still don't get why you unvoted so late..
Caught appeasing scum is caught.Irreversible wrote:
still don't get why you unvoted so late..
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?rEdo wrote:
so at first you were like against anything that Sakura said, started to shift between your statements, and now that she's claimed that she started to think that you're town, you've started to sheep to the wagons that she starts push? tsk, tsk. something doesn't seem right.DakeDekaane wrote:
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.
Unvote
Vote: Irreversible
Honestly, this doesn't really ping at me, he's just helping to clarify for someone else. I can't really read an ulterior motive from this.Royston wrote:
Um, I'm pretty sure he unvoted to avoid having kook at L-1. He said that in his post...
Yeah, as I've said, seems to be clarification imo. However, "I felt like I had to say something" seems a little oddly phrased, like "posting for the sake of posting" kind of way, which makes me slightly uncomfortable.Royston wrote:
To explain my thought process, I just finished reading Caligno's post saying he unvoted kook because he was afraid he was at L-1 and then I saw Irreversible ask why he unvoted kook. Well... I felt like I had to say something.
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XDJinxy wrote:
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
I have my reasons to askCalignoBot wrote:
How is his thoughts on his predecessor useful?
wut. For like 3/4 of that post you were saying Irreversible was acting really suspicious and you decide to unvote him and say he's getting town points? I don't get it.rEdo wrote:
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XDJinxy wrote:
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
elaborating: he's been picked on by Sakura until the end of page 11, where Royston voted himself, and that's where he started to be suspicious as hell in my eyes (p/2559420 pinged me like real hard, looks as if he was really relieved that he's clean from suspicion and immediately started sheeping to Sakura for a town-like read). apart from defending himself so boldly from a mere one vote, he also (after being asked for his reads) started to point his finger rather blatantly at Royston with a reason being him self-voting and defending Caligno for no particular reason. what worries me, though, Royston himself hasn't even responded to all of this, or rather, he responded with a mere "I felt like I had to say something".
Unvote
gotta rethink about stuff for now. good job Irreversible, you're getting town points :)
I'd like to read something more relevant from Royston now.
I was afraid Lilac was going to modkill me for being retarded (see rule 1) or something like that.Irreversible wrote:
still don't get why you unvoted so late..
YesCalignoBot wrote:
Are they going to be explained later?
Interesting catch there. Another thing thing I also noticed was rEdo's vote that placed kook on L-1 was also after Sakura talked about Saki liking to Quickhammer.Quotes wrote:
rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
Now I'm wondering o.oSakura wrote:
YesCalignoBot wrote:
Are they going to be explained later?
the silence you've mentioned already went off before the time I posted (please compare the date he got silenced and the date Sakura posted), and so I thought he's gonna post his thoughts the time he gets unsilenced. yes, it indeed was a risky move, but I was trying to literally force him to talk... well, he hasn't been amused to respond at all. the way he posted was rather itching, and even though I had the idea that this might have really been just a newbie's attempt to give us something to start from, I had no other suspects at that time, I tried to push him to talk - scum could also be just lurking, just like him. if one couldn't say anything that would help hunting scum, you would've accused him of being one, right? and that's what I did this case.Quotes wrote:
rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?Quotes wrote:
@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?
Because I was waiting for more people, including rEdo himself, to comment or explain on it.Quotes wrote:
@Jinxy, while I am glad that my preliminary vote on rEdo is interesting to you, you do nothing about it. Why?
Well, the time checks out. I think. Timezones and shit.rEdo wrote:
the silence you've mentioned already went off before the time I posted (please compare the date he got silenced and the date Sakura posted), and so I thought he's gonna post his thoughts the time he gets unsilenced. yes, it indeed was a risky move, but I was trying to literally force him to talk... well, he hasn't been amused to respond at all. the way he posted was rather itching, and even though I had the idea that this might have really been just a newbie's attempt to give us something to start from, I had no other suspects at that time, I tried to push him to talk - scum could also be just lurking, just like him. if one couldn't say anything that would help hunting scum, you would've accused him of being one, right? and that's what I did this case.
>I wasn't paying attention to the votesJinxy wrote:
I honestly wasn't paying attention to the votes due to the compulsory-unvote rule, so Cali's next post made me think that rEdo did put kook on L-1.
but, you see, L-1 wasn't even the case this time, yet he was pretty much basing on that. I also wanted to mention that I've already had kook in my scum suspects, and now that Quotes replaced him, and you immediately tag along his theories... meh. I won't be the scapegoat for scum, sorry.Jinxy wrote:
Like I said, Cali's next post and Quotes's observation
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?Either is blatant buddying or is trying to use Sakura's act of being the one leading the Irreversible push as a reason why HE is townie, both of which are scummy.
This is it. The closest that Sakura comes for the rest of the game is after Caligno posts an FOS on rEdo, she posts:Sakura wrote:
Yes I did, it has a reason and I'll explain after Irre's reply.rEdo wrote:
@Sakura: is "who's scum" a catch-phrase (since I saw people randomly using this a lot, even in this thread), or did you actually ask him who's scum?
Redirecting any possible pressure that would be placed on rEdo. Even now Sakura refuses to interact with rEdo as if she is afraid he'll say something stupid.Sakura wrote:
I'm actually thinking irreversible has higher chance of flipping scum, but i kind of feel bad because i have that feeling every game with him =/
Mostly trying to discredit me when I wasn't even attacking him, smells of chainsaw or WK.
Proceeds to tunnel kook's rolefishing and ignores all of rEdo's, which I will post about in great detail next!Sakura wrote:
In that case it makes it even MORE suspicious, no PR would give him/herself away this soon without heavy fire at them, consider that he started getting voted by other people after that statement, not before.
It's early in the day; some speculation on set up is understandable if there is nothing else to start discussion. Slight scumread on "oh man i REALLY hope they don't have a roleblocker" in the same vein of "damn the doctor died." Not a solid read but this isn't a pro-town post.rEdo wrote:
yup, they can narrow up to two possibilities: either {B, C, 1, 3} if they've got two Goons or {A, 2} if they've got a roleblocker, which I hope isn't the case this time. we have no idea what's the scenario, though, so I guess it would be safer to consider that they've got a roleblocker, just in case it's actually true.Royston wrote:
Keep in mind that mafia already has some knowledge of the setup, based on if they have a roleblocker or not.
Anti-town. Not necessarily scummy as my read on kook suggests but something to keep in mind.rEdo wrote:
kook's saying that these setups are boring could be a slight way to claim a role, you know. he could've wanted to narrow up the possible setups, in order for us to give hints about his role, so I wouldn't be that sure about suspecting him right away.
but yeah, I kinda question myself what would be the reason for that...
Sheeps Sakura's pressure on kook's rolefishing despite his last 2 posts coming off as slight apologies for what kook was posting. Wishy-washy implies very easily influenced townie or scum. Leans scum.rEdo wrote:
sounds interesting if that's how you think of it. I'd like to hear something from him first, though. kook, why did you think these two setups aren't likely to happen? are you really a PR, or just trying to cover up something you don't know?
FoS: kookookook
for some reason this makes me think that it's his way of saying "I'm not a Vanilla, I've got a PR". might've been overinterpretting things, though.[/quote]rEdo wrote:
This is still calling my attention. So I'm sticking to that vote.DakeDekaane wrote:
[quote="kookookook"I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
Is totally fine with then voting his PR lead and then with lynching him. "...or so I'd say if he wasn't lying" what the heck does this even mean? This is a horrendous post. Incredibly inconsistent with what his townie thoughts on the game would be and instead if hoping to take a pot shot at a villager speculating on set up in hopes he is a PR.rEdo wrote:
I don't know if he's town, it just looks like a slight newbie's play for claiming town with some role to me... or so I'd say if he wasn't lying.Sakura wrote:
EBWODP: he knows kookookook is town.ain't necessarily PR-hunting, I already said I wanna hear from him at first, and that way of talking is supposed to be a motivator for him to prove that he's not scum. I already mentioned he's a suspect to me, so if he won't talk, I'm okay with using a vote on him.CalignoBot wrote:
He's openly PR-hunting. Town doesn't want to do this at the very least on D1; even if they see something like this, making it public is very anti-town.
rEdo wrote:
now that was mean, Sakura :(
Irreversible and Sakura's fight besides...
Vote: kookookook
I'm kinda tired of him not talking at all. I'm certain I must've overinterpretted that so called "weird PR call". he either randomly dropped by, saying "this setups are boring XXDXDXD won't be plaid" and stopped playing the game, or he's unexperienced scum and he doesn't want to talk at all, despite being asked for it.
so at first you were like against anything that Sakura said, started to shift between your statements, and now that she's claimed that she started to think that you're town, you've started to sheep to the wagons that she starts push? tsk, tsk. something doesn't seem right.rEdo wrote:
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.DakeDekaane wrote:
[quote="Sakura"Hint: he's not town.
Pressing Irreversible is pro-town. Implying he is voting Royston out of following the Sakura wagon is hilariously hypocritical but not necessarily scummy. Believes Royston's action to be dumb town.rEdo wrote:
his vote is only temporary and has no real relevance nor connection with him being scum, as you just implied - he'll just change it when the right time comes.Irreversible wrote:
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
also, I do work for town - I wanna lynch scum, and with every post you just prove yourself being one more and more. is there a particular reason why you think Royston is scum, or just "a gut feeling"? or perhaps you're just following Sakura's wagon just to divert the attention from yourself?
Makes excuses for himself and his read with 0 pressure on him. Scummy.rEdo wrote:
just wanted to make it clear: at first his twist of statements seemed as mere confusion of his to me, but every further post started to ping me pretty hard he's scum, that's why I intervened just recently and started to pressure him.CalignoBot wrote:
(...) and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all (...)
Royston read stays consistent; Towny. Once again says "Sakura and I" and then Caligno is mentioned as sort of an add on. Fairly null outside of a bit of buddying to Sakura, can be read as just inflating how much pressure he personally has done.rEdo wrote:
Sakura and me, as we're pushing you quite hard and you started to say stuff like "I don't even care anymore", so yeahIrreversible wrote:
rEdo, who is 'us' ?CalignoBot apparently got active because your posts started to ping scum, as I've mentioned before, and that's what he's focusing on. he hasn't defended nor said a word about Royston (except for saying that he has no idea why Royston defended him). not sure about Roy's case, though, but he seems less scummy than you right now.Irreversible wrote:
There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
Zero indication of why he now thinks Irreversible is getting townpoints indicates scum just riding bandwagons and pressure, also slight buddying to allowing Sakura to control the tempo of the game and trusting her. Royston read semi-consistent but wants more content which is fair, does start to waver on Royston based on things that before made him think town, but it's done in a semi-authentic way imo. Avatar thing is fine.rEdo wrote:
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XDJinxy wrote:
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
elaborating: he's been picked on by Sakura until the end of page 11, where Royston voted himself, and that's where he started to be suspicious as hell in my eyes (https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2559420 pinged me like real hard, looks as if he was really relieved that he's clean from suspicion and immediately started sheeping to Sakura for a town-like read). apart from defending himself so boldly from a mere one vote, he also (after being asked for his reads) started to point his finger rather blatantly at Royston with a reason being him self-voting and defending Caligno for no particular reason. what worries me, though, Royston himself hasn't even responded to all of this, or rather, he responded with a mere "I felt like I had to say something".
Unvote
gotta rethink about stuff for now. good job Irreversible, you're getting town points :)
I'd like to read something more relevant from Royston now.
now that was mean :(Quotes wrote:
Redirecting any possible pressure that would be placed on rEdo. Even now Sakura refuses to interact with rEdo as if she is afraid he'll say something stupid.
the reason is simple - our scumsuspects were similar, and that's it. plus I tend to buddy up to people in my games :D if we both were scum, we wouldn't just blatantly duo-force people to talk, that would seem way too obvious for air-headed people like you, isn't that right? Sakura seems rather town to me, so I guessed it would be easier to say that she's hunting scum that actually defending myself, since you wouldn't believe me with this attitude anyway.Quotes wrote:
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
...Seriously? I thought it was obvious that I meant the votecount, since the extra requirement makes it harder to know which votes actually count. Who the heck doesn't notice bolded votes?Sakura wrote:
So you werent paying attention to the votes, yet you noticed that rEdo voted him (even tho it was L-2 and not L-1 vote)
Trying to explain away an anti-town tell with the classic "I always do that" excuse, I see.rEdo wrote:
plus I tend to buddy up to people in my games :D
Wait, what? This is pinging me. Someone else catches you being inconsistent, and you're calling him scummy for it?rEdo wrote:
I could also browse through [Quotes's] ISO thoroughly, but [he] just popped out of nowhere and picked a person which changed his opinions more than everybody else, which places me in a worse spot as a townie just in order to get an easy lynch today.
What's the TvS tell?Sakura wrote:
And yes i consider your interaction analisis almost as bad as the TvS tell.
not necessarily wagoning, I just wanted to clarify the fact that kook wasn't active at all, while giving me a gloomy feeling with his posts. that's why I'm forcing that statement, and that I'd like to hear why Quotes would not be scum. however, he has no real ISO except for accusing me, and that's rather frustrating that he can just mock people with a high possibility of being scum himself, and nobody can post anything against him. also, at the same time Quotes got into the game, Jinxy gave me a feeling of being way more confident in his posts, and that gave me even more of a gloomy feeling, hence my vote.Irreversible wrote:
Secondly, reDo, you're wagonning so much aren't you? You've just did it again. Mostly with Sakura as well, but I don't think you both would make it so suspicious. With your last post that kook isn't posting you've made yourself a bit more scumside, because you've mentioned him several times in your post, which shows me a kind of panic that people get their votes on you, while you try to put attention on kook.
learn2readSakura wrote:
And yes i consider your interaction analisis almost as bad as the TvS tell.
Two entire pages popped up while I was asleep and I'm never in a mood to catch up on that amount of posts until I've been awake for a few hours. If you're going to try to use that argument, take times into account.Irreversible wrote:
About Caligno: Why so quiet AGAIN?
Yeah, no. The amished tell only works when they're not told to give their thoughts.Sakura wrote:
Normally when people replace into scumslots tend to give some amished tell, which is why when people replace in I always ask them their thoughts on their predecessor.
The only difference that I can see is that I was lynchbait there.CalignoBot wrote:
You should be able to tell the difference between that situation and this one pretty easily.
This is WIFOM and incorrect at the same time. It is WIFOM because doing something because it is "too obvious" becomes an infinite cycle, where if the mafia believe they can appear town by doing it, they will. You are also incorrect because the manner in which you interact is so over the top in the buddying that it becomes a scummy parody of itself.rEdo wrote:
the reason is simple - our scumsuspects were similar, and that's it. plus I tend to buddy up to people in my games :D if we both were scum, we wouldn't just blatantly duo-force people to talk, that would seem way too obvious for air-headed people like you, isn't that right? Sakura seems rather town to me, so I guessed it would be easier to say that she's hunting scum that actually defending myself, since you wouldn't believe me with this attitude anyway.Quotes wrote:
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
about giving you a decent reason why I'm not scum - I've tried to make people who looked scummy in my eyes talk. my suspects were kook, recently Jinxy and Irreversible so far, and since I saw Sakura trying to make him talk, I didn't see a reason why I shouldn't tag along - pressure from even more people makes people more likely to talk. I have indeed buddied up to Sakura at that point, but that's the end to it. however, I haven't heard a single word from kook yet, which leaves me really unsatisfied. as for now I could say that Royston is also acting pretty weird, but it's not enough for me to make any accusiations, as right now I wanna push an another wagon anyway, and I believe I'm working in a good way.I've already noted that your making Irreversible talk was fairly pro-town.
like I said, I haven't heard a word from kook yet, and this is where I ask you the same question - please give me a reason why you aren't scum. that whole accusiation just pings me even harder that you've got potential to be scum. I could also browse through your ISO thoroughly, but you just popped out of nowhere and picked a person which changed his opinions more than everybody else, which places me in a worse spot as a townie just in order to get an easy lynch today.Me thinking you are scum does not make me scum. I've already called out the most active player (Sakura) on shit and will continue to do so, since everyone else but Caligno seems unwilling to do so. I posted the ISO on you because you stood out the most as the most obvious scum. The Sakura thing came later when I asked myself who would be your most likely partner. My posts have been spur of the moment and honest in my own estimation, although I can see if you have trouble seeing that I am being honest with calling you scum! I also apparently didn't fail whatever test Sakura was doing. I've explained most of my thoughts regarding lynches and on who I believe scum to be and have backed them up with evidence.
Sakura, I didn't know that I was voting for you. The only way that your argument holds weight is if you are the one that is lynched today. If rEdo is lynched and comes up town, you come off as neutral (it just means rEdo thought you were town, and either you were purposefully playing into his buddying or legitimately had a very strong town read on him or simply didnt notice a lack of pressure on your behalf). I have done very little to accuse you of being scum directly, I am just making the point that your interactions with rEdo have been incredibly weird and worth noting come day 2 if rEdo flips scum. I have no strong opinions on any of the other players in this regard since I have literally just subbed in.Sakura wrote:
It does, newbies arent bastard
Partner speculation early on will really hurt town in the long run, suppose you lynch me, I flip town then you're gonna say "So rEdo's scum for buddying her" suppose he flips town too, then you're at LyLo with zero info to go on and scumhunt, if someone flips scum then yes, their interactions are something to look at.
Otherwise looks like a nice way for scum to setup mislynches for others.
The fun fact, is that I've stated quite the opposite.Quotes wrote:
Please tell me why you think he is town
No.Sakura wrote:
The only difference that I can see is that I was lynchbait there.CalignoBot wrote:
You should be able to tell the difference between that situation and this one pretty easily.
FoS: QuotesrEdo wrote:
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?Quotes wrote:
@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?
It's admitting Quotes is correct, then trying to downplay it and turn it back onto its sender.rEdo wrote:
the reason is simple - our scumsuspects were similar, and that's it. plus I tend to buddy up to people in my games :D if we both were scum, we wouldn't just blatantly duo-force people to talk, that would seem way too obvious for air-headed people like you, isn't that right? Sakura seems rather town to me, so I guessed it would be easier to say that she's hunting scum that actually defending myself, since you wouldn't believe me with this attitude anyway.Quotes wrote:
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
It's true that rEdo always sticks with someone in every game I've played with him, but this one catches my attention as it seems more serious than in other games, which is more "sheeping for no reasons". Yeah, going with meta is somehow wrong, but it caught my attention.rEdo wrote:
the reason is simple - our scumsuspects were similar, and that's it.Quotes wrote:
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
Royston wrote:
I was afraid Lilac was going to modkill me for being retarded (see rule 1) or something like that.Irreversible wrote:
still don't get why you unvoted so late..
watIrreversible wrote:
Quote, if you write so much, why don't you just give your vote? seems quite unnecessary that you write tons of text with no action behind it. probably all reaction test, but yeah
Why is the question scummy? It's essentially the same question as "what are your thoughts on Sakura" with added pressure.CalignoBot wrote:
One thing in particular stood out while I was rereading rEdo.Quotes wrote:
@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?FoS: QuotesrEdo wrote:
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?
That question reeks. Really badly.
CalignoBot wrote:
One thing in particular stood out while I was rereading rEdo.Quotes wrote:
@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?FoS: QuotesrEdo wrote:
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?
That question reeks. Really badly.
Your original question has no basis onto it. It's essentially a loaded question.Quotes wrote:
Why is the question scummy? It's essentially the same question as "what are your thoughts on Sakura" with added pressure.
This is slimy as all hell. Quotes originally asked rEdo why Sakura was scum (despite rEdo never once detailing any sort of suspicion of that kind), then turned around his answer to state that he should have tried to detail why he himself was not scum in the second line of his response post. It's putting enough doubt on his intentions that I can't think he believes in what he says in the first line.Quotes wrote:
Either is blatant buddying or is trying to use Sakura's act of being the one leading the Irreversible push as a reason why HE is townie, both of which are scummy.
Why are you trying so hard to defeat the you/Sakura scumteam and defend Sakura instead of giving me a decent reason why YOU aren't scum?
For what reason are you asking this?Quotes wrote:
@irreversable, what do you think of rEdo and Sakura? Do you find either of them scummy? If you had to choose which one is MORE scummy out of the two, which would you choose and why?
I don't think you understood what I said. It's not the pressure itself, it's the way it was applied.Quotes wrote:
@caligno why do you have a problem with me placing pressure on a player when we only have, what, 2 days left? I do not see the harm in asking leading or loaded questions if these questions serve a purpose. They set from the outset that I probably had a fairly strong scum read on redo, am an aggressive player, and that simply sheeping along with other players isn't acceptable. They also set in some level of panic regardless of alliance and village panic vs mafia panic are often distinguishable
I'm not pressing you, i'm getting scum lynched.Quotes wrote:
@sakura, why have you backed off on pressing players? My being in the game does not mean that you should sit by and do nothing. Your post to vote for me adds nothing but numerical pressure to me, which differs from how you have played the rest of the game.
...No? The best way to show you're innocent is to show you're innocent, not tell people that you're innocent. Of course, you also heavily limited his ability to show his innocence by reducing his options of building a case to one other person.Quotes wrote:
To answer why someone is scum mixer than you, typically it is important to explain why you yourself are not scummy.