... you took my bodyguard speculation seriously?
Well ok then.
Well ok then.
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Hi, Im a completely roleless town, fabolous how Im contributing
Holy freaking who.
Hiiiiiiiiii.
Lynch Salvage please.
Hiiiiiiiiii.
Lynch Salvage please.
I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages
why
why
So checking Rantai's ISO, he wants to lynch Salvage because Sal's the most town and least jesterly
Really now
I can't even vote Rantai because that would be defeating the point of this game
Really now
I can't even vote Rantai because that would be defeating the point of this game
HI THERE QUARAEZHA
Because smart people wanna smartragelewa wrote:
I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages
why
You shouldn't be voting me anyway, I'm just a survivor.
Basically we want to lynch town (or mafia until they have 1) to allow mafia to kill off all the jesters. Then we can do whatever after that.
Basically we want to lynch town (or mafia until they have 1) to allow mafia to kill off all the jesters. Then we can do whatever after that.
But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
To prevent us from doing it over and over, yes; it's called "the mafia and other kill roles killing us while we do nothing."Rantai wrote:
But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
Okay i just made me a bit of time to post and i want to say that i find it hillarous that Rantai is PROPOSING TO LYNCH TOWN
He clearly thinks that i'm town and he's openly proposing to lynch a town member and a clear way to detect and nulify jesters
As anti town as that is i'm not voting him for reasons previously stated, i'll stick with the no-lynch situation since i think there isn't any anti no-lynch mechanism, to be honest i don't expect mara to implement that (not disregarding him, just characterizing him.)
He clearly thinks that i'm town and he's openly proposing to lynch a town member and a clear way to detect and nulify jesters
As anti town as that is i'm not voting him for reasons previously stated, i'll stick with the no-lynch situation since i think there isn't any anti no-lynch mechanism, to be honest i don't expect mara to implement that (not disregarding him, just characterizing him.)
Vote Salvage
Because he was the first to seriously suggest a no-lynch which is obviously a ridiculous idea.
Because he was the first to seriously suggest a no-lynch which is obviously a ridiculous idea.
Too much nonsensical shit is going on, I don't want to join your silly claims just yet.JInxyjem wrote:
HI THERE QUARAEZHA
You didn't expect a sensible game, did you?
It is a ridicously idea cause people say it is.
^ That is the thing you base on to say it is an 'obviously' ridiculous idea.
The thing that you 'obviously' don't take in mind is that every game is not clearly the same, and this one is different than the others for reasons based on the setup, regarding that we know there are 11 jesters in this game and the only (best) way to end this game with a Town win is with no jester deaths and with obviously mafia taken off.
Now all this result cannot be achieved if we lynch any jester day 1, which is a really high chance this day .. a little bit less than a 50% chances of doing so, and a bit more having in mind all the wifom involved in the situation.
From all this if we no-lynch there is also needed to have in mind that a mafia kill has the same chances of hitting a jester, plus my investigation (also the possibility of Backfire being a cop too, not the same results ofc cause a normal Cop doesn't have the same succes of outing Jesters but a nice one to out Mafia instead), having the same chances of denying a jester lynch.
So basically don't take the No-Lynch thing as a similar concept or idea of how usefull it is without having in mind any situation at all, and finally with this i mean that you should analyze every situation in particular to know which chain of actions is the the one that fits it the most.
^ That is the thing you base on to say it is an 'obviously' ridiculous idea.
The thing that you 'obviously' don't take in mind is that every game is not clearly the same, and this one is different than the others for reasons based on the setup, regarding that we know there are 11 jesters in this game and the only (best) way to end this game with a Town win is with no jester deaths and with obviously mafia taken off.
Now all this result cannot be achieved if we lynch any jester day 1, which is a really high chance this day .. a little bit less than a 50% chances of doing so, and a bit more having in mind all the wifom involved in the situation.
From all this if we no-lynch there is also needed to have in mind that a mafia kill has the same chances of hitting a jester, plus my investigation (also the possibility of Backfire being a cop too, not the same results ofc cause a normal Cop doesn't have the same succes of outing Jesters but a nice one to out Mafia instead), having the same chances of denying a jester lynch.
So basically don't take the No-Lynch thing as a similar concept or idea of how usefull it is without having in mind any situation at all, and finally with this i mean that you should analyze every situation in particular to know which chain of actions is the the one that fits it the most.
Salvage you know we don't lose if a jester gets lynched right lol? I know we'll probably hit a jester but that will just make us more likely to hit mafia tomorrow... we can win alongside jesters.
Salvage knows that, but he just wants a perfect win
I don't want to, that's the point, i want town and town only to win
You're suggesting the same idea as Rantai with a different point of appoaching doing so, lynching town is no better than doing a no lynch, actually is way worse and it doesn't help the situation, doing a No-Lynch as i already said gives Mafia a use that helps town.
To be honest it all comes up to me wanting to do a no jester lynch win on town's side, and i feel like you see the things from a really objective way generalizing concepts way too much, the no-lynch here has a lot of pro's and a few cons which i personally don't agree with (the cons i mean).
You're suggesting the same idea as Rantai with a different point of appoaching doing so, lynching town is no better than doing a no lynch, actually is way worse and it doesn't help the situation, doing a No-Lynch as i already said gives Mafia a use that helps town.
To be honest it all comes up to me wanting to do a no jester lynch win on town's side, and i feel like you see the things from a really objective way generalizing concepts way too much, the no-lynch here has a lot of pro's and a few cons which i personally don't agree with (the cons i mean).
sooooo much tl;dr posts wow
I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
There is also that, i to be honest care about a perfect win .. but the jesters could work as a 'shield' too, the thing is that doing a no lynch we protect our townies from mafia kills and take them out instead at the same time making our lynches easier to make.
Topic Starter
Few jesters just got blessed by Satan. Their powers has been raised. Some of them have new win conditions.
new win conditions.*okay*
Now I don't even know if we should proceed with our No-Lynch bahhhh
Topic Starter
VOTE STATUS
No Lynch (6) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, DeathxShinigami, Rantai
Sync (1) - Lybydose
Lybydose (1) - pieguy1372
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Sync
Salvage (1) - Mashley
No Lynch (6) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, DeathxShinigami, Rantai
Sync (1) - Lybydose
Lybydose (1) - pieguy1372
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Sync
Salvage (1) - Mashley
Unvote for now
i still think that win condition didn't affect the no-lynch result but both this and the opposite idea are just assumptions about the situation so i really don' know
i'd say that thing is an action from one of the independants but i have no idea lol.
i'd say that thing is an action from one of the independants but i have no idea lol.
Noo, I didn't get any powers
My hunch is that the power ups are scenario based ones where if we do no-lynch something happens to one of the jesters.
It's a stretch.
It's a stretch.
what a coincidence it affects something we bring up in the game
i don't think mara really prepared for the no-lynch situation but well
i don't think mara really prepared for the no-lynch situation but well
so are we all just going to ignore the fact that jinxyjem faked a vig shot?
I didn't notice that good point
Also Wojjan joining the Mafia/Jester side, we can start counting people that are not town atleast.
Also Wojjan joining the Mafia/Jester side, we can start counting people that are not town atleast.
Huh, you're right, what the hell happened to my shot
I swear my role pm said I was a compulsive vig...
...maraaaaaa
I swear my role pm said I was a compulsive vig...
...maraaaaaa
unvote vote Jinxy
Don't know what a vig is...
vigilante
I think JInxy's just saying "I didn't get the right role PM" just to have that as a fake claim.
I won't take anything that happens atleast d1 as true taking in mind this shitty wifom, so that vig shot could've done to make him a lynch target the same way it could not, so nothing here.
I'm still and i think i will for the rest of the day, up for a no-lynch, and unless something that can prevent or give town a better choice i won't change my mind about it.
I'm still and i think i will for the rest of the day, up for a no-lynch, and unless something that can prevent or give town a better choice i won't change my mind about it.
Unvote
Vote: Salvage
Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
Vote: Salvage
Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
But salvage is keeping this game interesting! why would you want to lynch him?... even if he is being anti-town and anti-jester by refusing to win with jestersRantai wrote:
Unvote
Vote: Salvage
Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
Screw interesting, pragmatic is the way to go.
Also I'm basically doing the same thing except I want lynches on non jesters and jesters shot at night.
Either way I don't really care. I've already stated as long as I don't get lynched I basically win. So I'm free to do whatever I want~
Also I'm basically doing the same thing except I want lynches on non jesters and jesters shot at night.
Either way I don't really care. I've already stated as long as I don't get lynched I basically win. So I'm free to do whatever I want~
why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
goddamnit with your WIFOM
i dunno, because it also makes it harder for town to win?Sync wrote:
why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
?
we aren't, or at least I'm not...
we aren't, or at least I'm not...
Jester wins don't end the game, I thought, right?bmin11 wrote:
uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
I feel kinda dumb for some reason. Anyway, I'm going to vote: No-Lynch again. I'll lol if mara actually puts a counter no-lynch measure while the game is already running.
Rantai is again saying he wants to lynch a Town member
Who wants me to scan him, if he doesn't flip jester then he's third party as he says or mafia, and we lynch him tommorrow (this accomplish 2 things: first we don't lynch town, which is a crucial part, and second we lynch a mafia/third party player that probabbly affects town in a disadvantageous way.
If he does flip Jester we would be in kind of the same situation as today but with 1 less lynch target, even better if i get motivated .. with all this i think we'll be able to actually lynch with pretty good chances of not hitting jester and hitting mafia on D3 or so.
Who wants me to scan him, if he doesn't flip jester then he's third party as he says or mafia, and we lynch him tommorrow (this accomplish 2 things: first we don't lynch town, which is a crucial part, and second we lynch a mafia/third party player that probabbly affects town in a disadvantageous way.
If he does flip Jester we would be in kind of the same situation as today but with 1 less lynch target, even better if i get motivated .. with all this i think we'll be able to actually lynch with pretty good chances of not hitting jester and hitting mafia on D3 or so.
unvote vote: no lynch
Actually the jesters and indies make up the voting majority. Who wants to band together and vote off town 1 by 1 then decide how to distribute the remaining lynches such that all the jesters win?
With me being the last one alive, of course so I can joint win~
I wonder if rantai is maf
That's assuming some jesters want to risk their win to give the win to others since they will lose that power on later days and town will right asap know who all the jesters are making it much easier and taking everything out of the question, aka won't happen.
Bandwagon
Vote: No Lynch
Vote: No Lynch
unvote vote Rantai
Unvote
Vote: Sync
Vote: Sync
oh shit
unvote vote DxS
hahahaha omgus
unvote vote DxS
hahahaha omgus
DYING TOGETHER
BYE GUYS
BYE GUYS
as a final note, I'd like to say that my only regret was not getting lewa lynched
Wait wow people are still supporting a no-lynch. You're just supporting Salvage's inane plan for a 'perfect win'. And frankly, it's not happening. Almost half of the players are jesters, it's just unreasonable to think we can go through this game without lynching a few.
Objection?bmin11 wrote:
I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
13 vs 11 (assuming mafia want to help town)Salvage wrote:
That's assuming some jesters want to risk their win to give the win to others since they will lose that power on later days and town will right asap know who all the jesters are making it much easier and taking everything out of the question, aka won't happen.
12 vs 10
11 vs 9
10 vs 8
etc etc. this assumes a jester is shot every night though. So yes some jesters will lose the game however if they follow a no lynch schedule they are guaranteed to lose no matter what because well, no lynches.
So jesteroonies, who's in?
I have a feeling Rantai is mafia trying to pose as a jester
Already stated I am not a jester.
Basically how this is going to work, fellow indies is that we're going to break the trend. Instead of lynching scum, we're going to lynch town and mafia. It'll be glorious.
Basically how this is going to work, fellow indies is that we're going to break the trend. Instead of lynching scum, we're going to lynch town and mafia. It'll be glorious.
I'm going to do whatever, throwing in newcomers into the mix makes it unreliable though.
unvote vote rantai
You would.
Seriously though it is the best plan imo. Well unless you're town/mafia I guess.
But come on you kill joy.
Seriously though it is the best plan imo. Well unless you're town/mafia I guess.
But come on you kill joy.
Wishy-washy voting, Sync. Good job showing everyone that you're a jester.
^
lol nice catch i didn't see that.
Also btw that jester thing is not gonna happen.
And the no-lynch situation is rejected by Mashley cause he's too much into the 'no lynch is the worst idea' thing that is usually applicable on most of the games, that's whats wrong with generalizing concepts, no lynch shouldn't be an option in this game if it wasn't good in any situation (it actually is on the last days sometimes but it can be used to help town in this game D1 and maybe D2)
I'd love to hear some valid arguments against it Mashley, cause i already gave several ones that says why is it good, otherwise ur oppenly playing against town the same way Rantai is.
lol nice catch i didn't see that.
Also btw that jester thing is not gonna happen.
And the no-lynch situation is rejected by Mashley cause he's too much into the 'no lynch is the worst idea' thing that is usually applicable on most of the games, that's whats wrong with generalizing concepts, no lynch shouldn't be an option in this game if it wasn't good in any situation (it actually is on the last days sometimes but it can be used to help town in this game D1 and maybe D2)
I'd love to hear some valid arguments against it Mashley, cause i already gave several ones that says why is it good, otherwise ur oppenly playing against town the same way Rantai is.
Because I can:
Vote: Salvage
Vote: Salvage
That's the whole point. You see the indies don't HAVE to play with the town this game.
That's a general concept that can be thrown out the window because it's the majority that has the power.
Basically they are all presented with 2 choices. Follow town and get picked off one by one as they are copped or band together and deny a town/mafia win.
Up to you guys, but I like the sound of the second one.
That's a general concept that can be thrown out the window because it's the majority that has the power.
Basically they are all presented with 2 choices. Follow town and get picked off one by one as they are copped or band together and deny a town/mafia win.
Up to you guys, but I like the sound of the second one.
For the sake of fun and giggles I beseech you jesters and indie to rise up against our town oppressors and show them the power of the jesters (and indies).
Makes him pro-jester to me, good.
If you are anti-jester, you are to be lynched.
If you are anti-jester, you are to be lynched.
I've said it before. I'm as town as town can be.
...wait. I just realized, that means nothing at this moment.
I honestly don't care who wins.
I honestly don't care who wins.
..as long as it's not mafia.Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
...wait. I just realized, that means nothing at this moment.
I honestly don't care who wins.
get the townieSwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
I've said it before. I'm as town as town can be.
vote: vash
Yes, because I'm never townie. >_> (In your eyes, that is)Wojjan wrote:
get the townieSwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
I've said it before. I'm as town as town can be.
vote: vash
Vote: No-lynch
Im mean and won't simply let a survivor win by stating their wincon, scum should NK a jester if they want to win, if that wasn't obvious.
Im mean and won't simply let a survivor win by stating their wincon, scum should NK a jester if they want to win, if that wasn't obvious.
^ clearly mafia.
If jesters are going to overthrow town and mafia, I'd rather cooperate with mafia for the first days instead of letting the jesters lynch us.
I'm gonna laugh really hard when this strategy goes to waste, 'cause in the long run, it's not that helpful at all.
I mean, sure, there are 11 jesters out there, but does that really mean you should give a damn that they're there? Nah. Going for a 100% no-lynch strategy doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get jesters every single time. Hell, even the mafia could do something like "Let's NK this guy" or "Let's NK that guy". It's all pointless for town to try to side with the mafia. I wouldn't even be surprised if Salvage IS mafia, to be honest.
I mean, sure, there are 11 jesters out there, but does that really mean you should give a damn that they're there? Nah. Going for a 100% no-lynch strategy doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get jesters every single time. Hell, even the mafia could do something like "Let's NK this guy" or "Let's NK that guy". It's all pointless for town to try to side with the mafia. I wouldn't even be surprised if Salvage IS mafia, to be honest.
Vote Salvage and you may just be spared for now, guy.
Besides we'll need some townies to lynch the jesters. It's all down to if you want to co-operate or die by the hands of the mob.
And it's more hilarious this way.
Besides we'll need some townies to lynch the jesters. It's all down to if you want to co-operate or die by the hands of the mob.
And it's more hilarious this way.
I propose two options for town and mafia if Jesters do really want to do what Rantai is doing.
We quickly do a No-Lynch and keep on going against the jesters denying that from happening, or we hammer the indie (possible jester too) and go on with the same idea ignoring that awfull plan.
So basically we can do a no lynch and i'll scan Rantai to make sure he's not a jester and lynch him tommorrow, and we can arrange here who Mafia should kill here, town and mafia should work together atleast till Jesters are a minimun of people .. or we can lynch Rantai asap and risk him being a Jester (i personally do not like this choice but it's one to take in mind).
Either the need of making a target for mafia to kill it's needed cause otherwise we'll be facing the same jester problem again tommorrow.
So here is my suggest: No lynch today, mafia kills Sync i scan Rantai.
any objections?
We quickly do a No-Lynch and keep on going against the jesters denying that from happening, or we hammer the indie (possible jester too) and go on with the same idea ignoring that awfull plan.
So basically we can do a no lynch and i'll scan Rantai to make sure he's not a jester and lynch him tommorrow, and we can arrange here who Mafia should kill here, town and mafia should work together atleast till Jesters are a minimun of people .. or we can lynch Rantai asap and risk him being a Jester (i personally do not like this choice but it's one to take in mind).
Either the need of making a target for mafia to kill it's needed cause otherwise we'll be facing the same jester problem again tommorrow.
So here is my suggest: No lynch today, mafia kills Sync i scan Rantai.
any objections?
Even though he claimed survivor, and you want to lynch him.
Smart thinking, Salvage.
/sarcasm
Smart thinking, Salvage.
/sarcasm
Again you don't have the majority, Salvage.
Even if you convinced every mafia and town to work with you, you'll be 3 votes short.
Even if you convinced every mafia and town to work with you, you'll be 3 votes short.
?
explain that swift please cause i don't get what you mean .. we'd be lynching someone who isn't town and jester .. so it would help town also taking in mind he has anti town iniciatives he's suggesting.
explain that swift please cause i don't get what you mean .. we'd be lynching someone who isn't town and jester .. so it would help town also taking in mind he has anti town iniciatives he's suggesting.
Rantai wrote:
Again you don't have the majority, Salvage.
Even if you convinced every mafia and town to work with you, you'll be 3 votes short.
activeness > mayoritiy.
bring them all up and we'll talk then
--> implying town is active
Besides we have a week.
Also requesting a vote count somewhere please.
Besides we have a week.
Also requesting a vote count somewhere please.
You do a no-lynch, and you get a 0% chance of hitting town, mafia, and jesters. Cool, but wouldn't you rather try to hit a mafia instead? Sure, odds are, you'll hit a jester, but think about it for a moment, would you rather go for a lynch and at least TRY to get a mafia instead of doing this no-lynch strategy?
Now, about the survivor. Why do you want to lynch a survivor in the first place? Unless he really IS a jester (which I doubt, by the way), I don't think doing this is a good idea.
Now, about the survivor. Why do you want to lynch a survivor in the first place? Unless he really IS a jester (which I doubt, by the way), I don't think doing this is a good idea.
I'd rather like it if jesters actually earned their win by being lynch-able, I guess I may change my mind later in the day :s
Earning their win is by banding together and forcing it instead of milling around hoping to be lynched.
No?
No?
Jesters WANT to get voted for.
I don't. ...nor do I know why Wojjan is voting for me.
I don't. ...nor do I know why Wojjan is voting for me.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
You do a no-lynch, and you get a 0% chance of hitting town, mafia, and jesters. Cool, but wouldn't you rather try to hit a mafia instead? Sure, odds are, you'll hit a jester, but think about it for a moment, would you rather go for a lynch and at least TRY to get a mafia instead of doing this no-lynch strategy?
Now, about the survivor. Why do you want to lynch a survivor in the first place? Unless he really IS a jester (which I doubt, by the way), I don't think doing this is a good idea.
i wouldn't try to hit mafia instead cause that would give jesters more advantage against town, we need to cooperate with mafia to take the jesters away from the picture and take some mafias in the proccess, then play a traditional game after that, if we take mafia at the beginning it's a free win for atleast 70% of the jesters and a possible high chances of loosing for town.
the no-lynch strategy can break all this cons regarding the town dissadvantage against the jesters if mafia works with town atleast the first two days
about lynching the indie it's just because he's having several anti-town suggestions and that doesn't help us at all.
Simple, you're not a jester.
Though I'd still rather see Salvage lynched because you seem to not be against us, for now.
Though I'd still rather see Salvage lynched because you seem to not be against us, for now.