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D(ABE3) - MANIERA [OsuMania]

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Spectator
congrats!
nebbii
i'm placing my bet on dq within one day 8-)
Rockageek
Congratz for rank
More hard maps like this should be ranked (like CRN maps on std for example)
top players are so skilled that they awaits those maps to be ranked to do amazing scores on them.
Constantine
congrats :D
Cryolien
mind has been blown
so has fingers
congrats ijinjin
danaprayoga
inb4 disqualify and then jhlee got mad because pp lost ;w;
stryver12

danaprayoga wrote:

inb4 disqualify and then jhlee got mad because pp lost ;w;
Gratz anyway Jinjin :)
Close thread for now? (gratz spam...)

Takane6 wrote:

My psi-missing counted as overchorded... (diff Lost>>deleted now)
And now this one appear...
*sigh
6 days to go, ene. 6 days to go...
sovy
Man and I thought CtB was broking as hell. What the fuck lol
roufou
can someone give a source saying that the artist is "Musical Masterpiece"?

I've never seen anyone label the artist as that, every BMS I've seen has the artist "D"

edit: yeah the artist should be "D", the BOF page says "D" is the artist
JBHyperion

Sovyat wrote:

Man and I thought CtB was broking as hell. What the fuck lol
Right now, CLSW is probably making a 9* CtB diff so it's all good ;)
Akasha-
over 1000pp confirmed

Congratulation xDD
stryver12

agu wrote:

can someone give a source saying that the artist is "Musical Masterpiece"?

I've never seen anyone label the artist as that, every BMS I've seen has the artist "D"

edit: yeah the artist should be "D", the BOF page says "D" is the artist
Musical Masterpiece is for M-A.
It's the same composer who composed this. (ABE YUTA)
But... yeah.... it should be D
OzzyOzrock
D as in DQ :^)
Yuii-
The gap is pretty big, at least that's what I think (?

Ok, nah, just kidding hahha

Congratulations <3
Fullerene-
maniera fuc
Raediaufar
gratz jinjin, this map is truly pp masterpiece musical masterpiece :')
lemonguy
Congrats jin, you exposed how truly broken the mania pp system really is <3 hopefully pp is reworked soon
Bara-
1200+ pp
What the heck
Good job!
troke
shit goodmap
Frim4503
maybe this will get DQ or nerf
cuz many mania player get 10000 PP easy

see this https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp/?m=3
Kamikaze

Frim4503 wrote:

maybe this will get DQ or nerf
cuz many mania player get 10000 PP easy

see this https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp/?m=3
how is this a DQ'able thing, are you serious right now
Tinosaurus
Because im a 4k player this makes me wanna cry blood
CharlisMadCut

Frim4503 wrote:

maybe this will get DQ or nerf
cuz many mania player get 10000 PP easy

see this https://osu.ppy.sh/p/pp/?m=3
What does it have to do with the map itself ?
You cannot DQ a map only because the pp/star rating system are broken
Frim4503

Frim4503 wrote:

maybe this will get DQ or NERF
READ ALL MY POST
DONT STOP READING UNTIL DQ
puxtu
ha
typical spy fanboyz
CharlisMadCut
still, if you need to nerf, it means the system is somehow broken
stryver12
this is getting out of hand
needs thread closure pronto
dionzz99
they just shocked with those 8 star map qualified..

calm down, okay?
Satoshi Kazuki
ahhh if i pro in 7K...PP rain T.T
Kamikaze

ItsAnanaas wrote:

Because im a 4k player this makes me wanna cry blood
you get what you deserve
stryver12

the master has spoken

Note: based on BMS metadata, artist name is D
DQ guaranteed (proof on BMS readme file)
Tristan97

-Kamikaze- wrote:

ItsAnanaas wrote:

Because im a 4k player this makes me wanna cry blood
you get what you deserve
Hahaha He's right you know SHOTS FIRED
iefhanz
*cry for 4k user
CharlisMadCut
c'mon they can just play aiae HT if they only want PPs haha
iiyo
>ooo eee 10k pp everywehre
>ooo eee i can get 1k pp instnatly!


no, you can't get 1k pp from this song easily you have to be a top player if u expect people to farm this, you are mistaken, only good players can play this.
Charles445
Extra information so things get a little bit cleared up

Maniera is part of BOF 2011, and is one of the submissions of team DWMω.
The team member aliases here are D, W, and M. D being the one for MANIERA.

It appears to be all from the same person, actually, ABE YUTA. Goes by ABE3, DWMω, 碧, and, you guessed it, Musical Masterpiece.

What's even more fun is that the artist field doesn't seem to matter in these submissions to BOF.
Here's 2010. http://puu.sh/j9gV3/633aa54764.png Fun numbers in brackets in the artist field!
Here's 2013, look at all these artist names! http://puu.sh/j9gYk/bb2734c902.png

Since the artist field seems to be set as gimmicks in these contexts, it becomes hard to say what the... proper artist is in these situations.
For example, ABE YUTA would work since the artist is screwing around with artist names, or perhaps it is DWMω because that is what the team name was for Maniera, as well as being spelled by the Maniera artist fields.


So that opens up a whole can of worms for argument over what's proper.
Bottom line, however... -> https://twitter.com/abe_yuta/status/623614753554870272
It's up to the person who made it.
Nyquill
Crono

danaprayoga wrote:

inb4 disqualify and then jhlee got mad because pp lost ;w;
Why jhlee get mad? he could easily get his 1234pp play again. Not even overestimating him he is just that good
danaprayoga

Crono wrote:

danaprayoga wrote:

inb4 disqualify and then jhlee got mad because pp lost ;w;
Why jhlee get mad? he could easily get his 1234pp play again. Not even overestimating him he is just that good
you know, this map is not easy for him. getting high score on hardest diff or even SS'd collab is not easy for him.
if you think this map is easy for him, then why he still tried to get SS on his "most played beatmaps"? :|
LordRaika
Damn im late jin... Still have some desktop issue XD

Anyway gratz... ^^b nice map jin
Meanwhile QAT is trying so hard to find an issue or try to made up a reason to Dq... Lmao
Kruzon

zSkill wrote:

>ooo eee 10k pp everywehre
>ooo eee i can get 1k pp instnatly!


no, you can't get 1k pp from this song easily you have to be a top player if u expect people to farm this, you are mistaken, only good players can play this.
I agree! What this map need is not nerf, it should stay masterpiece the way it is. But, the pp system might need some rework (though i guess that's impossible ehh lol). Tbh tho they deserved the 10k pp imo
Rilene


Wild 10k pp appeared.

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Congrats iJinJin
Kamikaze

Nyquill wrote:

Glorious
Bara-

Sirade wrote:



Wild 10k pp appeared.

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Congrats iJinJin
Poor Tasha (Osu!Weekly will be filled)
Topic Starter
Jinjin
Abe yuta recently tweeted that Musical Masterpiece shouldn't be used as the artist name because Musical Masterpiece refers to a collaboration of Abe and friends. The correct artist name that should be used is indeed D. Once this mapset becomes dq'd, I will fix the metadata asap and hopefully MANIERA will be back in no time ^^
Rivals_7

iJinjin wrote:

Abe yuta recently tweeted that Musical Masterpiece shouldn't be used as the artist name because Musical Masterpiece refers to a collaboration of Abe and friends. The correct artist name that should be used is indeed D. Once this mapset becomes dq'd, I will fix the metadata asap and hopefully MANIERA will be back in no time ^^
Poor jhlee......
Fullerene-

Fullerene- wrote:

More like incoming DQ and mania PP rework
So what do I win
Harbyter

iJinjin wrote:

Abe yuta recently tweeted that Musical Masterpiece shouldn't be used as the artist name because Musical Masterpiece refers to a collaboration of Abe and friends. The correct artist name that should be used is indeed D. Once this mapset becomes dq'd, I will fix the metadata asap and hopefully MANIERA will be back in no time ^^
Nanatsu
우선, Musical Masterpiece는 다른 작곡가 친구분과 함께 만든 '팀' 단위라고 합니다.

그런데 마니에라 같은 경우엔 아베 유타님 혼자 만드신 곡이라고 하십니다.

트위터에도 언급되었듯이 작곡가님이 원하시는 마니에라의 아티스트 명은 D(ABE3) 입니다.

또한 후에 작곡가님의 곡을 사용해서 랭크할 경우, 작곡가님의 동의 및 허가를 받은 뒤에 사용하도록 요청 하셨습니다.

위의 내용은 작곡가님의 공식적인 블로그에 서술되어 있는 부분들 입니다. ( http://abeyuta.syoyu.net/ )

동의 및 허가 절차는 위의 홈페이지 포스팅에 나와 있으며, 작곡가님은 모든 매퍼분들이 이 과정을 무조건 거치기를 기대 하십니다.

그리고 해당되는 곡들의 랭크맵에는 아티스트님의 정보가 서술되어 있는 http://www.muzie.ne.jp/artist/a044483/

이 홈페이지를 꼭 링크하도록 부탁하셨습니다.


일단 마니에라 같은 경우엔 동의 및 허가 절차를 거칠 필요는 없어 보이고,

위의 두 가지를 시행해주시면 메타데이터 문제는 해결 될 것으로 보입니다.


영어가 서툴기 때문에 정확성을 위해 한국어로 적었습니다. 후의 매퍼들을 위해 누군가 영어로 적어준다면 좋겠군요 :(





p.s. you can ask some japanese modderators for tweet and offical contents what he written if you want to make sure metadata problem 100%.
Charles445
So if I'm not mistaken, artist would be "D(ABE3)" with those two links in the description to their works?
Or just D with ABE3 in tags? Little bit confusing, haha
Nanatsu

Charles445 wrote:

So if I'm not mistaken, artist would be "D(ABE3)" with those two links in the description to their works?
Or just D with ABE3 in tags? Little bit confusing, haha
Artist name should be 'D(ABE3)' as he(composer) wishes. we should respect his opinion, right?




and for future, he wants to let all mappers must get agreement from him which they can use his song when they try to make ranked map.

we can get agreement from his blog. there has written some ways to get agreement.

also, all maps which has used his songs must have link that is written his info in readme. http://www.muzie.ne.jp/artist/a044483/


i hope someone can translate what i written in korean. and ask me something else if you can't get some.
roufou
I personally think the artist should be "D" seeing as that is the artist name he used in the BMS for the song when he submitted it, which basically makes me see that as the official artist of the song.

However if he wishes the artist name to be "D(ABE3)" or whatever I guess that is fine, albeit kinda weird to me.

I'm not a master of song policies but I think a song doesn't actually have an official artist unless copyrighted, if it isn't copyrighted however I believe osu! as a rhythm game should label the artist as whatever name the artist submitted the song as...if there is no confirmed artist in the source you'd probably have to ask the artist if possible or stick to "Unknown Artist".

Just posting my personal opinion here, by my logic the artist should be "D" but I do not think we should disregard the artists wish for this.
Topic Starter
Jinjin


I personally contacted Abe Yuta and he gave me permission to use MANIERA as long as I fix the artist name (to D) and mention the link that suwako has provided

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

http://www.muzie.ne.jp/artist/a044483/
Nanatsu
http://abeyuta.syoyu.net/

i 'personally' think you can post above homepage which is his blog to let people read his song use condition (?)
Topic Starter
Jinjin

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

http://abeyuta.syoyu.net/

i 'personally' think you can post above homepage which is his blog to let people read his song use condition (?)
Yeah I guess I can do that too. Thanks for your help suwako <3
Nanatsu

iJinjin wrote:

_S u w a k o_ wrote:

http://abeyuta.syoyu.net/

i 'personally' think you can post above homepage which is his blog to let people read his song use condition (?)
Yeah I guess I can do that too. Thanks for your help suwako <3

Good Luck <3

But be aware that this map will be dq-ed soon since composer requested to change the artist name as soon as possible.
stryver12
At least the composer doesn't take down the map...
Something I see for the first time...

#respect

Good Luck jinjin :)
Kyousuke-
gl for rerank~

rip pp record lol
Arzenvald
how many days until 6th day? :U
Nomination Assessment Team

Disqualification Notice



Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.

General

Metadata

  • Currently the Artist field of the metadata is incorrect. It should be "D(ABE3)" instead of "Musical Masterpiece", as confirmed by the song's Artist themselves.
    As a result it is recommended to add "abe yuta DWMω" into the tags as well.
Awkward Gameplay Elements

  • A few sections in the Hyper difficulty should be changed to make it play less awkward and more friendly for newer players. For example,
  1. 00:40:181 - This section with the double chords can be very tricky for newer players. We recommend reducing the chord structure (from 2-2-2-2-2 to 2-1-2-1-2, for example), or making the patterns more easier to play (symmetrical, for example).
  2. 01:10:757 - This section becomes really difficult as it combines LNs on one hand with jacks on another, making things like 01:12:343 (72343|5,72488|4,72488|1,72632|1,72632|3,72776|2,72776|0) - really awkward to play depending on the playstyle considering this is for newer players.
  • In the Masterpiece difficulty:
  1. 00:06:720 - to 00:11:335 -, 01:41:621 - to 01:46:237 - These additional notes layered into this section are very awkward to press whilst also keeping track of the continuous jacks at the same time. We suggest you to limit the layering in this section - keep the double note chord jacks for the piano (and the LNs for the bass), whilst ignoring all other instruments for example, to make everything less awkward and provide better and clearer emphasis on the jacks in these parts. (Also allows for a better spread, since Another only layers the piano and is fairly easy to hit in these parts)

If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.

The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###B
yzyz-
T_T rip
dionzz99
#RIP1Kpp2015
Blocko

ExUsagi wrote:

how many days until 6th day? :U
It was only 2 days lmao
Jin, call me back when everything's ready. Let's give this another shot!
Yuzeyun
The tweet in question for the Artist is here: https://twitter.com/abe_yuta/status/624172688936796161 - The link provided does not give a valid proof lol




00:06:720 - 01:41:621 -
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wat

RIP all the twenty new 10KPP players
NlHIL

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

really awkward to play depending on the playstyle considering this is for newer players.
This mapset is for elder players.
dionzz99

NlHIL wrote:

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

really awkward to play depending on the playstyle considering this is for newer players.
This mapset is for elder players.
but.. its ranked so it was for everyone whether senior or beginner player..

EDIT : "considering this is for newer players" nevermind then
Harbyter
when you're ready call me again jiiinnnnn


EDIT>> also someone move this thread in the WIP section?
Online_old_1

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

Disqualification Notice



Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.

General

Metadata

  • Currently the Artist field of the metadata is incorrect. It should be "D(ABE3)" instead of "Musical Masterpiece", as confirmed by the song's Artist themselves.
    As a result it is recommended to add "abe yuta DWMω" into the tags as well.
Awkward Gameplay Elements

  • A few sections in the Hyper difficulty should be changed to make it play less awkward and more friendly for newer players. For example,
  1. 00:40:181 - This section with the double chords can be very tricky for newer players. We recommend reducing the chord structure (from 2-2-2-2-2 to 2-1-2-1-2, for example), or making the patterns more easier to play (symmetrical, for example).
  2. 01:10:757 - This section becomes really difficult as it combines LNs on one hand with jacks on another, making things like 01:12:343 (72343|5,72488|4,72488|1,72632|1,72632|3,72776|2,72776|0) - really awkward to play depending on the playstyle considering this is for newer players.
  • In the Masterpiece difficulty:
  1. 00:06:720 - to 00:11:335 -, 01:41:621 - to 01:46:237 - These additional notes layered into this section are very awkward to press whilst also keeping track of the continuous jacks at the same time. We suggest you to limit the layering in this section - keep the double note chord jacks for the piano (and the LNs for the bass), whilst ignoring all other instruments for example, to make everything less awkward and provide better and clearer emphasis on the jacks in these parts. (Also allows for a better spread, since Another only layers the piano and is fairly easy to hit in these parts)

If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.

The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###B
"A few sections in the Hyper difficulty should be changed to make it play less awkward and more friendly for newer players. For example,"
Just contest the DQ, it's really unjustified.
"Newer players", every top50 player should be able to get a good score on the chart. This isn't a mapset for noobs but for good players who can play BMS overjoys
Kamikaze
gezo you forgot the colon which is critical there kek
also why should only top50 players be able to play hyper efficiently, it's a diff for mid-tier players lmao
Kiyohime

NlHIL wrote:

This mapset is for elder players.
That's why it has a Normal difficulty at 1.95* and a Hyper difficulty at 3.10*. For the elder players. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Also, the metadata was wrong anyway; can't contest a DQ for a metadata problem, especially one where the artist explicitly said themselves it was wrong.

If these people who got their 1000+ pp plays on Masterpiece diff. truly deserved it, then they can do get them again when/if it gets requalified/ranked.
Topic Starter
Jinjin

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

Disqualification Notice



Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.

General

Metadata

  • Currently the Artist field of the metadata is incorrect. It should be "D(ABE3)" instead of "Musical Masterpiece", as confirmed by the song's Artist themselves.
    As a result it is recommended to add "abe yuta DWMω" into the tags as well.
Awkward Gameplay Elements

  • A few sections in the Hyper difficulty should be changed to make it play less awkward and more friendly for newer players. For example,
  1. 00:40:181 - This section with the double chords can be very tricky for newer players. We recommend reducing the chord structure (from 2-2-2-2-2 to 2-1-2-1-2, for example), or making the patterns more easier to play (symmetrical, for example).
    Agreed, I changed the patterns to be mirrored / symmetrical to be easier to hit
  2. 01:10:757 - This section becomes really difficult as it combines LNs on one hand with jacks on another, making things like 01:12:343 (72343|5,72488|4,72488|1,72632|1,72632|3,72776|2,72776|0) - really awkward to play depending on the playstyle considering this is for newer players.
    Agreed, changed the overall pattern to be easier + eliminated the ln use here
  • In the Masterpiece difficulty:
  1. 00:06:720 - to 00:11:335 -, 01:41:621 - to 01:46:237 - These additional notes layered into this section are very awkward to press whilst also keeping track of the continuous jacks at the same time. We suggest you to limit the layering in this section - keep the double note chord jacks for the piano (and the LNs for the bass), whilst ignoring all other instruments for example, to make everything less awkward and provide better and clearer emphasis on the jacks in these parts. (Also allows for a better spread, since Another only layers the piano and is fairly easy to hit in these parts)
    I honestly do not think that I have to limit the layering here to only piano. By making the jacks and the ln independent by putting them on separate hands, it makes it very possible to hit the percussion notes (and also provides clear visualization on which note represents which instrument. In addition, the Collab Another diff does layer in a bit of the drums (but not everything).

If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.

The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###B
Thanks for the additional modding, updated
Harbyter
Ok here we go
lemonguy
lol that was quick guys
Topic Starter
Jinjin

Harbyter wrote:

Ok here we go
Thanks harby ^^
Now waiting for expew & blocko
puxtu
come on blocko, re-hype the train \:D/
dionzz99
OOT..

i think the final equation should be i(ijn)²
idk but i³=-i seems ok..
Enon
1000pp is back?
Charles445
Normal:
01:58:442 (118442|0,118442|2) - ?
Seems like the other diffs place it differently.
ovnz
people are taking this game way too seriously
Topic Starter
Jinjin

Charles445 wrote:

Normal:
01:58:442 (118442|0,118442|2) - ?
Seems like the other diffs place it differently.
Woops, lemme check on that later when I do the irc mod with expew
Thanks Charles ^^
Kuki

Ovnize wrote:

people are taking this game way too seriously
lmao
stryver12

Kuki wrote:

Ovnize wrote:

people are taking this game way too seriously
lmao
AncuL

_Gezo_ wrote:

RIP all the twenty new 10KPP players
the peepees are still saved
Fullerene-
Here's a higher quality MP3 if you want: http://puu.sh/jayy4.mp3
Nanatsu
this is one of impressive map which has contained extremely insane + pretty fun pattern at the same time!

good luck ijinjin, after re-qualify, this map will be got ranked state directly!
O2MasterFX
Jhlee will be mad...
Topic Starter
Jinjin

Fullerene- wrote:

Here's a higher quality MP3 if you want: http://puu.sh/jayy4.mp3
I've considered for a while whether to use the remastered mp3, but I think I will keep the current bms version. There are a lot of differences between the current mp3 file and the remastered file that it's not really possible to say that this is just a "better quality". The music itself has a bit of a different feel, and some of the parts of the remastered version doesn't seem to be very coherent with the way I mapped parts. In addition, the elongated petals in the piano seems to drown some of the parts of music, as well as the accented emphasis created at some parts of the music. Finally, I've noticed that some of the snaps are different since it is not limited to the snaps of bmse. Therefore, I cannot be too sure about most of the snaps. But thanks ^^
Spectator
Good luck with the re-qualification :3 the shit typo is real
Topic Starter
Jinjin

Spectator wrote:

Good luck with the re-qualificationation :3
Thanks :3
Akiyama Mizuki

Spectator wrote:

re-qualificationation
technonationalism
Aruel
꼭 다시 리퀄하시길!! :D
rizal12378
add some 4K diff pls... :v
Rivals_7

rizal12378 wrote:

add some 4K diff pls... :v
Lol nope xD

This kind of songs may cannot fit to be played with 4k :v
Kamikaze

rizal12378 wrote:

add some 4K diff pls... :v
please go away
Harbyter

-Kamikaze- wrote:

rizal12378 wrote:

add some 4K diff pls... :v
please go away

xD
stryver12
8.04......
Topic Starter
Jinjin
mania sr goes by the forum star rating. While it is 8.04 in game, it's actually 7.95* (rip 8*)
Nekonyan

-Kamikaze- wrote:

rizal12378 wrote:

add some 4K diff pls... :v
please go away
I laughed so hard on kami's response lol
Blocko
LET'S GO AGAIN

Re-Qualified!

Re-Congratulations, iJinjin and Tristan97!


INCOMING HT PLAYS, AGAIN
Fullerene-
maniera fuc [kooky]
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