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Rantai
Screw interesting, pragmatic is the way to go.

Also I'm basically doing the same thing except I want lynches on non jesters and jesters shot at night.

Either way I don't really care. I've already stated as long as I don't get lynched I basically win. So I'm free to do whatever I want~
Sync
why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
bmin11
goddamnit with your WIFOM
Dusty

Sync wrote:

why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
i dunno, because it also makes it harder for town to win?
bmin11
uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
Sync
?

we aren't, or at least I'm not...
Dusty

bmin11 wrote:

uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
Jester wins don't end the game, I thought, right?
bmin11
I feel kinda dumb for some reason. Anyway, I'm going to vote: No-Lynch again. I'll lol if mara actually puts a counter no-lynch measure while the game is already running.
Salvage
Rantai is again saying he wants to lynch a Town member




Who wants me to scan him, if he doesn't flip jester then he's third party as he says or mafia, and we lynch him tommorrow (this accomplish 2 things: first we don't lynch town, which is a crucial part, and second we lynch a mafia/third party player that probabbly affects town in a disadvantageous way.


If he does flip Jester we would be in kind of the same situation as today but with 1 less lynch target, even better if i get motivated .. with all this i think we'll be able to actually lynch with pretty good chances of not hitting jester and hitting mafia on D3 or so.
pieguyn
unvote vote: no lynch
Rantai
Actually the jesters and indies make up the voting majority. Who wants to band together and vote off town 1 by 1 then decide how to distribute the remaining lynches such that all the jesters win?
Rantai
With me being the last one alive, of course so I can joint win~
Sync
I wonder if rantai is maf
Salvage
That's assuming some jesters want to risk their win to give the win to others since they will lose that power on later days and town will right asap know who all the jesters are making it much easier and taking everything out of the question, aka won't happen.
Quaraezha
Bandwagon
Vote: No Lynch

Sync
unvote vote Rantai
DeathxShinigami
Unvote
Vote: Sync
Sync
oh shit

unvote vote DxS
hahahaha omgus
DeathxShinigami
DYING TOGETHER

BYE GUYS
Sync
as a final note, I'd like to say that my only regret was not getting lewa lynched
Mashley
Wait wow people are still supporting a no-lynch. You're just supporting Salvage's inane plan for a 'perfect win'. And frankly, it's not happening. Almost half of the players are jesters, it's just unreasonable to think we can go through this game without lynching a few.
bmin11

bmin11 wrote:

I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
Objection?
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

That's assuming some jesters want to risk their win to give the win to others since they will lose that power on later days and town will right asap know who all the jesters are making it much easier and taking everything out of the question, aka won't happen.
13 vs 11 (assuming mafia want to help town)

12 vs 10
11 vs 9
10 vs 8

etc etc. this assumes a jester is shot every night though. So yes some jesters will lose the game however if they follow a no lynch schedule they are guaranteed to lose no matter what because well, no lynches.

So jesteroonies, who's in?
Sync
I have a feeling Rantai is mafia trying to pose as a jester
Rantai
Already stated I am not a jester.

Basically how this is going to work, fellow indies is that we're going to break the trend. Instead of lynching scum, we're going to lynch town and mafia. It'll be glorious.
DeathxShinigami
I'm going to do whatever, throwing in newcomers into the mix makes it unreliable though.
Sync
unvote vote rantai
Rantai
You would.

Seriously though it is the best plan imo. Well unless you're town/mafia I guess.

But come on you kill joy.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Wishy-washy voting, Sync. Good job showing everyone that you're a jester.
Salvage
^

lol nice catch i didn't see that.




Also btw that jester thing is not gonna happen.

And the no-lynch situation is rejected by Mashley cause he's too much into the 'no lynch is the worst idea' thing that is usually applicable on most of the games, that's whats wrong with generalizing concepts, no lynch shouldn't be an option in this game if it wasn't good in any situation (it actually is on the last days sometimes but it can be used to help town in this game D1 and maybe D2)


I'd love to hear some valid arguments against it Mashley, cause i already gave several ones that says why is it good, otherwise ur oppenly playing against town the same way Rantai is.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Because I can:

Vote: Salvage
Rantai
That's the whole point. You see the indies don't HAVE to play with the town this game.

That's a general concept that can be thrown out the window because it's the majority that has the power.

Basically they are all presented with 2 choices. Follow town and get picked off one by one as they are copped or band together and deny a town/mafia win.

Up to you guys, but I like the sound of the second one.
Rantai
For the sake of fun and giggles I beseech you jesters and indie to rise up against our town oppressors and show them the power of the jesters (and indies).
Wojjan
vash bandwagoning on salvage
Rantai
Makes him pro-jester to me, good.

If you are anti-jester, you are to be lynched.
TBTE
Sign me up for Replacement.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I've said it before. I'm as town as town can be.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
...wait. I just realized, that means nothing at this moment.

I honestly don't care who wins.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

...wait. I just realized, that means nothing at this moment.

I honestly don't care who wins.
..as long as it's not mafia.
Wojjan

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I've said it before. I'm as town as town can be.
get the townie
vote: vash
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Wojjan wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I've said it before. I'm as town as town can be.
get the townie
vote: vash
Yes, because I'm never townie. >_> (In your eyes, that is)
roufou
Vote: No-lynch


Im mean and won't simply let a survivor win by stating their wincon, scum should NK a jester if they want to win, if that wasn't obvious.
Rantai
^ clearly mafia.
roufou
If jesters are going to overthrow town and mafia, I'd rather cooperate with mafia for the first days instead of letting the jesters lynch us.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I'm gonna laugh really hard when this strategy goes to waste, 'cause in the long run, it's not that helpful at all.

I mean, sure, there are 11 jesters out there, but does that really mean you should give a damn that they're there? Nah. Going for a 100% no-lynch strategy doesn't necessarily mean that you'll get jesters every single time. Hell, even the mafia could do something like "Let's NK this guy" or "Let's NK that guy". It's all pointless for town to try to side with the mafia. I wouldn't even be surprised if Salvage IS mafia, to be honest.
Rantai
Vote Salvage and you may just be spared for now, guy.

Besides we'll need some townies to lynch the jesters. It's all down to if you want to co-operate or die by the hands of the mob.

And it's more hilarious this way.
Salvage
I propose two options for town and mafia if Jesters do really want to do what Rantai is doing.



We quickly do a No-Lynch and keep on going against the jesters denying that from happening, or we hammer the indie (possible jester too) and go on with the same idea ignoring that awfull plan.



So basically we can do a no lynch and i'll scan Rantai to make sure he's not a jester and lynch him tommorrow, and we can arrange here who Mafia should kill here, town and mafia should work together atleast till Jesters are a minimun of people .. or we can lynch Rantai asap and risk him being a Jester (i personally do not like this choice but it's one to take in mind).



Either the need of making a target for mafia to kill it's needed cause otherwise we'll be facing the same jester problem again tommorrow.




So here is my suggest: No lynch today, mafia kills Sync i scan Rantai.


any objections?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Even though he claimed survivor, and you want to lynch him.


Smart thinking, Salvage.


/sarcasm
Rantai
Again you don't have the majority, Salvage.

Even if you convinced every mafia and town to work with you, you'll be 3 votes short.
Salvage
?



explain that swift please cause i don't get what you mean .. we'd be lynching someone who isn't town and jester .. so it would help town also taking in mind he has anti town iniciatives he's suggesting.
Salvage

Rantai wrote:

Again you don't have the majority, Salvage.

Even if you convinced every mafia and town to work with you, you'll be 3 votes short.


activeness > mayoritiy.




bring them all up and we'll talk then
Rantai
--> implying town is active

Besides we have a week.

Also requesting a vote count somewhere please.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You do a no-lynch, and you get a 0% chance of hitting town, mafia, and jesters. Cool, but wouldn't you rather try to hit a mafia instead? Sure, odds are, you'll hit a jester, but think about it for a moment, would you rather go for a lynch and at least TRY to get a mafia instead of doing this no-lynch strategy?

Now, about the survivor. Why do you want to lynch a survivor in the first place? Unless he really IS a jester (which I doubt, by the way), I don't think doing this is a good idea.
roufou
I'd rather like it if jesters actually earned their win by being lynch-able, I guess I may change my mind later in the day :s
Rantai
Earning their win is by banding together and forcing it instead of milling around hoping to be lynched.

No?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Jesters WANT to get voted for.

I don't. ...nor do I know why Wojjan is voting for me.
Salvage

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

You do a no-lynch, and you get a 0% chance of hitting town, mafia, and jesters. Cool, but wouldn't you rather try to hit a mafia instead? Sure, odds are, you'll hit a jester, but think about it for a moment, would you rather go for a lynch and at least TRY to get a mafia instead of doing this no-lynch strategy?

Now, about the survivor. Why do you want to lynch a survivor in the first place? Unless he really IS a jester (which I doubt, by the way), I don't think doing this is a good idea.


i wouldn't try to hit mafia instead cause that would give jesters more advantage against town, we need to cooperate with mafia to take the jesters away from the picture and take some mafias in the proccess, then play a traditional game after that, if we take mafia at the beginning it's a free win for atleast 70% of the jesters and a possible high chances of loosing for town.



the no-lynch strategy can break all this cons regarding the town dissadvantage against the jesters if mafia works with town atleast the first two days


about lynching the indie it's just because he's having several anti-town suggestions and that doesn't help us at all.
Rantai
Simple, you're not a jester.

Though I'd still rather see Salvage lynched because you seem to not be against us, for now.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..You know what would be hilarious?

I'm restating my earlier claim about Salvage, by the way:

If he was a cop jester, but instead of winning by getting X amount of jester searches, he gets a power for every jester he searches. I dunno what, but it's possible.
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

i wouldn't try to hit mafia instead cause that would give jesters more advantage against town, we need to cooperate with mafia to take the jesters away from the picture and take some mafias in the proccess, then play a traditional game after that, if we take mafia at the beginning it's a free win for atleast 70% of the jesters and a possible high chances of loosing for town.
Hey mafia, do you really want to help this backstabbing 2 timer?

At least I'm open about my intentions and hey who knows, if you kill the town instead of jesters and then lynch them one by one, you'll actually have majority and win too. Because there will eventually be 0 town and 2 jesters assuming me and the other indie live. It's actually very beneficial to you because EVERYONE wins except town.
Salvage

Rantai wrote:

Simple, you're not a jester.

Though I'd still rather see Salvage lynched because you seem to not be against us, for now.


is that a jester claim
roufou
Jesters can't really overthrow us if we lynch one Day1, do they? If Im forced to lynch a jester I will probably do so, but I won't just give them a free win!
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Rantai wrote:

Salvage wrote:

i wouldn't try to hit mafia instead cause that would give jesters more advantage against town, we need to cooperate with mafia to take the jesters away from the picture and take some mafias in the proccess, then play a traditional game after that, if we take mafia at the beginning it's a free win for atleast 70% of the jesters and a possible high chances of loosing for town.
Hey mafia, do you really want to help this backstabbing 2 timer?

At least I'm open about my intentions and hey who knows, if you kill the town instead of jesters and then lynch them one by one, you'll actually have majority and win too. Because there will eventually be 0 town and 2 jesters assuming me and the other indie live. It's actually very beneficial to you because EVERYONE wins except town.
And the two other jesters.

Or, you could do it the other way, and have the mafia killed off, which could lessen (or increase) the number of jester wins.
Rantai
Take it as you want. We indies will have our day.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

AGUYWITHTHENAME wrote:

Jesters can't really overthrow us if we lynch one Day1, do they? If Im forced to lynch a jester I will probably do so, but I won't just give them a free win!
The game doesn't end if a jester wins, if I recall. It continues normally.

Mod: Can you confirm this, please?
Rantai
Well you see, there are less mafia to deal with than town.

Actually I just realised if the mafia are willing to kill off two/three of their own all jesters and indies can win with the mafia.
Topic Starter
Mara
VOTE STATUS

No Lynch (8) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, pieguy1372, Quaraezha, AGUYWITHTHENAME
Salvage (3) - Mashley, Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Sync (2) - Lybydose, DeathxShinigami
Rantai (1) - Sync
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Wojjan

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

The game doesn't end if a jester wins, if I recall. It continues normally.

Mod: Can you confirm this, please?
Correct, game doesn't end if a jester wins.
roufou
I don't think so either, but I won't just let third parties get their wins, it's like giving someone a reward they don't deserve!
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Except survivors can easily get a joint win with town (or mafia, since they're neutral)
Rantai
That's fine, at least I know you're town/mafia.

You remaining jesters/indies vote Salvage if you want a good chance at winning this. Mafia if you want in on this too, just vote Salvage.

Town must burn.
Rantai
Oh yeah @Salvage - it doesn't even matter what I am (Jester or Survivor) because in the end I'm still working towards the same goal (if you really really think I am jester I am willing to never be lynched in order for another jester to win)

In the end not being lynched helps my agenda both ways so yeah post digging won't help you here ^_^
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

LunaticMara wrote:

VOTE STATUS

No Lynch (8) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, pieguy1372, Quaraezha, AGUYWITHTHENAME
Salvage (3) - Mashley, Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Sync (2) - Lybydose, DeathxShinigami
Rantai (1) - Sync
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Wojjan

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

The game doesn't end if a jester wins, if I recall. It continues normally.

Mod: Can you confirm this, please?
Correct, game doesn't end if a jester wins.
Mod: You miscalculated the people that voted for a no lynch. I see seven people, yet it says eight.
Salvage
Let's make it simple Rantai, if Jesters do that you loose and we lynch you eventually are you up for that.






Regarding lynching a jester to prevent them from being mayority it's a decent option if it's nothing else to go along with, the funny thing is that they want to start being lynched one by one and stop the no-lynch plan, but they're voting me instead



Anyways i'd go allong with that No-Lynch thing till we're not mayority anymore then we stick with the lynch being done and then mafia kills a jester and keep on going from that.



The good thing about this is that all the Jesters are gonna be confirmed since they're the only ones that could be against the No-Lynch suggestion, is for Town and Mafia benefit to go along with the no lynch situation and thus if they lynch me at the end Town wouldn't need me anymore cause all the Jesters would be confirmed, so if they lynch me mafia can kill a jester (already confirmed for not voting No-Lynch) and then ignore those players who were in the opposite bandwagon that the No-Lync one.


^, With that said if Jesters go along with the lynch situation they're instantly confirmed and just a minority of jesters will end up winning, and Rantai will be lynched eventually and loose too for being anti-town.
Topic Starter
Mara

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Mod: You miscalculated the people that voted for a no lynch. I see seven people, yet it says eight.
Yup, basic tuuba.

VOTE STATUS

No Lynch (7) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, pieguy1372, Quaraezha, AGUYWITHTHENAME
Salvage (3) - Mashley, Rantai, Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Sync (2) - Lybydose, DeathxShinigami
Rantai (1) - Sync
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Wojjan
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Salvage wrote:

Let's make it simple Rantai, if Jesters do that you loose and we lynch you eventually are you up for that.
Wrong.
Anyways i'd go allong with that No-Lynch thing till we're not mayority anymore then we stick with the lynch being done and then mafia kills a jester and keep on going from that.
...My most recent claim about you being a jester is still holding true.

That and the anti-lynch style jester, where you get some sort of power if you manage to get people to vote no lynch. You've been at it for a while. (Again, I don't care who wins)


With that said if Jesters go along with the lynch situation they're instantly confirmed and just a minority of jesters will end up winning, and Rantai will be lynched eventually and loose too for being anti-town.
...What? I fail to see how this works out. Hell, I could be mafia wanting to get you lynched. You don't know that. You can't just ASSUME that everyone that's not on the no-lynch wagon is a jester.
Rantai
What part of independent makes you think 'anti-town' is a negative factor.

Again I am WILLING TO LOSE for the jesters. With the jesters/indies controlling the votes we can co-ordinate a jester win 1 by 1 until we're left with 1 mafia and 1 (me). Mafia wins, all jesters win and town goes to the corner and cries.

But it is essential that all the town is voted off/night killed now so we can set this up as soon as possible. And remember being confirmed jester means nothing when it's all jesters all day. But yeah, jesters take a good hard look at what will happen if you follow the town path. You are intentionally throwing away your game.
Rantai
ebwop (or whatever it is) - mafia, all jesters and myself win*
Salvage

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

...What? I fail to see how this works out. Hell, I could be mafia wanting to get you lynched. You don't know that. You can't just ASSUME that everyone that's not on the no-lynch wagon is a jester.


Yes i can cause that No-Lynch situation benefits mafia too and the jesters are the only ones that doesn't help.
DeathxShinigami
I'm feeling a little loose right now. How about you Rantai?
Salvage
Again: If jesters vote another jester they'll end up being all confirmed then mafia kills another jester and they're not mayority anymore.
If the jesters vote town they'll still be mayority for one day more so 2 jesters win is the end-up result and the rest will automatically lose for being confirmed.



The only choice for jesters unless they want to give up they win to another jester is to go along with the No-Lynch plan and hope to be randomly lynched later on, otherwise they'll lose either way, your choice.
Rantai
Basically it comes down to this everyone

--> Follow the path of the Jester and reap the benefits of a guaranteed win for your faction*

--> Very coordinated lynches

--> A chance to show that town that them winning is laughable and all that jazz

Or

--> Follow the path of the town and have a slim chance of winning and hope they mislynch badly

--> No lynch like it's the new cool thing and let yourself be exposed one by one

--> Derp

*town not included
Rantai

DeathxShinigami wrote:

I'm feeling a little loose right now. How about you Rantai?
I feel frisky.
Rantai
Anyway going to sleep.

Vote [1] Salvage

For the "Screw you town, I want to win" party.
Salvage

Rantai wrote:

Basically it comes down to this everyone

--> Follow the path of the Jester and reap the benefits of a guaranteed win for your faction* ---> Following this path after the first Jester lynch the rest of the Jesters will be confirmed, mafia kills a Jester and then you're not mayority anymore, you can't keep up with the plan, and you all lose.

--> Very coordinated lynches ---> 2 maximum.

--> A chance to show that town that them winning is laughable and all that jazz ----> Wrong.





Or

--> Follow the path of the town and have a slim chance of winning and hope they mislynch badly ----> Best choice for jesters duh.

--> No lynch like it's the new cool thing and let yourself be exposed one by one ----> ??

--> Derp ---> Herp.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You know, I think it's best to mix the two together. The first step of idea one is indeed stupid, because all jesters will NOT win if they all take out the townies. I think it's just better to simply lynch people left and right, and have cops (Salvage/anyone else, if there is another one) search for the jesters/mafia and simply make another lynch based off of those results.

Simple. Take out all the mafia with cop searches. Even if a jester slips on by and wins, who cares? (Other than you, Salvage)
Salvage
^


Not applicable neither from the Town's side, since Jesters will focus lynching themselves giving town no chances of lynching mafia and letting mafia freelly kill all the townies/rest of the jesters and giving a few jesters, mafia and the indie a free win (not every jester will win anyways since mafia can kill some jesters and townies in the proccess).
Salvage
From town's perspective the only and best choice is the one i already suggested, and if jesters try to avoid it it's their lose anyways and the win of only 2 of them maximum so i'll stick to it still ^___^.
Sync
I want to kill Rantai
Drakari_old
Wait a minute... Salvage's strategy is great for someone who is town and wants only the town (And none else) to win, but I don't even care who wins as long as I survive. No lynch is BAD for me since the game won't end for a long time unless lynches happen.

Unvote: No-lynch
Vote: Salvage


Mainly just because you're the closest to dying.
Wojjan
vote salvage I can deal with this
DeathxShinigami
Unvote
Vote Salvage

Target Locked. Target. Rangers.
Salvage

Drakari wrote:

Wait a minute... Salvage's strategy is great for someone who is town and wants only the town (And none else) to win, but I don't even care who wins as long as I survive. No lynch is BAD for me since the game won't end for a long time unless lynches happen.

Unvote: No-lynch
Vote: Salvage


Mainly just because you're the closest to dying.


Are you the other independant?



Are you mafia?




The thing is if you lynch me town will lose, if there is no way we can arrange some jester wins and a town win but i'd rather not.



I want town and town only to win, but if that's not acchievable i still want town to win so we can give some jesters the win and then hunt mafia, we can't give every jester the win cause that'll go to the mafia side instead, so regarding that i might have to drop the no jester win thing since it's probabbly not gonna happen with this bullshit iniciative.





Lynching a Town is no good for jesters, and it's not good for town .. from Rantai's perspective and his point of view, he wants Jesters to get together and LYNCH JESTERS, so why are you guys voting me? .. i'm like the most logical person in the entire game lmao this is just non sense.
Salvage
The part i don't get is and i want to make this VERY CLEAR, is that if everyone voting me is Jesters and they agreed with Rantai's suggestin then:

- Why are you guys lynching town over Jesters if the idea is to lynch every Jester and give every Jester a win along any other faction?




- Jesters need jesters lynches.

- Town needs everything but town lynches (yeah i want to win, if that jester thing is not gonna happen i can't be stubborn about it and lose).

- Mafia needs town lynches.





So from this perspective everyone who voted me is being pro-mafia and just pro-mafia in any sort of way, i'm willing to contribute with a fiew jester wins if we let it very clear that Town has priority over mafia and if we find one then we'll lynch him by any means.




Really take in mind my points above cause to be honest the only good outcome from my lynch is to mafia and mafia only, and since there is only 4 mafias in this game there is for sure someone who's doing it wrong.
Sync
let's kill rantai plz I think he is mafia
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I'm pretty sure we can handle things without you for once, Salvage. Besides, how many times have you gotten killed/lynched early on?

A lot.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Sync wrote:

let's kill rantai plz I think he is mafia
Weak. Boring. No evidence. What is this nonsensical bullshit.

Plus the fact that you've been saying pretty much the same thing over and over again makes me think you're a lyncher.
Hernan
What's going on in this game?
Salvage

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I'm pretty sure we can handle things without you for once, Salvage. Besides, how many times have you gotten killed/lynched early on?

A lot.

No you cannot.



And what is your argument anyways?



"Hey you're town, you're good but i can do it without you!! i'll kill you to proove i'm good!!!!"



Dude that doesn't even make sense, if you're town you can't kill another town with that shitty argument, i gave this game a lot of information already and i don't give a fuck if you can go on with or without me, lynching me is pro-mafia AND PRO-MAFIA ONLY, there are 4 over 24 players who are mafia in this game, i really suggest you all think twice this cause it's really stupid.
Dusty
Hey Drakari did you just claim survivor too?
vote: Drakari

I find it likely that either you or rantai is SK now
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Salvage wrote:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I'm pretty sure we can handle things without you for once, Salvage. Besides, how many times have you gotten killed/lynched early on?

A lot.

No you cannot.



And what is your argument anyways?



"Hey you're town, you're good but i can do it without you!! i'll kill you to proove i'm good!!!!"



Dude that doesn't even make sense, if you're town you can't kill another town with that shitty argument, i gave this game a lot of information already and i don't give a fuck if you can go on with or without me, lynching me is pro-mafia AND PRO-MAFIA ONLY, there are 4 over 24 players who are mafia in this game, i really suggest you all think twice this cause it's really stupid.
People are just as likely to win with you as without you, to be honest.
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