1. Emotional Drift - 4Key (5.31 stars, 1998 notes)
2. Fontes' Insane - 4Key (4.28 stars, 1478 notes)
3. Hard - 4Key (3.51 stars, 1211 notes)
4. Lastopia's Advanced - 4Key (2.38 stars, 749 notes)
5. Normal - 4Key (1.52 stars, 411 notes)

Dellvangel wrote:

IRC with Fontes

11:20 Dellvangel: 00:12:960 - wow 1/16 snap SV ;w;
11:20 Dellvangel: 00:12:990 - i mean
11:21 Fontes: yeah
11:21 Fontes: i learned that effect from chicken
11:22 Fontes: although this is 125bpm, but most patterns are jacks and hammer
11:23 Fontes: so ahhhh.. don push to play test hard :s
11:23 Dellvangel: 00:13:080 - probably add a SV here to neutralize the 0.7x
11:23 Dellvangel: maybe 1.3x?
11:24 Fontes: ok il try it
11:24 Dellvangel: 00:13:800 - same here
11:24 Dellvangel: 00:14:520 - ... etc i believe u alreadt get what i mean
11:24 Dellvangel: *already
11:24 Fontes: sure
11:25 Fontes: hmmm
11:25 Dellvangel: 00:15:240 - 1.3x then 00:15:360 - 1.00x maybe?
11:26 Dellvangel: actually there is a kick sound here, but its fine if you dont map it to emphasize the back sound
11:26 Fontes: yeah
11:27 Fontes: most sv data and notes choose which mean like, blank i skipped is what I intended
11:28 Fontes: but i understand what u mean
11:28 Fontes: i think need to more adjust sv data
11:28 Dellvangel: 00:32:160 - 0.01x isnt available yet, it will auomatically change to 0.1x when u play it
11:29 Dellvangel: try to change it to 0.1x and you will see it is exactly the same with 0.01x
11:29 Fontes: yeah ur right
11:29 Fontes: this sv is that i recommanded from my other friend
11:29 Fontes: maybe he used sv tool
11:29 Fontes: il fix it
11:30 Dellvangel: then you will need to recalculate the sv from 00:33:120 - since it should be started from 0.13x or something around that since the previous SV is 0.1x
11:30 Fontes: ah.. i mean i was recommanded that sv data
11:30 Dellvangel: oh i see xd
11:31 Fontes: ok
11:31 Fontes: ur right
11:32 Fontes: actually i don know well about sv, this is my frist tried
11:32 Fontes: most data is that i refered from other ranked maps
11:32 Fontes: i wanted use soft effect and tough hard both
11:32 Dellvangel: 00:34:440 - this should be 1.75x since the previous SV is 0.75x, (3/4 beat x 0.75 + 1/4 beat x 1.75)/4 = 1
11:33 Fontes: to each part of sound
11:33 Dellvangel: ah, i mean (3/4 beat x 0.75 + 1/4 beat x 1.75) = 1
11:33 Dellvangel: lol
11:34 Fontes: is there SV rules of calculation?
11:35 Fontes: if I want to save if I have a textbook
11:35 Dellvangel: hmm, i just calculate it to has average speed = 1 might looks easier for sightread
11:36 Dellvangel: 00:34:080 - until 00:34:560 - if you want to calculate it to get average speed = 1, since 00:34:080 - until 00:34:440 - is 0.75x then what speed that you have to use from 00:34:440 - to 00:34:560 - ?
11:37 Dellvangel: since 00:34:080 - until 00:34:440 - is 3/4 beat, then 3/4 x 0.75 = 0.5625
11:39 Dellvangel: then fill 00:34:440 - to get average speed = 1
11:39 Dellvangel: it wold become 1/4 x 1.75 = 0.473
11:39 Dellvangel: 0.5625 + 0.475 = 1
11:40 Dellvangel: ah i suck at explain this ;w;
11:40 Fontes: so does the combined shift figure recommend 1
11:40 Fontes: ?
11:40 Dellvangel: eh i dont get what u mean
11:41 Fontes: i dont think i hav to must fit that sum figure to 1
11:41 Dellvangel: yea, you dont have actually
11:41 Dellvangel: it is pretty optional
11:41 Fontes: but you mean that is recommended status
11:41 Fontes: right
11:41 Dellvangel: ok then its fine if u want to keep it
11:42 Fontes: but i didn know that how to caculate from that way
11:42 Fontes: i've got a good study from u
11:42 Fontes: :'3
11:43 Dellvangel: actually similar with 00:39:840 - until 00:40:080 - which u calculate it exactly = 1
11:43 Fontes: ok
11:43 Fontes: il try with that way
11:43 Dellvangel: (1.9x + 0.1 x) /2 = 1
11:44 Fontes: yeah i got it now :D
11:44 Fontes: actually im satisfied this status now but i thought it lack refinement
11:45 Dellvangel: 00:40:260 - this, too narrow imo, even the bpm is 125 but 1/8 snap on 0.75x SV is too narrow
11:45 Dellvangel: 00:40:170 - add 1.25 here, then 00:40:260 - 1.00x might plays better
11:46 Dellvangel: 0(.75 + 1.25)/2 = 1
11:46 Fontes: oh
11:46 Fontes: ok
11:46 Fontes: good
11:46 Dellvangel: *(0.75 + 1.25)/2 i mean
11:46 Fontes: sure :3
11:47 Dellvangel: to get average speed = 1 this one should be 1.6x
11:48 Fontes: oh where?
11:48 Dellvangel: 00:40:740 - ah lol
11:48 Dellvangel: that one
11:48 Dellvangel: forgot to paste it xd
11:49 Dellvangel: (3*0.8 + 4*1.6)/ 4 = 1
11:50 Fontes: 3*0.8?
11:50 Dellvangel: im not sure how you calculate the SVs tbh, kinda insonsistent
11:50 Fontes: no.. u doing big help to me now
11:51 Dellvangel: https://dell.s-ul.eu/d5vvG4LH there is 4 square right? and 3 of them are 0.8x
11:51 Fontes: so its related to snap's number
11:51 Dellvangel: i mean 4 square is from up to bottom
11:52 Dellvangel: in one column
11:52 Dellvangel: yea something like that
11:52 Fontes: oh i understand now
11:52 Dellvangel: xd
11:53 Fontes: so aimming average stat =1 would be recommanded. that is the point
11:53 Dellvangel: yea, usually ppl tend to calculate it like that
11:54 Fontes: im just didnt know that about rule to calculate
11:54 Dellvangel: yea xd
11:54 Fontes: ok il entirely try to fix this with u teached
11:55 Dellvangel: to get average speed = 1 this should be 1.75x
11:55 Fontes: thank you alot
11:55 Fontes: <3<3<3
11:55 Dellvangel: 00:42:120 - 
11:55 Fontes: yeah
11:55 Dellvangel: u're welcome :3
11:55 Dellvangel: so we are done now? or still want me to point more?
11:58 Fontes: oh no
11:58 Fontes: is really enough
11:58 Dellvangel: oki, good luck! :3
11:58 Dellvangel: want me to post the chat to the thread?
11:58 Dellvangel: its fine if you dont want too xd
11:58 Fontes: sure why not
11:59 *Dellvangel is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1315763 Kontinuum - Lost (feat. Savoi) [Sunroof Remix]]
11:59 Dellvangel: oki

good luck!

1. Beatmap description: Please turn down the position of the poem by one line.
   The reason is to make people feel more excited and surprised when they see this.
   
   ..and for stability.

1. 01:43:200 (103200|0) - move to 4, 01:47:040 (107040|3) - move to 2
2. 02:38:880 (158880|3) - move to 3

1. 00:24:720 (24720|0,24840|0,25200|0,25320|0,26160|0,26280|0,27120|0,27240|0,27600|0,27720|0) - I don't think I need to overwork my head and hands. Repetition of irregular use of the same finger causes players to be confused.
2. 00:51:360 - ~ 01:04:800 - There seems to be a need to put a slightly stronger SV. like 1.5 0.6 i guess (02: 25: 440 - ~ 02:37:680 - Do the same from here too)

1. 00:28:320 (28320|3,28320|0,28320|1,28440|1,28440|0,28560|3,28560|2,28680|0,28680|3,28800|2,28800|1,28800|0,28920|1,28920|3,29040|0,29040|3,29160|2,29160|0,29280|3,29280|2,29280|1,29400|3,29400|0,29520|1,29520|2,29640|3,29640|0) - Please change it like this. or this. (02:02:400 - Do the same from here too)
2. 00:51:960 (51960|0,52080|0) - It's hard to play, and these parts of this map are not easy to play. You need a task to review as a whole.
   
   Overall, this difficulty seems fine to me. just pattern is a bit tilting.
   As GDer, I do not want anyone to say "this difficulty is unrankable!!"

Lastopia wrote:

Lastopia's Emotional Mod
NM from Personal Request
Columns:|1|2|3|4|

Reply

Replying in English as you requested.

[General]

1. Beatmap description: Please turn down the position of the poem by one line.
   The reason is to make people feel more excited and surprised when they see this.
   
   ..and for stability.

[Easy]

1. 01:43:200 (103200|0) - move to 4, 01:47:040 (107040|3) - move to 2
2. 02:38:880 (158880|3) - move to 3

All applied

[Emotional Drift]

1. 00:28:320 (28320|3,28320|0,28320|1,28440|1,28440|0,28560|3,28560|2,28680|0,28680|3,28800|2,28800|1,28800|0,28920|1,28920|3,29040|0,29040|3,29160|2,29160|0,29280|3,29280|2,29280|1,29400|3,29400|0,29520|1,29520|2,29640|3,29640|0) - Please change it like this. or this. (02:02:400 - Do the same from here too)
   Changed to similar patterns. Good point.
   
2. 00:51:960 (51960|0,52080|0) - It's hard to play, and these parts of this map are not easy to play. You need a task to review as a whole.
   Nope. Agree that it's quite hard, but I think it could be considered as a concept of this map.
   
   Overall, this difficulty seems fine to me. just pattern is a bit tilting.
   As GDer, I do not want anyone to say "this difficulty is unrankable!!"

you and i are koreans. and you are smart and i'm not good at english. i have to study a lot of english. and i was bored. and i received a request for modding from you. yes. that's the reason you're seeing now. tbh it was just a joke since you modded my maps too much. Anyway thanks for mod and 이런 장난 그만 칩시다 ^오^

" Anywhere we can go
When the osu! last forever
And its all you and me
We’ll kiss the first SECOND ranked map "

Spamming all of my ranked-aiming map's thread with mod :thinking: thanks?

Curiossity wrote:

IRC Mod

15:53 Otakujanai: can you mod now
15:53 Otakujanai: people say start ranking process for
15:53 *Otakujanai is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1321781 Kontinuum - Lost (feat. Savoi) [Sunroof Remix]]
15:53 Otakujanai: this one
15:53 Curiossity: sure, i can run through it real quick
15:54 Otakujanai: i can't find anything to fix but since i only got 3 mods so it'll be considered as speedrank or sth
15:54 Curiossity: well it hasn't been uploaded for less than three months so it's not a speedrank
15:55 Curiossity: also i'm bad
15:57 Otakujanai: SVs are bad
15:57 Curiossity: svs are hard, but not bad
15:57 Curiossity: also
15:57 Curiossity: isn't this a dump file
15:58 Otakujanai: umm
15:58 Otakujanai: idk
15:58 Otakujanai: well it was used for MWC so maybe i can ask to juankristal or willy wonka
15:58 Curiossity: ok
15:58 Curiossity: cause that's up to bn
15:58 Otakujanai: but well
15:59 Otakujanai: i heard from fontes that chicken said it's rankable
15:59 Curiossity: i see
16:00 Otakujanai: dunno for other bns
16:00 Curiossity: gotcha
16:01 Curiossity: so for 00:16:800 (16800|3) - 
16:01 Curiossity: in the highest diff
16:01 Curiossity: why isn't it minijacked like the other hands
16:01 Curiossity: also 00:20:640 (20640|1) - 
16:01 Otakujanai: :V
16:02 Curiossity: 00:21:960 (21960|3) - and this one is backwards
16:02 Otakujanai: that's intended
16:02 Curiossity: er,
16:02 Curiossity: right, but why
16:02 Otakujanai: that's
16:02 Otakujanai: emm
16:02 Otakujanai: fixed
16:02 Otakujanai: well
16:02 Otakujanai: if you hear sounds
16:02 Otakujanai: 00:20:640 - this part hars
16:02 Otakujanai: has
16:02 Otakujanai: bit weaker sound
16:02 Otakujanai: so i didn't made it to jack
16:03 Curiossity: you mean this note? 00:20:760 (20760|0) - 
16:03 Curiossity: or the kick itself
16:03 Curiossity: merely curious
16:04 Otakujanai: 00:20:760 -
16:04 Otakujanai: yeah
16:04 Otakujanai: no sound here
16:04 Curiossity: 00:21:240 (21240|3) - but this sound is the same way
16:04 Curiossity: :v
16:04 Otakujanai: tbh it has been 5 months so doesn't remember all
16:04 Otakujanai: and
16:04 Otakujanai: was bit more nooob
16:04 Curiossity: np, np
16:04 Curiossity: this is very nit-picky
16:04 Otakujanai: ah
16:04 Otakujanai: i see
16:05 Curiossity: there's not a lot wrong with the diff and stuff like this is usually fine
16:05 Otakujanai: i'll fix that one
16:05 Curiossity: also anchor here 00:22:080 (22080|3,22320|3,22560|3,22800|3,23040|3) - 
16:05 Curiossity: might not be that big of an issue but 
16:05 Curiossity: thought i'd point it out
16:06 Otakujanai: fixed all
16:06 Curiossity: also this jumptrill thing
16:06 Curiossity: 00:30:240 (30240|3) - 
16:06 Curiossity: is pretty rough
16:06 Otakujanai: well anchor would be okay for here
16:06 Otakujanai: cuz
16:07 Otakujanai: minijack is much harder to handle
16:07 Curiossity: where's here
16:07 Otakujanai: so making anchor on non-minijack line would be alright
16:07 Otakujanai: i mean around 20s
16:07 Curiossity: yeah
16:07 Curiossity: non minijack anchor is probably cool
16:08 Otakujanai: i think i fixed for minijack line
16:08 Curiossity: k
16:08 Otakujanai: 00:30:240 (30240|3) - this one is..
16:08 Otakujanai: ugh
16:08 Otakujanai: not sure for me
16:08 Curiossity: yeah
16:08 Curiossity: it's very dense and hard to acc well unless you're comfortable with 250bpm
16:09 Otakujanai: i'll just take that note till bn check
16:09 Curiossity: k
16:09 Otakujanai: some could say it's inconsistent
16:09 Curiossity: see what they have to say about it
16:09 Otakujanai: i'll keep in mind
16:09 Curiossity: yeah that too
16:09 Curiossity: 00:35:280 (35280|3,35760|0) - 
16:10 Curiossity: actually
16:10 Curiossity: nvm
16:10 Otakujanai: haha
16:10 Curiossity: was going to say that you should abandon the hands and make the pattern more jack based but
16:10 Otakujanai: for snare of course
16:10 Curiossity: i think it's okay with the svs
16:10 Curiossity: well i knew that going in
16:10 Curiossity: but i wasn't sure if it was strong enough of a sound to be hands
16:11 Otakujanai: that's why some said it's overmapped
16:11 Curiossity: 00:39:900 (39900|0,40320|3) - here
16:11 Curiossity: you have streams for the first bit but not the second
16:11 Otakujanai: that's
16:11 Curiossity: while it's the same buzzing sounds
16:12 Otakujanai: 02:13:920 - different with here right
16:12 Otakujanai: ?
16:12 Otakujanai: i thought if i made that all streams it would be boring
16:12 Curiossity: i think the stream part is short enoug that it wouldn't get repetetive
16:12 Curiossity: and it's more consistent
16:13 Curiossity: if you have it like you do in the second kiai
16:13 Otakujanai: and might heard stuffs like part1 and part2 are ctrl+cved
16:13 Curiossity: switch the direction of the streams and it's more a e s t h e t i c
16:13 Curiossity: also i doubt people will call you for copy paste
16:13 Otakujanai: kk
16:13 Curiossity: 02:05:220 (125220|1,125280|2,125280|0,125280|3,125340|1,125400|3) - also wtf
16:13 Curiossity: ow
16:14 Otakujanai: that's
16:14 Otakujanai: what
16:14 Otakujanai: juankristal created
16:14 Curiossity: why did juan make it so
16:14 Otakujanai: during semifinal mappool pick,
16:14 Otakujanai: he said my patterns are inconsistent
16:14 Otakujanai: and told me to make like that
16:15 Otakujanai: dunno
16:15 Curiossity: hm
16:15 Otakujanai: i'll just put 02:05:400 (125400|3) - to line 3
16:15 Otakujanai: no
16:15 Curiossity: that would be the same issue
16:15 Otakujanai: anchor will be too long
16:15 Otakujanai: yeah
16:15 Curiossity: idk
16:16 Curiossity: you odn't have to change it now
16:16 Curiossity: just pointing out things that might need attention
16:16 Otakujanai: k
16:16 Curiossity: 00:48:000 (48000|0) - same thing as before with the streams
16:17 Otakujanai: yep i know
16:17 Curiossity: 00:51:360 (51360|1) - here, there's a short break before each new synth sound
16:17 Curiossity: in this section
16:17 Curiossity: so maybe take out the last note in each stream to reflect that, and a stutter sv or something
16:17 Curiossity: but
16:17 Curiossity: that might be too much
16:18 Curiossity: or not what you had in mind
16:18 Otakujanai: that's probably because of distortion effect while composing this thing
16:18 Curiossity: aye
16:18 Otakujanai: hmmm... what should i do
16:19 Curiossity: idk
16:19 Curiossity: also 01:03:300 (63300|3,63360|2,63420|3) - could be painful
16:19 Otakujanai: i think that note could be considered as
16:19 Otakujanai: drum note
16:19 Otakujanai: that's intended
16:19 Curiossity: right
16:19 Otakujanai: to break combo for last section of part 1
16:19 Otakujanai: to make players angry
16:19 Curiossity: lmao
16:20 Curiossity: 01:56:040 (116040|0) - also few reverse jacks or whatever you want to call them, if you were going to chagne them
16:20 Curiossity: if not nvm
16:20 Otakujanai: thus there are not much pattern i could pick
16:20 Curiossity: yeah true but 
16:20 Otakujanai: yep i've already fixed those
16:21 Curiossity: 01:04:200 (64200|0,64260|1,64320|2,64380|1) - this transition here
16:21 Curiossity: is much easier since it's split between hands
16:21 Curiossity: but
16:21 Curiossity: it would be rearranging so 
16:21 Curiossity: don't force it if the patterns don't line up
16:22 Curiossity: 02:13:200 (133200|3) - in sections like these
16:22 Curiossity: people might complain about inconsistency of jacks but i don't know how much of a problem that is
16:23 Otakujanai: that would be okay
16:23 Otakujanai: if bn's don't catch it
16:23 Otakujanai: might be problem if there are people who doesn't want this thing to be ranked
16:23 Curiossity: 02:25:200 (145200|0,145260|1,145320|2,145380|3) - and 00:51:120 (51120|0,51240|3) - 
16:23 Curiossity: same sound but different layering/pattern
16:23 Curiossity: also yeah, but it's a good map
16:23 Curiossity: who doesn't want it ranked :c
16:24 Otakujanai: sv haters of course XP
16:24 Curiossity: o tur
16:24 Curiossity: true
16:24 Otakujanai: 00:51:120 - fixed here
16:24 Curiossity: 02:27:780 (147780|3,147900|3,147960|2,148080|2) - lots of jacks within streams like here
16:24 Curiossity: not a bad thing per se
16:24 Curiossity: but it doesn't really feel consistent or meaningful
16:24 Otakujanai: oki fixed
16:25 Curiossity: @.@ fixing it wasn't really the point but
16:25 Curiossity: cool
16:25 Curiossity: 02:48:480 (168480|1,168480|0,168600|0,168600|1,168720|0,168720|1,168840|1,168840|0) - here, since you've already done a long jack on the left hand
16:25 Curiossity: maybe you could make it 13,13,13,13, instead of 12,12,12,12,
16:25 Curiossity: or some other pattern
16:25 Curiossity: idunno
16:25 Curiossity: same just a bit later
16:26 Curiossity: with right hand
16:26 Otakujanai: it's concept all through last part
16:26 Otakujanai: so won't fix it
16:26 Curiossity: ok
16:26 Curiossity: np
16:26 Curiossity: 02:53:760 (173760|3) - 
16:26 Curiossity: this part feels kinda strange but
16:26 Curiossity: i don't really know any solution
16:26 Otakujanai: me too
16:27 Otakujanai: ah
16:27 Otakujanai: i would
16:27 Otakujanai: just
16:27 Curiossity: 02:54:120 (174120|2) - maybe add a stream until here
16:27 Otakujanai: make stream till 02:54:000 - here
16:27 Curiossity: idk
16:27 Curiossity: that works
16:27 Curiossity: that would feel much better imo
16:28 Curiossity: 00:09:240 (9240|3) - also one last thing, this stream here is kinda iffy
16:28 Curiossity: in terms of actually existing
16:28 Otakujanai: what does it mean by iffy
16:28 Curiossity: the sound it represents
16:28 Otakujanai: doesn't match?
16:29 Curiossity: i'm not sure if it's pure 1/4 notes or not
16:29 Otakujanai: ahh
16:29 Curiossity: 00:10:800 (10800|3,10920|2) - especially last two notes
16:29 Otakujanai: it's not actually but dump
16:29 Curiossity: yeah i figured as much
16:29 Otakujanai: since those sounds are not that accurate to put notes
16:29 Curiossity: mhm
16:29 Otakujanai: i tried to put SVs
16:30 Otakujanai: but failed
16:30 Curiossity: ;w
16:30 Curiossity: ;
16:30 Otakujanai: probably fontes already asked to fresh chicekn about this
16:30 Curiossity: ok
16:30 Curiossity: do you want me to mod other charts as well
16:30 Otakujanai: thanks man
16:30 Otakujanai: post it if you want
16:30 Otakujanai: well
16:30 Otakujanai: if you can mod hard it would be good
16:30 Curiossity: 'kay
16:31 Curiossity: 00:21:240 (21240|1) - ghost?
16:31 Curiossity: 00:19:800 (19800|3) - 
16:32 Curiossity: 00:56:760 (56760|1) - maybe move this to col. 3, then
16:32 Curiossity: 00:56:880 (56880|1,57000|2) - have these two on col. 2
16:32 Otakujanai: 00:19:800 (19800|3) - this one is not
16:33 Otakujanai: that one is intentional
16:33 Curiossity: if there's a sound there it's very faint
16:33 Otakujanai: since this hard diff is too easy for SR
16:33 Curiossity: >.<
16:33 Curiossity: 00:35:040 (35040|0) - if you want more difficulty you could add minijacks here
16:33 Curiossity: or something
16:34 Otakujanai: that
16:34 Otakujanai: would be
16:34 Otakujanai: too crucial
16:34 Otakujanai: minijacks all around the map with *3.4
16:34 Curiossity: i mean
16:34 Curiossity: tbf 
16:34 Curiossity: it's 125 bpm
16:34 Curiossity: and it's not everywhere
16:34 Curiossity: but i see your point
16:35 Otakujanai: hmm
16:35 Otakujanai: mm
16:35 Otakujanai: mmm
16:35 Otakujanai: argh
16:35 Curiossity: don't feel like you have to do it
16:35 Otakujanai: mapping seems to be the hardest game
16:35 Curiossity: lol
16:36 Otakujanai: well i'll just let novice players to get their pp
16:36 Curiossity: 02:30:840 (150840|3) - same deal as when i mentioned earlier
16:36 Curiossity: ah ok
16:36 Curiossity: you mean dt players
16:36 Otakujanai: nope
16:36 Otakujanai: oh
16:36 Otakujanai: that could work too
16:36 Otakujanai: but it's only *4.8
16:37 Curiossity: yea
16:37 Curiossity: ;w;
16:37 Otakujanai: so doesn't mean too much
16:37 Curiossity: that's all i have for hard
16:37 Otakujanai: DT last diff if you want pp
16:37 Otakujanai: thanks :D
16:37 Curiossity: np np

Good luck!

riunosk wrote:

helo
from queue 1234

hhhhard

00:25:920 (25920|0,26160|0,26400|0,26640|0) - anchor fixed
00:27:360 (27360|0,27600|0,27840|0,28080|0,28320|0) - ^ this one is not cuz I want to made it bit harder for transition part
02:00:960 (120960|0,121200|0,121440|0,121680|0,121920|0,122160|0,122400|0) - ^ fixed
02:16:560 (136560|1,136800|1,137040|1,137280|1,137520|1,137760|1) - ^ fixed
Pretty good chart, though has quite a bit of anchors that needs to be reduced

imo anchors are not always bad. They make players feel the main beat of the song. So since this hard diff's stream part is way easier than it's star rating, i'm pretty sure that using bit long anchors (up to 5 or 6) are okay.

i cry while i drift

(unrelated)
LOOK AT THAT GRASS HEALTHY GRASS
00:57:920 (57920|0,57920|1,58000|1,58000|0) - probably better to move one of them to [34] Intentionally made to be technical
02:04:080 (124080|0,124200|0,124320|0,124440|0,124560|0,124680|0,124800|0) - this is gonna be really uncomfortable to play, especially since the main mashy part hasn't begun yet Fixed
02:32:000 (152000|2,152000|3,152080|3,152080|2) - same as before ^
Interesting chart, great SVs, but be careful of extreme anchors

gud luk for renk !!

Ryu Sei wrote:

Quick SV suggestion:

01:20:160 - I'd like to see a super super super slowjam here (do a 10-0,1 with 1/16 space) for every diffs and chords/doubles.

No kudosu pls

Otakujanai wrote:

Although teleportation effect that you suggested is good and make this map more fun, that doesn't fit with the other parts since I tried to make this chart to give players some soft, emotional impact, which means no dramatic effects will be used through whole map. Also, it is not that good to hit super slowjams like 0.1x or 0.15x which drops playability. Sorry for rejecting your suggestion and thanks for giving some attention to my map!

Ryu Sei wrote:

Otakujanai wrote:

Although teleportation effect that you suggested is good and make this map more fun, that doesn't fit with the other parts since I tried to make this chart to give players some soft, emotional impact, which means no dramatic effects will be used through whole map. Also, it is not that good to hit super slowjams like 0.1x or 0.15x which drops playability. Sorry for rejecting your suggestion and thanks for giving some attention to my map!

I don't think such effect of surprise will be suffered by players, as I tried it over and over to every diffs. Of course, before the actual high-density part - 01:31:680 - normalize it to previous SV before sudden warp thing. You can also mix and match SVs and make kinda warp that length looks drastically decreasing for every chords pressed on that part.
Too bad I can't feel the SVs on easier diffs, as I could recommend this map could be a beginner's introduction to SV changes. Be it like, shooting some mild stutters (1,3 - 0,7), bounces or anything else it could be.

Anyway, here, take my kudosu and rank it soon! o wo) or I'll punish you if your SV looks 100000000% uglier than mine

qqqant wrote:

This is a pretty good map, I just have a small concern regarding the spikes in Emotional Drift.

Switching the BPM to 250, you can see the spikes are pretty clear (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9457553)

Upon further investigation, the first and second pink bars are jump-heavy dense 125bpm 1/8 snap handstreams which equates to 250bpm 1/4 snap. To put this into perspective, this is slightly harder than Celestial stinger with less dense patterns at 259bpm. However, comparing the spikes to the rest of the map - 125bpm 1/4snap jacks (perspective: Swampgator at 126bpm), with similar layering. In my opinion, the jacks in this map are much easier than the handstreams. The remainder of the map is single 250bpm stream with long LN - clearly a lot easier than the handstreams. I see that you are definitely keeping the overall difficulty of the map as smooth as possible (and here I'll just note that the difficulty is definitely not reflected in the Star Rating but lol who cares) but I think that the sudden handstream spike was way out of place, and my biggest concern - it calls for mash

Now I understand that the only alternative to maintain similar layering is changing these to jumptrills which is probably a big no-no for you (because if it wasn't you'd've already done so), but I do suggest trying some other pattern.

Note : This is just my opinion - If this wasn't helpful, always remember that you don't have to give kudosu

Otakujanai wrote:

1) Light users don't have much experience in the field of SVs and most of them usually don't like it, which also mean they don't need extra effects.
They usually play lightly just to enjoy music, so SVs could bother them while playing.

Otakujanai wrote:

If you disagree with about my opinions feel free to ask me here or in-game.
Sorry for rejecting again, and thanks for supporting my map Ryu Dragon Life?!

Ryu Sei wrote:

Not going to bump this topic, but final opinion:

Otakujanai wrote:

1) Light users don't have much experience in the field of SVs and most of them usually don't like it, which also mean they don't need extra effects.
They usually play lightly just to enjoy music, so SVs could bother them while playing.

And that's why it's possible (and maybe good thing?) to make 'boss' easy/normal diff (let's call easy map but with spice of SV). o wo)"!
The reason why easy players didn't want to progress is because they felt such a struggling gimmick (simply called notes which speeds up/slows down) while playing harder maps (per my own experience) ene)"
Isn't that a good idea to introduce it? 'w')

Otakujanai wrote:

If you disagree with about my opinions feel free to ask me here or in-game.
Sorry for rejecting again, and thanks for supporting my map Ryu Dragon Life?!

You can call me with any name but doragon life

Looking forward for it! owo)

Otakujanai wrote:

imo anchors are not always bad. They make players feel the main beat of the song. So since this hard diff's stream part is way easier than it's star rating, i'm pretty sure that using bit long anchors (up to 5 or 6) are okay.

qqqant wrote:

I guess u have to update the background too

NishiwakiAyaka wrote:

Hello man!
Modding Request for my queue

Umm... did I ever requested a mod to you? Still, random suggestions are great for me tho.
And I tried to find your modding queue but there does not exist such a queue.

Last0Pia

00:07:725 (7725|3) - Remove it, cause not covered
00:15:165 (15165|3) - Adding to 1 slider in the 4th column
00:30:765 (30765|1,31245|2,31725|3) - My suggest, it's better to use 1 slide only
01:20:205 (80205|3,84045|2,87885|0,91725|1) - can you adding to Slider, please?

I'm sorry, but Normal is remapped recently so wasn't able to apply your mods.

HaRd

00:40:125 (40125|1) - Remove it By what reason? There exist clear sound.
01:20:205 (80205|0,84045|3,87885|0,91725|2) - Adding some LN I think it's quite clear that I intentionally didn't use LNs there.
00:57:885 (57885|1,57965|2,58045|3) - Can you adding some SV? Didn't want to add SVs for distinct/repetitive sounds in hard diff. I actually did in the last diff.
02:31:965 (151965|2,152045|1,152125|0) - ^

That's a few modding request from me. if there are some errors, please forgive

#NishA

Garalulu wrote:

owo

동일한 이슈를 가지고 있는 부분은 적지 않았습니다.

[Hard]

1. 00:03:405 - 노트량 조절이 필요합니다. 00:01:485 - 나 00:09:165 - 같은 경우는 드럼이 추가되었으므로 이 부분보다 더 강조되어야 하지만 동일한 양의 노트 구조를 볼 수 있습니다. 노트를 한 개 줄이는 게 바람직합니다. 네
2. 00:18:765 - 00:24:525 - 전체적인 1/4에 노트를 두는 것 보단 00:20:445 - 00:20:685 - 와 같은 두 부분에만 드럼을 강조해 노트를 두는게 하위 난이도와의 밸런스가 잘 맞다고 생각합니다.
   
   00:30:165 - 까지 느낌이 잘 살지 않는듯해 패턴 변경하였으니 확인 부탁드립니다.
   
   
3. 00:58:485 - 이전 파트 00:50:805 - 와 달리 노트 2개인 이유가 있나요? 수정했습니다

[Emotional Drift]

1. 00:49:965 - 여기서 더블로 표현되었는데 00:53:805 - 여기서는 싱글이네요. 동일한 다른 구조에서도 전부 노트 1개로만 이루어져 있으니 확인 후 수정 바랍니다. 수정했습니다
2. 01:35:565 - 3연타보단 01:37:485 - 처럼 4연타로 표현하는게 보기 좋네요. 네
3. 01:36:525 - 01:37:005 - 3연타를 이용할 만한 느낌은 아닙니다. 게다가 구조상으로도 01:42:285 - 01:42:765 - 와 별반 다른 느낌을 얻지 못했습니다. 수정해야 할 필요가 있습니다. 단순히 01:36:645 (96645|0,96765|0,96885|0) - 이 음들의 pitch를 맞춘것입니다
4. 01:46:965 - 이전 파트인 01:43:125 - 와 다르게 노트 한 개 더 추가할 구성인지는 살짝 의문이 듭니다.
   
   =>전체적으로 01:35:565 - 부터 01:50:925 - 까지는 소리가 비교적 애매한 transition구간이기에 메인 멜로디가 되는 소리들에만 노트를 하나씩 넣었습니다. 01:43:245 - 부터는 분위기가 약간 강해진 느낌이 나서 이전구간과 비교하였을때 01:43:245 - 와 01:44:205 - 처럼 1/2마디마다 들리는 약간 드럼소리에 노트를 하나씩 더 줬고 01:35:565 - 는 예외적으로 노트 하나를 더 줬습니다.
   들어보셨으니 아시겠지만 01:43:125 - 에는 멜로디가 없고 01:46:965 - 에는 이전음과 같은 pitch의 소리가 있습니다.
   pitch를 같게하기위해 01:46:965 (106965|3) - col 3->4로 변경했습니다.

반복된 구성에 안정적인 패턴 구조가 인상적입니다.

Syadow- wrote:

where's ez diff xd

Garalulu wrote:

owo =w=

동일한 이슈를 가지고 있는 부분은 적지 않았습니다.



[Lastopia's Advanced]

1. 00:13:485 (13485|2) - 드럼을 강조하기 위해 00:14:445 (14445|2,14685|2,14925|1,15165|1) - 와 같이 00:13:725 - 와 같은
   col로 옮겨주심이 더 좋아보입니다. 00:13:245 (13245|2) - 같은 경우는 단순 멜로디이기 때문에 그냥 두셔도 괜찮습니다. 2 col로 옮겨주었습니다.
2. 00:25:485 (25485|2,25725|2,25965|2) - 두 개씩 같은 col에 배치되어 있는 이전 패턴과 달리 이 부분에서는 3개가 연속적으로 같은 col에 존재합니다. 00:24:525 - 00:25:965 - 와 00:26:445 - 00:28:365 - 의 서로 다른 컨셉을 이어주는 패턴이 되었으면 좋겠네요.
   00:25:965 (25965|2) - 를 col 2, 00:26:205 (26205|1) - 를 col 3으로 옮겨주면 00:25:725 (25725|1,25965|1) - 모양이 이전 컨셉을 이어주고 12 34 형태 패턴이 이후 컨셉을 잘 이어준다고 생각합니다. 패턴 변경하였습니다.
3. 00:28:125 - 00:28:365 - 이전과 달리 단순한 드럼이 아닌 드르륵 소리가 나기 때문에 롱놋으로 표현해주면 이뻐보입니다. 롱놋으로 변경하였습니다 의견 감사합니다!
4. 00:34:125 - 00:34:605 - 멜로디를 희생하고 1/2에 노트 하나만 둘 이유가 있나요? 00:35:085 - 00:36:045 - 에서처럼 멜로디를 표현해 주세요.
   아니면 02:08:205 - 02:09:165 - 처럼 롱놋을 활용해 주세요. 전체적으로 롱놋으로 바꾸어주었습니다.
5. 00:38:925 (38925|3) - 롱놋을 1/2 사이즈로 길게 두는 것 보단 이전과 같이 1/4에 멜로디로 노트를 넣는게 더 일관성 있고, 굳이 1/8 사운드를 위해 노트를 희생할 필요는 없다고 봅니다. 말씀해주신 의견과는 다르게 변경하였습니다. 확인 부탁드립니다.
6. 00:39:885 - 00:40:845 - 이 부분과 00:47:565 - 00:48:525 - 는 상당히 비슷한 느낌의 진행이니 롱놋을 좀 더 활용해주세요. 00:34:125 - 00:35:085 - 와 같은 경우는 멜로디 진행을 강조하는 방향으로 나아가면 롱놋을 굳이 넣을 필요는 없습니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
7. 02:15:645 - 이전 키아이에서는 00:41:565 - 에 롱놋을 한 개만 두었으니 일관성을 맞춰야 합니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
8. 02:16:365 (136365|1,136605|1) - 같은 col에 위치하면 오히려 멜로디의 느낌을 방해한다고 생각합니다. 4 col로 옮겨주었습니다.
9. 02:22:605 - 02:23:565 - 이전 키아이와 같은 노트 구성을 이용해주세요. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
10. 02:24:885 (144885|1) - 전 파트인 00:50:805 - 에서는 노트를 두지 않은 부분입니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
11. 02:36:285 - 전 파트에선 노트 한 개로 표현된 부분입니다. 일관성 유지시켰습니다.
    
    전체적으로 일관성에 초점을 두어 다시 검토해 볼 필요가 있습니다. 많이 실수했었네요 =w=

반복된 구성에 안정적인 패턴 구조가 인상적입니다.

Garalulu wrote:

owo

[Fontes' Insane]

1. 00:31:725 - 00:32:205 - 점프트릴 할 정도로 강한 사운드는 아니라고 생각합니다. 그 전에 비해 사운드가 추가되었다는 느낌도 없구요. 너프해야 할 필요가 있습니다.
   이대로 가도 상관없다고 생각함. 그리고 밑에 2놋이 잘못끼워져 있어서 위화감이 더 컸다고 생각함. 수정완
2. 00:35:925 - 강한 멜로디 구조니 00:35:805 - 처럼 더블로 강조하는 건 어떤가요? 00:39:765 - 와 동일한 구조로 표현하기엔 살짝 아쉽네요.
   강조하고싶었는데 난이도를 고려해서 잭흐름을 부드럽게 하고싶엇음. 그래서 치기어려운부분은 걸러낸 예.
3. 00:39:105 - 다른 난이도처럼 이 사운드를 살려도 좋아보입니다.
   수정완
4. 01:42:885 - 같은 col에 두어야 할 특별한 이유는 없네요.
   수정완

반복된 구성에 안정적인 패턴 구조가 인상적입니다.

riunosk wrote:

helo
from queue 1234

foNtessssS

00:39:060 - missing note?
00:46:740 - ^
fixed.
Great chart with very minor issues

Sorry, i didn realize got mod since i made qwq

Dreamwalker wrote:

Writing this to clarify my intentions about 00:30:285 - and 02:04:365 - (plus to make sure no drama or related stuff happen)

So, as I already explained to DDMythical in-game, my first patterns were constant [12][34] through the whole section.
But to make it a bit more challenging while having high consistency, I made it like 3-1-2-2-2-2-2-1-3-1-2-2-2-2-2-1... and so on
like bubbled version below.

Version 1

However, yes I knew some people would feel a bit disappointed by those density spikes.
So after some talks with DDM, I tried to make patterns as he suggested that is based on [2][3][2][3] trills while having density increase, like below. (And he agreed with the fact that given example of posted version was a bit too easy)

Version 2

(sorry if I didn't get it right @DDM)

Taking "Japanese Transformation" as an example, I would say using [2][34][2][34] or [12][34][12][34] style of layering could work perfectly fine with other parts of the music since the patterns are constantly dense over the whole map. However due to the nature of this song, we actually have the musically rising, or maybe we could say it as 'spiky' sections.

So what I thought about this was, we should focus more on the difficulty curve, not the density itself. Some might say version 2 patterns have a bit more reasonable density curve and I partially agree with that. Comparing with version 1 patterns, by making this part a bit less constant we can make the smoother density curve, and of course, I once have thought this might be a solution before. I would've made this part's pattern more fun if this wasn't going for ranked, however, the difficulty for that part is similar or some said it's even a lot harder than version 1, which is not the essential solution. (got those opinions by testplays) So I ended up with making a bit nerfed version of version 1 patterns here, like below.

Version 3

I know somewhat jumptrilly patterns of version 3 are less fun than patterns like version 2. However for me, it seems more reasonable since the difficulty isn't that far from sections through 00:28:125 - to 00:30:285 - , which is musically a bit more correct in my sight.


So this is how far I thought about this section. I would say I might change patterns to version 3 before this map gets heart icon, but since version 1 patterns are the polished patterns by juankristal (and maybe with Pope Gadget too) during the semi-final mappool selection of 2017MWC4K, which could still work fine for my sight. Please let me know if anyone has a better solution for this. I'll check it thoroughly so don't worry.

Kawawa wrote:

패턴은 개인차에 따라 다르겠지만 제 기준으로는 전혀 건드릴 필요없다고 생각하네요
그래서 약간 걸리는 점과 실수로 보이는 부분만을 적었습니다

[Normal]
02:31:245 - 롱놋 길이가 의도 된지는 모르나 실수로 판단되네요.
의도하던 사운드는 02:31:965 - 여기서부터 시작하며 동일한 파트로는 아래 00:57:885 (57885|2) - 이거와 비교하시면 될 듯 해요.
다른 난이도와 비교해서도 참고 할 수 있습니다.

수정했습니다

[Lastopia's Advanced]
-

[Standard]
00:16:845 - ~ 00:24:525 - 저는 여기가 꽤 위험하다고 생각하는 부분이에요.
게스트 난이도이기 이전에 이전 난이도(Advanced)에서는 1/1을 유지했고 여기서는 파격적으로 1/4의 리듬으로 건너 뛰어졌기 때문에
여기서 갭을 좀 낮출 필요가 있다고 생각합니다(디퀄 사유의 예 : 난이도간 급격한 밀도 변화) 혹시 모르니 피드백
00:24:525 - 여기부터는 괜찮다고 생각하므로 변경 하실 필요가 없습니다
(Must가 아니라 제 기준에서는 Should 이기 때문에 선택은 자유, 고민 되시면 추가적으로 논의 해볼 수 있으니 아무데나 피엠 주세욥)

01:50:925 - ~ 01:58:605 - 위와 동일.

00:16:845 - ~ 00:24:525 - 는 나름대로 고쳤고 01:50:925 - ~ 01:58:605 - 는 안고치기로 했습니다.
의도적이지는 않았지만 다른 난이도에서는 01:35:565 - 부터 이어져오던 메인 멜로디가 fade out 되는부분을 무시했기에 여기서는 살려보고싶었네요.
바로 이전 파트와 비교했을때도 플로우도 더 자연스러운거같아서 냅뒀습니다.

힛사를 00:16:845 - ~ 00:24:525 -에서는 2놋-1놋-2놋-1놋 구간에서 1놋에도 스네어음 줬는데 01:50:925 - ~ 01:58:605 - 에서는 표현 요소가 멜로디라서 힛사 2놋 제외하고는 뺐습니다

[Fontes' Insane]
-

[Emotional Drift]
-

구성 되게 잘하셨습니다
4키에서 원기의 트리거 이후로 정말 오랜만에 독보적인 맵을 봤네요! 굿

Evening wrote:

Emotional Drift
02:28:845 (148845|1,149085|2) - 00:54:765 (54765|1,55005|1) - what's with these svs being 0.8x normalized

00:33:885 (33885|0,34125|0) - and why is this 0.7x

E: Sorry forgot to comment on why they should be fixed:
They look odd and stands out like an error instead of it being mapped to a special sound since literally every other SV is 1.0 normalized, and the sound here doesn't really feel like it justifies the usage

I would comment on the other SVs being not fitting to the instrumentals used but I'll be doing that in 5 days time (weekends) so I'll preferably not obstruct your ranking process if you're keen to rank it

Protastic101 wrote:

Hello! Apologies about the last day disqualification as we have taken a day or two to mull this over before coming to our decision.

On behalf of the mania QAT, we are taking this map down because it forces patterns and concepts inappropriate for the song's relative difficulty which makes it unrealistically reflect the contents and nature of the song. I do not wish to throw the word "dump" around freely as I believe it tends to be taken as an insult to the mapper(s), but this is what this chart is, and I do not mean it in a rude way.

Previously, we have allowed semi-dumps to be ranked before and they have been widely regarded as some of the best maps mania has currently ranked. This though, goes beyond that, and goes from being challenging gimmicks and unique interpretations of a song through a chart to forced difficulty for the sake of making a hard map out of a relatively tranquil song. We believe it no longer reflects the song properly, and instead is inserting difficulty in awkward places which feels forced and unnatural.

Some examples of this from the top difficulty are as follows:
00:09:165 - to 00:11:085 - While not nearly as hard as other areas of the chart, we believe the majority of these to be ghost notes as they are played over indistinct sounds continuing from 00:08:565 - which are currently unacceptable unless for the sake of preserving flow, which in this case it is not believed to have this effect.
00:21:765 (21765|0,22245|3) - Similarly.
02:04:365 - ^

00:30:285 - As the song is 125 BPM, 1/8 streams and even jumpstreams can be considered fine for short periods of time due to the slow bpm, but we need to keep in mind that this is essentially a 250 BPM 1/4 dense handstream which leaves only 60 ms for players to read and properly hit notes. This alone boosts SR by 0.20* and is an unnecessary spike. A cleaner handstream with 1/4 jumps would be more closely centered to the general difficulty of the chart. A suggestion could be like so https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/11048440

00:34:125 - Accents at consistent intervals for sounds that do not change in volume or emphasis. The first half of each phrase (from 00:36:045 - to 00:37:005 - ) have a much lower note density, whereas the second half of the measure (from 00:37:005 - to 00:37:965 - ) have a large jump in density despite the fact that the song has clearer instruments that are more isolated and lighter in sound. A possible solution to this would be to reduce the chord sizes in the second half of each measure in order to reduce the jump in note density as we do understand that keeping a similar density would make the map truly awkward with the long notes to play.

00:39:885 - 00:49:485 - 00:51:405 - 00:53:325 - and so on. Yes, there have been other maps where we have allowed 1/8 bursts for bass growls, but they were not as smooth or clean as the sounds here. There is such a negligible amount of vibration or change within each of these synths to warrant these bursts that they are notes for non-existent alterations in the music. Especially combined with long notes which already do an excellent job of representing the long sounds and the SVs which accentuate the more hectic nature of this ending section, these notes almost become redundant. A proposed solution would be to use long notes for the 1/8 bursts instead, and use stronger SV stutters to represent the very slight variations in sound.


These are the main reasons why we are taking the map down. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask either me, Feerum, or Asherz007 for help. Most likely, I will be making a larger post later with more specifics of the issues we have so rest assured, these are not the only solutions available to you.