Like I said in that same quote:
Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
I can't remember how they work, and the MS Wiki is down.
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Serious or not, you just made my day with that statement.Sync wrote:
I totally quoted you on that and it will lie in the banks of my meta storage for the rest of my life
come on though it's a doctor not some random obscure role
honestly I have no idea how you would think that; it makes me think you're saying something so stupid intentionally. I've never played a game with you so I wouldn't know
honestly I have no idea how you would think that; it makes me think you're saying something so stupid intentionally. I've never played a game with you so I wouldn't know
Hey, I just said I can't remember how they work. Twice, already.
Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they were like that in this game, though, since this IS a bastard mod (Unless it's just jesters in a normal mod).
Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if they were like that in this game, though, since this IS a bastard mod (Unless it's just jesters in a normal mod).
assuming those kind of things is useless since it gives more wifom to the huge ball of it we already have
also relying so much in ms it's for noobs you learn things from experience not from some shitty wiki
also relying so much in ms it's for noobs you learn things from experience not from some shitty wiki
Says the guy who literally stated that he read all the roles on the MS Wiki.
Salvage wrote:
also relying so much in ms it's for noobs you learn things from experience not from some shitty wiki
i use that wiki to know the mechanics of some roles i don't know only, and after that the wiki becomes useless, you don't have to take what i'm saying as a flame against you, i'm just trying to give u some tips to become better, unless you want to stay bad which i'm pretty cool with.
lol
I read through most of the roles at least once just because I wanted to (and it has stuff for new mods who have no idea what they are doing)
but everybody thinking that scum gets to know who the doc tried to protect the night he got killed is just ridiculous
I read through most of the roles at least once just because I wanted to (and it has stuff for new mods who have no idea what they are doing)
but everybody thinking that scum gets to know who the doc tried to protect the night he got killed is just ridiculous
While I understand that you want me to improve, simply stating that relying so much on the MS Wiki is for noobs is a bit stretching it, especially since some people use it for reference.
..But okay.
..But okay.
Mara has already claimed it's not bastard, only the weirdass roles are.
I can't remember where it was, but I could've sworn I saw it somewhere. It might not have been the doc.Sync wrote:
lol
I read through most of the roles at least once just because I wanted to (and it has stuff for new mods who have no idea what they are doing)
but everybody thinking that scum gets to know who the doc tried to protect the night he got killed is just ridiculous
Okay then, that means that has jesters in a normal mod.JInxyjem wrote:
Mara has already claimed it's not bastard, only the weirdass roles are.
unvote vote Yellow Swiftail Wolf
I've made my mistake, and I know it.
Can we move on, now?
Can we move on, now?
I think you're just trying to fuck with out heads
Just FYI, I've been doing that since Less Experimental Mafia 2.
why would you justify my vote
are you a jester
are you a jester
I'm as town as town can be.
I think you are mafia trying to get people to think you are a jester so they won't lynch you
You're clever, Sync.
thx
and as i said before we can't go on with that wifom you're naming right there sync
i want to end this game with no jester lynchs and the only way i see this happening it's with me clearing them out of the way and the doctor protecting me and staying low so mafia doens't kill him
going through that ball of wifom it's not an option for me, even tho Swift it's not acting out of normal at all, it's not a chance to lynch him.
i want to end this game with no jester lynchs and the only way i see this happening it's with me clearing them out of the way and the doctor protecting me and staying low so mafia doens't kill him
going through that ball of wifom it's not an option for me, even tho Swift it's not acting out of normal at all, it's not a chance to lynch him.
lol
how in the world are we going to manage lynching 0 jesters when there are 11 in the game
how in the world are we going to manage lynching 0 jesters when there are 11 in the game
that's my goal
we can do it, it shouldn't be that hard anyways.
we can do it, it shouldn't be that hard anyways.
Yeah, good luck with that.
are you implying that you aren't a townie and that your goal is to not win with town
I'd recommend starting with the people who are claiming jester, not because of the fact that they are jesters, but because they could be using that as a fakeclaim.Salvage wrote:
that's my goal
we can do it, it shouldn't be that hard anyways.
I've said it before:Sync wrote:
are you implying that you aren't a townie and that your goal is to not win with town
Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
I'm as town as town can be.
I thought that was sarcasm
Also, just because I have this strange hunch, I think Salvage is a Cop Jester and his win con is to search a certain amount of jesters.
But hey, it's just a random thought. You never know. It could be some other claimed cop.
But hey, it's just a random thought. You never know. It could be some other claimed cop.
mod: Do jesters have specific wincons?
how did you know this
how did you know this
First post:
LunaticMara wrote:
To make things even worse, every jester has some special powers. Are you ready for the madness?
that doesn't mean they have specific wincons
You never know.
Hell, even Rantai said something about a doc jester wincon not too long ago.
Hell, even Rantai said something about a doc jester wincon not too long ago.
...Okay, so it's not exactly a doc jester, but still, you get my point.Rantai wrote:
The matter of fact is; our doctor is actually a bodyguard jester who's win condition is to get shot.
confirmed jesters:
-- Swiftail yellow wolf
-- rantai
-- Swiftail yellow wolf
-- rantai
It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
Nothing it's confirmed till it's confirmed Sync i won't go along with that they can be mafia still
the rantai thing was just an assumption i think and it's a pretty useless one just like the one everyone is doing right now, i won't base anything on assumption till i rolecop atleast a few
if there is a motivator motivate me and we have x2 confirmed per day, not for sure anyways, not so likely like the being of a doctor.
the rantai thing was just an assumption i think and it's a pretty useless one just like the one everyone is doing right now, i won't base anything on assumption till i rolecop atleast a few
if there is a motivator motivate me and we have x2 confirmed per day, not for sure anyways, not so likely like the being of a doctor.
then what made you think that they would have one
using the word confirmed lightly of course
cause doctor is commun in every mafia game
i think there's allways been one on every game i played, that's what makes me confirm it and rely on it, chance based (pretty high if you ask me).
i think there's allways been one on every game i played, that's what makes me confirm it and rely on it, chance based (pretty high if you ask me).
andSwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
Also, just because I have this strange hunch, I think Salvage is a Cop Jester and his win con is to search a certain amount of jesters.
But hey, it's just a random thought. You never know. It could be some other claimed cop.
Geez. I don't know how many times you've missed the bolded words.Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
no I meant the specific winconsSalvage wrote:
cause doctor is commun in every mafia game
i think there's allways been one on every game i played, that's what makes me confirm it and rely on it, chance based (pretty high if you ask me).
also I don't believe you swiftail yellow wolf
please change your name to something easier to type
Tossin' that outSwiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:
It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
he could be lying
Topic Starter
Sync wrote:
mod: Do jesters have specific wincons?
They don't, but some jesters have a bonus objective to get more powers to help themself.
oh ok thx for clearing it up
ok guys i'm going to uni then work i probabbly won't be able to post at work this week anyways so back in about 10 hours
... you took my bodyguard speculation seriously?
Well ok then.
Well ok then.
Hi, Im a completely roleless town, fabolous how Im contributing
Holy freaking who.
Hiiiiiiiiii.
Lynch Salvage please.
Hiiiiiiiiii.
Lynch Salvage please.
I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages
why
why
So checking Rantai's ISO, he wants to lynch Salvage because Sal's the most town and least jesterly
Really now
I can't even vote Rantai because that would be defeating the point of this game
Really now
I can't even vote Rantai because that would be defeating the point of this game
HI THERE QUARAEZHA
Because smart people wanna smartragelewa wrote:
I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages
why
You shouldn't be voting me anyway, I'm just a survivor.
Basically we want to lynch town (or mafia until they have 1) to allow mafia to kill off all the jesters. Then we can do whatever after that.
Basically we want to lynch town (or mafia until they have 1) to allow mafia to kill off all the jesters. Then we can do whatever after that.
But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
To prevent us from doing it over and over, yes; it's called "the mafia and other kill roles killing us while we do nothing."Rantai wrote:
But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
Okay i just made me a bit of time to post and i want to say that i find it hillarous that Rantai is PROPOSING TO LYNCH TOWN
He clearly thinks that i'm town and he's openly proposing to lynch a town member and a clear way to detect and nulify jesters
As anti town as that is i'm not voting him for reasons previously stated, i'll stick with the no-lynch situation since i think there isn't any anti no-lynch mechanism, to be honest i don't expect mara to implement that (not disregarding him, just characterizing him.)
He clearly thinks that i'm town and he's openly proposing to lynch a town member and a clear way to detect and nulify jesters
As anti town as that is i'm not voting him for reasons previously stated, i'll stick with the no-lynch situation since i think there isn't any anti no-lynch mechanism, to be honest i don't expect mara to implement that (not disregarding him, just characterizing him.)
Vote Salvage
Because he was the first to seriously suggest a no-lynch which is obviously a ridiculous idea.
Because he was the first to seriously suggest a no-lynch which is obviously a ridiculous idea.
Too much nonsensical shit is going on, I don't want to join your silly claims just yet.JInxyjem wrote:
HI THERE QUARAEZHA
You didn't expect a sensible game, did you?
It is a ridicously idea cause people say it is.
^ That is the thing you base on to say it is an 'obviously' ridiculous idea.
The thing that you 'obviously' don't take in mind is that every game is not clearly the same, and this one is different than the others for reasons based on the setup, regarding that we know there are 11 jesters in this game and the only (best) way to end this game with a Town win is with no jester deaths and with obviously mafia taken off.
Now all this result cannot be achieved if we lynch any jester day 1, which is a really high chance this day .. a little bit less than a 50% chances of doing so, and a bit more having in mind all the wifom involved in the situation.
From all this if we no-lynch there is also needed to have in mind that a mafia kill has the same chances of hitting a jester, plus my investigation (also the possibility of Backfire being a cop too, not the same results ofc cause a normal Cop doesn't have the same succes of outing Jesters but a nice one to out Mafia instead), having the same chances of denying a jester lynch.
So basically don't take the No-Lynch thing as a similar concept or idea of how usefull it is without having in mind any situation at all, and finally with this i mean that you should analyze every situation in particular to know which chain of actions is the the one that fits it the most.
^ That is the thing you base on to say it is an 'obviously' ridiculous idea.
The thing that you 'obviously' don't take in mind is that every game is not clearly the same, and this one is different than the others for reasons based on the setup, regarding that we know there are 11 jesters in this game and the only (best) way to end this game with a Town win is with no jester deaths and with obviously mafia taken off.
Now all this result cannot be achieved if we lynch any jester day 1, which is a really high chance this day .. a little bit less than a 50% chances of doing so, and a bit more having in mind all the wifom involved in the situation.
From all this if we no-lynch there is also needed to have in mind that a mafia kill has the same chances of hitting a jester, plus my investigation (also the possibility of Backfire being a cop too, not the same results ofc cause a normal Cop doesn't have the same succes of outing Jesters but a nice one to out Mafia instead), having the same chances of denying a jester lynch.
So basically don't take the No-Lynch thing as a similar concept or idea of how usefull it is without having in mind any situation at all, and finally with this i mean that you should analyze every situation in particular to know which chain of actions is the the one that fits it the most.
Salvage you know we don't lose if a jester gets lynched right lol? I know we'll probably hit a jester but that will just make us more likely to hit mafia tomorrow... we can win alongside jesters.
Salvage knows that, but he just wants a perfect win
I don't want to, that's the point, i want town and town only to win
You're suggesting the same idea as Rantai with a different point of appoaching doing so, lynching town is no better than doing a no lynch, actually is way worse and it doesn't help the situation, doing a No-Lynch as i already said gives Mafia a use that helps town.
To be honest it all comes up to me wanting to do a no jester lynch win on town's side, and i feel like you see the things from a really objective way generalizing concepts way too much, the no-lynch here has a lot of pro's and a few cons which i personally don't agree with (the cons i mean).
You're suggesting the same idea as Rantai with a different point of appoaching doing so, lynching town is no better than doing a no lynch, actually is way worse and it doesn't help the situation, doing a No-Lynch as i already said gives Mafia a use that helps town.
To be honest it all comes up to me wanting to do a no jester lynch win on town's side, and i feel like you see the things from a really objective way generalizing concepts way too much, the no-lynch here has a lot of pro's and a few cons which i personally don't agree with (the cons i mean).
sooooo much tl;dr posts wow
I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
There is also that, i to be honest care about a perfect win .. but the jesters could work as a 'shield' too, the thing is that doing a no lynch we protect our townies from mafia kills and take them out instead at the same time making our lynches easier to make.
Topic Starter
Few jesters just got blessed by Satan. Their powers has been raised. Some of them have new win conditions.
new win conditions.*okay*
Now I don't even know if we should proceed with our No-Lynch bahhhh
Topic Starter
VOTE STATUS
No Lynch (6) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, DeathxShinigami, Rantai
Sync (1) - Lybydose
Lybydose (1) - pieguy1372
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Sync
Salvage (1) - Mashley
No Lynch (6) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, DeathxShinigami, Rantai
Sync (1) - Lybydose
Lybydose (1) - pieguy1372
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Sync
Salvage (1) - Mashley
Unvote for now
i still think that win condition didn't affect the no-lynch result but both this and the opposite idea are just assumptions about the situation so i really don' know
i'd say that thing is an action from one of the independants but i have no idea lol.
i'd say that thing is an action from one of the independants but i have no idea lol.
Noo, I didn't get any powers
My hunch is that the power ups are scenario based ones where if we do no-lynch something happens to one of the jesters.
It's a stretch.
It's a stretch.
what a coincidence it affects something we bring up in the game
i don't think mara really prepared for the no-lynch situation but well
i don't think mara really prepared for the no-lynch situation but well
so are we all just going to ignore the fact that jinxyjem faked a vig shot?
I didn't notice that good point
Also Wojjan joining the Mafia/Jester side, we can start counting people that are not town atleast.
Also Wojjan joining the Mafia/Jester side, we can start counting people that are not town atleast.
Huh, you're right, what the hell happened to my shot
I swear my role pm said I was a compulsive vig...
...maraaaaaa
I swear my role pm said I was a compulsive vig...
...maraaaaaa
unvote vote Jinxy
Don't know what a vig is...
vigilante
I think JInxy's just saying "I didn't get the right role PM" just to have that as a fake claim.
I won't take anything that happens atleast d1 as true taking in mind this shitty wifom, so that vig shot could've done to make him a lynch target the same way it could not, so nothing here.
I'm still and i think i will for the rest of the day, up for a no-lynch, and unless something that can prevent or give town a better choice i won't change my mind about it.
I'm still and i think i will for the rest of the day, up for a no-lynch, and unless something that can prevent or give town a better choice i won't change my mind about it.
Unvote
Vote: Salvage
Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
Vote: Salvage
Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
But salvage is keeping this game interesting! why would you want to lynch him?... even if he is being anti-town and anti-jester by refusing to win with jestersRantai wrote:
Unvote
Vote: Salvage
Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
Screw interesting, pragmatic is the way to go.
Also I'm basically doing the same thing except I want lynches on non jesters and jesters shot at night.
Either way I don't really care. I've already stated as long as I don't get lynched I basically win. So I'm free to do whatever I want~
Also I'm basically doing the same thing except I want lynches on non jesters and jesters shot at night.
Either way I don't really care. I've already stated as long as I don't get lynched I basically win. So I'm free to do whatever I want~
why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
goddamnit with your WIFOM
i dunno, because it also makes it harder for town to win?Sync wrote:
why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
?
we aren't, or at least I'm not...
we aren't, or at least I'm not...
Jester wins don't end the game, I thought, right?bmin11 wrote:
uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
I feel kinda dumb for some reason. Anyway, I'm going to vote: No-Lynch again. I'll lol if mara actually puts a counter no-lynch measure while the game is already running.
Rantai is again saying he wants to lynch a Town member
Who wants me to scan him, if he doesn't flip jester then he's third party as he says or mafia, and we lynch him tommorrow (this accomplish 2 things: first we don't lynch town, which is a crucial part, and second we lynch a mafia/third party player that probabbly affects town in a disadvantageous way.
If he does flip Jester we would be in kind of the same situation as today but with 1 less lynch target, even better if i get motivated .. with all this i think we'll be able to actually lynch with pretty good chances of not hitting jester and hitting mafia on D3 or so.
Who wants me to scan him, if he doesn't flip jester then he's third party as he says or mafia, and we lynch him tommorrow (this accomplish 2 things: first we don't lynch town, which is a crucial part, and second we lynch a mafia/third party player that probabbly affects town in a disadvantageous way.
If he does flip Jester we would be in kind of the same situation as today but with 1 less lynch target, even better if i get motivated .. with all this i think we'll be able to actually lynch with pretty good chances of not hitting jester and hitting mafia on D3 or so.
unvote vote: no lynch
Actually the jesters and indies make up the voting majority. Who wants to band together and vote off town 1 by 1 then decide how to distribute the remaining lynches such that all the jesters win?