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About my claim, I thought I clarified here: viewtopic.php?p=167805#p167805

strager wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?p=166463#p166463
T'was a joke.
I was going with the "re-roleclaim if you're serious" thing by Derekku, which everyone else followed. (Hmm, what did Echo call that again?)

Lucidity wrote:

Saa~ Did you ONLY ask about Cops? Sure the majority was focused on it, but it wasn't an exclusive interest. I'm going to bed now, so I'm not going to reread the thread again to find counter examples -.-
I don't see how that matters. If SFG asked a question here about another role, would that change your mind about pointing SFG's question out? No.

Lucidity wrote:

You're missing the point though. SFG claimed to be a Cop. You didn't. She could PM LadySuburu to her heart's content and find out everything she possibly wanted. Her role PM would probably have specified most of the things she wanted to know anyway. The point is it's suspicious of a Cop to be so clueless~Throwing around exactly how her role works in the thread is also very risky...
It's risky, but there are many possibilities, including:
  1. She was fitting in with the questions I was asking.
  2. She didn't realize she was making her question public and possibly helping the Mafia.
  3. She did realize she was making her question public and was trying to help the Town (and perhaps adam, though I don't think the question she asked applies to him).
  4. She was trying to expand upon my previous question about investigating dead people. (Possible way to find her sanity or land a useful investigation.)
SFG posted that the first of these was the case. I'm inclined to believe the last point was part of asking, too, though.

Wow, I just realized I missed a few posts. /me reads.

Nothing to comment on, though I'm slightly less believing SFG now, to the point where I'm not not going to vote for her today. Still, I'd like to keep a claimed Cop alive until D2.
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Echo wrote:

Wait so only adam and SFG officially claimed cop now?

Can I remind you that Night 0 (or Twilight in this case) is a part of the game - it's a chance to discuss in advance? I won't accept anyone saying that they were "just joking around" in T0.
i think he was trying to start discussion, as were most of us. its super hard to scumhunt people if theres no discussion going on

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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on
Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.
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strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on
Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.
oh whoops thats supposed to say scumhunt sry
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

its super hard to scumpaint people if theres no discussion going on
Is there a need to scumpaint if someone is already painted? Unless you're the Mafia, of course.
oh whoops thats supposed to say scumhunt sry
You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?
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strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?
..? a while? thats the first time ive mentioned it and accidental at that
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

You've been saying 'scumpaint' a while. Maybe you've been playing and watching Pasonia play CM too long?
..? a while? thats the first time ive mentioned it and accidental at that
My bad, you only said it once before: viewtopic.php?p=166970#p166970

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity, Echo, adam, i want you guys to start talking so i can scumpaint people
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strager wrote:

My bad, you only said it once before: viewtopic.php?p=166970#p166970

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Lucidity, Echo, adam, i want you guys to start talking so i can scumpaint people

k imma go bang my head against a wall for a while and hopefully knock some intelligence back into it....
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strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?
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Echo wrote:

strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?
its called protecting the cops cus they can investigate people and you cant...unless theres something you arent telling us
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Echo wrote:

strager, why are you feeding SFG a defense?
Again, I don't want adam or SFG to be killed D1/N1 so we can have enough investigations. We can lynch adam if he gets a flipped vote D2, find his sanity, and win the game, for example. (If adam is the Mafia, we win anyway.)

I would be doing the same for adam, but he's not talking much or being attacked.
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There's no need to defend possible cops? There wasn't any danger - I'm not voting them, I'm just pointing out possible inconsistencies. You guys seem way too jumpy.

Let me ask you a question then - who do you think we should lynch today then?
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Echo wrote:

Let me ask you a question then - who do you think we should lynch today then?
No idea, hence me not having a vote yet. No one stands out really.
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Oh, shit.

I dunno. @_@

Mod: I'd like an official vote count, please.
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And it's four to lynch, right? We'd need at least two votes on one person, otherwise it's a no-lynch. In fact, a no-lynch may be useful for the Cops to investigate, but it gives the Mafia a chance to hit both if there is no Doctor around (which is bad bad bad).
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no lynch on odd numbers is bad, both statistically (which you definitely know) and in terms of scumhunting since votes and reasons for voting reveal much about people

why would you even suggest a no lynch then negate that suggestion by saying it's bad?
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adam, have you made an investigation yet? If you have now's the time to say something...
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Echo wrote:

why would you even suggest a no lynch then negate that suggestion by saying it's bad?
I'm saying a no-lynch will happen if two votes aren't on one person. See what happened in BM1.

I agree with 0_o, because we can test sanities that way. That is, lynch the person who adam investigates and compare it with the role of the lynched person. That will reduce it down to two possible sanities.
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im gonna lol if adam doesnt say anything before deadline

also vote strager

see, now if nothing happens we still lynch someone ^_^
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How come everyone always wants to knock off strager first day, he was first one lynched in both M3 and M4 >_>
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i just think we have better chances if we lynch today even if its a random lynch. see Echo's post
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Now you're trying to frame me if strager turns out innocent :/
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Echo wrote:

Now you're trying to frame me if strager turns out innocent :/
uh hello? what i said had nothing to do with you and everything to do with probability/good general strategy. you just happened to be the person to mention it
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I'm kinda stuck between Echo, Lucidity, and SFG now.

Echo seems pretty lax, like in BM1 and M3, but unlike in M2. In BM1 and M3 he was a Mafia (right? I think), and in M2 he was the Cop. Also, there's that logic about helping the Mafia with information, but even if I agree with him, he did bring that point up in BM1, and I'm not sure if he did M2 (or if the situation called for it). Meta-playing is kinda weak as an argument, though.

Lucidity doesn't (to me) have sense in his reasons for arguing his points. (That's poorly worded; hope you get the meaning.) He could be trying to scumpaint, trying to do something to help the town, or do something to seem to help the town.

SFG's been acting weird today (in Earth days). Pretty suspicious. Still, I don't want to regret a lynch of a Cop.

On the others:

0_o, uh, I forget. Oh, right, he claimed Twilight Townie. No idea. In a similar situation as Derekku. That is, undecided.

adam needs to speak a bit more, especially of his investigation results.

Derekku had a weird claim, and it's pretty wild. He could be claiming such an eccentric role to alleviate suspicion. Of course, he could be telling the truth, too. WIFOM, I think? Nothing for or against him I think.

With that, I'll vote: Lucidity, awaiting adam's investigation results.
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ffffffff adam was just browsing this forum GET BACK HERE ADAM D:

*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
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Go to hell.
Make your own decisions.
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strager wrote:

Lucidity doesn't (to me) have sense in his reasons for arguing his points. (That's poorly worded; hope you get the meaning.)
I hope I'm not the only one who sees the irony in this statement.

Derekku Chan wrote:

*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/
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Wow.
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Echo wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/
Uhh yes? What about it?

adam2046 wrote:

Make your own decisions.
Okay then, I will. Vote: adam2046. You're supposed to be helping the town, but you're just making yourself more suspicious and not being useful.
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That's some great work there.
Let's not kill SFG tonight.
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adam2046 wrote:

That's some great work there.
Let's not kill SFG tonight.
I'll take this to mean you investigated her?

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adam2046 wrote:

Let's not kill SFG tonight.
Why not? Innocent result?

I really don't see why you're withholding information. I really don't want a Cop claim to be lynched.
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Then don't lynch me, duh.
Edit: On a side note I've had FOS: strager almost all game.
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unvote
vote adam
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

unvote
vote adam
um

what

vote Lucidity because I don't know when the deadline is and if it's soon I don't want adam lynched
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I think it's plain to see.
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Derekku Chan wrote:

Echo wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

*also awaiting his results before making a vote*
I thought you claimed townie (brownie) :/
Uhh yes? What about it?
What results?
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My results.
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^
"his results" = "adam's results"
Derekku claimed vanilla

EDIT: ninjaaa'd
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Okay, I'm going to throw an idea out here and it'll probably get shot down.

[theory]
There are two mafia in this game. They are adam and SFG. They both claimed cop to lessen suspicion on themselves. Cops can be crucial to this game, and so usually people won't vote for them. But after a couple of days and we've "learned their sanities" (aka lies), we completely trust them, but then everyone else gets lynched and they (the mafia) win.[/theory]

I think that the best action today would be to lynch one of them and see what their role is. Truthfully, I don't even think that it's worth saving a "cop" until we've seen their results. By the time we've figured out their sanities, it's too late (like I said above). Truthfully, cops shouldn't even role claim unless they have results and are sure of them (or are mafia being crafty). This just brings more suspicious onto them.

Okay I'm tired of thinking for tonight so I'll stop here. *puts on flame shield*
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Echo wrote:

What results?
Uhhh, I'm a townie, I don't HAVE any results ._.
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I don't like your idea...why would we kill me?
As a note, I try to avoid fake claiming when I'm mafia especially first day since you know, THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.
I think it'd be the stupidest strategy ever. (exceptfor some people)
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Derekku Chan wrote:

Okay, I'm going to throw an idea out here and it'll probably get shot down.

[theory]
There are two mafia in this game. They are adam and SFG. They both claimed cop to lessen suspicion on themselves. Cops can be crucial to this game, and so usually people won't vote for them. But after a couple of days and we've "learned their sanities" (aka lies), we completely trust them, but then everyone else gets lynched and they (the mafia) win.[/theory]

I think that the best action today would be to lynch one of them and see what their role is. Truthfully, I don't even think that it's worth saving a "cop" until we've seen their results. By the time we've figured out their sanities, it's too late (like I said above). Truthfully, cops shouldn't even role claim unless they have results and are sure of them (or are mafia being crafty). This just brings more suspicious onto them.

Okay I'm tired of thinking for tonight so I'll stop here. *puts on flame shield*
that is the stupidest idea ive ever heard. that makes you sound like mafia in my eyes. "Hey guyz lets kill the people that claim cop so they dont investigate me thats a great idea~ ^_^"
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adam2046 wrote:

I don't like your idea...why would we kill me?
As a note, I try to avoid fake claiming when I'm mafia especially first day since you know, THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.

THERE COULD BE OTHER COPS.
like me maybe?
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GAME IS ENDING REALLY SOON SO VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT LYNCHED NOW
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@adam/SFG Hey, it's better than nothing.

@SFG Feel free to scan me, but you'll just be wasting your time.
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Vote: strager
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LS: i can has vote count?
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mod: a Vote Count would be lovely right now...

EDIT: NINJA'D AGAIN COME ON DEREKKU
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ah heck with it i give up on this game. you guys wont lynch me no matter what i do, cus everyone is such a bad player that my acting scummy isnt even noticable amongst the noobiness

claim: jester

just nightkill me so i can concentrate on my WW game plz
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SFG's trying not to get lynched by claiming Jester? Hmm, could be a claim by the Mafia. I have no idea. WIFOM?
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oh and just a note, dont expect me to post in this thread again. do w/e you will with me or my corpse and stuff.
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Okay, I have a few bits of info to share at the moment.

1. Due to a slight error on my part, I am resending some role PMs. I did not specify something specifically in some of them, and in another I actually sent the wrong role. If you recieve a PM, you know who you are.

2. Please avoid talking about this game outside the thread. Also remember that any conversation outside MAY be fake as well, in the event some discussion does happen. But please, remember this thread only.
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ffffffffffff sfg wifom stop it my brain is hurting

@strager: Like I've said before, the problem I have with cops with sanities in short games is that they have to be figured out before we can make anything of it. I mean yeah it still might be useful and there might only be one mafia, but who knows ._.
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OK here's my vote count, everyone make sure your vote is correct here

Lucidity (2) - strager, 0_o Will be lynched if tie remains (I think)
strager (2) - Echo, adam
adam (2) - Derekku, SFG

Not Voting - Lucidity

EDIT: Also, mafia: Kill SFG tonight, since if she doesn't die we will probably lynch her tomorrow, and none of us want a shared win ^_^
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strager wrote:

Right, so if a Cop is killed before D3, we know their sanity. No need to self-invstigate and waste a Day.
*facefloor* Oh God wow am I that stupid? I completely forgot that a cop can investigate themselves arghhh sorry. (But oh wait adam investigated SFG first which does NOTHING for me)
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Seeing as SFG is no longer claiming cop, I think it's safe to say that adam is sane since he is the only claimed cop now..

EDIT: also SFG, claiming a role that's a target for night kills probably isn't the best jester strategy :P
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0_o wrote:

Seeing as SFG is no longer claiming cop, I think it's safe to say that adam is sane since he is the only claimed cop now..
Unless she really is just pulling a shitty move and is really mafia ugh so confusing.
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Well, one of my previous posts got vanished, but deadline is extended to 7:15 AM tomorrow morning.

Also, trying to fix stuff and finish up, so I can't give a votecount atm. Please do an unofficial votecount or check for yourself at the moment. I have no time currently, I'm sorry.
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geez this is just the kind of crazy role Subi would get


welp im not a jester anymore. guess he didnt want me to give up. sooooo....well my new role HAS to be town-known for it to work so i HAVE to claim it.

Claim: Pressured doctor

i can protect people at twilight, but only if at least half of the town pm's me during twilight telling me who to protect. I have to forward the pm's to LadySuburu so he can confirm it.

the pm must only contain the person i am to protect, and can only be sent once per person, so think carefully x_x if two of you (im the third for the majority atm) agree is the only time i can protect someone. if i get more than that i have to follow the majority.

information is public because i have no choice dont flame me for it plz
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

geez this is just the kind of crazy role Subi would get


welp im not a jester anymore. guess he didnt want me to give up. sooooo....well my new role HAS to be town-known for it to work so i HAVE to claim it.

Claim: Pressured doctor

i can protect people at twilight, but only if at least half of the town pm's me during twilight telling me who to protect. I have to forward the pm's to LadySuburu so he can confirm it.

the pm must only contain the person i am to protect, and can only be sent once per person, so think carefully x_x if two of you (im the third for the majority atm) agree is the only time i can protect someone. if i get more than that i have to follow the majority.

information is public because i have no choice dont flame me for it plz
what



the fuck
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That's why we have to lynch her tomorrow. If she isn't mafia, the mafia will NK her because they don't want a jester win any more than we do. If she survives the night, that tells us that the mafia didn't want to kill her, and the only reason that would happen is if she is a mafia member.

EDIT: disregard all of this
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So anyway.
Unvote
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0_o wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

0_o wrote:

Seeing as SFG is no longer claiming cop, I think it's safe to say that adam is sane since he is the only claimed cop now..
Unless she really is just pulling a shitty move and is really mafia ugh so confusing.
That's why we have to lynch her tomorrow. If she isn't mafia, the mafia will NK her because they don't want a jester win any more than we do. If she survives the night, that tells us that the mafia didn't want to kill her, and the only reason that would happen is if she is a mafia member.
pay attention. i got a new role.
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^ lol ninja'd again poor 0_o *hug*

EDIT: ew ninja'd by two people ._.;
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i suck
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mod: I'm assuming we can't tell her to protect herself?
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Shouldn't PM's be sent to LS, and she protects (and perhaps tells SFG the votes or who was protected)?

Seems like a poorly-planned role otherwise, as SFG can manipulate one or two votes easily.

And 0_o, that's WIFOMmy (is that the correct usage?). Mafia would know this and decide not to kill SFG, resulting in a wasted D2 kill. I hope you didn't see this; otherwise, you're looking pretty scummy now.
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0_o wrote:

mod: I'm assuming we can't tell her to protect herself?
You can.
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strager wrote:

Shouldn't PM's be sent to LS, and she protects (and perhaps tells SFG the votes or who was protected)?

Seems like a poorly-planned role otherwise, as SFG can manipulate one or two votes easily.
thats why i have to forward them, i assume. you cant mess with forwards, thats why youre never allowed to forward in WW games ;o
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strager wrote:

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

strager wrote:

Shouldn't PM's be sent to LS, and she protects (and perhaps tells SFG the votes or who was protected)?

Seems like a poorly-planned role otherwise, as SFG can manipulate one or two votes easily.
thats why i have to forward them, i assume. you cant mess with forwards, thats why youre never allowed to forward in WW games ;o
Well, whatever. I still think it is safer to PM LS.

Mod: Should SFG's role be changed so protection votes are sent to you instead of SFG?
I feel forwarding is safe, but if enough people would prefer it the other way.., You can have a vote on it, if you want.
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0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

And 0_o, that's WIFOMmy (is that the correct usage?). Mafia would know this and decide not to kill SFG, resulting in a wasted D2 kill. I hope you didn't see this; otherwise, you're looking pretty scummy now.
If SFG was the jester then she is a third party, separate from the mafia and the town. Neither parties want the jester to win, so it would have been in both of their best interests to get rid of her.
I thought the game continued, though.

Also, does adam have to redo his investigation, or did he re-receive his results? (adam?)
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Well if we kill the Jester during a day lynch, that's still giving the town a disadvantage. ffffffff oh well inb4thereisstillajester
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Hmm?
I didn't actually investigate SFG.
I just figured she was the jester...and then something else happened, but whatever that's in the past.
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adam2046 wrote:

Hmm?
I didn't actually investigate SFG.
I just figured she was the jester...and then something else happened, but whatever that's in the past.
You're making yourself more and more suspicious here.
0_o
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So adam how come you haven't made an investigation yet, and if you have why aren't you telling us?
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0_o wrote:

So adam how come you haven't made an investigation yet, and if you have why aren't you telling us?
Seriously.

If you really are a Day Cop, you probably can't investigate during the Twilight.
Derekku
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Uh, then he was probably smart and investigated himself and just won't tell us for obvious reasons. God adam did you have to be so difficult >:(
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Derekku Chan wrote:

Uh, then he was probably smart and investigated himself and just won't tell us for obvious reasons. God adam did you have to be so difficult >:(
...

You're wasting an investigation if you scan yourself. Sanities are revealed upon death, as far as I know, because roles are.

Mod: Will a Cop's sanity be revealed upon his death?
Derekku
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Buhhh oh fuck it I don't give a shit what the cops do anymore.

adam: Give us your results ffs
Echo
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@everyone in general

when you assume, you make an ass of u and me

so please don't reply *for* anyone else
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Echo wrote:

@everyone in general

when you assume, you make an ass of u and me

so please don't reply *for* anyone else
I'll say for everyone, "okay."
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By the way, from LS's latest deadline post, the Day ends in six hours, 11 minutes from this post's timestamp.
adam2046
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Don't feel like it.
I actually like watching everyone's reactions...it's great fun, maybe you should too.

On a different note, I feel slightly uneasy about Echo :/
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adam2046 wrote:

On a different note, I feel slightly uneasy about Echo :/
Hey, buddy, let's hammer him!

Also, you're seriously not helping the Town. Investigate, and tell your results now or during the Twilight. Any later and we may not get them. >_>
Echo
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Since he's the only cop left, can we assume he's sane? :P
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Echo wrote:

Since he's the only cop left, can we assume he's sane? :P
I wouldn't, really. We could waste a lynch doing that.

Being a Day Cop, adam has an advantage over standard Cops. I would think there'd be some balance to this.

Also, of course, we're not sure if his claim is true.
adam2046
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Yeah I'm done observing reactions (except for Lucy who's a bit busy sleeping...lazyarse)
So anyway I scanned myself, cause I like being alive and don't want to have to be killed just to find out my role. (seriously stop suggesting killing me, I don't want it to become a running theme for these games)
Innocent not ruling out naive just yet (I really wouldn't put it past Subi, making the games so interesting)

Also I notice a distinct lack of Echo wearing his underpants on the outside in this game which is most likely what's making me feel uneasy. (SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVIOUR OF THE TOOOOOOOOOWN)
I might vote him. (I felt another of these was required)
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adam2046 wrote:

Also I notice a distinct lack of Echo wearing his underpants on the outside in this game which is most likely what's making me feel uneasy. (SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVIOUR OF THE TOOOOOOOOOWN)
Perhaps.

Deadline in a few hours.
adam2046
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3 and half I think.
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/me is mad #forumshit got killed.
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