Thing is it's not considered a serious map by many since you made it pretty much cause Cookiezi wanted something hard.
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Airman: 200 BPM map with lots of huge and hard to follow (snap requiring) jumps. Fun map even for mid-level players.Blue Dragon wrote:
That's just retarded. Big Money has a lot of patterns and structure. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean it's just spam.
MLP gay rainbow dash map: Lots of short-to-mid 220 BPM jumps, lots of hard patterns but overall under the realm of things considered doable in this game. Lots of snapping required. Fun map for fast players.
Atama no something [Nogard]: Lots of mid 240bpm jumps. Low OD. Short. Intuitive patterns. Fun for most players provided they can single tap 240 bpm.
Big money: Garbled mess of 1/4 140 bpm mid-to-high distance jumps. Ridiculous patterns. Streams may require tap + K2. Hard to read even on max AR.
wow that didn't escalate quickly at all bruh
Blue Dragon wrote:
i think he meant as maps that have some kind of structure instead of 1/2 spam all over the screenbuny wrote:
big money serious map
lulululul
By structure I mean patterns - actual thought-out-by-the-mapper maps, and not 1/2 spam over the screen like Anti You or G-Garden that are simply jump-all-over-non-stop.
this is trueBlue Dragon wrote:
By structure I mean patterns - actual thought-out-by-the-mapper maps, and not 1/2 spam over the screen like Anti You or G-Garden that are simply jump-all-over-non-stop.
keep in mind the song IS 280 bpm and is supposed to be hard
the jumps in anti you don't make sense
g-garden just looks like crap
there is a slight difference between hard and "TORNADO SQUAREs HUEHUE BRBRBRBR"-retardedness.buny wrote:
this is trueBlue Dragon wrote:
By structure I mean patterns - actual thought-out-by-the-mapper maps, and not 1/2 spam over the screen like Anti You or G-Garden that are simply jump-all-over-non-stop.
keep in mind the song IS 280 bpm and is supposed to be hard
physical limitation isn't an excuse to call a map bad
i'd much prefer tornado squares (actually love how these patterns stand out + the feeling of hitting them) over full screen jumps that don't flow with the song
i'd much prefer tornado squares (actually love how these patterns stand out + the feeling of hitting them) over full screen jumps that don't flow with the song
so by your amazing logic, you mean this:Tanzklaue wrote:
there is a slight difference between hard and "TORNADO SQUAREs HUEHUE BRBRBRBR"-retardedness.buny wrote:
this is true
keep in mind the song IS 280 bpm and is supposed to be hard
is the same as this:
lol'd
Thing is even maps like Gotsta Terrify [0108] have structure and stuff and I'd dare to say they play fine (with the song) yet they are so hard that people can't properly feel that so they call them joke maps.
Nevertheless having patterns on a map that you made just because you wanted something hard doesn't mean it has structure. Not referring to Big Money but overall, Shoushitsu does not have random 1/2 jumps but patterns all over the map so we might as well say that's a proper map with patterns that were thoughout by the mapper.
Nevertheless having patterns on a map that you made just because you wanted something hard doesn't mean it has structure. Not referring to Big Money but overall, Shoushitsu does not have random 1/2 jumps but patterns all over the map so we might as well say that's a proper map with patterns that were thoughout by the mapper.
lol'dPurple wrote:
Atama no something [Nogard]: Lots of mid 240bpm jumps. Low OD. Short. Intuitive patterns. Fun for most players provided they can single tap 240 bpm.
people should just stop talking about maps they didn't actually try playing
if by current standards aesthetic equals structure then you get into a very complex opinionated situation where you can't really define what's structure or not since everybody has a different idea of what's aesthetic. Why not instead use connection between the song and the map to define whether it has structure? Rather than saying anti you lacks structure since the object placement is ugly and the antijumps are annoying to play, say that it lacks structure since the spacing style is completely random and doesn't follow any of the song's rhythms or even stanza spread consistency.
Shoushitsu's object timing nor object placement follows anything in the song other than the bpm itself, by this logic it's a shitmap. Whether you find the patterns on it consistent or aesthetic, they follow nothing in the song. Big Money, for the most part, does follow the song with the timestamps, and has a pattern spacing design that is consistent with stanzas in the song, so with the same logic it's not a shitmap but rather a "very hard map".
Gotsta might have consistent parts in it, but I'm pretty sure it's just because val used copypaste while making it. He was probably laughing during the entire creation of that map.
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plz add my diff.but...
this is unrankable map.
you can deleate it if rank this map!!(other my diff)
thank you and goodluck x))
this is unrankable map.
you can deleate it if rank this map!!(other my diff)
thank you and goodluck x))
shoushitsu does follow the song though
Its a fun map but Aqo doesn't like fun.buny wrote:
shoushitsu does follow the song though
Where does the song have 1/4 streams sorry is my hearing badbuny wrote:
shoushitsu does follow the song though
00:39:250 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20)
not even going to bother. pls stahp
Pretty much all streams and triples are overmap why are you complaining about that.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/69685 ? Although pretty much ridiculous for me
I slowed it down to 25% in editor and actually CAN hear the beat, and the streams sound appropriate too.
There is no beat on the part that I linked, don't make things upbuny wrote:
I slowed it down to 25% in editor and actually CAN hear the beat, and the streams sound appropriate too.
Sounds fine here too.
You asked if your hearing was bad
It is
It is
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13051 is harderWishy wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/29371
but there is a difference between hard and impossible
minor details
You are right that's the hardest map, sorry.
Shuriken_old_1
Yeah... I remember when I fced 4d, still can't pass big black thoughShuriken wrote:
Ranked: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/41823
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Unranked:https://osu.ppy.sh/s/17380
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(((the big black is no where near hardest since it has such a low drain
its incredibly hard to fc but relatively easy to pass
then again same can be said about airman
and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
Soarezi
You're right about it being harder, but is it even a map? xoMillhioreF wrote:
and cirno tag4 (which is apparently harder than all three of those since Cookiezi FC'd them but not this)
This thread has become at this point a very philosophical (lol) debate about "what is a map" (should Tag4 even count? It wasn't made to be played by one person to begin with) and "what do you go by for -hard-" (hard to pass with default settings? hard to pass with HP7? hard to FC with retries? hard to FC in an average play? hard to SS? hard to SS on OD10?)
Since every combination of answers to these questions results in a different "hardest" map.
Why not just go into edit, open a random song, put 10000bpm, put a long slider, use the convert slider to stream tool, and post it here ;w; it's just as good as anything people were linking in the last few pages. (maybe lock?)
it is a beatmap because it is a beatmap
Oh, are we counting unranked maps now? Then this one wins. http://osu.ppy.sh/s/44126
Big money 
There's a threshold where all beatmaps are equally hard. I think that comes when you put 10+ circles offscreen at HP10. If you're gonna count unranked maps, I think that one wins for sure (as well as any similar map)
val0108's [My Art] on Scarlet Rose is obviously the hardest map ever
even tom's diffcalc agrees
even tom's diffcalc agrees
Chocobo, while really hard, has been SS'd multiple times. Wouldn't be close to one of the hardest.Awoken- wrote:
TAG4 maps and Chocobo (Gold)?
According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High TemplarRLC wrote:
val0108's [My Art] on Scarlet Rose is obviously the hardest map ever
even tom's diffcalc agrees
On the normal version of the calc that is locked at difficulty 9000, all of those are paired. But on the version without the limiter, lewatuuba wins with an outstanding difficulty level that cuts through skies with the power of a thousand suns.GoldenWolf wrote:
According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High Templar
Lewa is a sexy monster, you know this.
i bet a lot more people can pass most of the maps posted here than people who can pass freedom dive
there we have it
there we have it
scarlet rose and big black O_O 
Top-tip: ctrl+c copies difficulty info into your clipboard. And this is not capped by anything, only the GUI display is. (Despite all diffs over 9000 getting displayed the same way they are still sorted correctly.)Aqo wrote:
On the normal version of the calc that is locked at difficulty 9000, all of those are paired. But on the version without the limiter, lewatuuba wins with an outstanding difficulty level that cuts through skies with the power of a thousand suns.GoldenWolf wrote:
According to tom's diffcalc, hardest map would be Radio Free Zerg - High Templar
Lewa is a sexy monster, you know this.
8441able, definitely
because snapping is relatively easy and keeping a consistent flow at superhigh pace is just way harder
once you're out, you're out - pattern and game
*poofs*
because snapping is relatively easy and keeping a consistent flow at superhigh pace is just way harder
once you're out, you're out - pattern and game
*poofs*
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?Feel The Wind wrote:
scarlet rose and big black O_O
It seems like there's a correlation between when people first discover BPM sorting and between when they discover this thread.jesus1412 wrote:
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?
scarlet rose hard
If you can singletap 320 bpm, it's not hard. If you can't, it's hard.jesus1412 wrote:
Ok I don't even get this one, people consider scarlet rose hard at all?Feel The Wind wrote:
scarlet rose and big black O_O
alternate master race
Even by alternating it's not that hard. I feel it's the easiest one of all those high BPM single tap maps.
Except for the last part there it gets harder.
Except for the last part there it gets harder.
Yay for having zero coordination!Wishy wrote:
Even by alternating it's not that hard.
It's like streaming low BPM. (
(passing scarlet rose: relatively easy, heck, even I nearly did that.
doing it with an acceptable accuracy: hard.
fcing it (bonus points for good acc): have fun, it will take you a while.
doing it with an acceptable accuracy: hard.
fcing it (bonus points for good acc): have fun, it will take you a while.
nearly everyone i know that can alternate gets 95% acc every run
Wishy wrote:
Even by alternating it's not that hard. I feel it's the easiest one of all those high BPM single tap maps.
Except for the last part there it gets harder.
Yeah it's easy to have 97-98% up until the ending part. Usually kills me to 95-96%.
If we're comparing the amount of S/SS's on the maps, Cry For Eternity may be one, since White Wolf and Cookiezi were the only people to achieve an S for the map.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
considering when they fc'd them, no. Far from the hardest beatmaps.AkoSuminoe wrote:
If we're comparing the amount of S/SS's on the maps, Cry For Eternity may be one, since White Wolf and Cookiezi were the only people to achieve an S for the map.
Streams that require finger dexterity, smaller hit circles require high cursor accuracy, and the song itself is long enough (lasting around 8 minutes).
One of the hardest songs to S.
Literally if we don't include the TAG4 maps, and regardless of when/how many players FC'ed it, 4d is the hardest in my opinion. Cookiezi was the only person to FC it without a difficulty reduction mod, where else everyone else below him who FCed mostly used a Half Time mod.
You can't deny the fact that it is so stamina draining.
You can't deny the fact that it is so stamina draining.
It's actually a lot harder to aim those streams at the end than to keep your stamina up to par.
Trust me on this one. ;_;
Trust me on this one. ;_;
exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
Any beatmap with big spaced 200+ streams and fast start patterns is a hard for anyone :3
True... The stream spacing is wider in the last section of 4d when you have to literally accelerate the speed of your cursor[AirCoN] wrote:
exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
i find the streams that twist and sharp bends to be harder than those spaced ones
Looked thought most of the thread, but I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned Savage Garden - I Want You
This is candidate one of the hardest maps, in my opinion. (which just a handful of full combo's)
Another one worth mentioning is a Kirby Mix, being quite old still only has 1 FC.
Basshunter - Ievan Polkka Trance Remix
This is candidate one of the hardest maps, in my opinion. (which just a handful of full combo's)
Another one worth mentioning is a Kirby Mix, being quite old still only has 1 FC.
Basshunter - Ievan Polkka Trance Remix
1- pp is shit.[AirCoN] wrote:
exactly. streaming 222bpm continuously isn't that hard once you hit that level, which is about most of top 1000 or 500 in pp i bet. it's the spacing of the streams that fails almost everyone
2- Most people can't stream 222 BPM.
3- Even between those who can, most have not enough stamina to do it through the whole map.
4- Even between those who can endure that intensive streaming, most can't follow those streams properly.
That's how it is. :p
Shadow:
Both those maps are very old and use a style that most people now don't really play at all (old maps = few plays too). I Want You = very low AR and non-sense jumps, Ievan Polkka is nicely mapped yet again it uses a low AR (was it 7?). That Kirby's map in fact has no FC, White Wolf got a slider break iirc. They are all old scores anyways I'm quite sure top players can FC that map if they practice it long enough, which is not possible on maps like Freedom Dive, Kokou no Sousei or Atama (imo). Nevertheless yeah they are very hard ones.
hard to fc doesn't necessarily mean it's hard overall
if the map is easy to pass, but hard to fc, then it means that the difficultysettings are ridiculously low (AngeHoney does that often). or that there are some nasty patterns that are hard to fc, in which this statement is true.buny wrote:
hard to fc doesn't necessarily mean it's hard overall
Both those maps have pretty much some nasty patterns that are just very hard to hit even while the rest of the map is quite doable.
So why is Lemon Tree seen as such a hard map? It doesn't seem all that hard. Granted, I probably couldn't pass it, but it doesn't seem as "impossible" as people make it out to be.
My vote for hardest map still goes out to awp's extra Impossibly Intense diff in Shotgun Symphony. Someone finally SS'd it a month ago with EZ mod.
My vote for hardest map still goes out to awp's extra Impossibly Intense diff in Shotgun Symphony. Someone finally SS'd it a month ago with EZ mod.
they're talking about the unranked lemon tree
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57878# I guess this is the reupload of the map
they're not even playable.. why mention them.
bieg plak
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/52487Stefan wrote:
bieg plak
Seriously? Why do people keep insisting on making "lololol unbeatable" maps? Phoenix Wright's Breakdown, the countless Vuvuzela maps and Trap Card sort-of did it right, but this is just stupid.Tanzklaue wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/57878# I guess this is the reupload of the map
Lemon Tree was originally the first map to ever do that, iirc. And it's so 'special' because it was a random noob who made it, and it turned out to be an April Fools joke when staff members decided to approve Lemon Tree on April 1st. The map got deleted though, that's just a reupload.
onotoleonide
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/93050
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she_old
see posts like this are the reason why people hate necro'sSuperCuteGirl wrote:
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not only is it an unranked map and therefor it doesnt contribute at all, but it isnt even the hardest unranked map.
your post has no meaning.
As of this point I can safely conclude that four dimensions is the hardest ranked map. Everything else is passable to me.
she_old
the hardest beatmaps are the ones posted in the era of which OP posted in
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41686
I think this is the hardest. *^*
I think this is the hardest. *^*
There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
That map is SO easy compared. 4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.AkoSuminoe wrote:
There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
Literally. Well you have a point there.jesus1412 wrote:
That map is SO easy compared. 4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.AkoSuminoe wrote:
There's a map which has been approved lately, so I would say it's sort of new, and the treacherous difficulty can be put into comparison with 4d.
---> Tatsh - IMAGE -MATERIAL- <Version 0>
First of all, it's clear that you have to be able to read and play AR10.
The high BPM makes it difficult for mainstream players to tackle. Especially the few long streams in there.
The absence of break times and the length of the song makes consistency essential.
That's what I see, although so I still think 4d would take the win~ :3
how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7385Koko Ban wrote:
how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
Cookiezi also couldn't pass this without NoFail yet Jesse did it. Jesse for #1 osu! player!
JAKACHAN wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/7385Koko Ban wrote:
how about the U.N. Owen nico megamix TAG4? it's impossible to FC even cookiezi can't do it.
Cookiezi also couldn't pass this without NoFail yet Jesse did it. Jesse for #1 osu! player!
4d makes this look like the easiest map ever.wtf exaggerations
but yes 4d is still hardest (not counting tag4 maps because duh)
Big blackjesus1412 wrote:
Not including troll maps (like the above xD) Freedom Dive (4 Dimensions) is without a doubt the hardest map in the game! Compared to that, all TAG4 maps seem passable (well, not to me, but to people who can actually play this game xD).
TAG4 maps are relatively easy to pass since they have very low HP Drain, playing them correctly is another matter though.Artaxerx wrote:
Not including troll maps (like the above xD) Freedom Dive (4 Dimensions) is without a doubt the hardest map in the game! Compared to that, all TAG4 maps seem passable (well, not to me, but to people who can actually play this game xD).
TAG4 maps are all kind of the hardest maps in the game by far (talking about ranked) imo.
Only utage is harder to pass than 4d, the other tag4's are pretty easy too.