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buny
physical limitation isn't an excuse to call a map bad

i'd much prefer tornado squares (actually love how these patterns stand out + the feeling of hitting them) over full screen jumps that don't flow with the song
Froslass

Tanzklaue wrote:

buny wrote:

this is true

keep in mind the song IS 280 bpm and is supposed to be hard
there is a slight difference between hard and "TORNADO SQUAREs HUEHUE BRBRBRBR"-retardedness.
so by your amazing logic, you mean this:



is the same as this:




lol'd
Wishy
Thing is even maps like Gotsta Terrify [0108] have structure and stuff and I'd dare to say they play fine (with the song) yet they are so hard that people can't properly feel that so they call them joke maps.

Nevertheless having patterns on a map that you made just because you wanted something hard doesn't mean it has structure. Not referring to Big Money but overall, Shoushitsu does not have random 1/2 jumps but patterns all over the map so we might as well say that's a proper map with patterns that were thoughout by the mapper.
Aqo

Purple wrote:

Atama no something [Nogard]: Lots of mid 240bpm jumps. Low OD. Short. Intuitive patterns. Fun for most players provided they can single tap 240 bpm.
lol'd

people should just stop talking about maps they didn't actually try playing

if by current standards aesthetic equals structure then you get into a very complex opinionated situation where you can't really define what's structure or not since everybody has a different idea of what's aesthetic. Why not instead use connection between the song and the map to define whether it has structure? Rather than saying anti you lacks structure since the object placement is ugly and the antijumps are annoying to play, say that it lacks structure since the spacing style is completely random and doesn't follow any of the song's rhythms or even stanza spread consistency.

Shoushitsu's object timing nor object placement follows anything in the song other than the bpm itself, by this logic it's a shitmap. Whether you find the patterns on it consistent or aesthetic, they follow nothing in the song. Big Money, for the most part, does follow the song with the timestamps, and has a pattern spacing design that is consistent with stanzas in the song, so with the same logic it's not a shitmap but rather a "very hard map".

Gotsta might have consistent parts in it, but I'm pretty sure it's just because val used copypaste while making it. He was probably laughing during the entire creation of that map.

SPOILER
plz add my diff.but...


this is unrankable map.
you can deleate it if rank this map!!(other my diff)

thank you and goodluck x))
buny
shoushitsu does follow the song though
Loves

buny wrote:

shoushitsu does follow the song though
Its a fun map but Aqo doesn't like fun.
Aqo

buny wrote:

shoushitsu does follow the song though
Where does the song have 1/4 streams sorry is my hearing bad

00:39:250 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20)

not even going to bother. pls stahp
Wishy
Pretty much all streams and triples are overmap why are you complaining about that.
Raging Bull
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/69685 ? Although pretty much ridiculous for me
buny
I slowed it down to 25% in editor and actually CAN hear the beat, and the streams sound appropriate too.
Wishy
Aqo

buny wrote:

I slowed it down to 25% in editor and actually CAN hear the beat, and the streams sound appropriate too.
There is no beat on the part that I linked, don't make things up
Wishy
Sounds fine here too.
buny
You asked if your hearing was bad



It is
silmarilen

Wishy wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29371
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13051 is harder
buny
but there is a difference between hard and impossible
silmarilen
minor details
Wishy
You are right that's the hardest map, sorry.
Shuriken_old_1
Ranked: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/41823
Gameplay:

Unranked:https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17380
Gameplay:
jesse1412

Shuriken wrote:

Ranked: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/41823
Gameplay:

Unranked:https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17380
Gameplay:
Yeah... I remember when I fced 4d, still can't pass big black though :((((
buny
the big black is no where near hardest since it has such a low drain
silmarilen
its incredibly hard to fc but relatively easy to pass
buny
then again same can be said about airman
MillhioreF
and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
Soarezi
Hardest map is definitely xi - Freedom Dive [FOUR DIMENSIONS] Considering the fact that you have to have the stamina to do constant spaced streams at 222bpm and stuff.
Aqo

MillhioreF wrote:

and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
You're right about it being harder, but is it even a map? xo

This thread has become at this point a very philosophical (lol) debate about "what is a map" (should Tag4 even count? It wasn't made to be played by one person to begin with) and "what do you go by for -hard-" (hard to pass with default settings? hard to pass with HP7? hard to FC with retries? hard to FC in an average play? hard to SS? hard to SS on OD10?)
Since every combination of answers to these questions results in a different "hardest" map.

Why not just go into edit, open a random song, put 10000bpm, put a long slider, use the convert slider to stream tool, and post it here ;w; it's just as good as anything people were linking in the last few pages. (maybe lock?)
buny
it is a beatmap because it is a beatmap
Kanye West
Oh, are we counting unranked maps now? Then this one wins. http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44126
THS
Big money :D
MillhioreF
There's a threshold where all beatmaps are equally hard. I think that comes when you put 10+ circles offscreen at HP10. If you're gonna count unranked maps, I think that one wins for sure (as well as any similar map)
primrose
TAG4 maps and Chocobo (Gold)?
RLC
val0108's [My Art] on Scarlet Rose is obviously the hardest map ever
even tom's diffcalc agrees
Kanye West

Awoken- wrote:

TAG4 maps and Chocobo (Gold)?
Chocobo, while really hard, has been SS'd multiple times. Wouldn't be close to one of the hardest.
GoldenWolf

RLC wrote:

val0108's [My Art] on Scarlet Rose is obviously the hardest map ever
even tom's diffcalc agrees
According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High Templar

Aqo

GoldenWolf wrote:

According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High Templar
On the normal version of the calc that is locked at difficulty 9000, all of those are paired. But on the version without the limiter, lewatuuba wins with an outstanding difficulty level that cuts through skies with the power of a thousand suns.

Lewa is a sexy monster, you know this.
Distant years
i bet a lot more people can pass most of the maps posted here than people who can pass freedom dive

there we have it
Naikaze
I doubt that

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/66350 The extra diff found in the forum
Sachi_old_1
scarlet rose and big black O_O :shock:
Tom94

Aqo wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High Templar
On the normal version of the calc that is locked at difficulty 9000, all of those are paired. But on the version without the limiter, lewatuuba wins with an outstanding difficulty level that cuts through skies with the power of a thousand suns.

Lewa is a sexy monster, you know this.
Top-tip: ctrl+c copies difficulty info into your clipboard. And this is not capped by anything, only the GUI display is. (Despite all diffs over 9000 getting displayed the same way they are still sorted correctly.)
Jenny
8441able, definitely
because snapping is relatively easy and keeping a consistent flow at superhigh pace is just way harder
once you're out, you're out - pattern and game

*poofs*
jesse1412

Feel The Wind wrote:

scarlet rose and big black O_O :shock:
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?
Aqo

jesus1412 wrote:

Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?
It seems like there's a correlation between when people first discover BPM sorting and between when they discover this thread.
buny
scarlet rose hard
Kanye West

jesus1412 wrote:

Feel The Wind wrote:

scarlet rose and big black O_O :shock:
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?
If you can singletap 320 bpm, it's not hard. If you can't, it's hard.
buny
alternate master race
Wishy
Even by alternating it's not that hard. I feel it's the easiest one of all those high BPM single tap maps.

Except for the last part there it gets harder.
Kanye West

Wishy wrote:

Even by alternating it's not that hard.
Yay for having zero coordination!
Wishy
It's like streaming low BPM. :((
Tanzklaue
passing scarlet rose: relatively easy, heck, even I nearly did that.

doing it with an acceptable accuracy: hard.

fcing it (bonus points for good acc): have fun, it will take you a while.
buny
nearly everyone i know that can alternate gets 95% acc every run
lkjl23

Wishy wrote:

Even by alternating it's not that hard. I feel it's the easiest one of all those high BPM single tap maps.

Except for the last part there it gets harder.

Yeah it's easy to have 97-98% up until the ending part. Usually kills me to 95-96%.
-Selentia
If we're comparing the amount of S/SS's on the maps, Cry For Eternity may be one, since White Wolf and Cookiezi were the only people to achieve an S for the map.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
theowest

AkoSuminoe wrote:

If we're comparing the amount of S/SS's on the maps, Cry For Eternity may be one, since White Wolf and Cookiezi were the only people to achieve an S for the map.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
considering when they fc'd them, no. Far from the hardest beatmaps.
-Selentia
Literally if we don't include the TAG4 maps, and regardless of when/how many players FC'ed it, 4d is the hardest in my opinion. Cookiezi was the only person to FC it without a difficulty reduction mod, where else everyone else below him who FCed mostly used a Half Time mod.
You can't deny the fact that it is so stamina draining.
lolcubes
It's actually a lot harder to aim those streams at the end than to keep your stamina up to par.
Trust me on this one. ;_;
Icyteru
exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
Jacqli
I think Rapid jump is the hardest thing.. it's very hard to get that `-`
Loves
Any beatmap with big spaced 200+ streams and fast start patterns is a hard for anyone :3
-Selentia

[AirCoN] wrote:

exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
True... The stream spacing is wider in the last section of 4d when you have to literally accelerate the speed of your cursor
buny
i find the streams that twist and sharp bends to be harder than those spaced ones
Shadow
Looked thought most of the thread, but I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned Savage Garden - I Want You

This is candidate one of the hardest maps, in my opinion. (which just a handful of full combo's)

Another one worth mentioning is a Kirby Mix, being quite old still only has 1 FC.

Basshunter - Ievan Polkka Trance Remix
Wishy

[AirCoN] wrote:

exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
1- pp is shit.

2- Most people can't stream 222 BPM.

3- Even between those who can, most have not enough stamina to do it through the whole map.

4- Even between those who can endure that intensive streaming, most can't follow those streams properly.

That's how it is. :p

Shadow:

Both those maps are very old and use a style that most people now don't really play at all (old maps = few plays too). I Want You = very low AR and non-sense jumps, Ievan Polkka is nicely mapped yet again it uses a low AR (was it 7?). That Kirby's map in fact has no FC, White Wolf got a slider break iirc. They are all old scores anyways I'm quite sure top players can FC that map if they practice it long enough, which is not possible on maps like Freedom Dive, Kokou no Sousei or Atama (imo). Nevertheless yeah they are very hard ones.
buny
hard to fc doesn't necessarily mean it's hard overall
Tanzklaue

buny wrote:

hard to fc doesn't necessarily mean it's hard overall
if the map is easy to pass, but hard to fc, then it means that the difficultysettings are ridiculously low (AngeHoney does that often). or that there are some nasty patterns that are hard to fc, in which this statement is true.
Wishy
Both those maps have pretty much some nasty patterns that are just very hard to hit even while the rest of the map is quite doable.
Rokk
So why is Lemon Tree seen as such a hard map? It doesn't seem all that hard. Granted, I probably couldn't pass it, but it doesn't seem as "impossible" as people make it out to be.

My vote for hardest map still goes out to awp's extra Impossibly Intense diff in Shotgun Symphony. Someone finally SS'd it a month ago with EZ mod.
buny
they're talking about the unranked lemon tree
Rokk
Which one? There's so many.
Tanzklaue
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57878# I guess this is the reupload of the map
theowest
they're not even playable.. why mention them.
Stefan
bieg plak
Kanye West

Stefan wrote:

bieg plak
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/52487
Rokk

Tanzklaue wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57878# I guess this is the reupload of the map
Seriously? Why do people keep insisting on making "lololol unbeatable" maps? Phoenix Wright's Breakdown, the countless Vuvuzela maps and Trap Card sort-of did it right, but this is just stupid.
Froslass
Lemon Tree was originally the first map to ever do that, iirc. And it's so 'special' because it was a random noob who made it, and it turned out to be an April Fools joke when staff members decided to approve Lemon Tree on April 1st. The map got deleted though, that's just a reupload.
onotoleonide
she_old

SuperCuteGirl wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/93050
</thread>
I agree!

ti nyasha supercutegirl!
silmarilen

SuperCuteGirl wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/93050
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see posts like this are the reason why people hate necro's
not only is it an unranked map and therefor it doesnt contribute at all, but it isnt even the hardest unranked map.
your post has no meaning.
jesse1412
As of this point I can safely conclude that four dimensions is the hardest ranked map. Everything else is passable to me.
she_old

silmarilen wrote:

SuperCuteGirl wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/93050
</thread>
see posts like this are the reason why people hate necro's
not only is it an unranked map and therefor it doesnt contribute at all, but it isnt even the hardest unranked map.
your post has no meaning.
omg u have no heart
buny
the hardest beatmaps are the ones posted in the era of which OP posted in
animanimoyo
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41686
I think this is the hardest. *^*
Soulg
Amazing necro.

Plus that map is quite easy.
-Selentia
There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>

First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
jesse1412

AkoSuminoe wrote:

There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>

First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
That map is SO easy compared. 4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.
-Selentia

jesus1412 wrote:

AkoSuminoe wrote:

There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>

First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
That map is SO easy compared. 4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.
Literally. Well you have a point there. :D
Koko Ban
how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
JAKACHAN

Koko Ban wrote:

how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7385

Cookiezi also couldn't pass this without NoFail yet Jesse did it. Jesse for #1 osu! player!
jesse1412

JAKACHAN wrote:

Koko Ban wrote:

how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7385

Cookiezi also couldn't pass this without NoFail yet Jesse did it. Jesse for #1 osu! player!
Soulg
4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.
wtf exaggerations

but yes 4d is still hardest (not counting tag4 maps because duh)
Stefan

jesus1412 wrote:

Big black
hinamizawan
Gigo
Not including troll maps (like the above xD) Freedom Dive (4 Dimensions) is without a doubt the hardest map in the game! Compared to that, all TAG4 maps seem passable (well, not to me, but to people who can actually play this game xD).
Full Tablet

Artaxerx wrote:

Not including troll maps (like the above xD) Freedom Dive (4 Dimensions) is without a doubt the hardest map in the game! Compared to that, all TAG4 maps seem passable (well, not to me, but to people who can actually play this game xD).
TAG4 maps are relatively easy to pass since they have very low HP Drain, playing them correctly is another matter though.
Wishy
TAG4 maps are all kind of the hardest maps in the game by far (talking about ranked) imo.
jesse1412
Only utage is harder to pass than 4d, the other tag4's are pretty easy too.
Wishy
Well that's true, most TAG maps are about 1 or 2 hard parts (if you just want to clear). But all of them are harder to FC than 4D imo.
Zare
why does this thread just keep coming back
silmarilen
because some random person that cant even pass insanes plays a map he cant pass and thinks "wow this must be the hardest map ever"
MillhioreF
gee williker guys have you heard about the big black? that map is really hard :) :) 8-)
Kodora
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/7671

awp wrote:

Apparently someone got to the first break in Shotgun Symphony [Impossibly Intense] but nobody's even come close to getting halfway through that map.

Using half-time I got pretty close to the first break but couldn't make it.
heh, still hardest - noone S it nomod :\
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