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You are right that's the hardest map, sorry.
Shuriken_old_1
Yeah... I remember when I fced 4d, still can't pass big black thoughShuriken wrote:
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(((the big black is no where near hardest since it has such a low drain
its incredibly hard to fc but relatively easy to pass
then again same can be said about airman
and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
Soarezi
You're right about it being harder, but is it even a map? xoMillhioreF wrote:
and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
This thread has become at this point a very philosophical (lol) debate about "what is a map" (should Tag4 even count? It wasn't made to be played by one person to begin with) and "what do you go by for -hard-" (hard to pass with default settings? hard to pass with HP7? hard to FC with retries? hard to FC in an average play? hard to SS? hard to SS on OD10?)
Since every combination of answers to these questions results in a different "hardest" map.
Why not just go into edit, open a random song, put 10000bpm, put a long slider, use the convert slider to stream tool, and post it here ;w; it's just as good as anything people were linking in the last few pages. (maybe lock?)
it is a beatmap because it is a beatmap
Oh, are we counting unranked maps now? Then this one wins. http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44126
Big money 
There's a threshold where all beatmaps are equally hard. I think that comes when you put 10+ circles offscreen at HP10. If you're gonna count unranked maps, I think that one wins for sure (as well as any similar map)
val0108's [My Art] on Scarlet Rose is obviously the hardest map ever
even tom's diffcalc agrees
even tom's diffcalc agrees
Chocobo, while really hard, has been SS'd multiple times. Wouldn't be close to one of the hardest.Awoken- wrote:
TAG4 maps and Chocobo (Gold)?
According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High TemplarRLC wrote:
val0108's [My Art] on Scarlet Rose is obviously the hardest map ever
even tom's diffcalc agrees
On the normal version of the calc that is locked at difficulty 9000, all of those are paired. But on the version without the limiter, lewatuuba wins with an outstanding difficulty level that cuts through skies with the power of a thousand suns.GoldenWolf wrote:
According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High Templar
Lewa is a sexy monster, you know this.
i bet a lot more people can pass most of the maps posted here than people who can pass freedom dive
there we have it
there we have it
scarlet rose and big black O_O 
Top-tip: ctrl+c copies difficulty info into your clipboard. And this is not capped by anything, only the GUI display is. (Despite all diffs over 9000 getting displayed the same way they are still sorted correctly.)Aqo wrote:
On the normal version of the calc that is locked at difficulty 9000, all of those are paired. But on the version without the limiter, lewatuuba wins with an outstanding difficulty level that cuts through skies with the power of a thousand suns.GoldenWolf wrote:
According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High Templar
Lewa is a sexy monster, you know this.
8441able, definitely
because snapping is relatively easy and keeping a consistent flow at superhigh pace is just way harder
once you're out, you're out - pattern and game
*poofs*
because snapping is relatively easy and keeping a consistent flow at superhigh pace is just way harder
once you're out, you're out - pattern and game
*poofs*
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?Feel The Wind wrote:
scarlet rose and big black O_O
It seems like there's a correlation between when people first discover BPM sorting and between when they discover this thread.jesus1412 wrote:
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?
scarlet rose hard
If you can singletap 320 bpm, it's not hard. If you can't, it's hard.jesus1412 wrote:
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?Feel The Wind wrote:
scarlet rose and big black O_O
alternate master race
Even by alternating it's not that hard. I feel it's the easiest one of all those high BPM single tap maps.
Except for the last part there it gets harder.
Except for the last part there it gets harder.
Yay for having zero coordination!Wishy wrote:
Even by alternating it's not that hard.
It's like streaming low BPM. (
(passing scarlet rose: relatively easy, heck, even I nearly did that.
doing it with an acceptable accuracy: hard.
fcing it (bonus points for good acc): have fun, it will take you a while.
doing it with an acceptable accuracy: hard.
fcing it (bonus points for good acc): have fun, it will take you a while.
nearly everyone i know that can alternate gets 95% acc every run
Wishy wrote:
Even by alternating it's not that hard. I feel it's the easiest one of all those high BPM single tap maps.
Except for the last part there it gets harder.
Yeah it's easy to have 97-98% up until the ending part. Usually kills me to 95-96%.
If we're comparing the amount of S/SS's on the maps, Cry For Eternity may be one, since White Wolf and Cookiezi were the only people to achieve an S for the map.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
considering when they fc'd them, no. Far from the hardest beatmaps.AkoSuminoe wrote:
If we're comparing the amount of S/SS's on the maps, Cry For Eternity may be one, since White Wolf and Cookiezi were the only people to achieve an S for the map.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
Literally if we don't include the TAG4 maps, and regardless of when/how many players FC'ed it, 4d is the hardest in my opinion. Cookiezi was the only person to FC it without a difficulty reduction mod, where else everyone else below him who FCed mostly used a Half Time mod.
You can't deny the fact that it is so stamina draining.
You can't deny the fact that it is so stamina draining.
It's actually a lot harder to aim those streams at the end than to keep your stamina up to par.
Trust me on this one. ;_;
Trust me on this one. ;_;
exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
Any beatmap with big spaced 200+ streams and fast start patterns is a hard for anyone :3
True... The stream spacing is wider in the last section of 4d when you have to literally accelerate the speed of your cursor[AirCoN] wrote:
exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
i find the streams that twist and sharp bends to be harder than those spaced ones
Looked thought most of the thread, but I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned Savage Garden - I Want You
This is candidate one of the hardest maps, in my opinion. (which just a handful of full combo's)
Another one worth mentioning is a Kirby Mix, being quite old still only has 1 FC.
Basshunter - Ievan Polkka Trance Remix
This is candidate one of the hardest maps, in my opinion. (which just a handful of full combo's)
Another one worth mentioning is a Kirby Mix, being quite old still only has 1 FC.
Basshunter - Ievan Polkka Trance Remix
1- pp is shit.[AirCoN] wrote:
exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
2- Most people can't stream 222 BPM.
3- Even between those who can, most have not enough stamina to do it through the whole map.
4- Even between those who can endure that intensive streaming, most can't follow those streams properly.
That's how it is. :p
Shadow:
Both those maps are very old and use a style that most people now don't really play at all (old maps = few plays too). I Want You = very low AR and non-sense jumps, Ievan Polkka is nicely mapped yet again it uses a low AR (was it 7?). That Kirby's map in fact has no FC, White Wolf got a slider break iirc. They are all old scores anyways I'm quite sure top players can FC that map if they practice it long enough, which is not possible on maps like Freedom Dive, Kokou no Sousei or Atama (imo). Nevertheless yeah they are very hard ones.
hard to fc doesn't necessarily mean it's hard overall
if the map is easy to pass, but hard to fc, then it means that the difficultysettings are ridiculously low (AngeHoney does that often). or that there are some nasty patterns that are hard to fc, in which this statement is true.buny wrote:
hard to fc doesn't necessarily mean it's hard overall
Both those maps have pretty much some nasty patterns that are just very hard to hit even while the rest of the map is quite doable.
So why is Lemon Tree seen as such a hard map? It doesn't seem all that hard. Granted, I probably couldn't pass it, but it doesn't seem as "impossible" as people make it out to be.
My vote for hardest map still goes out to awp's extra Impossibly Intense diff in Shotgun Symphony. Someone finally SS'd it a month ago with EZ mod.
My vote for hardest map still goes out to awp's extra Impossibly Intense diff in Shotgun Symphony. Someone finally SS'd it a month ago with EZ mod.
they're talking about the unranked lemon tree
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57878# I guess this is the reupload of the map
they're not even playable.. why mention them.
bieg plak
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/52487Stefan wrote:
bieg plak
Seriously? Why do people keep insisting on making "lololol unbeatable" maps? Phoenix Wright's Breakdown, the countless Vuvuzela maps and Trap Card sort-of did it right, but this is just stupid.Tanzklaue wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57878# I guess this is the reupload of the map
Lemon Tree was originally the first map to ever do that, iirc. And it's so 'special' because it was a random noob who made it, and it turned out to be an April Fools joke when staff members decided to approve Lemon Tree on April 1st. The map got deleted though, that's just a reupload.
onotoleonide
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/93050
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she_old
see posts like this are the reason why people hate necro'sSuperCuteGirl wrote:
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not only is it an unranked map and therefor it doesnt contribute at all, but it isnt even the hardest unranked map.
your post has no meaning.
As of this point I can safely conclude that four dimensions is the hardest ranked map. Everything else is passable to me.
she_old
the hardest beatmaps are the ones posted in the era of which OP posted in
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41686
I think this is the hardest. *^*
I think this is the hardest. *^*
There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
That map is SO easy compared. 4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.AkoSuminoe wrote:
There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
Literally. Well you have a point there.jesus1412 wrote:
That map is SO easy compared. 4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.AkoSuminoe wrote:
There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7385Koko Ban wrote:
how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
Cookiezi also couldn't pass this without NoFail yet Jesse did it. Jesse for #1 osu! player!
JAKACHAN wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7385Koko Ban wrote:
how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
Cookiezi also couldn't pass this without NoFail yet Jesse did it. Jesse for #1 osu! player!
4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.wtf exaggerations
but yes 4d is still hardest (not counting tag4 maps because duh)
Big blackjesus1412 wrote:
Not including troll maps (like the above xD) Freedom Dive (4 Dimensions) is without a doubt the hardest map in the game! Compared to that, all TAG4 maps seem passable (well, not to me, but to people who can actually play this game xD).
TAG4 maps are relatively easy to pass since they have very low HP Drain, playing them correctly is another matter though.Artaxerx wrote:
Not including troll maps (like the above xD) Freedom Dive (4 Dimensions) is without a doubt the hardest map in the game! Compared to that, all TAG4 maps seem passable (well, not to me, but to people who can actually play this game xD).
TAG4 maps are all kind of the hardest maps in the game by far (talking about ranked) imo.
Only utage is harder to pass than 4d, the other tag4's are pretty easy too.
Well that's true, most TAG maps are about 1 or 2 hard parts (if you just want to clear). But all of them are harder to FC than 4D imo.
why does this thread just keep coming back
because some random person that cant even pass insanes plays a map he cant pass and thinks "wow this must be the hardest map ever"
gee williker guys have you heard about the big black? that map is really hard 
Kodora
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/7671
heh, still hardest - noone S it nomod :\awp wrote:
Apparently someone got to the first break in Shotgun Symphony [Impossibly Intense] but nobody's even come close to getting halfway through that map.
Using half-time I got pretty close to the first break but couldn't make it.
#3 nomod score
But yeah, shotgun symphony is probably the hardest in terms of complexity in patterns (4d is just hard because high bpm and long/huge streams).
But yeah, shotgun symphony is probably the hardest in terms of complexity in patterns (4d is just hard because high bpm and long/huge streams).
2211178
How did it not get excludedB-52 wrote:
Excluding all the maps that were made for watching Auto playing, Big Money would be the hardest
2211178
Well, theoretically Big Money is at least mapped for human... some maps like this is the most eggpain map you've ever seen is not, and I'm pretty much talking about excluding them.Aqo wrote:
How did it not get excludedB-52 wrote:
Excluding all the maps that were made for watching Auto playing, Big Money would be the hardest
Someone should map a ranked lolwtf version of Big Money.
The 5-diff one is not enough.
Even if $100 is bloody hard.
The 5-diff one is not enough.
Even if $100 is bloody hard.
MarioBound are you talking about this map? https://osu.ppy.sh/s/109928
(Also look at the tags: the big black freedom dive for the big money of atama no taisou featuring blue dragon yeah yeah woo woo dunna dunna dunna duna dunna dunna dunna skystar vocaloid attack on titan guren no yumiya shingeki no kyojin moe kawaii uguu the best 10/10 would hug )
I'm not sure if Blue Dragon actually intended for this to get ranked, but I think I remember him saying something about trying to make something that cookiezi couldn't FC, or something along those lines.
(Also look at the tags: the big black freedom dive for the big money of atama no taisou featuring blue dragon yeah yeah woo woo dunna dunna dunna duna dunna dunna dunna skystar vocaloid attack on titan guren no yumiya shingeki no kyojin moe kawaii uguu the best 10/10 would hug )
I'm not sure if Blue Dragon actually intended for this to get ranked, but I think I remember him saying something about trying to make something that cookiezi couldn't FC, or something along those lines.
no
cant you people let this thread rip in peace?
cant you people let this thread rip in peace?
oh FOR FUCKS SAKE
everytime someone posts scarlet rose in this topic i wish i could punch them through my screenZarerion wrote:
oh FOR FUCKS SAKE
you're forgetting scarlet black 4D [TAG4]silmarilen wrote:
everytime someone posts scarlet rose in this topic i wish i could punch them through my screenZarerion wrote:
oh FOR FUCKS SAKE
pfft yeah right, that has NOTHING on thissilmarilen wrote:
no man, this is totally the hardest map ive ever played
lol noobs here saying scarlet rose.
hardest map is obviously with a dance number or talent shredder.
hardest map is obviously with a dance number or talent shredder.
From ranked maps id say freedom dive, big black, ghost of 3,13 or image - material
Unranked the most impossible thing i have seen is lemon tree from MillhioreF, serious shit from cookiezi and some random vuvuzela shitmaps. Being possible to pass dunno, maybe some Aqo maps (i dont know very much about unrankeds XD)
PD: i still remember when i saw scarlet rose when i was starting and looked incredibly fast and hard. I cant pass it yet because my reading is shit, but doesnt impress my at all anymore xD
Unranked the most impossible thing i have seen is lemon tree from MillhioreF, serious shit from cookiezi and some random vuvuzela shitmaps. Being possible to pass dunno, maybe some Aqo maps (i dont know very much about unrankeds XD)
PD: i still remember when i saw scarlet rose when i was starting and looked incredibly fast and hard. I cant pass it yet because my reading is shit, but doesnt impress my at all anymore xD