for some reason this makes me think that it's his way of saying "I'm not a Vanilla, I've got a PR". might've been overinterpretting things, though.DakeDekaane wrote:
This is still calling my attention. So I'm sticking to that vote.kookookook wrote:
I think it'll not be 1 or B as these set-ups are too boring.
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nuuu don't prod me.
I promise not to quickhammer, too.
I promise not to quickhammer, too.
I'm actually thinking irreversible has higher chance of flipping scum, but i kind of feel bad because i have that feeling every game with him =/
Mostly trying to discredit me when I wasn't even attacking him, smells of chainsaw or WK.
Mostly trying to discredit me when I wasn't even attacking him, smells of chainsaw or WK.
Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?Irreversible wrote:
Never said I don't think he's not scum, and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.
Irreversible wrote:
@Dake, a silly vote for kookook because he wanted to make a reaction test? are there any other reasons, or did your mind change?
This part isn't quite reading right to me for some reason. Like, he considers votes on kook "silly", and then tries to back out of Sakura's interpretation that he thinks kook isn't scum, a bit too defensively.Irreversible wrote:
Never said I don't think [kookookook is] not scum. (Double negative?)
What's WK, by the way?
Rephrase: He considers Dake's vote on kook silly, not just any vote on kook
WK = White knighting, when scum protect a townie for town cred, kinda like buddying taken to the extreme.
Please tell me you two see what's wrong with rEdo's statement.
He's trying to rolefish? that's all I see, either that or he's implying he knows kookookook is scum.
EBWODP: he knows kookookook is town.
He's openly PR-hunting. Town doesn't want to do this at the very least on D1; even if they see something like this, making it public is very anti-town.
I don't know if he's town, it just looks like a slight newbie's play for claiming town with some role to me... or so I'd say if he wasn't lying.Sakura wrote:
EBWODP: he knows kookookook is town.
ain't necessarily PR-hunting, I already said I wanna hear from him at first, and that way of talking is supposed to be a motivator for him to prove that he's not scum. I already mentioned he's a suspect to me, so if he won't talk, I'm okay with using a vote on him.CalignoBot wrote:
He's openly PR-hunting. Town doesn't want to do this at the very least on D1; even if they see something like this, making it public is very anti-town.
Guess this explains why he hasnt posted.
Sorry for inactivity. I don't really have anything to add. I suck at D1, sorry.
At least try to do something?Royston wrote:
Sorry for inactivity. I don't really have anything to add. I suck at D1, sorry.
If you're not gonna play I rather you replace out, I don't like people that sit down and do nothing.
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
@Jinxy: Could you rephrase "Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?" ? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me.
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
@Jinxy: Could you rephrase "Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?" ? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me.
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
So first i'm inventing, now I'm biased, how much else are you gonna pull to discredit me?Irreversible wrote:
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
And what are you doing to find out whether he is scum or not?Irreversible wrote:
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
Irreversible wrote:
@Jinxy: Could you rephrase "Wait, you agree that wagoning helps generate reactions and then flip around and say the stances taken after wagon don't do anything?" ? I don't really understand what you're trying to ask me.
Basically, you say Sakura has a good point that wagoning generates reactions, then you say that Sakura was just "inventing" the idea that people being forced to take a stance will make it harder for scum to hide. These two parts don't mesh at all, taking a stance is a reaction.Irreversible wrote:
and yeah good point with the wagonning. Then go on working with things you've just invented (the scum part), if it'll help you, why not.
Try to feel how I do, I don't discredit you at all, it's just quite annoying that it doesn't matter at all what I write, I'm the bad one for you.... but yeah, just do what ever you want, I shouldn't go on discussing about it, since you'll surely use this against me at one point for sure. Sorry for that I think like this, but yeah.Sakura wrote:
So first i'm inventing, now I'm biased, how much else are you gonna pull to discredit me?Irreversible wrote:
Sakura, it doesn't matter what I say, you always attack me immediately, and try to get me out. It has nearly always been like this. Either I say, he's scum, i get voted by you, he's not scum, i get voted by you, it just doesn't matter at all.
For your other question, I'm waiting until the others post, since I don't wanna focus on kookook only, although it would be helpful to know what he thinks about all this.
@Jinxy: It is a good idea to get reactions, but at the end everything is like "OMG THIS IS SO SUSPICIOUS", the people get voted, all others 'wagon' as well, and that's it.
And please don't tell me it's wrong now to wait until the others post. It's just the activity, since not many people are posting frequently.Sakura wrote:
And what are you doing to find out whether he is scum or not?Irreversible wrote:
With my statement "I've never said kook is not scum' I just wanted to say, that i don't know if he's scum or not yet, that's all, lol.
It's not wrong to wait until others post, but so far you've done a big bunch of nothing in terms of scumhunting.
Hope these help you get started, they are quite good guides.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19001
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19001
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932
now that was mean, Sakura :(
Irreversible and Sakura's fight besides...
Vote: kookookook
I'm kinda tired of him not talking at all. I'm certain I must've overinterpretted that so called "weird PR call". he either randomly dropped by, saying "this setups are boring XXDXDXD won't be plaid" and stopped playing the game, or he's unexperienced scum and he doesn't want to talk at all, despite being asked for it.
Irreversible and Sakura's fight besides...
Vote: kookookook
I'm kinda tired of him not talking at all. I'm certain I must've overinterpretted that so called "weird PR call". he either randomly dropped by, saying "this setups are boring XXDXDXD won't be plaid" and stopped playing the game, or he's unexperienced scum and he doesn't want to talk at all, despite being asked for it.
Unvote: kookookook
Hold on a sec. I gotta think through a couple things.
Also don't want to risk a lynch since I believe KKK was at L-1.
Hold on a sec. I gotta think through a couple things.
Also don't want to risk a lynch since I believe KKK was at L-1.
Hey, Sakura vs Irre, again~
I think we should wait, if he doesn't post, then we could lynch him.
That was a risky move rEdo, but the fact that he doesn't even trying to defend himself is worrying me a bit.
@Irre, who would you focus on besides kook?
I think we should wait, if he doesn't post, then we could lynch him.
That was a risky move rEdo, but the fact that he doesn't even trying to defend himself is worrying me a bit.
@Irre, who would you focus on besides kook?
Topic Starter
Oh yeah, prodded 4 people by the way, votecount will happen soon when I've got more Ratboy Genius.
CalignoBot, this unvote happens really all of a sudden, doesn't it? Couldn't you think about this earlier instead of vote so early?
@Dake: ^ Should answer your question
@Dake: ^ Should answer your question
Um, I'm pretty sure he unvoted to avoid having kook at L-1. He said that in his post...
Nope, if my count is right he's at 2 votes right now. I changed my vote to Irreversible earlier, whch is why i think rEdo voted since it wouldnt put him at L-1 anymore.
kookookook is being useless atm because he's not posting, imo he's going to be a liability for town no matter what and should be lynched anyway, he had a 48 hours silence during which he couldn't post but after that he still hasn't posted, he's been prodded I assume and probably eventually replaced out, if it happens then we may get a deadline extension, so I guess it should be better to let the slot be for the time being.
While that happens let's discuss Irreversible's reactions towards kookookook's wagon and his discrediting me.
kookookook is being useless atm because he's not posting, imo he's going to be a liability for town no matter what and should be lynched anyway, he had a 48 hours silence during which he couldn't post but after that he still hasn't posted, he's been prodded I assume and probably eventually replaced out, if it happens then we may get a deadline extension, so I guess it should be better to let the slot be for the time being.
While that happens let's discuss Irreversible's reactions towards kookookook's wagon and his discrediting me.
< was prodded sharply in the side. That hurts~
Anyhow, I really don't think a lot of the discussion right now is holding ground.
It might just be the avatars and pink background that doesn't make me take people seriously.
But the game's moving slowly. There's accusations of 'rolefishing' and 'misrep' but I don't quite see how that is going to lead to anything.
Especially if people haven't taken pressure yet.
Ugh
I'll try to get into this game soon with a VA-style readslist or something
just wait
btw what's the equivalent of an ISO on this forum
Anyhow, I really don't think a lot of the discussion right now is holding ground.
It might just be the avatars and pink background that doesn't make me take people seriously.
But the game's moving slowly. There's accusations of 'rolefishing' and 'misrep' but I don't quite see how that is going to lead to anything.
Especially if people haven't taken pressure yet.
Ugh
I'll try to get into this game soon with a VA-style readslist or something
just wait
btw what's the equivalent of an ISO on this forum
^
As an add to that post, take in mind ISOs here come in reverse order (latest post first).
As an add to that post, take in mind ISOs here come in reverse order (latest post first).
Well Royston, you haven't posted anything useful, except that you were talking for CalignoBot, for whatever reason.
Sure Sakura, why don't we also discuss that you always want to put pressure on me so I get lynched for some silly reasons? Why are you so bothered by this 'discrediting' btw? It isn't meant to be this, it's a fact. I won't vote for anyone until I got some better reasons to do so. So Sakura, I'd like you to give some statements to some other players, except me. Thank you.
Sure Sakura, why don't we also discuss that you always want to put pressure on me so I get lynched for some silly reasons? Why are you so bothered by this 'discrediting' btw? It isn't meant to be this, it's a fact. I won't vote for anyone until I got some better reasons to do so. So Sakura, I'd like you to give some statements to some other players, except me. Thank you.
I put pressure on you yes, whether you're scum or not it depends on how you react to it.
How do you expect me to give statements on people that haven't posted? If you want my opinion Royston needs more pressure, He's just fencesitting there.
No one but you and kook have done possible alignment related stuff, tho Saki's worry about the inactivity and doing nothing about it is bothersome.
You discrediting me worries me because that's what scum do.
How do you expect me to give statements on people that haven't posted? If you want my opinion Royston needs more pressure, He's just fencesitting there.
No one but you and kook have done possible alignment related stuff, tho Saki's worry about the inactivity and doing nothing about it is bothersome.
You discrediting me worries me because that's what scum do.
I'm not the same person you played with before tho, I have about 10+ games under my belt, If you're town, show it to me, with your actions, you guys keeping this game in inactivity isn't helping, Royston doesn't want to be helpful at all but he's being transparent and that is kind of what's conflicting in my read of him.
-_- not going to write anything again about the pressure thing, I'm annoyed, since it doesn't depend at all. How would you like to react me? If i react offensive, i get marked as scum and it ends as an omgus, if i act defensely, i get also marked as a scum, because i don't want to get lynched, and this is what you don't understand.
I can also say you're pretending to scumhunt, because you're scum yourself, what do you think about that? Yet i'm not instantly going to vote you since i don't have any reasons to do this.
I can also say you're pretending to scumhunt, because you're scum yourself, what do you think about that? Yet i'm not instantly going to vote you since i don't have any reasons to do this.
Sakura, what the hell should I ask inactive people, I just can't ask them questions like 'WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS AND THAT", because no one is actually posting something useful. I thought it a bit weird that royston is answering for calignobot, but nobody cares, so should I instantly give up?
Unvote
Vote: kookookook
See that wasnt too hard no was it.
I read frustration and Paranoia in your last 2 posts, that's not a scum feeling, that's a town feeling.
Vote: kookookook
See that wasnt too hard no was it.
I read frustration and Paranoia in your last 2 posts, that's not a scum feeling, that's a town feeling.
Now on to actually adressing your questions.
Yes do ask inactive people questions if they keep being inactive and dont reply then you have a reason to vote them for ignoring your questions. Or you might also inquiry the people that ARE active in here, but you not asking questions isnt going to make scum magically pop out of nowhere and idk why people seem to think that because others are inactive it's ok to be inactive for them as well.
Yes do ask inactive people questions if they keep being inactive and dont reply then you have a reason to vote them for ignoring your questions. Or you might also inquiry the people that ARE active in here, but you not asking questions isnt going to make scum magically pop out of nowhere and idk why people seem to think that because others are inactive it's ok to be inactive for them as well.
@Irre: you should answer my question first, about my answer, I'll keep it as a secret for now and maybe reveal it later if my thoughts are correct.
But I'm also curious about rEdo, but I have nothing to ask him atm.
Mod: Votecount request
But I'm also curious about rEdo, but I have nothing to ask him atm.
Mod: Votecount request
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston
unvote
vote: Royston
Sakura wrote:
I'm not the same person you played with before tho, I have about 10+ games under my belt
catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly
What do you mean with that Sakura, you seem pretty much the same o.o
So what is the town motivation behind this again?Royston wrote:
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston
I've probably improved at reading people (or not, that's still up for debate) that's what I mean. If you're town I'll probably notice one way or another, but for now that other post of yours seems townish to me, so i'm giving you the benefit of doubt, as i'm not sure to what extend you'd fake emotions or if you're even able to fake them at all.Irreversible wrote:
What do you mean with that Sakura, you seem pretty much the same o.o
Don't quite get that, if you were town, why would do something stupid like this?Royston wrote:
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston
Hint: he's not town.Irreversible wrote:
if you were town
Unvote
Vote: Royston
No one has even added pressure to him and he's already pre-emptively defending. That's quite the overreaction over my comment.
Let's see how he's going to react further. FoS on Royston for now~
I finally got off my lazy ass and read some things again.
Vote: Irreversible
kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.
I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.
DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Vote: Irreversible
Irreversible wrote:
Well Royston, you haven't posted anything useful, except that you were talking for CalignoBot, for whatever reason.
Sure Sakura, why don't we also discuss that you always want to put pressure on me so I get lynched for some silly reasons? Why are you so bothered by this 'discrediting' btw? It isn't meant to be this, it's a fact. I won't vote for anyone until I got some better reasons to do so. So Sakura, I'd like you to give some statements to some other players, except me. Thank you.
Irreversible wrote:
Don't quite get that, if you were town, why would do something stupid like this?Royston wrote:
If you want more pressure on me Sakura, I'm happy to provide it.
unvote
vote: Royston
This is a classic example of pushing forward a wagon while trying not to leave a trail. He also has yet to vote this entire game. As an addition, he's sheeping one of my town reads pretty hard.Irreversible wrote:
Let's see how he's going to react further. FoS on Royston for now~
kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.
I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.
DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Why is everyone crying about my not voting ?
If I wanted to push forward a wagon against Royston, I would've voted him, what I didn't do so far, because he didn't post much.
Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.
Vote: Royston I finally want to see him posting and reacting.
If I wanted to push forward a wagon against Royston, I would've voted him, what I didn't do so far, because he didn't post much.
Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.
Vote: Royston I finally want to see him posting and reacting.
This is a misrep. My case isn't that you're attacking Royston. My case is the way you're attacking Royston. You're trying to further suspicion on him, but you're doing it in a way that's not truly taking a stance.Irreversible wrote:
Next thing, it's quite funny how you both work together, first Royston defends you, then you defend him. You don't have to care at all if my FoS is on Royston or not, that's just my opinion about him, well yeah.
But okay, here's a few questions:
1. Is Royston's post about my post scummy?
2. What is your opinion on his self-vote?
3. What in general is your case on Royston? It's a bit late to vote only for a reaction without any basis to go on.
1) I don't understand, what post about your post, what?
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
On the matter of voting, Mastin explains it very well here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2707177
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15895 here's a more condensed version of it if you dont like reading long text.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15895 here's a more condensed version of it if you dont like reading long text.
I'm just impressed how much you want to talk about Royston, I've got a few questions for you as well.
1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
It's not about how much they post, but about the content on their posts and reading the intent behind them. You will notice when you start reading intent instead of the actual posts reading text walls becomes so much easier.
1. His response to your comment about me unvoting.Irreversible wrote:
1) I don't understand, what post about your post, what?
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
If that's a mafia rule, alright, but I don't like throwing out my votes without any reasons.
2. Okay, let me rephrase the question, then. Why does that make him more likely scum than town?
3. Your posts don't suggest that at all.
1. This is a question I literally cannot answer.Irreversible wrote:
I'm just impressed how much you want to talk about Royston, I've got a few questions for you as well.
1) Why did Royston talk for you?
2) What do you think yourself about his selfvote? Are you worried about it?
3) Why exactly are kookook and ReDo your other primary subjects? And afaik, Jinxy didn't post that much, how are you so sure he's town?
2. I find it null. In my experience, actions like this are alignment-irrelevant.
3. KKK's posts on page 5 ping pretty hard. Look through my ISO for the rEdo case.
The reason for my self-vote was simple. To facilitate discussion and conversation. I mean, it's worked, hasn't it?
It's true that there's also disadvantages for a self-vote in that it takes away focus from other people (who may potentially be scum). Though by the same token it can be risky for scum to do so, as it attracts unnecessary attention to themselves. Overall I wouldn't see it points to me being scum or town either way though, you could use WIFOM to argue either way.
It's true that there's also disadvantages for a self-vote in that it takes away focus from other people (who may potentially be scum). Though by the same token it can be risky for scum to do so, as it attracts unnecessary attention to themselves. Overall I wouldn't see it points to me being scum or town either way though, you could use WIFOM to argue either way.
How confident are you in that?Sakura wrote:
Hint: he's not town.
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.Sakura wrote:
Hint: he's not town.
You're just sitting on the fence here. You don't think he would do that if he was town, and then you flip around and say you're not voting him because you don't think he's scum.Irreversible wrote:
2) This should be answered if you scroll a bit to the top, I said why he's doing this, if he was town he'd never do that.
3) And I don't understand this question as well, if I didn't think he's mafia, why would I vote him? Non-sense again.
Mod: have you got more Ratboy Genius yet
which is to say, votecount please
which is to say, votecount please
Jinxy I guess you didn't catch that, I said : Why would I vote him if he was town?" Like, I suppose he's mafia, so i vote him.
so at first you were like against anything that Sakura said, started to shift between your statements, and now that she's claimed that she started to think that you're town, you've started to sheep to the wagons that she starts push? tsk, tsk. something doesn't seem right.DakeDekaane wrote:
Hehe, matches so nicely with my thoughts.Sakura wrote:
Hint: he's not town.
Unvote
Vote: Irreversible
also,
Mod: requesting for a replacement for kookookook. he's probably not gonna say anything that could help us, anyway. the only things he's done this game were some scumpings on page 5 and speculating the setup, saying two certain set-ups ain't gonna be used because they're "too boring".
And you vote me because I wanna have scum lynched? Great that you work against us.
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
@Irreversible: Who's scum?
his vote is only temporary and has no real relevance nor connection with him being scum, as you just implied - he'll just change it when the right time comes.Irreversible wrote:
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
also, I do work for town - I wanna lynch scum, and with every post you just prove yourself being one more and more. is there a particular reason why you think Royston is scum, or just "a gut feeling"? or perhaps you're just following Sakura's wagon just to divert the attention from yourself?
@Sakura: is "who's scum" a catch-phrase (since I saw people randomly using this a lot, even in this thread), or did you actually ask him who's scum?
Don't you guys think Irre is being awfully defensive for someone with just 2 votes on him.
Yes I did, it has a reason and I'll explain after Irre's reply.rEdo wrote:
@Sakura: is "who's scum" a catch-phrase (since I saw people randomly using this a lot, even in this thread), or did you actually ask him who's scum?
well, go on voting me can't be bothered anymore orz
Yeeeeeeah, this string of responses looks more scum-motivated than town-motivated.
Yeeeeeeeeeeah, well, you've already voted for me, I'm waiting for more.
it's not us trying to be mean, but you just simply change your mind way too often for a game like this. sorry, but you won't achieve anything by acting all emo and ignoring our questions, as that will just prove you scum even further.
Well, what should I do? It's always the same, I can't come out of those situations xD
The reason I asked was because if you're under fire you can find scum more easily, when you're town that is.
Irre is not outing what he thinks because it would out his scum partner.
Unvote
Vote: Irreversible
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Irre is not outing what he thinks because it would out his scum partner.
Unvote
Vote: Irreversible
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Alright, then let's analyse things a bit further.
[quote="Royston]unvote
vote: Royston[/quote]
Well, I'm still questioning what this was good for, since I don't think this is only for 'talking-stuff'. Were you panicking?
[quote="SenaSaki":1337]catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly
Where is your catching up post? I'm waiting, to see what you think about all this stuff happening.
Probably the most important thing for now:
Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?
I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.
Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot
Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
What an answer, why can't you offer us some real support? Well, there must be a reason that you aren't talking.Royston wrote:
Well, I can offer moral support.
[quote="Royston]unvote
vote: Royston[/quote]
Well, I'm still questioning what this was good for, since I don't think this is only for 'talking-stuff'. Were you panicking?
[quote="SenaSaki":1337]catch up post coming soon.
hopefully that'll boot us out of moving slowly
Where is your catching up post? I'm waiting, to see what you think about all this stuff happening.
Probably the most important thing for now:
Well Caligno, you were pushing forward a wagon as well. But the special thing here is, that you've done this, because I was putting pressure on Royston, so you had to put some pressure on me as well, to get rid of the attention of Royston.CalignoBot wrote:
I finally got off my lazy ass and read some things again.
Vote: Irreversible
This is a classic example of pushing forward a wagon while trying not to leave a trail. He also has yet to vote this entire game. As an addition, he's sheeping one of my town reads pretty hard.
kookookook and rEdo are my other primary suspects.
I'm satisfied with Jinxy and Sakura as town for now. Their posts look town-motivated.
DakeDekaane, Royston, and SenaSaki are in varying forms of null.
Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?
I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.
Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot
Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
eh.. dunno what happened to the quoting before -_-
2 Things.
1: CalignoBot if anything gets town points for helping with reaction testing (he actually never moved his vote off you), but it seems you noticed mine was a fakehammer so whatever.
2: Why are you trying to associate Royston and CalignoBot without any flips?
1: CalignoBot if anything gets town points for helping with reaction testing (he actually never moved his vote off you), but it seems you noticed mine was a fakehammer so whatever.
2: Why are you trying to associate Royston and CalignoBot without any flips?
1) Not sure if this question is asked toward me, since I don't quite get it again, I'm terribly sorry for that LOL
2) I associated them together since Royston tried to defend him, (he was answering for him). It was definetly no need there, so the question is why he's done that. I guess that he wanted to put attention on him, but yeah, that failed I suppose.
2) I associated them together since Royston tried to defend him, (he was answering for him). It was definetly no need there, so the question is why he's done that. I guess that he wanted to put attention on him, but yeah, that failed I suppose.
Again, why are you making associations without a flip? and Royston defended who? Royston if anything has been martyrized.
How, without a flip? He tried to talk for Caligno, and I'm still wondering why, it seems like panicking because I asked Caligno why he unvoted kookook all of a sudden. But there was no need to panic since it was a normal question \: But Royston isn't posting anything, and since Caligno voted me after I voted Royston as well, i suppose he's trying to get rid off me, because I voted for Royston. That's it
Your first paragraph is a huge stretch.Irreversible wrote:
Well Caligno, you were pushing forward a wagon as well. But the special thing here is, that you've done this, because I was putting pressure on Royston, so you had to put some pressure on me as well, to get rid of the attention of Royston.
Also, you're voting me again, but this time for no reason. You've also said that his selfvote was irrelevant due to your experience. But you know, games can change, and you also want to defend Royston with that, don't you?
I think you just want to be with Sakura and reDo (even if reDo is your other primary subject), so you voted me that the others won't get their FoS on you.
Unvote
Vote: CalignoBot
Simple reason: Royston is inactive again, too many things happened to him, so he prefers staying quiet. You immediately turned active, would be a bit too suspicious if you both were inactive, hm?
The second one doesn't make much sense either. I've seen both town and mafia do this sort of thing, and I have yet to see any significant divergence in the way it's done that indicates alignment. That's sufficient enough for me to disregard it as a town- or scum-tell entirely.
Your third paragraph is just completely wrong. When I initially voted you, Sakura had more of a town than scum opinion of you and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all. The second vote, as stated before, was pretty much meaningless.
And as for my activity, I don't see anything strange about it.
just wanted to make it clear: at first his twist of statements seemed as mere confusion of his to me, but every further post started to ping me pretty hard he's scum, that's why I intervened just recently and started to pressure him.CalignoBot wrote:
(...) and rEdo didn't have an opinion at all (...)
I'm not scum, that's all I have to say, if you wanna get rid of me, fine, but that's what only mafia want - get rid of townies.
You aren't doing anything town tho, so why should I believe you?
I try my best to hunt scum, because I didn't really know that I really have to put my vote on day 1 etc, yet I try my best to do that now. The main reason i didn't vote was only that i didn't want to rush things, and consider some more points, but well, I was wrong.
rEdo, who is 'us' ?rEdo wrote:
it's not us trying to be mean
And sorry that i missed this question, i actually didn't see it, too many things at once.rEdo wrote:
his vote is only temporary and has no real relevance nor connection with him being scum, as you just implied - he'll just change it when the right time comes.Irreversible wrote:
I still don't think that his 'selfvote' was just for talking stuff, if it was, he would've unvoted hisself already, wouldn't he?
also, I do work for town - I wanna lynch scum, and with every post you just prove yourself being one more and more. is there a particular reason why you think Royston is scum, or just "a gut feeling"? or perhaps you're just following Sakura's wagon just to divert the attention from yourself?
There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
Sakura and me, as we're pushing you quite hard and you started to say stuff like "I don't even care anymore", so yeahIrreversible wrote:
rEdo, who is 'us' ?
CalignoBot apparently got active because your posts started to ping scum, as I've mentioned before, and that's what he's focusing on. he hasn't defended nor said a word about Royston (except for saying that he has no idea why Royston defended him). not sure about Roy's case, though, but he seems less scummy than you right now.Irreversible wrote:
There is a particular reason, his inactivity when we voted him. calignobot immediately got active then, what lets me think they work together. It's obviously a good choice to stay quiet while you guys focus on me, isn't it?
I tend to get really lazy when I commit to rereading the entire game or looking into every single player in the game.
What did you expect me to say reDo? <.<
Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
I might as well say that you'reIrreversible wrote:
Why would he say something about Royston? That's the defending actually imo, because he doesn't want to put attention on him.
Well, should I put attention on Sakura, you, dake, kookook, whoever? Nevertheless, i'm trying to show you that calignobot and royston MIGHT be scum, but yeah, nobodys believing me. This is so helpless, well it's my third game now. once i get a vote it seems like everyone wants to vote me. this sucks.