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Newbie #9 - Knock! Knock! Knock! (Game End)

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Amianki
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Amianki
I finally got off my lazy ass and read some things again.

Vote: Irreversible

Irreversible wrote:

Well Royston, you haven't posted anything useful, except that you were talking for CalignoBot, for whatever reason.

Sure Sakura, why don't we also discuss that you always want to put pressure on me so I get lynched for some silly reasons? Why are you so bothered by this 'discrediting' btw? It isn't meant to be this, it's a fact. I won't vote for anyone until I got some better reasons to do so. So Sakura, I'd like you to give some statements to some other players, except me. Thank you.

Irreversible wrote:

Royston wrote:

If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.

unvote
vote: Royston
Don't quite get that, if you were town, why would do something stupid like this?

Irreversible wrote:

Let's see how he's going to react further. FoS on Royston for now~
This is a classic example of pushing forward a wagon while trying not to leave a trail. He also has yet to vote this entire game. As an addition, he's sheeping one of my town reads pretty hard.

kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.

I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.

DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Irreversible
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Why is everyone crying about my not voting ?

If I wanted to push forward a wagon against Royston, I would've voted him, what I didn't do so far, because he didn't post much.
Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.

Vote: Royston I finally want to see him posting and reacting.
Amianki
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Irreversible wrote:

Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.
This is a misrep. My case isn't that you're attacking Royston. My case is the way you're attacking Royston. You're trying to further suspicion on him, but you're doing it in a way that's not truly taking a stance.

But okay, here's a few questions:

1. Is Royston's post about my post scummy?
2. What is your opinion on his self-vote?
3. What in general is your case on Royston? It's a bit late to vote only for a reaction without any basis to go on.
Amianki
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Amianki
Holding back votes in D1 is anti-town.
Irreversible
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1) I don't understand, what post about your post, what?
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.

If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
Sakura
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On the matter of voting, Mastin explains it very well here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2707177
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15895 here's a more condensed version of it if you dont like reading long text.
Irreversible
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I'm just impressed how much you want to talk about Royston, I've got a few questions for you as well.

1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
Sakura
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It's not about how much they post, but about the content on their posts and reading the intent behind them. You will notice when you start reading intent instead of the actual posts reading text walls becomes so much easier.
Amianki
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Amianki

Irreversible wrote:

1) I don't understand, what post about your post, what?
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.

If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
1. His response to your comment about me unvoting.
2. Okay, let me rephrase the question, then. Why does that make him more likely scum than town?
3. Your posts don't suggest that at all.

Irreversible wrote:

I'm just impressed how much you want to talk about Royston, I've got a few questions for you as well.

1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
1. This is a question I literally cannot answer.
2. I find it null. In my experience, actions like this are alignment-irrelevant.
3. KKK's posts on page 5 ping pretty hard. Look through my ISO for the rEdo case.
Royston
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The reason for my self-vote was simple. To facilitate discussion and conversation. I mean, it's worked, hasn't it?

It's true that there's also disadvantages for a self-vote in that it takes away focus from other people (who may potentially be scum). Though by the same token it can be risky for scum to do so, as it attracts unnecessary attention to themselves. Overall I wouldn't see it points to me being scum or town either way though, you could use WIFOM to argue either way.

Sakura wrote:

Hint: he's not town.
How confident are you in that?
DakeDekaane
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Sakura wrote:

Hint: he's not town.
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.
Jinxy
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Irreversible wrote:

2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
You're just sitting on the fence here. You don't think he would do that if he was town, and then you flip around and say you're not voting him because you don't think he's scum.
Jinxy
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Mod: have you got more Ratboy Genius yet

which is to say, votecount please
Irreversible
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Jinxy I guess you didn't catch that, I said : Why would I vote him if he was town?" Like, I suppose he's mafia, so i vote him.
rEdo
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DakeDekaane wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Hint: he's not town.
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.
so at first you were like against anything that Sakura said, started to shift between your statements, and now that she's claimed that she started to think ­that you're town, you've started to sheep to the wagons that she starts push? tsk, tsk. something doesn't seem right.

Unvote
Vote: Irreversible

also,

Mod: requesting for a replacement for kookookook. he's probably not gonna say anything that could help us, anyway. the only things he's done this game were some scumpings on page 5 and speculating the setup, saying two certain set-ups ain't gonna be used because they're "too boring".
Irreversible
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And you vote me because I wanna have scum lynched? Great that you work against us.
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
Sakura
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@Irreversible: Who's scum?
rEdo
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Irreversible wrote:

I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
his vote is only temporary and has no real relevance nor connection with him being scum, as you just implied - he'll just change it when the right time comes.

also, I do work for town - I wanna lynch scum, and with every post you just prove yourself being one more and more. is there a particular reason why you think Royston is scum, or just "a gut feeling"? or perhaps you're just following Sakura's wagon just to divert the attention from yourself?
rEdo
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@Sakura: is "who's scum" a catch-phrase (since I saw people randomly using this a lot, even in this thread), or did you actually ask him who's scum?
Sakura
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Don't you guys think Irre is being awfully defensive for someone with just 2 votes on him.
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rEdo wrote:

@Sakura: is "who's scum" a catch-phrase (since I saw people randomly using this a lot, even in this thread), or did you actually ask him who's scum?
Yes I did, it has a reason and I'll explain after Irre's reply.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
well, go on voting me can't be bothered anymore orz
Amianki
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Amianki
Yeeeeeeah, this string of responses looks more scum-motivated than town-motivated.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Yeeeeeeeeeeah, well, you've already voted for me, I'm waiting for more.
rEdo
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it's not us trying to be mean, but you just simply change your mind way too often for a game like this. sorry, but you won't achieve anything by acting all emo and ignoring our questions, as that will just prove you scum even further.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Well, what should I do? It's always the same, I can't come out of those situations xD
Amianki
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Vote: Irreversible
rEdo
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p/2559649
p/2561420

you'll make Lilac mad, nuh-huh~

Mod: call in the Ratboy Genius
Sakura
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The reason I asked was because if you're under fire you can find scum more easily, when you're town that is.
Irre is not outing what he thinks because it would out his scum partner.

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Vote: Irreversible
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Irreversible
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Alright, then let's analyse things a bit further.

Royston wrote:

Well, I can offer moral support.
What an answer, why can't you offer us some real support? Well, there must be a reason that you aren't talking.

[quote="Royston]unvote
vote: Royston[/quote]

Well, I'm still questioning what this was good for, since I don't think this is only for 'talking-stuff'. Were you panicking?

[quote="SenaSaki":1337]catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly

Where is your catching up post? I'm waiting, to see what you think about all this stuff happening.

Probably the most important thing for now:

CalignoBot wrote:

I finally got off my lazy ass and read some things again.

Vote: Irreversible

This is a classic example of pushing forward a wagon while trying not to leave a trail. He also has yet to vote this entire game. As an addition, he's sheeping one of my town reads pretty hard.

kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.

I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.

DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Well Caligno, you were pushing forward a wagon as well. But the special thing here is, that you've done this, because I was putting pressure on Royston, so you had to put some pressure on me as well, to get rid of the attention of Royston.

Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?

I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.

Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot

Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
Irreversible
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Irreversible
eh.. dunno what happened to the quoting before -_-
Sakura
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2 Things.
1: CalignoBot if anything gets town points for helping with reaction testing (he actually never moved his vote off you), but it seems you noticed mine was a fakehammer so whatever.
2: Why are you trying to associate Royston and CalignoBot without any flips?
Irreversible
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1) Not sure if this question is asked toward me, since I don't quite get it again, I'm terribly sorry for that LOL
2) I associated them together since Royston tried to defend him, (he was answering for him). It was definetly no need there, so the question is why he's done that. I guess that he wanted to put attention on him, but yeah, that failed I suppose.
Sakura
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Again, why are you making associations without a flip? and Royston defended who? Royston if anything has been martyrized.
Amianki
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Amianki
I revoted for shiggles.
Irreversible
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How, without a flip? He tried to talk for Caligno, and I'm still wondering why, it seems like panicking because I asked Caligno why he unvoted kookook all of a sudden. But there was no need to panic since it was a normal question \: But Royston isn't posting anything, and since Caligno voted me after I voted Royston as well, i suppose he's trying to get rid off me, because I voted for Royston. That's it
Amianki
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Irreversible wrote:

Well Caligno, you were pushing forward a wagon as well. But the special thing here is, that you've done this, because I was putting pressure on Royston, so you had to put some pressure on me as well, to get rid of the attention of Royston.

Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?

I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.

Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot

Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
Your first paragraph is a huge stretch.

The second one doesn't make much sense either. I've seen both town and mafia do this sort of thing, and I have yet to see any significant divergence in the way it's done that indicates alignment. That's sufficient enough for me to disregard it as a town- or scum-tell entirely.

Your third paragraph is just completely wrong. When I initially voted you, Sakura had more of a town than scum opinion of you and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all. The second vote, as stated before, was pretty much meaningless.
Amianki
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And as for my activity, I don't see anything strange about it.
rEdo
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CalignoBot wrote:

(...) and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all (...)
just wanted to make it clear: at first his twist of statements seemed as mere confusion of his to me, but every further post started to ping me pretty hard he's scum, that's why I intervened just recently and started to pressure him.
Irreversible
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I'm not scum, that's all I have to say, if you wanna get rid of me, fine, but that's what only mafia want - get rid of townies.
Sakura
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You aren't doing anything town tho, so why should I believe you?
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I try my best to hunt scum, because I didn't really know that I really have to put my vote on day 1 etc, yet I try my best to do that now. The main reason i didn't vote was only that i didn't want to rush things, and consider some more points, but well, I was wrong.
Irreversible
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rEdo wrote:

it's not us trying to be mean
rEdo, who is 'us' ?
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rEdo wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
his vote is only temporary and has no real relevance nor connection with him being scum, as you just implied - he'll just change it when the right time comes.

also, I do work for town - I wanna lynch scum, and with every post you just prove yourself being one more and more. is there a particular reason why you think Royston is scum, or just "a gut feeling"? or perhaps you're just following Sakura's wagon just to divert the attention from yourself?
And sorry that i missed this question, i actually didn't see it, too many things at once.

There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
rEdo
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Irreversible wrote:

rEdo, who is 'us' ?
Sakura and me, as we're pushing you quite hard and you started to say stuff like "I don't even care anymore", so yeah >:(

Irreversible wrote:

There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
CalignoBot apparently got active because your posts started to ping scum, as I've mentioned before, and that's what he's focusing on. he hasn't defended nor said a word about Royston (except for saying that he has no idea why Royston defended him). not sure about Roy's case, though, but he seems less scummy than you right now.
Amianki
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I tend to get really lazy when I commit to rereading the entire game or looking into every single player in the game.
Irreversible
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What did you expect me to say reDo? <.<

Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
rEdo
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Irreversible wrote:

Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
I might as well say that you're trying to put putting WAY TOO MUCH attention on him.
Irreversible
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Well, should I put attention on Sakura, you, dake, kookook, whoever? Nevertheless, i'm trying to show you that calignobot and royston MIGHT be scum, but yeah, nobodys believing me. This is so helpless, well it's my third game now. once i get a vote it seems like everyone wants to vote me. this sucks.
Sakura
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Unvote

Guys, I'm not sensing any scum motivation behind his posts, I think he's more likely to be frustrated townie, he seems to really want to help scumhunt (I put a link that's a guide to scumhunting earlier which you could read Irre) but more clueless about it.

P-Edit: So this is interesting, why do you think it's CalignoBot?
Irreversible
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Oh, and please don't tell me i'm acting defensive, which makes me even more scumlike. obviously it lacks experience here, i've read some guides as well, but yeah, seems like i should do everything right from begin on, what didn't happen again, so.. yeah
Sakura
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So here's the thing, I'm gonna copy something from mastin and tell you then.

There's 2 out of 9 scum in this game = 22,2%, remove yourself since you know yourself to be town it's 2 out of 8 = 25%, Now let's say add in 1 or 2 townreads that you've managed to get via interaction that makes it 2 out of 6 = 33,3% that's very well damn worth voting and start getting making your own personal investigation.

If it's better for you start by townhunting until you get 1 or 2 townreads, then start scumhunting the rest.
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It's funny how nearly all mafias i play in turn into a tutorial.. eh :x

Well, all the things I say tend to be wrong, said by him, he's not bothered by his activity as well. He seems desinteressed by our votes against him, because most of the votes are currently on me, so he hasn't to be scared of anything.. if he can prove that he's not scum, well then let's see further tomorrow, i'm going to sleep now.
Irreversible
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ehh. with our votes i mean my vote * (second sentence)
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Irreversible wrote:

It's funny how nearly all mafias i play in turn into a tutorial.. eh :x
It's a newbie game, deal with it :P
Irreversible
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must be annoying to read my silly stuff, well. xD
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To explain my thought process, I just finished reading Caligno's post saying he unvoted kook because he was afraid he was at L-1 and then I saw Irreversible ask why he unvoted kook. Well... I felt like I had to say something. :P
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Unvote
Vote: Royston
Lilac
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I'll do a votecount when I get home. There WILL be more Ratboy Genius, Mod gonna deliver to ya.

Sephibro has asked to replace kook but Quotes was kinda first on the mark so I'll ask him first. For now, keep playing.
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Royston wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Hint: he's not town.
How confident are you in that?
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Royston wrote:

How confident are you in that?
[/quote]

83%
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trust your 17%
Sakura
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now it's 90%
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Votecount 1.2:

Did I mention that if majority isn't reached, no lynch will happen? Well, I'm telling you that now. Also, I'm extending the deadline until kook gets a replacement. Thanks.

Royston (3) - kook, Royston, Sakura
Irreversible (2) - rEdo, Caligno
Sakura (1) - SenaSaki
kookookook (1) - Dake
CalignoBot (1) - Irreversible

Tell me if I got that wrong.
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Royston
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I believe Irreversible has a vote on Caligno, not me.

Also kook is still voting for me I think
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Quotes has been PM'd to try and replace...kook. Otherwise Sephi is taking it.

Also, Royston. Stop asking for more votes on yourself, that really shits me.
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unvote
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still don't get why you unvoted so late..
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Irreversible wrote:

still don't get why you unvoted so late..
Caught appeasing scum is caught.
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Unvote: Irreversible
Vote: Royston

Yeah, these last few posts of his have a really slimy feel to them.
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rEdo wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.
so at first you were like against anything that Sakura said, started to shift between your statements, and now that she's claimed that she started to think ­that you're town, you've started to sheep to the wagons that she starts push? tsk, tsk. something doesn't seem right.

Unvote
Vote: Irreversible
I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?


Honestly, I'm still not sure about the whole Royston thing. Some of his stuff are pinging a little, but I don't agree with you guys on a few of the other stuff.

Royston wrote:

Um, I'm pretty sure he unvoted to avoid having kook at L-1. He said that in his post...
Honestly, this doesn't really ping at me, he's just helping to clarify for someone else. I can't really read an ulterior motive from this.

The self-vote is a can of worms I don't know how to deal with nor do I really want to. His self-vote was unprovoked, but then his explanation, while logical, does completely skip around his "pressure" line before the self-vote. I really don't know what to think of this.

Royston wrote:

To explain my thought process, I just finished reading Caligno's post saying he unvoted kook because he was afraid he was at L-1 and then I saw Irreversible ask why he unvoted kook. Well... I felt like I had to say something. :P
Yeah, as I've said, seems to be clarification imo. However, "I felt like I had to say something" seems a little oddly phrased, like "posting for the sake of posting" kind of way, which makes me slightly uncomfortable.
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Maybe I should change my avatar a bit, but it's clear rEdo is talking about Irre there, as I haven't sheeped Sakura in any moment.

The deadline is near I think, so I'll unvote until the vote count as it seems you're focusing on Royston instead kook.

Prod dodge, whee.
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Jinxy wrote:

I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XD

elaborating: he's been picked on by Sakura until the end of page 11, where Royston voted himself, and that's where he started to be suspicious as hell in my eyes (p/2559420 pinged me like real hard, looks as if he was really relieved that he's clean from suspicion and immediately started sheeping to Sakura for a town-like read). apart from defending himself so boldly from a mere one vote, he also (after being asked for his reads) started to point his finger rather blatantly at Royston with a reason being him self-voting and defending Caligno for no particular reason. what worries me, though, Royston himself hasn't even responded to all of this, or rather, he responded with a mere "I felt like I had to say something".

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gotta rethink about stuff for now. good job Irreversible, you're getting town points :­)
I'd like to read something more relevant from Royston now.
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Quotes replaces kook, effective immediately.

Deadline has been extended to end 2 or 3 days from now.
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Caligno, is it true that you just vote that you voted? It seems like this, because lately you just post your vote, and 1-2 sentences, that's it.
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Yeah I tend to do that.
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Welcome Quotes, please catch up and give us your thoughts and reads please.

I'd also like your thoughts on your predecessor.
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How is his thoughts on his predecessor useful?
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"My previous self seemed scummy. We should probably vote for- oh, wait."
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CalignoBot wrote:

How is his thoughts on his predecessor useful?
I have my reasons to ask
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Are they going to be explained later?
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rEdo wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

I just noticed this, page 13. rEdo's talking about Dake, but then turns around and votes Irre? Like, no one has talked about this as far as I know?
ahaha, these goddamn avatars, I was sure it's Irreversible's post, thus started talking to him immediately XD

elaborating: he's been picked on by Sakura until the end of page 11, where Royston voted himself, and that's where he started to be suspicious as hell in my eyes (p/2559420 pinged me like real hard, looks as if he was really relieved that he's clean from suspicion and immediately started sheeping to Sakura for a town-like read). apart from defending himself so boldly from a mere one vote, he also (after being asked for his reads) started to point his finger rather blatantly at Royston with a reason being him self-voting and defending Caligno for no particular reason. what worries me, though, Royston himself hasn't even responded to all of this, or rather, he responded with a mere "I felt like I had to say something".

Unvote

gotta rethink about stuff for now. good job Irreversible, you're getting town points :­)
I'd like to read something more relevant from Royston now.
wut. For like 3/4 of that post you were saying Irreversible was acting really suspicious and you decide to unvote him and say he's getting town points? I don't get it.

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still don't get why you unvoted so late..
I was afraid Lilac was going to modkill me for being retarded (see rule 1) or something like that.
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CalignoBot wrote:

Are they going to be explained later?
Yes
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Hi all!

Gave the thread a cursory glance this morning, thought I would have time to do more formal reads now but I don't. Expect a good amount of stuff from me in 10 hours.
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Nevermind, homework can be done in the morning.

At the moment I've glanced through everything once, and on my second go-through with a bit more reading, I'm currently at I think 11 pages in. I'll have a better post in 9 hours or so but I wanted something down before I went to sleep.

My first thought is holy fuck why is no one voting for rEdo

Vote: rEdo

rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.

Does anyone know how to iso on this forum? Is there an easy way to search for posts by user? I had to search in the bottom bar for "rEdo" and had to search through everyone who said his name, which is annoying. I just want his posts iso'd and clicking on the username just takes me to their osu profile.

@Sakura, I think the person I subbed in for was trying to generate discussion and generally doesn't know what to look for in scumhunting. The ruling out of B and 1 is consistent with his "boring" claim considering they are the two set ups with nilla village/nilla scum. While counter-productive and can lead to easy rolefishing for scum, the manner in which he did it read honest and town and I really don't understand why the wagon on him lasted as long as it did. Half the day seems wasted talking about what the heck an IIoA is rather than actually scumhunting. Thanks, Obama Sakura.

Any more questions for me to answer and I'm happy to do so. I'll do another quick scan before sleeping to see if anyone wanted me to answer anything else.
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Nope, didn't see anything else.

rEdo/Sakura scumteam heard it here first.

Night!
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ISOs: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2563120

Quotes wrote:

rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
Interesting catch there. Another thing thing I also noticed was rEdo's vote that placed kook on L-1 was also after Sakura talked about Saki liking to Quickhammer.
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And speaking of Saki

Prod Saki again, last post 3 days ago
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Sakura wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Are they going to be explained later?
Yes
Now I'm wondering o.o
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@Quotes, can you list up some of the RVS? I'm interested which you think have been voted randomly.
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Normally when people replace into scumslots tend to give some amished tell, which is why when people replace in I always ask them their thoughts on their predecessor.
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@Jinxy, while I am glad that my preliminary vote on rEdo is interesting to you, you do nothing about it. Why?

@IrreversibleI was referring more to the general idea of the Random Voting Stage than any particular votes. Every game (for the most part) starts with some people voting for reasons that are far from the most persuasive, but they get people talking.

@Sakura, what do you mean by an Amished tell?

@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?
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Quotes wrote:

rEdo knowingly jumps onto a bandwagon when it has been very obvious - as well as stated in-thread through the screen cap of kook being idle from some silence from his avatar - that kook isn't going to reply any time soon, or will simply not respond to any post of his in any meaningful way and puts him at L-1. This reeks scum to me. Virtually everything else outside of early RVS looks like either it's speculating on set up or speculating on why the person I subbed in for speculated on set up.
the silence you've mentioned already went off before the time I posted (please compare the date he got silenced and the date Sakura posted), and so I thought he's gonna post his thoughts the time he gets unsilenced. yes, it indeed was a risky move, but I was trying to literally force him to talk... well, he hasn't been amused to respond at all. the way he posted was rather itching, and even though I had the idea that this might have really been just a newbie's attempt to give us something to start from, I had no other suspects at that time, I tried to push him to talk - scum could also be just lurking, just like him. if one couldn't say anything that would help hunting scum, you would've accused him of being one, right? and that's what I did this case.

Quotes wrote:

@rEdo, why should I vote for Sakura instead of you?
there's no reason why you should vote for either Sakura or me. Sakura has been trying to push people under the wall in order to force them to talk, and that's what I also tried to make kook talk. we also pushed Irreversible to make him talk, and look, that actually worked since he stated his thoughts about this game so far. that rEdo/Sakura scumteam you've mentioned wouldn't so blatantly push the same person at the same time, don't you think?
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Quotes wrote:

@Jinxy, while I am glad that my preliminary vote on rEdo is interesting to you, you do nothing about it. Why?
Because I was waiting for more people, including rEdo himself, to comment or explain on it.

rEdo wrote:

the silence you've mentioned already went off before the time I posted (please compare the date he got silenced and the date Sakura posted), and so I thought he's gonna post his thoughts the time he gets unsilenced. yes, it indeed was a risky move, but I was trying to literally force him to talk... well, he hasn't been amused to respond at all. the way he posted was rather itching, and even though I had the idea that this might have really been just a newbie's attempt to give us something to start from, I had no other suspects at that time, I tried to push him to talk - scum could also be just lurking, just like him. if one couldn't say anything that would help hunting scum, you would've accused him of being one, right? and that's what I did this case.
Well, the time checks out. I think. Timezones and shit.

However, there was no way your "forcing" would have worked. Your vote put him on L-1 and after Sakura talked about Seki Saki's tendencies, there was no way anyone would leave kkk on L-1. You could have been gambling on Saki posting and hammering, which I find possible, since the next post (Cali's unvote) was 13 hours later if I'm counting correctly. I don't quite buy your explanation.]
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I'm p. sure I had voted somewhere else before rEdo put his vote, otherwise I'd have given an L-1 warning since rEdo didnt.

Also when I posted the screenshot the silence was already over (notice how there's no "person cannot speak for another X hours/minutes/stuff")
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I moved my vote from kookookook to Irreversible here: p/2555851 Leaving kookookook at L-3

rEdo votes kookookook here: p/2557144 Putting him back at L-2, this is way many pages after I mentioned the Saki issue and like a page or so after I mentioned the silence.

Seems to me here like someone's twisting the facts, or simply didnt read the thread well enough.

FoS: Quotes
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Oh wait, it was Jinxy who brought that up.

FoS: Jinxy instead.
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I honestly wasn't paying attention to the votes due to the compulsory-unvote rule, so Cali's next post made me think that rEdo did put kook on L-1.

Also, it doesn't matter when you said the Saki issue, if rEdo was scum, he could have just remembered it then and tried his luck, is what I was thinking.
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Jinxy wrote:

I honestly wasn't paying attention to the votes due to the compulsory-unvote rule, so Cali's next post made me think that rEdo did put kook on L-1.
>I wasn't paying attention to the votes
>Another thing I also noticed was rEdo's vote that placed kook on L-1 was also after Sakura talked about Saki liking to Quickhammer

are you for real now? that's an accusation taken from the air.
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Like I said, Cali's next post and Quotes's observation
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