Saturos-fangirl wrote:

oh right i want this discussion started fast so


Claim: Cop

whoevers doctor protect me please ^_^ but dont tell me who you are~

Hey, I'm also the Cop...

Claim: Day Cop
All the cops in the house put your hands up!
All the cops in the house scan yourself today/night!
All the mafia in the house put your hands up!
Everyone else put your hands down!

/me stretches strager's hands strait forward.

"Like this?"

*raises something other than his hand*

My leg you perverts fffff

Role Claim: Sibling

jkjk

I keep reading this topic as "shirtless mafia."

I vote: rename.

Vote rename depending on who the mafia are. ^_^

SFG and strager for mafia!

*takes off shirt* =<

Derekku Chan wrote:

*takes off shirt* =<

K I am leaving this game.

Requesting replacement.

You're just jealous because you're a butterfly and thus A) Can't have a shirt and B) can't have a sexy body <3

why are there three cops

inb4 one of us turns out not to be

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

why are there three cops

inb4 one of us turns out not to be

Or there's another cop.

Confirmed

Role Claim: Twilight Townie

wooo

aren't we just joking around since it's not Day 1 yet?

Vote: Re-claim day 1 if you're actually srs xd

What the hell does that do?

adam2046 wrote:

What the hell does that do?

I'm with adam here.

Unless it's an eccentric role, or if you are a Cop and you know there's a Doctor or something, there's no reason to claim.

I mean what the hell does that role do?

adam2046 wrote:

I mean what the hell does that role do?

Uh, which?

Cop??

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I'm not special, I do nothing

Twilight Townie is just what LS called vanilla townies in this I guess

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

Confirmed

Role Claim: Twilight Townie

wooo

Oh, I musta missed that.

Yeah, I guess so? Maybe you're like a warewolf and you're only a Townie during the Twilight. ;P

strager wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

0_o wrote:

Confirmed

Role Claim: Twilight Townie

wooo

Oh, I musta missed that.

Yeah, I guess so? Maybe you're like a warewolf and you're only a Townie during the Twilight. ;P

But what about the rest of the day? Can they eat the other players?

0_o wrote:

Twilight Townie is just what LS called vanilla townies in this I guess

You guess or you know?

Game start, Day 1 go!

Deadline end of monday, central. Remember that even when it's twilight, you can post.

7 Alive, 4 to lynch.

So um...

Can we disregard at everything said up to this point and say it again if necessary?

So erm....

Roleclaim: Mafia Roleblocker?

Wait wut?

Eheheh veeery funny Lucy.

...Vote Lucidity

vote: Lucidity

This all feels very familiar somehow.

inb4jester

Uh... Vote: adam2046 for jumping on Lucidity? (ps this is a random vote hehe)

Meh, I'd rather not.

So this game is like a normal Mafia game (with Night), except you can talk during the Night and it's called Twilight?

strager wrote:

So this game is like a normal Mafia game (with Night), except you can talk during the Night and it's called Twilight?

That's how I understand it Oo

Also, Unvote.

Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

Twilight Townie is just what LS called vanilla townies in this I guess

You guess or you know?

I had no mention of abilities in my PM, so I'm pretty sure I'm just a vanilla, unless there is something else LadySuburu isn't telling me >_>

oh i actually meant to claim cop

i dont think there are four of us this time because it IS "Sane" Mafia after all, and using insane/naive/paranoid cops would be oxymoronic


i am pretty sure theres a doctor somewhere who can protect me though

You couldn't investigate T0, could you?

Role Claim: Twilight Brownie

I'm delicious <3

strager wrote:

You couldn't investigate T0, could you?

no, or if i could i didn't realize it. Subi said nothing and i didn't actually try...

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

You couldn't investigate T0, could you?

no, or if i could i didn't realize it. Subi said nothing and i didn't actually try...

LadySuburu wrote:

It is now twilight 0. There will be no actions taken this twilight, but you can post.

=.=

Lucidity wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

You couldn't investigate T0, could you?

no, or if i could i didn't realize it. Subi said nothing and i didn't actually try...

LadySuburu wrote:

It is now twilight 0. There will be no actions taken this twilight, but you can post.

=.=

I thought that was just lynching. Oh well.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Role Claim: Twilight Brownie

I'm delicious <3

wait this just struck me

brownie == cop?

or are you just joking around o0

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Role Claim: Twilight Brownie

I'm delicious <3

wait this just struck me

brownie == cop?

or are you just joking around o0

No, I'm not a cop. But I have the power of baking brownies for everyone =) (except for mafia, they don't get any)

Derekku Chan wrote:

(except for mafia, they don't get any)

So uh... Who's not getting brownies? ;P

Derekku isnt getting brownies cus hes totally the mafia

(random) vote: Derekku

Derekku Chan wrote:

No, I'm not a cop. But I have the power of baking brownies for everyone =) (except for mafia, they don't get any)

So all we have to do is find out who didn't get a brownie? Sweet. LITERALLY

Unvote
SFG I asked LadySuburu as soon as I found out there was another cop and he said that Sane mafia is justa name, apparently it's only called sane mafia because crazy mafia was taken...
So we don't actually know if there are sanities or not.

adam2046 wrote:

Unvote
SFG I asked LadySuburu as soon as I found out there was another cop and he said that Sane mafia is justa name, apparently it's only called sane mafia because crazy mafia was taken...
So we don't actually know if there are sanities or not.

Does this mean that my brownies might be "special" brownies? X3

I would be surprised if there wasn't different sanities this game, having multiple sane cops seems unlikely...

It was renamed from "Nightless Crazy Mafia" because I didn't want LS's series mixed up with my CM series.

With two Cop claims, I doubt one of them will survive to tell his or her tale for Day 2, unless one is lying (WIFOM: Mafia know this and don't kill a claimed Cop, making them both suspicious (how many Mafia are there anyway?)) or we have a Doctor (or two? xD) and some luck.

I'm inclined to believe 0_o on his role because he mentioned "Twilight Townie" instead of "Vanilla Townie." I don't think anyone but a Twilight Townie would know the name of the Vanilla Townie role except by a wild guess and a boat load of luck, or some knowledgeable Mafia or aux role (or cheating...).

These unkown role games just have too many possibilities :/ I think it's best to stick to assuming that everyone was assigned a common/basic role. Yes, someone could be a Mafia Cop that shows up as innocent to other cops and also has 2 votes, but we'll never guess that right and I'm sure LadySuburu is aware of that fact. Speculation will never amount to more than pure guess work. There's also only 7 players in this game, which means that having too many aux roles or special abilities would make the game imbalanced.

Lucidity wrote:

There's also only 7 players in this game, which means that having too many aux roles or special abilities would make the game imbalanced.

There could be two Mafia and five Doctors? xD That seems pretty balanced.

Anyway, there is a chance there are two Cops running around, at least one Vanilla Townie (aka Twilight Townie), and, of course, one or more Mafia (probably one or two for a game this small; perhaps two if we really do have two Cops).

Actually, with a bit of thinking, that means D2 is LyLo assuming two Mafia. That's either one or two investigations with two Cops. Assuming one (Mafia kills one of the two Cops), that's a 1/5 chance of winning past D2 (if a Townie is lynched D1) based on the living Cop's result (and even then the Cop could be insane, screwing that all up). Unless there are more, highly helpful or protective Townie roles, two Mafia is much too imbalanced. So I think it's safe to say there's only one Mafia. Perhaps the Mafia is a role blocker to counter the two Cops?

So here's what I suspect:
1 Mafia Goon or Mafia Roleblocker
1 Sane Cop (adam or SFG)
1 Insane Cop (adam or SFG)
1 Vanilla Townie (0_o)
3 Unknown Townies, probably Vanilla Townies
Remaining players: Derekku Chan, Echo, Lucidity, strager
This assumes all serious claims thus far are true. I'm not so sure there are two Cops unless the Mafia is a Roleblocker. We'll have to wait until Day 2 to figure that out ("no result" from one of the Cops).

Comments?

Mod: Will LyLo be announced? Will roles be revealed upon death?

strager wrote:

Mod: Will LyLo be announced? Will roles be revealed upon death?

Yes Yes.

i move that the topic be renamed "Nightless Mafia" then cus thats both different and doesnt imply that we're all sane here.

On a different note, i wouldnt put it past Subi to have all sorts of crazy "imbalanced" roles in here to balance things out.

inb4 unknown shadow lol

also i still think theres a doctor around...somewhere...maybe adam fake-claimed cop because he was actually the doctor or maybe one of the other people who havent claimed

imma cool cop~

oh also its kinda stupid to speculate on setup just based on what i know of Subi. i mean theres gonna be some super-crazy role or two or four in here anyways, and 0_o might magically morph into a knowledgeable townie or smth.

Lucidity, Echo, adam, i want you guys to start talking so i can scumpaint people

EDIT: oh and i need to bash strager for editing his post to make it correct ... *bash*

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

maybe adam fake-claimed cop because he was actually the doctor

That'd be very stupid, unless Doctors can protect themselves during the Night.

Mod: Can a Doctor protect himself in this game?

strager wrote:

Mod: Can a Doctor protect himself in this game?

Nope. As you can see, I follow a general trend in my games.

LyLo announced.
Roles revealed upon death.
Doctors cannot protect themselves.

:3

Also, did anyone bother to read the first sentence of the intro(First post)? lol

*back to playing games*

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

oh also its kinda stupid to speculate on setup

Having any idea on the setup (even just a guess which you can discard later) is better than having no idea on the setup, especially for certain roles like the Doctor (so he knows who to protect) and the Cop (so he knows if he'll get a Guilty on a Townie due to their role).

LadySuburu wrote:

Also, did anyone bother to read the first sentence of the intro(First post)? lol

You're implying that roles have extra abilities only during the Twilight? I can't think of anything other than Night action-style abilities, but there may be some...

Still, this "proves" there are at least some aux roles.

strager wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Also, did anyone bother to read the first sentence of the intro(First post)? lol

You're implying that roles have extra abilities only during the Twilight? I can't think of anything other than Night action-style abilities, but there may be some...

Still, this "proves" there are at least some aux roles.

Not that one. This one.

"(Also, the title is a lie... somewhat.)"

Though... I'm not saying there aren't roles that have actions in the twilight. :3

i think he means the "this title is a lie...somewhat" thing

Hmm, do you think it is wise for both Cops to investigate themselves? On one hand, we can discredit two possible sanities. On the other, the Mafia could pick both off Cops before they come up with anything conclusive about another player. In that other hand we see the chance of a Doctor who protects one of the Cops long enough to get two investigations (self and another person) and hopefully discover who the Mafia is. Or, the Cop could be the Mafia and win D2 (D2 has 7-2*2 = 3 players) by framing someone else in the same way.

You could also both scan the person who is lynched D1. Pretty much the same as investigating yourself, I think.

Or you can both target different players and hope for the best. I'm hoping for a Doctor so we can at least get two investigations.

Mod: Can a Cop investigate a dead person?

At the above to posts: blah.

Are there any Day actions? xD

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*talk*
Nothing to say at this point in time.

Good news, everyone! The brownies just came out of the oven and will be cool and ready to eat in just a few minutes ^_^

EDIT: They're also heart shaped like in my avatar :3

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Vote: Derekku
That's quite enough of that.

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adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Derekku
That's quite enough of that.

ffs it's not like I'm disrupting any "discussion"

That's what LS named me so that's that. I'll shut up now

Derekku Chan wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Derekku
That's quite enough of that.

ffs it's not like I'm disrupting any "discussion"

That's what LS named me so that's that.

Then...

Derekku Chan, after edit wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Derekku
That's quite enough of that.

ffs it's not like I'm disrupting any "discussion"

That's what LS named me so that's that. I'll shut up now

You say LS is your mother? Now THAT'S a twist in the plot.

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Derekku
That's quite enough of that.

ffs it's not like I'm disrupting any "discussion"

That's what LS named me so that's that.

Then...

Derekku Chan, after edit wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: Derekku
That's quite enough of that.

ffs it's not like I'm disrupting any "discussion"

That's what LS named me so that's that. I'll shut up now

You say LS is your mother? Now THAT'S a twist in the plot.

EDIT: wait that kinda looks like a nodding motion uhhh oh fuck it *leaves*

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0_o wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

That's what LS named me so that's that. I'll shut up now

Wait.. so you are actually a "Twilight Brownie"?

lolololololol.

I didn't know Derekku was black.

He sounds much too white. =<

Maybe he's a white brownie? Oxymoronic...

(Can't believe I missed that meaning ... Thought Derekku was saying LS was her mother.)

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You're the one gaying it up, strager >_>

Anyway, regardless of what I'm named, I'm a "townie". So... for clarification Role Claim: Townie

Derekku Chan wrote:

You're the one gaying it up, strager >_>

You're the one stretching open your hole.

(Your mouth that is.)

((That doesn't make it any less sick.))

Derekku Chan wrote:

Anyway, regardless of what I'm named, I'm a "townie". So... for clarification Role Claim: Townie

Not Twilight Townie?

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

oh also its kinda stupid to speculate on setup

Having any idea on the setup (even just a guess which you can discard later) is better than having no idea on the setup, especially for certain roles like the Doctor (so he knows who to protect) and the Cop (so he knows if he'll get a Guilty on a Townie due to their role).

knowing the setup helps mafia more than town

i skimmed the last ~4 pages or so, someone please summarise any role claims

oh, mod vote count ty

i claimed cop about three times now

adam also claimed cop and Derekku and i think 0_o claimed townie

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

oh also its kinda stupid to speculate on setup

Having any idea on the setup (even just a guess which you can discard later) is better than having no idea on the setup, especially for certain roles like the Doctor (so he knows who to protect) and the Cop (so he knows if he'll get a Guilty on a Townie due to their role).

knowing the setup helps mafia more than town

How so? I think you tried explaining in another game (BM1? where YOU were Mafia?) but I couldn't really understand why, I think. I'll reread that discussion.

Echo wrote:

i skimmed the last ~4 pages or so, someone please summarise any role claims

By memory:
SFG claims Cop
adam claims Cop
0_o claims Twilight Townie
Derekku claims Townie

Moat Vote Count:

adam - 1 (Derekku)
Derekku - 1 (adam)
strager - 1 (SFG)

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What good is it to the town if we know that there is, for example, a doctor or a cop? But if the mafia know that they exist, they can start looking for tells because they *know* the role exists. When they don't know the role exists, they'll need to resort to guessing, which increases the chances of survival of the PRs.

Also rolefishing is a scumtell because there is no benefit for town to know who has what role (unless you're the doctor and trying to find the cop(s) or something), whereas the mafia will love to know who has what role so they can plan the NKs

seeing as strager's only on 1 vote, there's no harm in vote: strager for rolefishing

DAY COP
DAAAAAAAAAAY COOOOOOOOOP
Sheesh
It was clearly bolded.

I still don't see how that works, but you're entitled to your own logic and I don't have to agree, really. However, you did say the same thing in BM1, where you were a Mafia, so I'm kind of suspicious about that.

I wouldn't say I'm rolefishing. I'm not asking people to claim. I'm just looking at what information we have from claims to see what's possible and what is the better action to take given this information. For example, see my post about who/how the Cops should investigate.

I do have to agree that rolefishing is probably suspicious, though I haven't seen it applied in a game I've played/followed (unless I'm that blind), so I can't say if it's reliable. I'm sure you've the experience, and it does sound like a possible tell, so that's why I'm agreeing on this point.

adam2046 wrote:

DAY COP
DAAAAAAAAAAY COOOOOOOOOP
Sheesh
It was clearly bolded.

Care to clarify?

You can investigate during the Day and have results by the Twilight?

In that case, that's pretty useful. Have the Doctor protect you so we get two investigations by Twilight 2. Some WIFOM: Mafia sees this and kills the other Cop, but the Doctor sees this and protects that other Cop, but the Mafia sees THAT and ... The least-risk scenario is to protect adam because he is more valuable than SFG (investigations are a turn earlier, before the Twilight kill) (also, sorry SFG =X). Of course, the Doctor should keep quiet about who he's going to protect. =]

However, I fear adam being Naive or Paranoid, and SFG being Sane (or Insane), to balance this.

First sentence:

strager wrote:

I still don't see how that works, but you're entitled to your own logic and I don't have to agree, really.

End of last sentence:

strager wrote:

it does sound like a possible tell, so that's why I'm agreeing on this point.

That was quick?

0_o wrote:

First sentence:

strager wrote:

I still don't see how that works, but you're entitled to your own logic and I don't have to agree, really.

End of last sentence:

strager wrote:

it does sound like a possible tell, so that's why I'm agreeing on this point.

That was quick?

First was about how Echo feels information about roles (how roles work, and what roles are in the game) helps the Mafia and not the Town.

Second was about how collecting roles (trying to get people to claim) helps the Mafia and not the Town.

I get results right away.

adam2046 wrote:

I get results right away.

So I assume you haven't investigated anyone?

I might have.

Hmm...

Mod: Do Twilight actions (in particular, a Twilight kill by the Mafia) take place immediately, or are all actions queued to the end of the Twilight like in other Mafia games?

I ask because if adam doesn't investigate speak his result during Day 1, and Twilight actions are taken immediately, he may be killed before we know his results.

strager wrote:

Hmm...

Mod: Do Twilight actions (in particular, a Twilight kill by the Mafia) take place immediately, or are all actions queued to the end of the Twilight like in other Mafia games?

I ask because if adam doesn't investigate speak his result during Day 1, and Twilight actions are taken immediately, he may be killed before we know his results.

At my own choice, I will tell you all this piece of information.

In this game (and this game only), unless a role can be blocked by another, the actions will take place intantly. Therefore, for example, if a cop does his action and gets results almost immediately, then there isn't a role that can block the cop during that phase. Other than that, I will not give any info on this subject.

LadySuburu wrote:

In this game (and this game only), unless a role can be blocked by another, the actions will take place intantly. Therefore, for example, if a cop does his action and gets results almost immediately, then there isn't a role that can block the cop during that phase. Other than that, I will not give any info on this subject.

Does a kill count as a block for Cops?

Scenario one: Cop investigates, tells results. Then is killed.
Scenario two: Cop killed. Then, investigates. Can't tell results.

Which scenario will take place?

strager wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

In this game (and this game only), unless a role can be blocked by another, the actions will take place intantly. Therefore, for example, if a cop does his action and gets results almost immediately, then there isn't a role that can block the cop during that phase. Other than that, I will not give any info on this subject.

Does a kill count as a block for Cops?

Scenario one: Cop investigates, tells results. Then is killed.
Scenario two: Cop killed. Then, investigates. Can't tell results.

Which scenario will take place?

S1, if he doesn't get killed immediately as it happens.

strager is definitely digging too deeply into roles for my comfort.

Echo wrote:

strager is definitely digging too deeply into roles for my comfort

Well, I kinda usually do that. I like to know every detail about every role I can so I can see how things can play out, and make a decision (and encourage others to) which is most benefitial for the Town.

If you're a cop and want to work out the details, you would be PM'ing LS.
If you're a pro-town, there's no reason you need to ask LS - anyone playing cops (especially in this game) would be smart enough to work out strategies themselves without your input, and no one really has reason to trust any input you give anyway. You're helping to give away information that may not have been given away.

There's one other possibility, of course.

Ah, I see what you mean.

I was trying to help, but it seems in doing so that'd help the Mafia. I guess this is what you meant by your information-about-roles-is-bad... I see your point and agree.

People only post when I sleep ~_~

I have to agree with Echo about strager. Rolefishing benefits the Mafia the most. Apparently Echo explained this to him in BM1 and he still persisted in doing it in this game. After Echo pointed it out to him again he brushed it off and continued.

Not to mention the inconsistency in his post pointed out by 0_o. Did he type the post and then decided to throw in an "I agree" to make sure he doesn't ruffle too many feathers? He might have just thought about the idea while typing the post and by the end of it realised that Echo was making sense. The problem with this theory is that he tried to make a (bad) excuse for his inconsistency in his next post. (Which means he did not have an epiphany halfway through the post) He also carries on throwing information out into the public domain, completely disregarding Echo's warning, which he claims to understand.

(Hopefully?) he has stopped now, by acknowledging Echo for the second time.

strager, you're on the top of my suspicion list at the moment for trying to get all the information you possibly can into the open. The best course of action is surely to trust that the aux roles do their jobs to the best of their ability with the information that they've managed to obtain. If you throw all roles into the open and devise (incomplete) strategies publicly it only benefits the Mafia. They will know exactly what to do in order to stop the strategy from working, wouldn't they? The only time you should try to implement a strategy publicly is if it is guaranteed to work, no matter what the Mafia do.

Finally, what is the point of speculating about possible roles? Especially on Day 1. LS has admitted that she uses basic rules, which might apply to roles too. But any guesswork is just as bad (or worse) as not guessing at all. If your guess is wrong (and let's face it. you have nothing to base your guesses on yet) then it is to the detriment to the town. Could you explain how guessing roles and devising (public) strategies around them benefits the Town?

Plox explain all the points I made strager D: I might be horribly wrong.