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Sound Holic - Optical Cellophane

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PandaCath
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PandaCath
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 at 12:06:05 AM

Artist: Sound Holic
Title: Optical Cellophane
Tags: Sound Holic Nitori Kawashiro Mountain Faith Touhou Optical Cellophane
BPM: 170
Filesize: 7069kb
Play Time: 02:21
Difficulties Available:
  1. Hard (4.93 stars, 292 notes)
  2. KIRBY Mix (5 stars, 434 notes)
  3. Normal (3.91 stars, 178 notes)
Download: Sound Holic - Optical Cellophane
Download: Sound Holic - Optical Cellophane (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Both modes completed, ready for modding!

Edit: Thank you to Starrodkirby86 for making a difficulty! ^^

Also, I'm sorry, but when I was first making this beatmap, I somehow made multiple copies of the song folder, and every time I try to open from each difficulty either one mode magically disappears, or turns out unsaved and blank. I'm trying to fix this, but I'm really sorry. :S Hard should be in here now, all resnapped and made changes. (Fixed! TwT)

*luls crapload of edits ftw*

Added skin! (Includes hitcircles, slider tracker, spinner, and comboburst. Please let me know if any of it is missing!)
Last edited by PandaCath , edited 58 times in total.
Metroid
834 posts
Joined May 2008
Metroid
BPM is off.
Timing is off.
Spacing is horrid.
Rename KindaEasy to Easy
Rename NotThatHard to hard

I suggest you completely remap the whole song..
I foresee a nuke coming your way.
PandaCath
89 posts
Joined April 2009
Topic Starter
PandaCath
Yay I'm gonna get nuked
Cyclone
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Joined July 2008
Cyclone
To add on metroid's post:

Hitsounds can't be heard very well.
Background picture is blurry. Find a better one.
You have an unrankable slider(?) it looks like a circle but i believe it's a slider without a trail? Either way, auto gets 100 on it.
PandaCath
89 posts
Joined April 2009
Topic Starter
PandaCath
Eee thank you two~ But no one makes large sized Nitori pictures, because no one cares about her xD I might go find the video instead.
Metroid
834 posts
Joined May 2008
Metroid
I personally think the BPM is doube what you have atm.


Easy
Still most of the combos are out of spacing, the spacing changes between areas in the song....

Normal
It's just like Easy with more beats....
PandaCath
89 posts
Joined April 2009
Topic Starter
PandaCath
I don't really understand what is wrong with the spacing. Could you give some specific examples please? :3
Metroid
834 posts
Joined May 2008
Metroid
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

Takuma
osu! Alumni
1,704 posts
Joined October 2008
Takuma
hello, no time to mod but:

Artist : Sound Holic

kudesu
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru
Normal-

Timing is fine. 2 100s and FC in one go. That said...

Go to lower right corner. Make the 'distance snap' block solid. Hold "alt", go to upper right hand corner, choose appropriate snap (.7x-.8x should work). Respace all the notes (just be in 'select' mode, click on one, drag, and it'll be spaced correctly, then just move it til it's where you want it). You should then be good to go!

Also, avoid overlaps. Like, avoid having notes that you just hit up to half a second ago overlap a note you're going to hit, *unless* it's on top of a note/slider end, or there's nothing else you can do. Something like that...

P.S. Finish Hard. I like what you have so far.
PandaCath
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Topic Starter
PandaCath
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
Hara
108 posts
Joined August 2008
Hara
Very cute song and map <3

I like what you have so far :D

[Hard] + [Normal]
Both looks fine.

Finish Hard and we will see.
Nachy
807 posts
Joined April 2009
Nachy
Normal is pretty perfect now, no need in changing or anything.
Hard, I also gotta say, it's pretty great now too, but feel free to add more if you like to make it more enjoyable and frantic.
As Nitori Kawashiro would think, this beatmap is all fixed up and good to go.

Starred.
Starrodkirby86
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Starrodkirby86
This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
Starrodkirby86
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Here since the beginning
Starrodkirby86
Here you go:
Download: Sound Holic - Optical Cellophane (PandaCath) [KIRBY Mix].osu

Save into your Song Folder and do a Full Resubmission. :D

By the way, I noticed your filesize is 20.2 MB, which I believe is a wee bit over the preferred maximum filesize. Compressing the video or optimizing the audio (Just import to Audacity and export as .mp3 without changes) would get it below. I don't know how picky it'll be since it just barely makes it.

(No need for kudosu on this post)
blissfulyoshi
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blissfulyoshi
Normal:
00:14:31 (1) - might want to make this aligned with 3 because the 180 degrees rotation does not look that nice
00:19:95 (1,2) - make this an exact 180 degrees spin of the previous combo (not exactly the same as the last one) or try a different pattern
00:43:95 (1) - spacing
00:49:60 (1) - " "
01:12:90 (4) - this would look better if it had the same general position to 3 as 2 is to 1
01:16:43 (1) - a large jump for normal.....?
01:26:66 (2) - align with the end of 1
01:34:78 (3) - put this on the line created by 2 and 4
01:36:90 (3) - spacing
01:38:31 (5) - align with 3
01:50:31 (1) - spacing
02:07:25 (1) - align with 2,3 slope

Kirby Mix:
00:13:95 (1,1) - this large jump followed by a smaller move is disorienting
00:19:60 (1,1) - " "
00:30:01 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I don't like how the distance from 2 to 4 is different than 2 to 3, applies for the whole combo
00:32:84 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - " "
01:19:95 (3,4) - not exactly the same slider as 2 and 1 respectively
01:32:31 (2,4) - might want to make this a counterclockwise turn of 1,3 respectively
01:50:31 (1,2,3,4) - make 2 and 3 look like this split the half the circle defined by the ends of 1,2,3,4 into sixths (thirds of the half circle)
02:01:95 (2,1,2) - not an exact horizontal reflection of the previous combo
02:19:25 (1,2,3) - similar spacing for 2 different differences in beat is disorienting

I feel a little weird about the change in spacing for the purposes of symmetry or style. Ex: 00:16:25 (3,4) and 02:15:72 (1,2), but I guess it is okay. There really was not much else to nazi spacing or symmetry wise.

Hard:
For some reason, the dl did not give me this diff. Can you do a full-resubmit? I will mod this diff. if you want me too.

Not much to complain about. Star.
mtmcl
mtmcl
Actually, you shouldn't request the services of a BAT until you have 8+ priority. A BAT's job is decide whether the map is ready to be ranked yet and a map CANNOT be ranked with less than 8 priority. I may sometimes do regular modding as well, but at the moment I have too many 8+ requests to look through. PM me when you have 8+ priority or I may come by, check it out, and leave my own star at a later time when I have less requests to sort through~
Starrodkirby86
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Starrodkirby86
Kirby Mix:
00:13:95 (1,1) - this large jump followed by a smaller move is disorienting
00:19:60 (1,1) - " "
No change so far. This might jack up the whole symmetry thing. <_>
00:30:01 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I don't like how the distance from 2 to 4 is different than 2 to 3, applies for the whole combo What happened here...? Fixed.
00:32:84 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - " "
What happened here...? Fixed.
01:19:95 (3,4) - not exactly the same slider as 2 and 1 respectively
It is called Reverse Selection. ;o
01:32:31 (2,4) - might want to make this a counterclockwise turn of 1,3 respectively
Did my own shindig here, dawg. Fix'd.
01:50:31 (1,2,3,4) - make 2 and 3 look like this split the half the circle defined by the ends of 1,2,3,4 into sixths (thirds of the half circle)
D:
02:01:95 (2,1,2) - not an exact horizontal reflection of the previous combo
Reverse selection made ugly stacking, which I had to fix.
02:19:25 (1,2,3) - similar spacing for 2 different differences in beat is disorienting
I didn't do that...Something happened during transfer; I know it. <_>
I feel a little weird about the change in spacing for the purposes of symmetry or style. Ex: 00:16:25 (3,4) and 02:15:72 (1,2), but I guess it is okay. There really was not much else to nazi spacing or symmetry wise.
*head whirl*

Download: Sound Holic - Optical Cellophane (PandaCath) [KIRBY Mix].osu
Hara
108 posts
Joined August 2008
Hara
Such a cute song! <3

[Hard]
00:18:372 (2) - Could I get you to move this 1 grid down and 1 grid right so the angle from (1) looks better?
01:39:019 (8) - Move this so it's perfectly under (7)'s end circle, 2 pixels up and 1 pixel right should do it.
02:18:548 (5) - Use 0.0x distance snap.

[Normal]
Some of the angles from sliders could be better and the slider curves more smooth but meh, it's very minor really.

[Kirby's Mix]
00:11:841 (2,3,4) - The spacing between these should be the same, consider moving (3) to be more in the middle in spacing point of view.
00:17:489 (2,3,4) - ^ Same.
02:01:959 (2) - Move this 1 pixel down.
02:02:312 (1) - Move this 3 pixels down.
02:02:665 (2) - Move this 1 pixel down and 1 pixel right.
02:19:253 (1) - Move 2.5 grids up.
blissfulyoshi
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blissfulyoshi
Hard:
00:19:95 (1,1) - make these 2 sliders symmetrical to the sliders from the other combo
00:24:54 (2,5,7,8) - looks better on spacing if you move all of them down on
00:27:36 (2,5,7,8) - " "
00:30:36 (2) - make this a 90º counterclockwise turn of 1
00:42:89 (2,3) - align these 2 with the end of 1
00:43:24 (4) - spacing from 3
00:43:60 (5,6) - align these with the end of 4 (this change and the previous change is just for keeping the drop between the sliders and the next note consistent. If you make a uniform drop from each slider then change would be fine. Also remember to change 00:44:30 (2) if you do that)
00:48:54 (2,3,4,5,6) - previous 3 changes
01:15:71 (1,2,3) -align with the next slider
01:31:43 (2) - move this so it is not overlapped by 1
01:43:25 (1) - looks better align with the red 1 if you move 1 notch (3) to the right
02:01:43 (2) - spacing
02:02:31 (5) - spacing
02:07:43 (6) - don't like how this is overlapped by 5
02:19:51 (2,3) - spacing
Hara
108 posts
Joined August 2008
Hara

blissfulyoshi wrote:

Hard:
00:24:54 (2,5,7,8) - looks better on spacing if you move all of them down on
00:27:36 (2,5,7,8) - " "
00:42:89 (2,3) - align these 2 with the end of 1
00:43:24 (4) - spacing from 3
00:43:60 (5,6) - align these with the end of 4 (this change and the previous change is just for keeping the drop between the sliders and the next note consistent. If you make a uniform drop from each slider then change would be fine. Also remember to change 00:44:30 (2) if you do that)
00:48:54 (2,3,4,5,6) - previous 3 changes
01:31:43 (2) - move this so it is not overlapped by 1
02:07:43 (6) - don't like how this is overlapped by 5
02:19:51 (2,3) - spacing
Undo. This has made it look worse, and in some cases created weird new spacing.

blissfulyoshi wrote:

01:43:25 (1) - looks better align with the red 1 if you move 1 notch (3) to the right - Move 2-3 pixels to the left now.
fufe
284 posts
Joined September 2008
fufe
All for [Hard]

Hara wrote:

Post subject: Re: Sound Holic - Optical Cellophane Reply with quote
blissfulyoshi wrote:
Hard:
00:24:54 (2,5,7,8) - These patterns are technically fine. If you want to be more perfect or whatever then try moving 2 down 1 grid(lvl3) and 4 6 and 7 up 1 grid.
00:27:36 (2,5,7,8) - " "
00:42:89 (2,3) - alternatively, and my preference if i was the mapper, turn off DS and GS and move the anchor points of slider 1 so that they align to 2,3
00:43:24 (4) - spacing from 3 I agree, turn off DS,GS and nudge the start point over
00:43:60 (5,6) - looks fixed
00:48:54 (2,3,4,5,6) - looks fixed
01:31:43 (2) - looks fixed
02:07:43 (6) - looks fixed
02:19:51 (2,3) - spacing'02:19:25 (1) - is still too far'
more evil nazi-
01:57:72 (7,8,9) - could be lined up.
00:12:72 (3,4,5) - ^
00:15:54 (3,4,5) - ^

Keep in mind most most nazi posts are not manditory for ranking.

heres more 'suggestions' from me;

01:51:01 (4,5,6,7,8) - This section brings up a DRASTIC difficulty curve increase. especially this 01:51:72 (10,11) - hit. If this is a [hard] i would consider some kind of tone down.
01:30:54 (1) - should this end at 01:31:078, then the sliders after it are moved back to replace the old end and a hit added after them.
01:34:78 (5,6,7) - carefull with how this gets moved up when it is autostacked. creates a false spacing inconsistency in game, technically fine as is just pointing it out.

redo breaks.

Video offset -400
[[Events]
//Background and Video events
1,-400,"aa28e2ab307f5611108875df6806343f.avi"]
Mashley
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Joined September 2008
Mashley
[Normal]
Not good...
00:45:35 - Why didn't you map anything here?
00:51:01 - ^
01:07:60 - ^

[Hard]
Fine

[KIRBY Mix]
Really good
01:17:66 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Aww
02:21:01 (6) - New combo looks nice here
[DBF]
1,827 posts
Joined January 2009
[DBF]
[Normal]
00:45:018 2 down,grid lvl 3.
00:50:665 ^
2:19:253 - 2:19:959 Generate it
[Hard]
-
[KIRBY Mix]
-

Good card, work over a hard, something there not so..
Star for you <3
Starrodkirby86
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Starrodkirby86
[KIRBY Mix]:
02:19:25 (1,2,3) - Why is the relationship from 2 to 3 like that? Is it because of some 'spacing problem'? I'm able to move (3) to my intended location WITH distance snap on. (The intended location is basically a horizontal flip of (1)). Can you fix that please...?

(No kds please)
PandaCath
89 posts
Joined April 2009
Topic Starter
PandaCath
Zzz. Fixed.
DeathxShinigami
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Joined November 2008
DeathxShinigami
Looks ok just by taking a glance at it. Here's a star for your hard effort you put into this map.
anonymous_old
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General
Background image scares me. If you can, make a different background for each difficulty.
I'm sure you're capable of making an Easy difficulty. Not sure if it's really needed though.
Fun maps, especially Hard and KIRBY Mix. =] (Yeah, Normal is above my skill level. =[)

Normal
Increase Circle Size by one.
There's lots of places where you could insert a break. Meanwhile the player's HP is draining...

01:59:48 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Spacing looks off.

Hard
00:17:84 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:20:67 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:25:60 (8) - Move up one small grid space.
00:28:43 (8) - Move up one small grid space.
01:05:83 (4,7) - New combo, maybe?
01:12:18 (4) - New combo.
01:22:07 (4) - New combo?
01:26:31 (5) - New combo.
01:28:07 (x) - Break ? Or something.
01:34:78 (5) - New combo.
01:37:60 (5) - New combo.
01:39:01 (8) - New combo?
01:39:37 (x) - Break ? Or something.
01:41:13 (2) - New combo?
01:48:90 (7) - New combo.
01:51:01 (4) - New combo?
01:51:72 (9) - New combo.
02:00:19 (4) - New combo.
02:02:84 (6,7) - New combo on one of these.
02:04:78 (x) - Break ? Or something.
02:06:54 (4) - New combo.
02:17:13 (3) - New combo.
02:18:54 (5) - New combo.

KIRBY Mix
Looks fine, except:

00:34:43 (x) - Replace break.
PandaCath
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Topic Starter
PandaCath

strager wrote:

General
Background image scares me. If you can, make a different background for each difficulty. Search for Nitori pictures, there are some even creepier and inappropriate images than the one I picked, which is relatively clean.
I'm sure you're capable of making an Easy difficulty. Not sure if it's really needed though.Unfortunately, I'm already at the borderline of rankability because of the size of this file. (19.6 mB) Besides, Easys aren't fun to make :o
Fun maps, especially Hard and KIRBY Mix. =] (Yeah, Normal is above my skill level. =[)

Normal
Increase Circle Size by one.
There's lots of places where you could insert a break. Meanwhile the player's HP is draining... added.

01:59:48 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Spacing looks off.fixed.

Hard
00:17:84 (1) - Remove new combo.did this
00:20:67 (1) - Remove new combo.did this
00:25:60 (8) - Move up one small grid space.did this
00:28:43 (8) - Move up one small grid space.did this
01:05:83 (4,7) - New combo, maybe?Looked strange, didn't do this
01:12:18 (4) - New combo.eh, I guess it doesn't hurt
01:22:07 (4) - New combo?no.
01:26:31 (5) - New combo.nope
01:28:07 (x) - Break ? Or something.break'd
01:34:78 (5) - New combo.no.
01:37:60 (5) - New combo.nope
01:39:01 (8) - New combo?nope.
01:39:37 (x) - Break ? Or something.break'd
01:41:13 (2) - New combo?no
01:48:90 (7) - New combo.no
01:51:01 (4) - New combo?no
01:51:72 (9) - New combo.no
02:00:19 (4) - New combo.no
02:02:84 (6,7) - New combo on one of these.did it on 6
02:04:78 (x) - Break ? Or something.break'd
02:06:54 (4) - New combo.no
02:17:13 (3) - New combo.no
02:18:54 (5) - New combo.no

KIRBY Mix
Looks fine, except:

00:34:43 (x) - Replace break.done
I must say, you ask me to make new combos in some strange places. But, thank you so much anyways.
Last edited by PandaCath , edited 2 times in total.
PandaCath
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Topic Starter
PandaCath

Agent Spin Here wrote:

[Normal]
Not good...
00:45:35 - Why didn't you map anything here?
00:51:01 - ^
01:07:60 - ^
Fixed by either adding something or breaking.
[Hard]
Fine

[KIRBY Mix]
Really good
01:17:66 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Aww wut
02:21:01 (6) - New combo looks nice here did it

[DBF] wrote:

[Normal]
00:45:018 2 down,grid lvl 3. did this
00:50:665 ^ did this
2:19:253 - 2:19:959 Generate it ummm...?
[Hard]
-
[KIRBY Mix]
-

Good card, work over a hard, something there not so..
Star for you <3 I think I got the general idea of what you said; thanks!
Sleep Powder
1,540 posts
Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
[Hard]
02:17:13 (3) - Align the beginning of this to the end of the slider above it

I really can't find anything lol...

I guess I'll also suggestion using less whistles...but thats just me

Starr'd
Hanyuu
2,223 posts
Joined February 2009
Hanyuu
This is a really cute song and a good map. let me star it :)
mrtn
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mrtn
use offset 11498 (so +9ms)

[normal]
00:15:54 (3,1) - spacing incorrect here
00:18:37 (2,1) - spacing
01:05:13 (1,2,3) - spacing
01:38:31 (5) - new combo
01:39:72 (1,2) - spacing
01:40:78 (3,1) - spacing
02:18:54 (2,1) - spacing
02:19:95 (4,1) - spacing

[hard]
00:31:25 (5,1,2) - spacing
00:47:48 (3,1) - spacing
01:04:42 (5,1) - spacing
01:58:07 (9,1) - spacing
02:15:72 (1,2,3,4) - spacing
02:19:25 (1,2,3,4,1) - spacing

[KIRBY mix]
00:16:95 (7,1) - spacing
00:43:78 (4,1) - spacing
00:46:60 (4,1) - ^
01:31:78 (4,1) - ^


make sure to keep the spacing consistent in all difficulties. I've pointed out most issues but check through the whole maps for consistenty.

good job. starred :)
PandaCath
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Topic Starter
PandaCath

mrtn wrote:

use offset 11498 (so +9ms)

[normal]
00:15:54 (3,1) - spacing incorrect here
00:18:37 (2,1) - spacing
01:05:13 (1,2,3) - spacing
01:38:31 (5) - new combo
01:39:72 (1,2) - spacing
01:40:78 (3,1) - spacing
02:18:54 (2,1) - spacing
02:19:95 (4,1) - spacing

[hard]
00:31:25 (5,1,2) - spacing
00:47:48 (3,1) - spacing
01:04:42 (5,1) - spacing
01:58:07 (9,1) - spacing
02:15:72 (1,2,3,4) - spacing
02:19:25 (1,2,3,4,1) - spacing

[KIRBY mix]
00:16:95 (7,1) - spacing
00:43:78 (4,1) - spacing
00:46:60 (4,1) - ^
01:31:78 (4,1) - ^


make sure to keep the spacing consistent in all difficulties. I've pointed out most issues but check through the whole maps for consistenty.

good job. starred :)
Most jumps where you say needs space fixing are obvious enough to the player that it does not come directly after. If I get more complaints about it, I'll fix it, but for now I think it's fine.
whymeman
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whymeman
Some of the errors posted would be suggestions, not directions. Edit to what you see fit.

Sidenote: Why does [Normal] have a BPM of 85 with the 11,498ms offset and [Hard] has 170 with the 11,490ms Offset? Even the [KIRBY Mix] has an offset of 11,489ms. Please fix the timing..... :|

[Normal] (Done)

00:15:55 (3,1) - After the spacing of the last two sets of combos, the way these two are spaced makes it seem a bit misleading.
00:18:55 (B) - That's a very small break.....
00:45:20 (B) - You might want to consider adding some hitnotes here, not another break thrown in.
00:50:85(B) - ^
01:24:55 (6,1) - What's up with the spacing here?
01:24:90 (1,2,3,4) - Not spaced properly.
01:36:20 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:49:26 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - ^ (Some broken link spacing here also.)
01:53:34 (B) - Unnecessary break time.
02:02:32 (6,7,8,1) - Broken link spacing.
02:06:55 (4) - ^
02:07:26 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^

Consider reducing the HP drain a bit to remove some unnecessary breaks or replace some of the breaks with more hitnotes. Its like this map is trying to go for the [Easy] level, but at the same time, its not. Also, this map is missing the Source in the map details.

[Hard] (Done)

00:19:60 (2,1) - Interesting jump....
00:47:48 (3,1) - TOO close.... :o
01:04:42 (5,1) - ^
01:07:43 (B) - Some hitnotes can replace this break..... don't waste this space.
01:13:60 (1) - Bottomed out on the grid...
01:39:23 (B) - Remove the break and add some notes here at least...
02:01:60 (3,4) - Slight difference in spacing. (Try adjusting the slider shape a bit.)
02:04:64 (B) - Why is there a break here when there could be hitnotes?
02:09:63 (B) - At least chop or delete the break to add in some hitnotes.

[KIRBY Mix] (Done)

Lots of Interesting jumps on this but I don't see anything wrong with this map so far.

Sticky Note: Using breaks in placed where beats could have been makes the map lose that "feel" to the beat. Maybe its just me, but you don't want to waste the beats. Also, the timing between the 3 difficulties don't match, which is something that HAS TO BE FIXED ASAP. I'll give the map a star, but please look into the timing issue first.
Real1
968 posts
Joined September 2008
Real1
Yo.

Small symmetry fix:

[Hard]
01:04:086 (4) - 1 level 3 grid to the right. (And the (5) coming after it too, for correct spacing)

I like this map.
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