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00:00:611 (611|2,689|1,768|0,768|3,846|2,925|1,1004|3) - I think it's too simple

00:00:611 (611|2,689|1) - low
00:00:768 (768|3,768|0) - high
00:00:846 (846|2) - high
00:00:925 (925|1,1004|3) - low

I'm sure you can build up just with a drum roll

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i dont like the three note "anchor" it would make in the third column and i think it would flow weird

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Because of the LN, it feels different for anchor. You have to try and figure out exactly what it is about.

I didn't feel that when I played

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Reopened by Buschan

i copied the pattern

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00:00:611 (611|2,689|1,768|0,768|3,846|1,925|2,1004|3) - not fit the song very well tbh especially for strength of instruments

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Reopened by Seiran-

copied seiran's pattern

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oh pls no

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looks fun lmao

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why do I object to that pattern: It's basically a really flat representation of the guitar sound in the back, so you have to have a strong beginning to make the back part harmonious. so i've taken a slightly curved pattern as an example, unlike the simple steps in the past.

but I think it's a shame that you change it to just one reason that "it doesn't fit the song" bruh

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I'll just put down any pattern you two think is best for that, so should I change it back?

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its your choice what you follow

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00:01:082 (1082|0,1161|1,1239|2,1318|0,1396|1,1475|3,1553|2,1632|1,1710|0,1789|2,1867|3,1946|0,2024|1,2103|3,2182|2,2260|1,2339|0,2417|2,2496|3,2574|0,2653|1,2731|3,2810|0,2888|1,2967|2,3045|3,3124|1,3202|2,3281|0,3360|1,3438|3,3517|2) -

I've seen the discussion about SR but it's a different issue than that.

Personally, I think the pattern that doesn't really match the song, and it's so repetitive that I have no choice but to use the same for irregular sounds.

It's also composed to fit very well with the drums, not to use a different snap from the drums.

So I prefer an honest, more diverse structure, not a pattern with these release elements added

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i map their for how the guitar sounds with how it "connects" with each past guitar sound with such a flow like sound. the extended lns mimic this flow where it visually looks flowy. they arnt much harder to play then if they were 1/4 but the look and the feel makes it much more impactful when playing and watching.

the sr is not my problem because the sr system is poopoo, nerf the sr of this ppy plz

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i will close when you reply and if we agree. if we dont ill try to compromise

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alright ok, its ur concepts

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00:02:182 - 00:03:438 - double?

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00:03:595 - ~ 00:07:365 -

It's such a random stream structure. Following the electronic guitar is best for the priority you hear now.

Here's how to follow:

  1. Expressing using a change of direction

  2. To express by giving additional force to a double or finger

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00:05:637 (5637|1,5637|0,5794|1,5794|0) - vs 00:05:716 (5716|3,5716|2,5873|3,5873|2) - difference in the intensity of sound and power is also important

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00:06:108 - ~ 00:06:894 - It's my personal opinion, but I'd like to think about ways to reduce jumptrill a little bit

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i changed the stream directions to match the pitch better

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i changed 00:05:637 so to match the correct intensity

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i dont think i need to reduce the trill since it is a long snare roll and snares are all doubles through the map

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00:08:621 - triple is essential for the next part. If you can't use a triple, you should highlight the cymbals using at least 1|4 structure, but 00:07:365 (7365|3,7365|2,7365|0) - it's a good idea to put it strongly considering those parts.

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i remapped it in a similar way to the screen shown

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00:08:778 (8778|1,8935|2,9093|0,9250|3,9407|2,9564|1,9721|0) - Wouldn't these riffs be weird if the LN was connected?

00:08:883 - 00:09:040 - the break is usually constant, and they can also throw a question mark when playing

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i think it it fine as it is because of the intensity of the section right before it is much intense compared to this chill guitar interlude.

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I hope this offer is accepted because I felt strange when I played

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Reopened by Buschan

should i lower them by 1/4 to fix it?

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should be 1/6? (subjective)

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made them all 1/6

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00:16:161 - 00:19:930 i would double check this whole little section, as to me you're missing a lot of sounds in the background and me personally id chart those also

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tbh i dont hear anything there, might be because of headphones

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closing

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should be a note here 00:18:517

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00:19:616 Could use another note to also emphasize the cymbal

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00:20:558 (20558|0,20558|2,20558|1,20716|3,20794|0) - there is a possibility to rearrange this as this felt off while playing.

maybe try smt that will flow better with the song, like this

this will flow much better into the chorus.

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i wont copy because i have it in such a way where the higher pitch is on the right and the lower pitch is on the left

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00:20:558 -

What about these patterns?

Personally, in that part 00:21:030 (21030|2,21108|1,21187|2,21187|3,21187|0) - a stronger drum appears in front of this earlier part, but it seemed like a triple and a single lacked expression

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made it a quad at 00:20:558 because it is very intense but didn't make the other two notes doubles because they are very quiet

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me personally id place a double on the little guitar sound thingimajigs at the drop at 00:21:187 and 04:58:568 or have an ln for the (i think its a guitar, idk) since imo they're too distinct to just leave out

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i added triples for the first one but not the second, it think might a bit crowded with a ln in that section

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00:22:129 (22129|1,22286|3) - It sounds like supposed to be an anchor

In addition to this part, there is an expressive efficacy that emerges from the emphasis on anchors, and this is an essential part of low-density streams.

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added a note

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00:23:307 (23307|3,23386|2,23543|3,23621|2,23778|3,23857|2,24014|3,24093|2) - this visual appearance and excessive overlapping stream structure break the song flow

there will be countless times in this part, and it needs to be fixed

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changed the pattern around

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00:30:925 (30925|2) - should be a double instead of just a singular note

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00:35:794 - 00:36:030 i would make this a jumptrill to be consistent with 00:29:983

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00:42:391 (42391|0) - recommend column 3

00:41:291 (41291|2,41449|0,41606|1,41763|3) - Since it has gone up to the right, it is recommended that you follow the pitch concept 00:42:390 - 00:43:019 - down to column 1 here

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00:52:206 Your LN usage prevents you from placing a note for the drum kick, i don't know if you want to consider adding one since it's gonna create a minijack no matter what but I'll leave it up to you. Also it may be me but 00:52:128 (52128|0) - might be too late

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removed the lns and made it rice

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00:52:599 -

How about these patterns?

I think it represents a low quality to express this drum only with jumptrills, and 00:52:599 - 00:52:913 - I made a pattern like an example because there is a lot of emphasis on this kick.

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00:56:369 (56369|2,56369|3,56526|1,56526|0,56683|2,56683|3,56840|0,56840|1) - 00:58:253 (58253|3,58253|2,58411|0,58411|1,58568|2,58568|3,58725|0,58725|1) - It is recommended not to use this pattern.

In the end, the point you press is 1|2 ' 3|4 and it overlaps the same finger as the point where you take off the LN and the next LN point, so it's bound to feel weird when you play it. Also, LN becomes useless in a way

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changed the pattern it is better

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00:59:824 (59824|0) - I think this LN should have stopped at 00:59:981 instead and use another 1/2 LN as there both a hi hat sound and a piano press that could be complimented

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remapped

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01:01:395 (61395|0,61395|2) - This is synced to the same sound as this 01:01:552 (61552|3,61552|2,61552|1) - You cooould keep it a double but also make 01:01:552 a double to give more power to the cymbals at 01:01:709

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made it a triple

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01:02:102 (62102|3) - -> 01:02:023 -

It's inflexible to express vocals, and the melody is even weirder to express it offbeat.

So it looks better to move it over there

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moved as you said

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01:04:850 ~ 01:05:479 There are still piano presses across this segment which could use some long notes to reciprocate better feedback

also small sidenote for the piano, I think you might have missed some, unless you meant to emphasize the more conspicuous ones

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i dont hear the piano, might just be because of headphones

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Left open to hear second opinions

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I can hear it but it blends in so well you dont really tell, maybe consider adding but honestly its also fine as it is now.

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added lns for the sounds

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01:12:547 - I don't think this sound can be ignored.

01:12:704 - If you hear an open high hat strongly here, you'll hear a warning in advance.

Maybe that's where 01:12:547 - is. That's where you have to express it

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seems fine to place 4

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01:23:227 - also too

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added notes and changed the pattern as you said

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01:24:641 (84641|0) - 01:25:583 (85583|3) - Why do you have to express it so regularly?

I think it's better to go 1/2 straight

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yeah i made them 1/2 now

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01:42:547 (102547|0) - 01:43:804 (103804|2,103804|1,103804|0) - 01:47:573 (107573|3,107573|0) -

I can't let this gap between a symbol and a mere speculative difference. I think it's better to unify them all in double in this part

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made into doubles

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01:50:086 - 01:51:029

while i understand jump trills are here for drums expression etc.

a subjective idea but I personally think they last a bit too long and it makes the section feel uncomfortable and waste any idea of other patterns.

So, how about trying to switch it up after the single note?

like this maybe (unless you wanna give better pattern on smt)

https://imgur.com/hzU7rgO

pattern explanation;

It will start with stream to feel more sentimental then the mini jacks followed up gives necessary strain for the next part of the kiai.

subjective mod!!!!!

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i feel like the 1/4 mini jacks would come out of no where and surprise the player and make them miss since there is nothing like it in the full chart

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02:02:652 - 02:03:123 - 02:03:594 - 02:08:621 - Looks like it need double

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02:07:678 - why is this place not expressed?

It's an essential part for the beat.

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added the doubles

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added the notes for the missing beat

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02:15:139 (135139|3,135139|2) - Is the double supposed to be intentional? It feels a little too strong and for other instances like 02:14:746 (134746|3,134825|1,134903|3,134903|2) - 02:15:375 (135375|1,135453|2,135532|3,135532|1) - You used these kind of bursts. My biggest problem with the double is that it forces the jack, which is quite annoying to have and unreasonable since the map has 0 jacks

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it was because i thought there was two snares there but i hear there isnt now, thanks

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02:30:139 Maybe add a note here? it can fill out the monotonous gap since there is a light drum kick

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02:54:170 (174170|3) - how about move to column 2?

Personally, there are so many arrangements that are focused on one hand, so I think it's better to give a different feeling

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ok, i move to #2

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03:00:139 (180139|0,180453|1,180767|2,181081|1,181395|0) - for these notes that seem to represent the drum, they seem too passive and dont represent the buildup quite well in my opinion.

how about instead of LN's a more climatic buildup being with double tap notes instead?

this can allow the 1st col on 03:01:395 - to be more open which can allow emphasis on the drums at final stages like

03:01:867 - 03:02:024 - 03:02:181 - 03:02:338 - 03:02:495 - 03:02:652 --> this can allow more expression in your buildup.

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i dont see the need to change it

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03:44:353 (224353|1) - It is predicted to be ghost note.

03:44:274 (224274|0) - this is the guitar sounds only place can hear

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fixed, yeah it was a ghost note

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03:54:955 (234955|2,235034|0) - I feel like these long notes should not be long notes, but rather rice notes, as they lessen the impact of the jumptrill and strong drums here, and unintentionally give it a flowy feel from holding the long notes.

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changed the full section

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04:33:908 (273908|3,273908|2,273987|1,274065|0,274144|3,274222|2,274222|1,274301|0,274379|3,274458|2,274537|1,274537|0,274615|3,274694|2,274772|1,274851|3,274851|0,274929|2,275008|1,275086|3,275165|1,275165|0) - Nitpick but rolling my fingers for over a second on a certain direction and especially on the main drop makes it a little anticlimatic, you could switch up the patterns and make the switch directions for more variety

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this is a good fine, thanks for pointing this out

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04:57:940 (297940|0,298018|1,298097|2,298175|0) - Also nitpicky with this but it'd be really nice for emphasis purposes to make these 4 lns as 1/4 and keep the other LNs longer for the pipe piano that slowly obtains a stronger pitch (?)

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i like that and made them 1/4

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changed it up, thanks

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05:17:573 (317573|1,317730|1,317887|1,318044|1,318201|1,318358|1,318516|1,318673|1) - Really big anchor, try breaking it a little. A small suggestion would be to move 05:17:887 (317887|1) - to the 3rd column

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moved the 3

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05:18:044 to 05:18:673 - I think these long notes should be reduced to 1/3 snappings, as the 1/8th release timing in the current state of the map is pointlessly uncomfortable and breaks map flow, and is better represented and played with a shorter timing

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i lowered them by 1/12

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05:19:772 (319772|0,319851|1) and 05:21:029 (321029|3,321107|2) - Rather similarly to #4254702, I think these long notes should be reduced to 1/4 snappings to create a better contrast to the hand ahead, which would give it a more impactful feel. It would also make the release timing on the one hand trills a bit kinder to the player

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changed to 1/4s

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05:29:510 (329510|0,329667|2,329824|1) - Is there a reason why it's expressed as LN?

Personally, it doesn't look good on me

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your right, ill make them rice

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