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Jesterfest (DAY 1)

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Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
and as i said before we can't go on with that wifom you're naming right there sync




i want to end this game with no jester lynchs and the only way i see this happening it's with me clearing them out of the way and the doctor protecting me and staying low so mafia doens't kill him



going through that ball of wifom it's not an option for me, even tho Swift it's not acting out of normal at all, it's not a chance to lynch him.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2011
Sync
lol

how in the world are we going to manage lynching 0 jesters when there are 11 in the game :(
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
that's my goal



we can do it, it shouldn't be that hard anyways.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Yeah, good luck with that.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2011
Sync
are you implying that you aren't a townie and that your goal is to not win with town
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Salvage wrote:

that's my goal



we can do it, it shouldn't be that hard anyways.
I'd recommend starting with the people who are claiming jester, not because of the fact that they are jesters, but because they could be using that as a fakeclaim.

Sync wrote:

are you implying that you aren't a townie and that your goal is to not win with town
I've said it before:

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I'm as town as town can be.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
I thought that was sarcasm
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Also, just because I have this strange hunch, I think Salvage is a Cop Jester and his win con is to search a certain amount of jesters.

But hey, it's just a random thought. You never know. It could be some other claimed cop.
Sync
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Sync
mod: Do jesters have specific wincons?

how did you know this
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
First post:

LunaticMara wrote:

To make things even worse, every jester has some special powers. Are you ready for the madness?
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2011
Sync
that doesn't mean they have specific wincons
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
You never know.

Hell, even Rantai said something about a doc jester wincon not too long ago.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Rantai wrote:

The matter of fact is; our doctor is actually a bodyguard jester who's win condition is to get shot.
...Okay, so it's not exactly a doc jester, but still, you get my point.
Sync
osu! Alumni
1,575 posts
Joined April 2011
Sync
confirmed jesters:
-- Swiftail yellow wolf
-- rantai
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
Nothing it's confirmed till it's confirmed Sync i won't go along with that they can be mafia still



the rantai thing was just an assumption i think and it's a pretty useless one just like the one everyone is doing right now, i won't base anything on assumption till i rolecop atleast a few




if there is a motivator motivate me and we have x2 confirmed per day, not for sure anyways, not so likely like the being of a doctor.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
then what made you think that they would have one
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
using the word confirmed lightly of course
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
cause doctor is commun in every mafia game




i think there's allways been one on every game i played, that's what makes me confirm it and rely on it, chance based (pretty high if you ask me).
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Also, just because I have this strange hunch, I think Salvage is a Cop Jester and his win con is to search a certain amount of jesters.

But hey, it's just a random thought. You never know. It could be some other claimed cop.
and

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
Geez. I don't know how many times you've missed the bolded words.
Sync
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Sync

Salvage wrote:

cause doctor is commun in every mafia game




i think there's allways been one on every game i played, that's what makes me confirm it and rely on it, chance based (pretty high if you ask me).
no I meant the specific wincons

also I don't believe you swiftail yellow wolf

please change your name to something easier to type
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

It's an assumption, Sync. I don't know for sure if they have a special wincon. Hell, I don't have one.
Tossin' that out
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2011
Sync
he could be lying
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Topic Starter
Mara

Sync wrote:

mod: Do jesters have specific wincons?

They don't, but some jesters have a bonus objective to get more powers to help themself.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2011
Sync
oh ok thx for clearing it up
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
ok guys i'm going to uni then work i probabbly won't be able to post at work this week anyways so back in about 10 hours
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
... you took my bodyguard speculation seriously?

Well ok then.
roufou
1,010 posts
Joined September 2011
roufou
Hi, Im a completely roleless town, fabolous how Im contributing
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Holy freaking who.

Hiiiiiiiiii.

Lynch Salvage please.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages

why
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
So checking Rantai's ISO, he wants to lynch Salvage because Sal's the most town and least jesterly

Really now

I can't even vote Rantai because that would be defeating the point of this game
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
HI THERE QUARAEZHA
Mianki
2,701 posts
Joined September 2008
Mianki

ragelewa wrote:

I sleep for 12 hours and we have 14 more pages

why
Because smart people wanna smart
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
You shouldn't be voting me anyway, I'm just a survivor.

Basically we want to lynch town (or mafia until they have 1) to allow mafia to kill off all the jesters. Then we can do whatever after that.
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru

Rantai wrote:

But of course people want to no lynch when it's very clear there has to be some kind of anti-that mechanism.
To prevent us from doing it over and over, yes; it's called "the mafia and other kill roles killing us while we do nothing."
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
Okay i just made me a bit of time to post and i want to say that i find it hillarous that Rantai is PROPOSING TO LYNCH TOWN



He clearly thinks that i'm town and he's openly proposing to lynch a town member and a clear way to detect and nulify jesters



As anti town as that is i'm not voting him for reasons previously stated, i'll stick with the no-lynch situation since i think there isn't any anti no-lynch mechanism, to be honest i don't expect mara to implement that (not disregarding him, just characterizing him.)
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
Vote Salvage
Because he was the first to seriously suggest a no-lynch which is obviously a ridiculous idea.
Quaraezha
1,491 posts
Joined February 2011
Quaraezha

JInxyjem wrote:

HI THERE QUARAEZHA
Too much nonsensical shit is going on, I don't want to join your silly claims just yet.
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
You didn't expect a sensible game, did you?
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
It is a ridicously idea cause people say it is.


^ That is the thing you base on to say it is an 'obviously' ridiculous idea.





The thing that you 'obviously' don't take in mind is that every game is not clearly the same, and this one is different than the others for reasons based on the setup, regarding that we know there are 11 jesters in this game and the only (best) way to end this game with a Town win is with no jester deaths and with obviously mafia taken off.


Now all this result cannot be achieved if we lynch any jester day 1, which is a really high chance this day .. a little bit less than a 50% chances of doing so, and a bit more having in mind all the wifom involved in the situation.


From all this if we no-lynch there is also needed to have in mind that a mafia kill has the same chances of hitting a jester, plus my investigation (also the possibility of Backfire being a cop too, not the same results ofc cause a normal Cop doesn't have the same succes of outing Jesters but a nice one to out Mafia instead), having the same chances of denying a jester lynch.



So basically don't take the No-Lynch thing as a similar concept or idea of how usefull it is without having in mind any situation at all, and finally with this i mean that you should analyze every situation in particular to know which chain of actions is the the one that fits it the most.
Mashley
2,042 posts
Joined September 2008
Mashley
Salvage you know we don't lose if a jester gets lynched right lol? I know we'll probably hit a jester but that will just make us more likely to hit mafia tomorrow... we can win alongside jesters.
thelewa
3,537 posts
Joined August 2010
thelewa
Salvage knows that, but he just wants a perfect win
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
I don't want to, that's the point, i want town and town only to win


You're suggesting the same idea as Rantai with a different point of appoaching doing so, lynching town is no better than doing a no lynch, actually is way worse and it doesn't help the situation, doing a No-Lynch as i already said gives Mafia a use that helps town.


To be honest it all comes up to me wanting to do a no jester lynch win on town's side, and i feel like you see the things from a really objective way generalizing concepts way too much, the no-lynch here has a lot of pro's and a few cons which i personally don't agree with (the cons i mean).
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
sooooo much tl;dr posts wow


I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
There is also that, i to be honest care about a perfect win .. but the jesters could work as a 'shield' too, the thing is that doing a no lynch we protect our townies from mafia kills and take them out instead at the same time making our lynches easier to make.
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Topic Starter
Mara
Few jesters just got blessed by Satan. Their powers has been raised. Some of them have new win conditions.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
new win conditions.
*okay*
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
More wifom iiinto the scene orz
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Now I don't even know if we should proceed with our No-Lynch bahhhh
Mara
4,907 posts
Joined November 2009
Topic Starter
Mara
VOTE STATUS

No Lynch (6) - Drakari, Ekaru, Salvage, bmin11, DeathxShinigami, Rantai
Sync (1) - Lybydose
Lybydose (1) - pieguy1372
Swiftwolf Yellowtail (1) - Sync
Salvage (1) - Mashley
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
Unvote for now
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
i still think that win condition didn't affect the no-lynch result but both this and the opposite idea are just assumptions about the situation so i really don' know



i'd say that thing is an action from one of the independants but i have no idea lol.
Mianki
2,701 posts
Joined September 2008
Mianki
Noo, I didn't get any powers
DeathxShinigami
1,176 posts
Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
My hunch is that the power ups are scenario based ones where if we do no-lynch something happens to one of the jesters.

It's a stretch.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
what a coincidence it affects something we bring up in the game




i don't think mara really prepared for the no-lynch situation but well
Wojjan
806 posts
Joined August 2008
Wojjan
22 pages



vote salvage
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2009
Lybydose
so are we all just going to ignore the fact that jinxyjem faked a vig shot?
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
I didn't notice that good point




Also Wojjan joining the Mafia/Jester side, we can start counting people that are not town atleast.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
Do you want to explain that Jinx
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
Huh, you're right, what the hell happened to my shot

I swear my role pm said I was a compulsive vig...

...maraaaaaa
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
unvote vote Jinxy
Drakari_old
366 posts
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Drakari_old
Don't know what a vig is...
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
vigilante
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
I think JInxy's just saying "I didn't get the right role PM" just to have that as a fake claim.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
I won't take anything that happens atleast d1 as true taking in mind this shitty wifom, so that vig shot could've done to make him a lynch target the same way it could not, so nothing here.



I'm still and i think i will for the rest of the day, up for a no-lynch, and unless something that can prevent or give town a better choice i won't change my mind about it.
Rantai
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Rantai
Unvote

Vote: Salvage

Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
Dusty
870 posts
Joined June 2009
Dusty

Rantai wrote:

Unvote

Vote: Salvage

Bbbbbbbaaaaaaannnnnndddddwwwwwaaaaaggggoooonnnnn,
But salvage is keeping this game interesting! why would you want to lynch him?... even if he is being anti-town and anti-jester by refusing to win with jesters
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Screw interesting, pragmatic is the way to go.

Also I'm basically doing the same thing except I want lynches on non jesters and jesters shot at night.

Either way I don't really care. I've already stated as long as I don't get lynched I basically win. So I'm free to do whatever I want~
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
goddamnit with your WIFOM
Dusty
870 posts
Joined June 2009
Dusty

Sync wrote:

why is he being anti-town by not wanting to let jesters win
i dunno, because it also makes it harder for town to win?
bmin11
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Joined October 2008
bmin11
uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
?

we aren't, or at least I'm not...
Dusty
870 posts
Joined June 2009
Dusty

bmin11 wrote:

uh no. If you guys are having trouble with Jester's wincon, just go to the front page.
Jester wins don't end the game, I thought, right?
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11
I feel kinda dumb for some reason. Anyway, I'm going to vote: No-Lynch again. I'll lol if mara actually puts a counter no-lynch measure while the game is already running.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
Rantai is again saying he wants to lynch a Town member




Who wants me to scan him, if he doesn't flip jester then he's third party as he says or mafia, and we lynch him tommorrow (this accomplish 2 things: first we don't lynch town, which is a crucial part, and second we lynch a mafia/third party player that probabbly affects town in a disadvantageous way.


If he does flip Jester we would be in kind of the same situation as today but with 1 less lynch target, even better if i get motivated .. with all this i think we'll be able to actually lynch with pretty good chances of not hitting jester and hitting mafia on D3 or so.
pieguyn
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Joined May 2009
pieguyn
unvote vote: no lynch
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Actually the jesters and indies make up the voting majority. Who wants to band together and vote off town 1 by 1 then decide how to distribute the remaining lynches such that all the jesters win?
Rantai
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Rantai
With me being the last one alive, of course so I can joint win~
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
I wonder if rantai is maf
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
That's assuming some jesters want to risk their win to give the win to others since they will lose that power on later days and town will right asap know who all the jesters are making it much easier and taking everything out of the question, aka won't happen.
Quaraezha
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Joined February 2011
Quaraezha
Bandwagon
Vote: No Lynch

Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
unvote vote Rantai
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Unvote
Vote: Sync
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
oh shit

unvote vote DxS
hahahaha omgus
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
DYING TOGETHER

BYE GUYS
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
as a final note, I'd like to say that my only regret was not getting lewa lynched
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
Wait wow people are still supporting a no-lynch. You're just supporting Salvage's inane plan for a 'perfect win'. And frankly, it's not happening. Almost half of the players are jesters, it's just unreasonable to think we can go through this game without lynching a few.
bmin11
5,438 posts
Joined October 2008
bmin11

bmin11 wrote:

I don't really care for the perfect win, but why throw away our shields AKA jesters? We can have more nights to perform our abilities if we just no-lynch and let them kill those jesters one by one.
Objection?
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai

Salvage wrote:

That's assuming some jesters want to risk their win to give the win to others since they will lose that power on later days and town will right asap know who all the jesters are making it much easier and taking everything out of the question, aka won't happen.
13 vs 11 (assuming mafia want to help town)

12 vs 10
11 vs 9
10 vs 8

etc etc. this assumes a jester is shot every night though. So yes some jesters will lose the game however if they follow a no lynch schedule they are guaranteed to lose no matter what because well, no lynches.

So jesteroonies, who's in?
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
I have a feeling Rantai is mafia trying to pose as a jester
Rantai
1,000 posts
Joined July 2010
Rantai
Already stated I am not a jester.

Basically how this is going to work, fellow indies is that we're going to break the trend. Instead of lynching scum, we're going to lynch town and mafia. It'll be glorious.
DeathxShinigami
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Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
I'm going to do whatever, throwing in newcomers into the mix makes it unreliable though.
Sync
osu! Alumni
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Sync
unvote vote rantai
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
You would.

Seriously though it is the best plan imo. Well unless you're town/mafia I guess.

But come on you kill joy.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
71 posts
Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Wishy-washy voting, Sync. Good job showing everyone that you're a jester.
Salvage
590 posts
Joined January 2010
Salvage
^

lol nice catch i didn't see that.




Also btw that jester thing is not gonna happen.

And the no-lynch situation is rejected by Mashley cause he's too much into the 'no lynch is the worst idea' thing that is usually applicable on most of the games, that's whats wrong with generalizing concepts, no lynch shouldn't be an option in this game if it wasn't good in any situation (it actually is on the last days sometimes but it can be used to help town in this game D1 and maybe D2)


I'd love to hear some valid arguments against it Mashley, cause i already gave several ones that says why is it good, otherwise ur oppenly playing against town the same way Rantai is.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
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Joined July 2008
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Because I can:

Vote: Salvage
Rantai
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Joined July 2010
Rantai
That's the whole point. You see the indies don't HAVE to play with the town this game.

That's a general concept that can be thrown out the window because it's the majority that has the power.

Basically they are all presented with 2 choices. Follow town and get picked off one by one as they are copped or band together and deny a town/mafia win.

Up to you guys, but I like the sound of the second one.
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