I guess because discussion has halted for now, I will reread the thread. Hopefully Echo will make his appearance when I'm done.
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T'was a joke.
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I missed the "All the cops in the house scan yourself today/night!" line.
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Did I spell strait right? Or is it something else? Hmm...
I think it's straight.
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WIFOM: Trying to "disprove" the possibility of him (Derekku) being a Sibling by saying "jkjk" ?
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(Senseless reply) Then it'd be NM, which is reserved for Newbie Mafia. Current convention is NSM.
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Derekku continues with his running joke, and it's kinda annoying. Not sure if it's meant as a distraction or something, or just to add fun to the game (ineffectively here).
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I'm sure Derekku's role differs SOMEHOW from 0_o's. One of them may be lying, but both are kinda believable. I don't know LS enough to know if she'd add a silly role like Twilight Brownie though.
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Here, I seemed to have misread Derekku's post. Still, the above (thing???) applies.
Not seeing much, really. I skipped over the longer posts because I don't feel like reading them. It'd take an hour. =[
T'was a joke.
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I missed the "All the cops in the house scan yourself today/night!" line.
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Did I spell strait right? Or is it something else? Hmm...
I think it's straight.
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WIFOM: Trying to "disprove" the possibility of him (Derekku) being a Sibling by saying "jkjk" ?
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(Senseless reply) Then it'd be NM, which is reserved for Newbie Mafia. Current convention is NSM.
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Derekku continues with his running joke, and it's kinda annoying. Not sure if it's meant as a distraction or something, or just to add fun to the game (ineffectively here).
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I'm sure Derekku's role differs SOMEHOW from 0_o's. One of them may be lying, but both are kinda believable. I don't know LS enough to know if she'd add a silly role like Twilight Brownie though.
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Here, I seemed to have misread Derekku's post. Still, the above (thing???) applies.
Not seeing much, really. I skipped over the longer posts because I don't feel like reading them. It'd take an hour. =[
wat I seriously was just joking. It wasn't even Day 1 yet :<strager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=166470#p166470
WIFOM: Trying to "disprove" the possibility of him (Derekku) being a Sibling by saying "jkjk" ?
The random vote random vote random vote random vote thing gets a little boring after a while, so I tried to have a little fun with my role. Why didn't you attack anyone else for their jokes and fun? FOS strag-*gets shot* I didn't mean it as a distraction, and if anyone thought it was, then I'm sorry for having funstrager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=166996#p166996
Derekku continues with his running joke, and it's kinda annoying. Not sure if it's meant as a distraction or something, or just to add fun to the game (ineffectively here).
I think she would xd ("Vanilla Townie" does get kinda boring after a while...)strager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=167008#p167008
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I'm sure Derekku's role differs SOMEHOW from 0_o's. One of them may be lying, but both are kinda believable. I don't know LS enough to know if she'd add a silly role like Twilight Brownie though.
fffffffffffff I knew you'd bring this up again. I've already answered you. Regardless of what sillyness LS added to this game, I (and most likely 0_o) are "townies". Let it be vanilla, twilight, or brownie.strager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=167091#p167091
Here, I seemed to have misread Derekku's post. Still, the above (thing???) applies.
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It wasn't that others were distracting. It was just that yours mostly interrupted my thoughts.Derekku Chan wrote:
The random vote random vote random vote random vote thing gets a little boring after a while, so I tried to have a little fun with my role. Why didn't you attack anyone else for their jokes and fun? FOS strag-*gets shot* I didn't mean it as a distraction, and if anyone thought it was, then I'm sorry for having funstrager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=166996#p166996
Derekku continues with his running joke, and it's kinda annoying. Not sure if it's meant as a distraction or something, or just to add fun to the game (ineffectively here).
Again?Derekku Chan wrote:
fffffffffffff I knew you'd bring this up again.strager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=167091#p167091
Here, I seemed to have misread Derekku's post. Still, the above (thing???) applies.
I agree, but I kinda let it be. It's not like the vote does anything serious for now (like all random votes). Because the argument was defunt (I think) a bandwagon didn't follow.0_o wrote:
Also SFG you can't do a serious vote then go "oh ok never mind, it's a random vote now". It doesn't work that way
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Just like 0_o said, we know how you act. You're strager x3Derekku Chan wrote:
Againstrager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=167091#p167091
Here, I seemed to have misread Derekku's post. Still, the above (thing???) applies.
fffffffffffff I knew you'd bring this up again.
I only pointed it out to show that I had made a mistake in that post. I wasn't re-asking the question.
So why'd you said "again?"
Someone pointed out that maybe Brownie == Cop.
I just saw there is a Backup role on MafiaWiki. Seems possible for 0_o or Derekku.
EDIT: That, or a Deputy. Seems a 0_o-SFG or Derekku-SFG link would be possible.
(Just wanted to post a finding; not suspecting anyone or anything.)
EDIT: D'oh, just realized that making this public probably helps the Mafia. I'm not one to remove (posted) information, so I won't delete this post's contents, but I'll stop adding to it. =X
I just saw there is a Backup role on MafiaWiki. Seems possible for 0_o or Derekku.
EDIT: That, or a Deputy. Seems a 0_o-SFG or Derekku-SFG link would be possible.
(Just wanted to post a finding; not suspecting anyone or anything.)
EDIT: D'oh, just realized that making this public probably helps the Mafia. I'm not one to remove (posted) information, so I won't delete this post's contents, but I'll stop adding to it. =X
There's just something about strager's behaviour that screams "mafia" at me but I can't quite put my finger on it :/
Maybe it's just a trick of light...
Maybe it's just a trick of light...
it seems to me that if strager were mafia, instead of posting his findings and leaving them there he would be sharing them privately with his mafia friend or, if game contains only one mafia, keeping them to himself.
im going to tentatively clear strager in my head.
also
unvote
vote Lucidity
>w< talk!
im going to tentatively clear strager in my head.
also
unvote
vote Lucidity
>w< talk!
He could just be overposting to be seen as a non-lurker though...I know that a gut feeling is probably not the best thing to go by in this game, but my gut is telling me strager is Mafia -.- My previous post highlights some non-concrete things :/Saturos-fangirl wrote:
it seems to me that if strager were mafia, instead of posting his findings and leaving them there he would be sharing them privately with his mafia friend or, if game contains only one mafia, keeping them to himself.
I should talk more? Other than strager I've probably written the most? -.- In terms of post count I might not be the highest, but most of the posts so far have been rubbish. Quality over quantity to be honest...You also need to realise that we're in completely different time zones. I never seem to be online with the Americans, so don't expect a lot of instant replies in the conversations that you have during your night.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
also
unvote
vote Lucidity
>w< talk!
Anyway, gonna have a read through of the thread and post some thoughts.
Based on the past ways that strager has acted, I think that he's acting "normal". Thanks for the information, strager. I had completely forgotten about roles that gain power that they don't have at the start. Maybe I am one, then, who knows? Only time will tell.
I think I still have my (random) vote on uhhh adam? So I'll just go ahead and Unvote since random votes are pointless :3
I think I still have my (random) vote on uhhh adam? So I'll just go ahead and Unvote since random votes are pointless :3
dude why are you guys getting on strager's back? He's acting perfectly legit and you're all like "well i have this sneaking suspicion that hes mafia hurr"
scumpainting much? and you both agree...i think i see two mafia members
vote remains on Lucidity
FOS on Echo
scumpainting much? and you both agree...i think i see two mafia members
vote remains on Lucidity
FOS on Echo
And the same could be said about you defending strager. Excessively even. :/
If you think about it, it's highly unlikely that both me and Echo are Mafia in this game as we were the two Mafia in Newbie Mafia 3 as well...Should I not agree with his perfectly logical "anti-info barfing" point of view purely because I would be seen as scum? In fact Mafia members would try to distance themselves from each other would they not? Reasoning behind accusation denied -_-
In the only unkown-role game that I've played with strager he was definitely NOT this keen on finding roles. He barely posted at all. I think he was a Cop in BM1? This is the total reverse O_o
If you think about it, it's highly unlikely that both me and Echo are Mafia in this game as we were the two Mafia in Newbie Mafia 3 as well...Should I not agree with his perfectly logical "anti-info barfing" point of view purely because I would be seen as scum? In fact Mafia members would try to distance themselves from each other would they not? Reasoning behind accusation denied -_-
In the only unkown-role game that I've played with strager he was definitely NOT this keen on finding roles. He barely posted at all. I think he was a Cop in BM1? This is the total reverse O_o
If you know anything about probability then you'd know that since the two games are independent events, then their probabilities are also independent.Lucidity wrote:
If you think about it, it's highly unlikely that both me and Echo are Mafia in this game as we were the two Mafia in Newbie Mafia 3 as well
Lets say you roll a dice, and it comes up a six. Does this mean if you roll another one, it's less likely to be a six than any other number? Each number would still have an equal chance of of being rolled, regardless of what was rolled before.
Anyway, I actually don't think there is more than one mafia this game, personally I think it's too small for that.. but I guess we won't find out for sure till tomorrow =/
Izit?
Let's look at it closely shall we?
The probability of Echo and I being Mafia in this game is:
1/[7C2] = 0.0476
The probability of Echo and I being Mafia in NM3 and NSM is:
1/[7C2] * 1/[9C2] = 0.00132
That's 36 times smaller ~_~
Let's look at it closely shall we?
The probability of Echo and I being Mafia in this game is:
1/[7C2] = 0.0476
The probability of Echo and I being Mafia in NM3 and NSM is:
1/[7C2] * 1/[9C2] = 0.00132
That's 36 times smaller ~_~
I don't have time to post much.
Gotta go...
I know it's not a defense, but that's WIFOM.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
it seems to me that if strager were mafia, instead of posting his findings and leaving them there he would be sharing them privately with his mafia friend or, if game contains only one mafia, keeping them to himself.
?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
dude why are you guys getting on strager's back? He's acting perfectly legit and you're all like "well i have this sneaking suspicion that hes mafia hurr"
Logical fallacy IIRC, as 0_o pointed out.Lucidity wrote:
If you think about it, it's highly unlikely that both me and Echo are Mafia in this game as we were the two Mafia in Newbie Mafia 3 as well...
I was a Cop, yes. The game was so large I didn't care about roles until it got much smaller, where the game is easier to work with.Lucidity wrote:
In the only unkown-role game that I've played with strager he was definitely NOT this keen on finding roles. He barely posted at all. I think he was a Cop in BM1? This is the total reverse O_o
Gotta go...
game is seven people, right?0_o wrote:
If you know anything about probability then you'd know that since the two games are independent events, then their probabilities are also independent.Lucidity wrote:
If you think about it, it's highly unlikely that both me and Echo are Mafia in this game as we were the two Mafia in Newbie Mafia 3 as well
Lets say you roll a dice, and it comes up a six. Does this mean if you roll another one, it's less likely to be a six than any other number? Each number would still have an equal chance of of being rolled, regardless of what was rolled before.
Anyway, I actually don't think there is more than one mafia this game, personally I think it's too small for that.. but I guess we won't find out for sure till tomorrow =/
*checks*
yeah so its the same size as the newbie mafia games.
which, i might point out, had two mafia members each.
this is why i think this is a two-mafia game.
also@Echo, Lucidity, im not talking about you two "buddying" im talking about you both say strager is mafia based on "gut feelings" - maybe you thought you could bandwagon a vote on him? youre being pretty stupid about it.
That's only if you don't know the outcome of both games. The probability of rolling 2 sixes is (1*6) * (1*6) = 1/36, but if you are given that the first roll is a six, then the first roll has a probability of 1, making the equation 1 * 1/6 = 1/6.Lucidity wrote:
The probability of Echo and I being Mafia in NM3 and NSM is:
1/[7C2] * 1/[9C2] = 0.00132
That's 36 times smaller ~_~
Also by your logic, any pair of us has a 0.00132 chance of being mafia. The probability of you and Echo being mafia in the first game, followed by say, me and strager being mafia in the second game is exactly the same.
Heh, you're quite right 0_o. The probability of Echo and I being Mafia partners in this game in isolation is the same as any other combination of 2 people. You're looking at P(B|A) when that is obviously equal to P(B) if A and B are independent events. You have to consider the purpose of the calculation though. You're calculating something different.
What I'm suggesting is that you look at a longer time horizon. The probability of Echo and I being partners in 2 games is equal to P(B)*P(A). There is no point in assuming Event A is given, because we're not just looking at this game. I'm saying that picking Echo and I in two consecutive games is less likely than being picked in one game. I don't know how else to explain this, but I am quite confident that my method is correct. I used to get firsts (A's or whatever you want to call it) in my undergrad for this basic probability theory.
I have no idea how LadySuburu assigns roles. It might not even be completely random so the point is moot.
Anyway, we're straying way off course here. The difference is that you're calculating the probability of the event in this game in isolation and I'm considering the event across two games. If you disagree I think we should leave it at that. We've wasted enough posts on it
It is certainly not helping us catch the Mafia. Was fun though ;p
What I'm suggesting is that you look at a longer time horizon. The probability of Echo and I being partners in 2 games is equal to P(B)*P(A). There is no point in assuming Event A is given, because we're not just looking at this game. I'm saying that picking Echo and I in two consecutive games is less likely than being picked in one game. I don't know how else to explain this, but I am quite confident that my method is correct. I used to get firsts (A's or whatever you want to call it) in my undergrad for this basic probability theory.
I have no idea how LadySuburu assigns roles. It might not even be completely random so the point is moot.
Anyway, we're straying way off course here. The difference is that you're calculating the probability of the event in this game in isolation and I'm considering the event across two games. If you disagree I think we should leave it at that. We've wasted enough posts on it
It is certainly not helping us catch the Mafia. Was fun though ;pWeren't there nine players in the newbie mafias? I'm too lazy to check X3
Regardless, I think there's two mafia =<
Regardless, I think there's two mafia =<
Yeah there were. Dunno why SFG thinks it's 7 O_o?Derekku Chan wrote:
Weren't there nine players in the newbie mafias? I'm too lazy to check X3
Regardless, I think there's two mafia =<
If there are 2 Mafia in this game and we lynch a townie today we're in LyLo in Day 2 (Assuming the Doctor (if one exists?) fails to protect). Unless she had a really short game planned I don't think LS would do this.
This means we either have only 1 Mafia or there is an abundance of Cops around to counter the bigger Mafia threat. If the Cop claims are all truthful then we probably do have 2 Mafia -.- But at least one of the "Cops" probably lied :/ And there's really no point in speculating about it, because we'll know what's going on when LS announces LyLo (or not) in Day 2.
Just compare these two scenarios, listed are the mafias for each game (completely hypothetical)
a) M1: You, Echo | M2: You, Echo
b) M1: You, Echo | M2: adam, SFG
Do the calculations, the probabilities of a) and b) happening are exactly the same, no matter which pair you come up with for M2 in the b) scenario.
Going back to the dice roll example: if you roll a dice three times, the probability of rolling 4,1,2 (in order) is exactly the same as rolling 3,3,3 no matter which way you look at it. Seeing as our role assignments are random, this pretty much is a dice roll, so by your logic you are saying that if a die rolls a 3, then the die is less likely to roll a 3 on the next roll.
And yes this does matter, because you are using this "logic" to say you and Echo and very likely not to be Mafia, when you have statistically the exact same probability as any other pair.
What you are saying is listed in MafiaScum as Gambler's Fallacy.
a) M1: You, Echo | M2: You, Echo
b) M1: You, Echo | M2: adam, SFG
Do the calculations, the probabilities of a) and b) happening are exactly the same, no matter which pair you come up with for M2 in the b) scenario.
Going back to the dice roll example: if you roll a dice three times, the probability of rolling 4,1,2 (in order) is exactly the same as rolling 3,3,3 no matter which way you look at it. Seeing as our role assignments are random, this pretty much is a dice roll, so by your logic you are saying that if a die rolls a 3, then the die is less likely to roll a 3 on the next roll.
And yes this does matter, because you are using this "logic" to say you and Echo and very likely not to be Mafia, when you have statistically the exact same probability as any other pair.
What you are saying is listed in MafiaScum as Gambler's Fallacy.
if you thought one of us cops (assuming adam wasnt lying) was mafia, why aren't you voting for one of us? 1 cop for 1 mafia is a good trade.Lucidity wrote:
This means we either have only 1 Mafia or there is an abundance of Cops around to counter the bigger Mafia threat. If the Cop claims are all truthful then we probably do have 2 Mafia -.- But at least one of the "Cops" probably lied :/ And there's really no point in speculating about it, because we'll know what's going on when LS announces LyLo (or not) in Day 2.
@0_o: As I said, you're quite right. :p I was referring to P(A)*P(B) which is smaller than P(B), but I didn't consider that it is equal for any alternative combination in this game too, so yeah it doesn't really mean much~ I'll concede that we're just as likely Mafia as anyone else~ (I haven't done this in 3 years ok!:p)
@SFG: Sure it's a good trade if we know that there is only 1 Cop. We don't. Both of you might be Cops. Until Day 2 we won't know how many Mafia there are either. The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.
I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.
Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?
In comparison adam has provided information about his role that LS later confirmed to be true. I don't know how he would know it otherwise.
@SFG: Sure it's a good trade if we know that there is only 1 Cop. We don't. Both of you might be Cops. Until Day 2 we won't know how many Mafia there are either. The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.
I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.
Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?
In comparison adam has provided information about his role that LS later confirmed to be true. I don't know how he would know it otherwise.
Sorry I missed the link >: How does Brownie == cop?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Derekku Chan wrote:
Role Claim: Twilight Brownie
I'm delicious <3
wait this just struck me
brownie == cop?
or are you just joking around o0
haha I'm glad you said something, because I didn't get this eitherLucidity wrote:
Sorry I missed the link >: How does Brownie == cop?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Derekku Chan wrote:
Role Claim: Twilight Brownie
I'm delicious <3
wait this just struck me
brownie == cop?
or are you just joking around o0
Kids and their newfangled slang...@sfg:
strager's spent most of his posts speculating about the game setup rather than the game, and combined it with rolefishing. Although he did that last game(s?), there just seems to be more of it in this game than usual. strager's also speculating about what roles can do - eg. roles that gain powers, etc. with absolutely no proof at all, AND such things can never be proved while the game is still running. A wrong guess at the game setup can easily be disastrous for town. We're wasting precious time on such things.
In short:
also less maths, more play plz.
strager's spent most of his posts speculating about the game setup rather than the game, and combined it with rolefishing. Although he did that last game(s?), there just seems to be more of it in this game than usual. strager's also speculating about what roles can do - eg. roles that gain powers, etc. with absolutely no proof at all, AND such things can never be proved while the game is still running. A wrong guess at the game setup can easily be disastrous for town. We're wasting precious time on such things.
In short:
- speculating about setup - scumtell
- rolefishing - scumtell
- misdirecting town attention - scumtell
also less maths, more play plz.
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mod: Are the mafia allowed to PM eachother at twilight/during the day? (assuming there are more than one mafia)
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If there are two or more mafia, or any masonry groups, they will commune during twilight.0_o wrote:
mod: Are the mafia allowed to PM eachother at twilight/during the day? (assuming there are more than one mafia)
greeeeaaat plan. lets go and kill off the cop to make sure hes a cop and hope the person he happened to scan was mafia. why didnt i think of that?Lucidity wrote:
@SFG: Sure it's a good trade if we know that there is only 1 Cop. We don't. Both of you might be Cops. Until Day 2 we won't know how many Mafia there are either. The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.
I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.D: of course im still uninformed i havent had a chance to investigate anyone yet! geez, i cant pull results out of my hat you know.
Well i suppose i could but they wouldnt be very helpful cus thatd be me making stuff up. thats more what i would be doing if i were mafia =.=;
Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?sorry i figured while strager was having a q&a session i might as well join in. it hadnt occurred to me to pm.
Brownie or Brownjob is a slang term for cop in parts of the US and some fiction series', based on the brown uniforms they wear. I guess what is obvious to me is not necessarily obvious to others.Sorry I missed the link >: How does Brownie == cop?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
wait this just struck me
brownie == cop?
or are you just joking around o0
yeah we're wasting our precious random vote session while we muddle around trying to figure out what to talk about =.=;Echo wrote:
@sfg:
strager's spent most of his posts speculating about the game setup rather than the game, and combined it with rolefishing. Although he did that last game(s?), there just seems to be more of it in this game than usual. strager's also speculating about what roles can do - eg. roles that gain powers, etc. with absolutely no proof at all, AND such things can never be proved while the game is still running. A wrong guess at the game setup can easily be disastrous for town. We're wasting precious time on such things.
Lucidity also raises some good points about you (sfg) - why do you seem to know absolutely nothing about your supposed cop role?obviously i was concerned because my cop role is different from adam's. specifically, adam is (supposedly) a Day Cop whereas I am a Twilight Cop. Thus the investigations happen at different times and i was confused by the different setup and thought adam was making things up. im still not sure he isnt but you two have persuaded me that he might be telling the truth.
as for the me not trying to take action, i hadnt exactly tracked down the part where Subi said i couldnt take action on T0 but i remembered seeing it, which is why i didnt attempt and couldnt prove offhand that i couldnt take action on T0.
If you read my entire post and the post it was aimed at as a reply (SFG's suggestion) you'd understand it better maybe. Please rereadstrager wrote:
How is that safe? We only get one investigation from adam that way, and hopefully another from SFG if she makes it to D2. Maybe even none if adam is Naive or Paranoid (or lying about his role, but if that were true, he'd probably be the Mafia and we'd win anyway).Lucidity wrote:
The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.
If both Cop claimers are kept alive, and at least one of them remains alive for D2 (likely; hopefully adam stays alive, as he can bring results before Twilight), we can get two or three investigations by D2. However, we don't know the sanities, but that can be found out if either or both Cops are killed by D3, LyLo.
I think it's better to try and keep the Cops alive for at least D2 so they can have as many investigations as they can. Thus, I'm not voting either of the two for now.
Pay particular close attention to: "The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy...":\ She keeps defending you. You keep defending her. Get a room guys ;pstrager wrote:
Maybe so, but I'm giving SFG the benefit of the doubt here, for today. Again, the Cops would be better alive D2 than dead.Lucidity wrote:
I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.
Horrid defence this time though! You did the same thing and admitted that it was to the detriment of the town. Why does it make it all better if she does it? Furthermore you were trying to find out about roles in general. SFG was fishing for info on the Cop role. The role she claims to be. A role she can safely enquire about via PM without giving the Mafia valuable information. That's not on.strager wrote:
I did the same thing, to a greater degree, even.Lucidity wrote:
Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?
Justifying "guessing" with more guessing? That's a nono. We should try to work with what we've been given as much as possible. Any guesses should not be given TOO much weight.strager wrote:
I agree, which is why I stopped myself. I don't think it's THAT much of a risk that we would lose because of a guess/hunch/whatever, as we have at least three Days to catch the Mafia (assuming there's only one).Echo wrote:
A wrong guess at the game setup can easily be disastrous for town. We're wasting precious time on such things.
edit: Ninja'd D:
Everyone who has role claimed so far has had a special prefix or other change to it (Day Cop, Twilight Townie, Twilight Brownie (?)), except for SFG, who just said she was a "cop". Since adam says he's a Day Cop, I would think the cops would either be told they are a Twilight or Day cop. Why didn't SFG specify one of these in her initial role claim? I think it's quite possible SFG made an early claim just to appear confident in her role, but didn't have the knowledge of the existence of Twilight/Day cops at the time
vote SFG
vote SFG
Unofficial Vote Count
Derekku - 1 (adam)
strager - 1 (Echo)
Lucidity - 1 (SFG)
SFG - 1 (0_o)
Derekku - 1 (adam)
strager - 1 (Echo)
Lucidity - 1 (SFG)
SFG - 1 (0_o)
0_o wrote:
Everyone who has role claimed so far has had a special prefix or other change to it (Day Cop, Twilight Townie, Twilight Brownie (?)), except for SFG, who just said she was a "cop". Since adam says he's a Day Cop, I would think the cops would either be told they are a Twilight or Day cop. Why didn't SFG specify one of these in her initial role claim? I think it's quite possible SFG made an early claim just to appear confident in her role, but didn't have the knowledge of the existence of Twilight/Day cops at the time
failSFG wrote:
obviously i was concerned because my cop role is different from adam's. specifically, adam is (supposedly) a Day Cop whereas I am a Twilight Cop.
You did think of that? You're the one who suggested the trade here? I'm the one who said it's only a good plan in a setup where the roles are known? Yeah, I elaborated on a strat to follow if we did go this route, but I didn't suggest we use it and I didn't vote adam. I was simply sharing some thoughts.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
greeeeaaat plan. lets go and kill off the cop to make sure hes a cop and hope the person he happened to scan was mafia. why didnt i think of that?Lucidity wrote:
@SFG: Sure it's a good trade if we know that there is only 1 Cop. We don't. Both of you might be Cops. Until Day 2 we won't know how many Mafia there are either. The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.
You misunderstood. You are uninformed about your role, the very thing that you should know most about. I find this highly suspicious and the fact that you asked about it in the thread is even more suspicious :/Saturos-fangirl wrote:
I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.D: of course im still uninformed i havent had a chance to investigate anyone yet! geez, i cant pull results out of my hat you know.
Well i suppose i could but they wouldnt be very helpful cus thatd be me making stuff up. thats more what i would be doing if i were mafia =.=;
Hmmm.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?sorry i figured while strager was having a q&a session i might as well join in. it hadnt occurred to me to pm.
Yeah...Police officers here wear blue. (Actually it depends on what type of cop but ya. No brown)Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Brownie or Brownjob is a slang term for cop in parts of the US and some fiction series', based on the brown uniforms they wear. I guess what is obvious to me is not necessarily obvious to others.
SFG has taken strager's spot and shot to the top of my suspect list. The fact that she may be a Cop makes it hard to vote for her though :/
Ninja'd again :OSaturos-fangirl wrote:
0_o wrote:
Everyone who has role claimed so far has had a special prefix or other change to it (Day Cop, Twilight Townie, Twilight Brownie (?)), except for SFG, who just said she was a "cop". Since adam says he's a Day Cop, I would think the cops would either be told they are a Twilight or Day cop. Why didn't SFG specify one of these in her initial role claim? I think it's quite possible SFG made an early claim just to appear confident in her role, but didn't have the knowledge of the existence of Twilight/Day cops at the timefailSFG wrote:
obviously i was concerned because my cop role is different from adam's. specifically, adam is (supposedly) a Day Cop whereas I am a Twilight Cop.
Here's your initial claim:
oh right i want this discussion started fast soAnd your second claim:
Claim: Cop
oh i actually meant to claim copYou only mentioned "Twilight Cop" now on page 11. After everyone claimed their special roles. The mention of "Twilight Cop" was also necessary to differentiate between Day Cop and your supposed role in that quote. All in all, not a very strong defence from your side :/
Explain? :/
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
fail
Of course you know now that you should be a twilight cop, but why didn't you say so when you first claimed? If adam was told he's a day cop, you should have been told you were a twilight cop, and if you were you would have specifically said so when you first claimed. The fact that you were so suspicious of adam's claim of Day Cop also supports this.0_o wrote:
Why didn't SFG specify one of these in her initial role claim?
i thought it was obvious that a cop in a nightless game would act in twilight rather than at night =.= obviously i was horribly mistaken0_o wrote:
Of course you know now that you should be a twilight cop, but why didn't you say so when you first claimed? If adam was told he's a day cop, you should have been told you were a twilight cop, and if you were you would have specifically said so when you first claimed. The fact that you were so suspicious of adam's claim of Day Cop also supports this.
Yeah, I reread it and now I understand what you were saying. Still, I think my points apply (as alternative options).Lucidity wrote:
If you read my entire post and the post it was aimed at as a reply (SFG's suggestion) you'd understand it better maybe. Please rereadstrager wrote:
How is that safe? We only get one investigation from adam that way, and hopefully another from SFG if she makes it to D2. Maybe even none if adam is Naive or Paranoid (or lying about his role, but if that were true, he'd probably be the Mafia and we'd win anyway).Lucidity wrote:
The safest option to pursue if we followed this strategy would be to vote adam, as he is a Day cop and can then investigate before he is lynched, reveal his results and have it confirmed when he dies.
If both Cop claimers are kept alive, and at least one of them remains alive for D2 (likely; hopefully adam stays alive, as he can bring results before Twilight), we can get two or three investigations by D2. However, we don't know the sanities, but that can be found out if either or both Cops are killed by D3, LyLo.
I think it's better to try and keep the Cops alive for at least D2 so they can have as many investigations as they can. Thus, I'm not voting either of the two for now.
I'm defending her (really, I'm just saying I'm not voting for her; she's not cleared any more than anyone else) because she claimed Cop. Only she and LS and some lucky spectators know if there's truth in the claim, but I don't want to (help) make the mistake of lynching a Cop.Lucidity wrote:
:\ She keeps defending you. You keep defending her. Get a room guys ;pstrager wrote:
Maybe so, but I'm giving SFG the benefit of the doubt here, for today. Again, the Cops would be better alive D2 than dead.Lucidity wrote:
I am leaning towards you being a fake Cop though. You just seem too uninformed to be one :/ Examples are here and here.
How does it make it worse, as you imply in your original post I quote?Lucidity wrote:
Horrid defence this time though! You did the same thing and admitted that it was to the detriment of the town. Why does it make it all better if she does it?strager wrote:
I did the same thing, to a greater degree, even.Lucidity wrote:
Here (and following posts) she is fishing for info on what a Cop (Her role) can do. Why not ask about it in a PM instead of giving it to the Mafia in the thread? Unless she's Mafia looking for info?
Orly?Lucidity wrote:
Furthermore you were trying to find out about roles in general. SFG was fishing for info on the Cop role. The role she claims to be. A role she can safely enquire about via PM without giving the Mafia valuable information. That's not on.
viewtopic.php?p=167122#p167122
viewtopic.php?p=166987#p166987
viewtopic.php?p=167144#p167144
viewtopic.php?p=167158#p167158
Then I kinda stop (viewtopic.php?p=167192#p167192).
Wha? I agree with your last sentence, which is why I said "I don't think it's THAT much of a risk that we would lose because of a guess/hunch/whatever [...]."Lucidity wrote:
Justifying "guessing" with more guessing? That's a nono. We should try to work with what we've been given as much as possible. Any guesses should not be given TOO much weight.strager wrote:
I agree, which is why I stopped myself. I don't think it's THAT much of a risk that we would lose because of a guess/hunch/whatever, as we have at least three Days to catch the Mafia (assuming there's only one).Echo wrote:
A wrong guess at the game setup can easily be disastrous for town. We're wasting precious time on such things.
Donner, bbl.
edit: sniped
That's not true - if your role had been stated as "Night Cop" you'd've said you were "Night Cop"; I don't see why you wouldn't have said "Twilight Cop" if your role had said so.
Even though this is setup speculation, I'm sure everyone here would agree 3 cops doesn't sound quite right
That's not true - if your role had been stated as "Night Cop" you'd've said you were "Night Cop"; I don't see why you wouldn't have said "Twilight Cop" if your role had said so.
Even though this is setup speculation, I'm sure everyone here would agree 3 cops doesn't sound quite right
edit: Post aimed at strager.
Saa~ Did you ONLY ask about Cops? Sure the majority was focused on it, but it wasn't an exclusive interest. I'm going to bed now, so I'm not going to reread the thread again to find counter examples -.-
You're missing the point though. SFG claimed to be a Cop. You didn't. She could PM LadySuburu to her heart's content and find out everything she possibly wanted. Her role PM would probably have specified most of the things she wanted to know anyway. The point is it's suspicious of a Cop to be so clueless~Throwing around exactly how her role works in the thread is also very risky...
Saa~ Did you ONLY ask about Cops? Sure the majority was focused on it, but it wasn't an exclusive interest. I'm going to bed now, so I'm not going to reread the thread again to find counter examples -.-
You're missing the point though. SFG claimed to be a Cop. You didn't. She could PM LadySuburu to her heart's content and find out everything she possibly wanted. Her role PM would probably have specified most of the things she wanted to know anyway. The point is it's suspicious of a Cop to be so clueless~Throwing around exactly how her role works in the thread is also very risky...
Actually I think strager's initial "claim" was a joke (in this post he does not say he's a cop)Echo wrote:
Even though this is setup speculation, I'm sure everyone here would agree 3 cops doesn't sound quite right
I just realized this as well, I even had an entire post about how strager and SFG were the mafia, then I read that and now it's just SFG
Wait so only adam and SFG officially claimed cop now?
Can I remind you that Night 0 (or Twilight in this case) is a part of the game - it's a chance to discuss in advance? I won't accept anyone saying that they were "just joking around" in T0.
Can I remind you that Night 0 (or Twilight in this case) is a part of the game - it's a chance to discuss in advance? I won't accept anyone saying that they were "just joking around" in T0.
About my claim, I thought I clarified here: viewtopic.php?p=167805#p167805
Wow, I just realized I missed a few posts. /me reads.
Nothing to comment on, though I'm slightly less believing SFG now, to the point where I'm not not going to vote for her today. Still, I'd like to keep a claimed Cop alive until D2.
I was going with the "re-roleclaim if you're serious" thing by Derekku, which everyone else followed. (Hmm, what did Echo call that again?)strager wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=166463#p166463
T'was a joke.
I don't see how that matters. If SFG asked a question here about another role, would that change your mind about pointing SFG's question out? No.Lucidity wrote:
Saa~ Did you ONLY ask about Cops? Sure the majority was focused on it, but it wasn't an exclusive interest. I'm going to bed now, so I'm not going to reread the thread again to find counter examples -.-
It's risky, but there are many possibilities, including:Lucidity wrote:
You're missing the point though. SFG claimed to be a Cop. You didn't. She could PM LadySuburu to her heart's content and find out everything she possibly wanted. Her role PM would probably have specified most of the things she wanted to know anyway. The point is it's suspicious of a Cop to be so clueless~Throwing around exactly how her role works in the thread is also very risky...
- She was fitting in with the questions I was asking.
- She didn't realize she was making her question public and possibly helping the Mafia.
- She did realize she was making her question public and was trying to help the Town (and perhaps adam, though I don't think the question she asked applies to him).
- She was trying to expand upon my previous question about investigating dead people. (Possible way to find her sanity or land a useful investigation.)
Wow, I just realized I missed a few posts. /me reads.
Nothing to comment on, though I'm slightly less believing SFG now, to the point where I'm not not going to vote for her today. Still, I'd like to keep a claimed Cop alive until D2.
i think he was trying to start discussion, as were most of us. its super hard to scumhunt people if theres no discussion going onEcho wrote:
Wait so only adam and SFG officially claimed cop now?
Can I remind you that Night 0 (or Twilight in this case) is a part of the game - it's a chance to discuss in advance? I won't accept anyone saying that they were "just joking around" in T0.
edit: fix'd
Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on
oh whoops thats supposed to say scumhunt srystrager wrote:
Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on
You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?Saturos-fangirl wrote:
oh whoops thats supposed to say scumhunt srystrager wrote:
Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.Saturos-fangirl wrote:
its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on
..? a while? thats the first time ive mentioned it and accidental at thatstrager wrote:
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?
My bad, you only said it once before: viewtopic.php?p=166970#p166970Saturos-fangirl wrote:
..? a while? thats the first time ive mentioned it and accidental at thatstrager wrote:
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?
Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Lucidity, Echo, adam, i want you guys to start talking so i can scumpaint people
strager wrote:
My bad, you only said it once before: viewtopic.php?p=166970#p166970Saturos-fangirl wrote:
Lucidity, Echo, adam, i want you guys to start talking so i can scumpaint people
k imma go bang my head against a wall for a while and hopefully knock some intelligence back into it....
strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?
its called protecting the cops cus they can investigate people and you cant...unless theres something you arent telling usEcho wrote:
strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?
Again, I don't want adam or SFG to be killed D1/N1 so we can have enough investigations. We can lynch adam if he gets a flipped vote D2, find his sanity, and win the game, for example. (If adam is the Mafia, we win anyway.)Echo wrote:
strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?
I would be doing the same for adam, but he's not talking much or being attacked.
There's no need to defend possible cops? There wasn't any danger - I'm not voting them, I'm just pointing out possible inconsistencies. You guys seem way too jumpy.
Let me ask you a question then - who do you think we should lynch today then?
Let me ask you a question then - who do you think we should lynch today then?
No idea, hence me not having a vote yet. No one stands out really.Echo wrote:
Let me ask you a question then - who do you think we should lynch today then?
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Oh, shit.
I dunno. @_@
Mod: I'd like an official vote count, please.
I dunno. @_@
Mod: I'd like an official vote count, please.
And it's four to lynch, right? We'd need at least two votes on one person, otherwise it's a no-lynch. In fact, a no-lynch may be useful for the Cops to investigate, but it gives the Mafia a chance to hit both if there is no Doctor around (which is bad bad bad).
no lynch on odd numbers is bad, both statistically (which you definitely know) and in terms of scumhunting since votes and reasons for voting reveal much about people
why would you even suggest a no lynch then negate that suggestion by saying it's bad?
why would you even suggest a no lynch then negate that suggestion by saying it's bad?
adam, have you made an investigation yet? If you have now's the time to say something...
I'm saying a no-lynch will happen if two votes aren't on one person. See what happened in BM1.Echo wrote:
why would you even suggest a no lynch then negate that suggestion by saying it's bad?
I agree with 0_o, because we can test sanities that way. That is, lynch the person who adam investigates and compare it with the role of the lynched person. That will reduce it down to two possible sanities.
im gonna lol if adam doesnt say anything before deadline
also vote strager
see, now if nothing happens we still lynch someone ^_^
also vote strager
see, now if nothing happens we still lynch someone ^_^
How come everyone always wants to knock off strager first day, he was first one lynched in both M3 and M4 >_>
i just think we have better chances if we lynch today even if its a random lynch. see Echo's post
Now you're trying to frame me if strager turns out innocent :/
uh hello? what i said had nothing to do with you and everything to do with probability/good general strategy. you just happened to be the person to mention itEcho wrote:
Now you're trying to frame me if strager turns out innocent :/
I'm kinda stuck between Echo, Lucidity, and SFG now.
Echo seems pretty lax, like in BM1 and M3, but unlike in M2. In BM1 and M3 he was a Mafia (right? I think), and in M2 he was the Cop. Also, there's that logic about helping the Mafia with information, but even if I agree with him, he did bring that point up in BM1, and I'm not sure if he did M2 (or if the situation called for it). Meta-playing is kinda weak as an argument, though.
Lucidity doesn't (to me) have sense in his reasons for arguing his points. (That's poorly worded; hope you get the meaning.) He could be trying to scumpaint, trying to do something to help the town, or do something to seem to help the town.
SFG's been acting weird today (in Earth days). Pretty suspicious. Still, I don't want to regret a lynch of a Cop.
On the others:
0_o, uh, I forget. Oh, right, he claimed Twilight Townie. No idea. In a similar situation as Derekku. That is, undecided.
adam needs to speak a bit more, especially of his investigation results.
Derekku had a weird claim, and it's pretty wild. He could be claiming such an eccentric role to alleviate suspicion. Of course, he could be telling the truth, too. WIFOM, I think? Nothing for or against him I think.
With that, I'll vote: Lucidity, awaiting adam's investigation results.
Echo seems pretty lax, like in BM1 and M3, but unlike in M2. In BM1 and M3 he was a Mafia (right? I think), and in M2 he was the Cop. Also, there's that logic about helping the Mafia with information, but even if I agree with him, he did bring that point up in BM1, and I'm not sure if he did M2 (or if the situation called for it). Meta-playing is kinda weak as an argument, though.
Lucidity doesn't (to me) have sense in his reasons for arguing his points. (That's poorly worded; hope you get the meaning.) He could be trying to scumpaint, trying to do something to help the town, or do something to seem to help the town.
SFG's been acting weird today (in Earth days). Pretty suspicious. Still, I don't want to regret a lynch of a Cop.
On the others:
0_o, uh, I forget. Oh, right, he claimed Twilight Townie. No idea. In a similar situation as Derekku. That is, undecided.
adam needs to speak a bit more, especially of his investigation results.
Derekku had a weird claim, and it's pretty wild. He could be claiming such an eccentric role to alleviate suspicion. Of course, he could be telling the truth, too. WIFOM, I think? Nothing for or against him I think.
With that, I'll vote: Lucidity, awaiting adam's investigation results.
ffffffff adam was just browsing this forum GET BACK HERE ADAM D:
*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
Go to hell.
Make your own decisions.
Make your own decisions.
I hope I'm not the only one who sees the irony in this statement.strager wrote:
Lucidity doesn't (to me) have sense in his reasons for arguing his points. (That's poorly worded; hope you get the meaning.)
I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/Derekku Chan wrote:
*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
Wow.
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Uhh yes? What about it?Echo wrote:
I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/Derekku Chan wrote:
*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
Okay then, I will. Vote: adam2046. You're supposed to be helping the town, but you're just making yourself more suspicious and not being useful.adam2046 wrote:
Make your own decisions.
That's some great work there.
Let's not kill SFG tonight.
Let's not kill SFG tonight.
I'll take this to mean you investigated her?adam2046 wrote:
That's some great work there.
Let's not kill SFG tonight.
unvote
Why not? Innocent result?adam2046 wrote:
Let's not kill SFG tonight.
I really don't see why you're withholding information. I really don't want a Cop claim to be lynched.
Then don't lynch me, duh.
Edit: On a side note I've had FOS: strager almost all game.
Edit: On a side note I've had FOS: strager almost all game.
unvote
vote adam
vote adam
umSaturos-fangirl wrote:
unvote
vote adam
what
vote Lucidity because I don't know when the deadline is and if it's soon I don't want adam lynched
I think it's plain to see.
What results?Derekku Chan wrote:
Uhh yes? What about it?Echo wrote:
I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/Derekku Chan wrote:
*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
My results.
^
"his results" = "adam's results"
Derekku claimed vanilla
EDIT: ninjaaa'd
"his results" = "adam's results"
Derekku claimed vanilla
EDIT: ninjaaa'd
Okay, I'm going to throw an idea out here and it'll probably get shot down.
[theory]
There are two mafia in this game. They are adam and SFG. They both claimed cop to lessen suspicion on themselves. Cops can be crucial to this game, and so usually people won't vote for them. But after a couple of days and we've "learned their sanities" (aka lies), we completely trust them, but then everyone else gets lynched and they (the mafia) win.[/theory]
I think that the best action today would be to lynch one of them and see what their role is. Truthfully, I don't even think that it's worth saving a "cop" until we've seen their results. By the time we've figured out their sanities, it's too late (like I said above). Truthfully, cops shouldn't even role claim unless they have results and are sure of them (or are mafia being crafty). This just brings more suspicious onto them.
Okay I'm tired of thinking for tonight so I'll stop here. *puts on flame shield*
[theory]
There are two mafia in this game. They are adam and SFG. They both claimed cop to lessen suspicion on themselves. Cops can be crucial to this game, and so usually people won't vote for them. But after a couple of days and we've "learned their sanities" (aka lies), we completely trust them, but then everyone else gets lynched and they (the mafia) win.[/theory]
I think that the best action today would be to lynch one of them and see what their role is. Truthfully, I don't even think that it's worth saving a "cop" until we've seen their results. By the time we've figured out their sanities, it's too late (like I said above). Truthfully, cops shouldn't even role claim unless they have results and are sure of them (or are mafia being crafty). This just brings more suspicious onto them.
Okay I'm tired of thinking for tonight so I'll stop here. *puts on flame shield*
Uhhh, I'm a townie, I don't HAVE any results ._.Echo wrote:
What results?
I don't like your idea...why would we kill me?
As a note, I try to avoid fake claiming when I'm mafia especially first day since you know, THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.
I think it'd be the stupidest strategy ever. (exceptfor some people)
As a note, I try to avoid fake claiming when I'm mafia especially first day since you know, THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.
I think it'd be the stupidest strategy ever. (exceptfor some people)
that is the stupidest idea ive ever heard. that makes you sound like mafia in my eyes. "Hey guyz lets kill the people that claim cop so they dont investigate me thats a great idea~ ^_^"Derekku Chan wrote:
Okay, I'm going to throw an idea out here and it'll probably get shot down.
[theory]
There are two mafia in this game. They are adam and SFG. They both claimed cop to lessen suspicion on themselves. Cops can be crucial to this game, and so usually people won't vote for them. But after a couple of days and we've "learned their sanities" (aka lies), we completely trust them, but then everyone else gets lynched and they (the mafia) win.[/theory]
I think that the best action today would be to lynch one of them and see what their role is. Truthfully, I don't even think that it's worth saving a "cop" until we've seen their results. By the time we've figured out their sanities, it's too late (like I said above). Truthfully, cops shouldn't even role claim unless they have results and are sure of them (or are mafia being crafty). This just brings more suspicious onto them.
Okay I'm tired of thinking for tonight so I'll stop here. *puts on flame shield*
adam2046 wrote:
I don't like your idea...why would we kill me?
As a note, I try to avoid fake claiming when I'm mafia especially first day since you know, THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.
THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.like me maybe?
GAME IS ENDING REALLY SOON SO VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT LYNCHED NOW
@adam/SFG Hey, it's better than nothing.
@SFG Feel free to scan me, but you'll just be wasting your time.
@SFG Feel free to scan me, but you'll just be wasting your time.
Vote: strager
LS: i can has vote count?
mod: a Vote Count would be lovely right now...
EDIT: NINJA'D AGAIN COME ON DEREKKU
EDIT: NINJA'D AGAIN COME ON DEREKKU
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ah heck with it i give up on this game. you guys wont lynch me no matter what i do, cus everyone is such a bad player that my acting scummy isnt even noticable amongst the noobiness
claim: jester
just nightkill me so i can concentrate on my WW game plz
claim: jester
just nightkill me so i can concentrate on my WW game plz