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__Ag

Joined July 2011

__Ag 2016-06-07T04:37:55+00:00

12:02 __Ag: 00:02:530 (4) -
12:02 __Ag: 这个换成circle
12:03 Hanazawa Kana: 你的意思是两个单点吗
12:03 __Ag: 第一个放在400 228，第二个和00:03:107 (1) - 重叠
12:03 __Ag: 对
12:04 Hanazawa Kana: 好
12:04 __Ag: 00:05:030 (3,5) - 这种排列已经很老了，看上去就是一股12年的味道23333
12:05 Hanazawa Kana: 是
12:05 Hanazawa Kana: _(:3」∠)_
12:05 __Ag: 我看看怎么摆
12:06 Hanazawa Kana: 想不出好摆法就转圈了
12:06 Hanazawa Kana: en
12:07 __Ag: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5333355
12:07 __Ag: 这样吧
12:08 __Ag: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5333356
12:08 __Ag: 后面的二连和8这样
12:08 Hanazawa Kana: hao
12:09 __Ag: 00:12:530 (6,7) -
12:10 __Ag: 6 368 228.7 196 256
12:10 Hanazawa Kana: 嗯
12:11 __Ag: 00:17:530 (1) - 这种到蓝线的滑条如果蓝线没有音最好来个尾巴消音
12:12 __Ag: 就是在尾巴上插个5%的绿线，然后后面再恢复
12:12 Hanazawa Kana: 好d
12:12 Hanazawa Kana: 不消音打气来回很明显吗
12:13 __Ag: 00:18:780 (5) - 这个没有音的，去掉吧，不然难免被吐槽
12:13 __Ag: 因为很多人都是带皮肤音效，不消音会很蛋疼
12:14 Hanazawa Kana: 嗯
12:15 Hanazawa Kana: 但是这五连改成单点加三连感觉不好打啊.
12:15 __Ag: 00:20:607 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 这一串放得感觉有点随意了，我个人建议00:20:799 (2) - 这个用个滑条过渡一下排列
12:15 __Ag: 但是那里的确没音
12:15 Hanazawa Kana: 嗯
12:16 __Ag: 为什么不好打，因为你的00:17:914 (2) - 这个是跟的人声，这里跟bgm就可以过渡
12:17 Hanazawa Kana: _(:з」∠)_
12:17 Hanazawa Kana: 嗯
12:18 __Ag: 00:29:741 (4) - 严格来说这里也是没有音的，但是这里可以放，因为这个是在长白线重音前可以overmap
12:19 __Ag: 00:29:453 (1) - remove NC，00:29:837 (5) - NC，00:30:222 (1) - remove nc
12:19 __Ag: 00:31:376 (1) - 尾巴消音
12:20 __Ag: 00:34:453 (1) - 同
12:20 Hanazawa Kana: en
12:20 __Ag: 00:40:030 (1,2,3,4) - 这一串就是overmap了
12:21 __Ag: 00:40:126 (2,4) - 先把这两个去掉，00:39:645 (4) - 这用滑条拉到00:39:933 - 这里，然后尾巴消音
12:22 Hanazawa Kana: 好这里我等下也改回去ba
12:22 Hanazawa Kana: 嗯
12:23 __Ag: 00:40:607 (1,2,3) - 这三个不适合拉到蓝线，前面的拉到蓝线你可以解释为跟人声，但是这里怎么也说不通
12:24 __Ag: 00:55:510 (5) - 这个一定要去掉
12:25 __Ag: 等下
12:25 __Ag: 不用去了
12:25 Hanazawa Kana: 好
12:25 Hanazawa Kana: 嗯?
12:25 __Ag: 虽然是很轻的声音，但是有音，我再办公室耳机不好
12:26 __Ag: 01:01:857 (7) - 这药去掉
12:26 Hanazawa Kana: 噫
12:26 Hanazawa Kana: 好
12:27 __Ag: 01:06:568 (1) - 这个拉到01:06:953 - 这里然后跟个二连
12:29 __Ag: 01:14:260 - 可以加个note
12:29 __Ag: 美丽

_Stan

Beatmap Nominator

777 posts

Joined June 2012

_Stan 2016-06-08T14:02:20+00:00

Hey from my modq

[Easy]
整体觉得挺不错了，blanket很好，全程按着flow
00:40:607 (1,2) - 全面都是很弧线的，包的很美，这里感觉两个直线很生硬，主要是组合起来不好看
01:00:607 (3) - 滑条末尾点移动到( x:18 y:258 )，主要是和后面01:00:222 (2,3,4,1) - 看起来和谐好看一点

[Normal]
00:19:068 (1,2) - 考虑把2和前面滑条放成一条直线，要不就偏移大一点，这样看起来有一点怪。要直不直的。

[Hard]
还没加滑条颜色么??
00:35:991 (1,1) - 虽然看得出你特意安排的，但是我觉得略奇怪，音乐和节奏都没有很特别的地方，但是我也没啥建议 - -，看你吧。
00:40:607 (1,2) - 包好一点??
00:50:799 (6,7,1) - 个人觉得跳的不错
00:51:183 (1,2) - 仔细看，没包好
00:53:683 (1) - 滑条末尾点移动到( x:396 y:203 ) 00:53:683 (1,1) - 在一条线上是不是要好看点？
00:58:107 (3) - 要不要往右加一点弧度什么的，感觉和00:58:107 (3,4) - 太近，虽然不影响读，但是看起来没有00:58:683 (4,5,1) - 这样的间隙美观。

我觉的整体看起来挺不错的啊，很棒啊，rank把 233333
GOOD LUCK

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-06-08T15:05:13+00:00

_Stan wrote:
Hey from my modq

[Easy]
整体觉得挺不错了，blanket很好，全程按着flow
00:40:607 (1,2) - 全面都是很弧线的，包的很美，这里感觉两个直线很生硬，主要是组合起来不好看我觉得还行
01:00:607 (3) - 滑条末尾点移动到( x:18 y:258 )，主要是和后面01:00:222 (2,3,4,1) - 看起来和谐好看一点还好吧

[Normal]
00:19:068 (1,2) - 考虑把2和前面滑条放成一条直线，要不就偏移大一点，这样看起来有一点怪。要直不直的。好

感谢摸图

_MiaoFUuU_

314 posts

Joined April 2014

_MiaoFUuU_ 2016-06-09T08:57:09+00:00

Easy

00:39:645 - 这里加个finish
00:43:299 - ↑
00:51:183 - 我觉得这里节奏有点怪，
00:54:068 (2) - 我不知道Easy也能不能放1/2节拍，如果可以的话，这个建议stack，不可以的话跟00:51:376 - 就好了

Normal

00:44:453 (3,4) - 建议做成滑条回打
00:46:760 (1) - kiai部分我觉得都节奏和人声都跟打的舒服点，比如 00:48:491 - 这里你就跟节奏不跟人声，感觉好怪，你试试摆成这样的节奏，排列你再调整 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5347773
00:51:183 - 这里是红线分音，00:52:914 - 这里才变回白线，所以个范围内的点击都放红线，00:54:260 - 这里节奏就放对了！
01:05:030 - 补上1个
01:10:799 (6) - 建议删了圈圈，01:10:991 (7) - 这个做成回打
01:14:068 - 这里插个5%的音量

Kami's Hard

00:06:087 - 不要这么放，打起来很别扭，要么尾巴放红线
00:19:645 - 建议这里跟人声放红线，00:20:414 - 然后这里补上个圈
00:25:799 - ↑
00:52:914 (1,1,1) - 我喜欢这里这样放，滑条快慢参次不齐，而且打得不带感

Insane

00:36:376 (2) - 建议跟人声，前面都是跟人声这里突然不跟好怪
00:45:799 (4) - 弧度不整齐，不好看
00:49:068 (4) - 不要贴前面的滑条边，而且要包住中间
00:57:337 (1,4) - 不好看，建议骨架拉成差不多

GL~

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-06-09T09:43:32+00:00

Frenkie09 wrote:
Easy
00:39:645 - 这里加个finish 好的
00:43:299 - ↑ 好
00:51:183 - 我觉得这里节奏有点怪，是挺怪的但是我要是红线放滑条的话打起来更难受了
00:54:068 (2) - 我不知道Easy也能不能放1/2节拍，如果可以的话，这个建议stack，不可以的话跟00:51:376 - 就好了好的删掉了
Normal
00:44:453 (3,4) - 建议做成滑条回打好的
00:46:760 (1) - kiai部分我觉得都节奏和人声都跟打的舒服点，比如 00:48:491 - 这里你就跟节奏不跟人声，感觉好怪，你试试摆成这样的节奏，排列你再调整 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5347773 可以那就塞爆
00:51:183 - 这里是红线分音，00:52:914 - 这里才变回白线，所以个范围内的点击都放红线，00:54:260 - 这里节奏就放对了！好的
01:05:030 - 补上1个好
01:10:799 (6) - 建议删了圈圈，01:10:991 (7) - 这个做成回打先不改感觉这里还行
01:14:068 - 这里插个5%的音量这里有音啊感觉没什么必要静音

Insane
00:36:376 (2) - 建议跟人声，前面都是跟人声这里突然不跟好怪其实前面都是跟的鼓人声就是顺带跟这里这么明显锣声我感觉不能不跟而人声还和他冲突了所以我比较倾向于这里放弃人声
00:45:799 (4) - 弧度不整齐，不好看好改了
00:49:068 (4) - 不要贴前面的滑条边，而且要包住中间好
00:57:337 (1,4) - 不好看，建议骨架拉成差不多好
GL~

Fren神带我飞

_MiaoFUuU_

314 posts

Joined April 2014

_MiaoFUuU_ 2016-06-09T11:08:52+00:00

Hanazawa Kana wrote:
Frenkie09 wrote:
Easy
00:39:645 - 这里加个finish 好的
00:43:299 - ↑ 好
00:51:183 - 我觉得这里节奏有点怪，是挺怪的但是我要是红线放滑条的话打起来更难受了
00:54:068 (2) - 我不知道Easy也能不能放1/2节拍，如果可以的话，这个建议stack，不可以的话跟00:51:376 - 就好了好的删掉了
Normal
00:44:453 (3,4) - 建议做成滑条回打好的
00:46:760 (1) - kiai部分我觉得都节奏和人声都跟打的舒服点，比如 00:48:491 - 这里你就跟节奏不跟人声，感觉好怪，你试试摆成这样的节奏，排列你再调整 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5347773 可以那就塞爆
00:51:183 - 这里是红线分音，00:52:914 - 这里才变回白线，所以个范围内的点击都放红线，00:54:260 - 这里节奏就放对了！好的
01:05:030 - 补上1个好
01:10:799 (6) - 建议删了圈圈，01:10:991 (7) - 这个做成回打先不改感觉这里还行
01:14:068 - 这里插个5%的音量这里有音啊感觉没什么必要静音

Insane
00:36:376 (2) - 建议跟人声，前面都是跟人声这里突然不跟好怪其实前面都是跟的鼓人声就是顺带跟这里这么明显锣声我感觉不能不跟而人声还和他冲突了所以我比较倾向于这里放弃人声
00:45:799 (4) - 弧度不整齐，不好看好改了
00:49:068 (4) - 不要贴前面的滑条边，而且要包住中间好
00:57:337 (1,4) - 不好看，建议骨架拉成差不多好
GL~
Fren神带我飞
我都还没飞起www，不过合作或者gd还是可以的

Kobayakawa Sae

131 posts

Joined December 2013

Kobayakawa Sae 2016-06-12T15:22:37+00:00

回(shui)摸
[Easy]
00:06:376 - 这里有个重音加上一个note会不会好一点?
01:00:222 (2,4) - 个人认为easy还是不要重叠比较好

[Normal]
00:28:299 (1) - 是这样的，我个人认为这个改成1/2滑条接圈节奏可能会好玩一点

[Kami's Hard]
00:09:453 (5) - 个人认为这个滑条ctrl+g一下打起来会顺手一点
01:06:953 (2) - 我感觉这个地方可以改成这样比较方便读图

以免当成1/2滑条接两个单点来打了

[Insane]
01:14:260 - 是这样的，我认为这个地方加上个三连，节奏上会连贯一点

~~水完跑~~

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-06-13T04:49:14+00:00

[Charlie Lam] wrote:
回(shui)摸
[Easy]
00:06:376 - 这里有个重音加上一个note会不会好一点? 好像确实是有不过这里前后节奏间距不一样放note可能不好打先放置
01:00:222 (2,4) - 个人认为easy还是不要重叠比较好先放置吧好像有点难改我等等看bn的意见

[Normal]
00:28:299 (1) - 是这样的，我个人认为这个改成1/2滑条接圈节奏可能会好玩一点折返滑条接1/2可能会有点难.

[Insane]
01:14:260 - 是这样的，我认为这个地方加上个三连，节奏上会连贯一点就不加了吧这边声音很小再加上后面是转盘感觉还是不要这么紧凑

~~水完跑~~

谢摸~~

Kyle Y

1,210 posts

Joined November 2013

Kyle Y 2016-06-13T12:30:49+00:00

Insane
00:02:722 (5) - this is ending vocal, I think it is better to have a jump here, instead of same ds with 00:02:145 (3,4) -
00:03:876 - you map for loud vocal before, it is better to del this circle.
00:09:453 (6,7) - here do not have strong sound for circle (7), it gets a weird feel to have large ds here. I suggested you can lower the ds from 6 to 7, and making a jumping for 7 -> 1. it can emphasise sound at 00:09:837 - . Just like what you did at 00:15:607 (7,8,1) - (same modding applied for 00:12:530 (6,7,1) - )
00:17:530 (1,2,3) - it is quite misleading that visual spacing like 1/2 snapped, but actually it is 3/4 slider.... (same modding applied for 00:35:991 (1,2,3) - , 00:51:183 (1,2,3) - , 00:54:260 (1,2,3) - ). Playable not equal to good to use.
00:19:068 (1,2) - circle (2) is a little weird to place like this. I think it is better to keep the same like 00:22:145 (1,2) -
00:33:299 (3,4) - here suitable to have a jumping....
01:06:953 - this is a sound drum sound, I think better to have clickable object here.
01:09:837 (3,4) - I suggested to use this, as it suits flowing more, and making jump seems more suitable. As it is an Insane diff, I think you can change ds when it make sense.

SPOILER

Hard
00:04:260 - why there is a SV change here? it is quite un-predictable to have it. (same modding applied for 01:11:953 - )
00:17:530 (1,2,3) - same as Insane diff. it is quite misleading that visual spacing like 1/2 snapped, but actually it is 3/4 slider.... Of course you can make extented slider in Hard, but please make it like 3/4 snapped. (same modding applied for 00:51:183 (1,2,3) - , 00:54:260 (2,3,4) - )
00:25:607 (3) - 00:26:376 (6) - it is not well stacking 00:24:837 (4) -
00:25:607 (3,1) - it is a kind of poor overlapping, just affect the looking for the map. suggestion:

SPOILER

00:27:722 (4,1) - this overlapping also, not that good to read. I suggest you can change 00:28:299 (1) - to two circle, or draw it without overlapping
00:28:876 - and 00:29:260 - is vocal sound, I think it is better to have clickable object.
00:29:837 - there is a strong beat sound here, therefore suggested to use clickable object, and add finish sound here.
suggested rhythm here:

00:35:991 - why SV change? I think it should be prevent to have sudden change for SV in Hard diff, it is quite un-predictable (same modding applied for 00:52:914 (1) - , 00:53:683 (1) - 01:06:568 (1,4) - )

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-06-13T14:38:48+00:00

Kyle Y wrote:

Insane
00:17:530 (1,2,3) - it is quite misleading that visual spacing like 1/2 snapped, but actually it is 3/4 slider.... (same modding applied for 00:35:991 (1,2,3) - , 00:51:183 (1,2,3) - , 00:54:260 (1,2,3) - ). Playable not equal to good to use. I want to emphasis the rhythm here so I think a big ds is ok ~~hard to fix it so keep it for now _(:з」∠)_~~
01:06:953 - this is a sound drum sound, I think better to have clickable object here. It's true,but a 3/4slider and three single note maybe hard to play,so keep

No reply=fixed
thank you ky san~~
quite helpful

kamisamaaa

605 posts

Joined July 2011

kamisamaaa 2016-06-14T11:22:57+00:00

桃心的基本都改了别的零零散散改了一些梗变速暂时不想变因为觉得还挺好玩的

垃圾舔屎看这里

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Doyak

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Doyak 2016-06-30T04:21:08+00:00

~~Placeholder, I'll mod this today or tomorrow.~~ editing this post instead of posting new one for 2 kudosu!

[General]
* Kami's Hard doesn't have custom note color.

[Easy]
Notes are fine, but I think this diff needs some improvement on hitsounding. If you don't like custom hitsounds, you can try default drum samplesets to represent specific drum sounds better too.
* 00:03:299 - 01:10:991 - Add whistle, it's the only sound you didn't put a whistle, and I don't feel any difference than others.
* 00:39:068 - Add finish, there's a cymbal sound.
* 00:40:222 - Add something like clap here too. It's too empty when there's a lot of drums on the background.
* 00:41:376 - 00:41:953 - Add finish here too, it's super weird when you have finishes on 00:40:607 - 00:40:991 - but not on these.
* 00:43:299 - Remove finish from here. It's better to emphasize 00:43:683 - this when you don't have a same emphasis on the beat before.
* 00:54:260 - 00:55:030 - Add finishes. There are cymbal sounds, and the vocals are pretty much worth to be emphasized. Also consider adding something like claps on 00:54:645 - 00:55:414 - as well.
* 01:03:683 - 01:04:260 - Same, cymbals.
* 01:05:991 - 01:06:568 - 01:07:337 - They all need finishes too.

[Normal]
* There are too many 1/2s, and this made too large gap between Easy. You need to simply the rhythm more, and disconnect long 1/2 trains to compensate the gap. I'll give you some example to nerf them, but it's up to you how you'll actually reduce the overall number of beats.
In case you'll think "They're mostly sliders, it's not harder than clicking 1/1 circles", I'll say these target players actually care about every slider tails too, and gives no time to prepare for the next pattern.
* Also needs some more work on hitsounding.
* 00:02:145 - Add whistle
* 00:02:530 - Remove whistle if you don't like spamming.
* 00:06:376 - Add soft clap
* 00:08:107 (4) - 00:11:183 (4) - Remove these notes. The target players needs some rest.
* 00:10:414 (2) - This overlaps with the HP bar, try to pull it down a bit
* 00:14:068 (4) - Use one circle on the head.
* 00:17:337 (4,5) - Rather than this, I'll suggesst this for better emphasize on the finishes: http://puu.sh/pMFxg/c4ae22dcd4.jpg
* 00:20:799 (4,5,6,7) - http://puu.sh/pMFCk/dbf9f16c27.jpg
* 00:26:568 - Seems you don't want to miss this vocal, but for the sake of proper difficulty of this map, you can ignore this.
* 00:28:876 (2) - This completely overlaps with the HP bar.
* 00:30:607 (5,6) - These lacks hitsounds, considering how strong the drums are on these notes. For all difficulties, this kind of parts are where I want you to use some drum samplesets.
* 00:41:953 - Finish
* from 00:43:683 - to 00:52:914 - I made an example beat. Just take a look and reduce it by yourself. http://puu.sh/pMGKz/bcd6d84df4.jpg http://puu.sh/pMGLW/c7483f932c.jpg Same for the later kiai.
* 00:53:683 - It's weird not to have a finish while 00:52:914 - these all have finishes.
* 00:55:414 - Same, while 00:54:260 - 00:54:645 - 00:55:030 - these all have. An alternative way is to remove it from 00:54:645 - , as it doesn't have a cymbal sound.
* 01:05:991 - 01:06:568 - 01:07:337 - finish
* 01:08:299 - This part, same as the first part

[Kami's Hard]
Hi Kami, been a long while.
* I'm not fond of those sudden SV changes and amount of jumps, as they're just like an Insane. There's no stone bridge between the Normal diff and this diff. Especially, Insane diff doesn't do those sudden SV changes, so I'd suggest to remove them.
* 00:05:799 (4,1,2,3) - I'm against this pattern. The spacing between 4 and 1 is just same as the 1/2s before, and it's hard to tell that this is a 3/4 slider becuase the SV is too slow. Also this would be played more like an even-number stream because the player have to hold the slider with the primary finger, and start the stream with the secondary finger (in case of a singletap player). If you don't get what I mean, think why https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5514806 this kind of use is generalized.
* 00:35:991 (1) - Yeah what I mean is, please don't do this on a regular Hard diff.
* 00:52:914 (1,1) - No, I'm using a bold text here. There's no reason to put these hard-to-read sliders.
* 01:06:568 (1,2,3,4) - I don't understand why these need 0.50x slowdown. It makes the jumps even weirder too.
* 01:07:914 - There's no sound here, reduce the volume please.
* 01:09:453 (4,6) - This is too far, consider how 01:09:068 (3,4) - this was a 1/1.
* 01:14:260 (6) - Use a 1/4 reverse slider?

[Insane]
* 00:01:953 (2,3,4,5) - No claps on any of these?
* 00:05:030 (4) - 01:12:722 (4) - NCing these makes more sense imo.
* 00:16:568 (2,3) - Kinda weird to have this small distance suddenly, when all these before were 1/2 jumpy.
* 00:39:068 - finish
* 00:41:376 (3,4) - Feels almost like a 1/4 because of some 1/4s like 00:35:991 (1,2,3) - , so use some bigger spacing.
* 00:41:953 - finish
* 00:29:837 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - Try to represent the drums better with the hitsounds too.
* 00:33:491 (4) - Change to a 1/2 slider, because it feels too sudden to have an empty spot while the whole map is full of 1/2s.
* 00:48:107 (7,1) - Swap NC, like 00:45:030 (1,2) - 00:46:568 (1,2) -
* 00:55:799 (1) - The slider tail feels too weird. As like you put the finish there, it is a good beat to emphasize, but your notes don't. Just split them into 2 circles.
* 01:06:953 - Add some hitsound here to represent the drum please.
* 01:14:260 - Put a triplet here? It feels too empty to ignore these 1/4s. At least put a note on 01:14:453 - , as a spinner start cannot emphasize anything.

Overall it's not bad. But I really think the Normal should be nerfed a lot and all the diffs still have to be improved with the hitsounds. Fix the Normal, get some more mods especially regarding the hitsounds, then you can call me back if you think the issues are solved.

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-02T03:59:15+00:00

Doyak wrote:
[Easy]
Notes are fine, but I think this diff needs some improvement on hitsounding. If you don't like custom hitsounds, you can try default drum samplesets to represent specific drum sounds better too.
* 00:40:222 - Add something like clap here too. It's too empty when there's a lot of drums on the background. ok,i'll use a normal sampleset here
* Also consider adding something like claps on 00:54:645 - 00:55:414 - as well.∧

[Normal]
* There are too many 1/2s, and this made too large gap between Easy. You need to simply the rhythm more, and disconnect long 1/2 trains to compensate the gap. I'll give you some example to nerf them, but it's up to you how you'll actually reduce the overall number of beats. ok,it's truly hard for normal to have too much 1/2s,i'll try to fix them
In case you'll think "They're mostly sliders, it's not harder than clicking 1/1 circles", I'll say these target players actually care about every slider tails too, and gives no time to prepare for the next pattern.
* Also needs some more work on hitsounding.
* 00:17:337 (4,5) - Rather than this, I'll suggesst this for better emphasize on the finishes: http://puu.sh/pMFxg/c4ae22dcd4.jpg feel a little empty at 00:17:337 - ,but fixed
* 00:30:607 (5,6) - These lacks hitsounds, considering how strong the drums are on these notes. For all difficulties, this kind of parts are where I want you to use some drum samplesets.k,gonna have a check of it.
* 00:55:414 - Same, while 00:54:260 - 00:54:645 - 00:55:030 - these all have. An alternative way is to remove it from 00:54:645 - , as it doesn't have a cymbal sound. added a finish on it

[Insane]
* 00:01:953 (2,3,4,5) - No claps on any of these?uh,i think that may be too noisy for the beginning,so i just using whistles
* 01:14:260 - Put a triplet here? It feels too empty to ignore these 1/4s. At least put a note on 01:14:453 - , as a spinner start cannot emphasize anything. placed a note here 01:14:453 -

Overall it's not bad. But I really think the Normal should be nerfed a lot and all the diffs still have to be improved with the hitsounds. Fix the Normal, get some more mods especially regarding the hitsounds, then you can call me back if you think the issues are solved.

No reply or green=fixed
blue=another solution
purple=some comment
yellow=don't want to change

Thank you doyak~
I'll find some more mods these days.

kamisamaaa

605 posts

Joined July 2011

kamisamaaa 2016-07-02T05:20:19+00:00

Doyak wrote:
~~Placeholder, I'll mod this today or tomorrow.~~ editing this post instead of posting new one for 2 kudosu!

[General]
* Kami's Hard doesn't have custom note color. fixed
[Kami's Hard]
Hi Kami, been a long while.
* I'm not fond of those sudden SV changes and amount of jumps, as they're just like an Insane. There's no stone bridge between the Normal diff and this diff. Especially, Insane diff doesn't do those sudden SV changes, so I'd suggest to remove them.
* 00:05:799 (4,1,2,3) - I'm against this pattern. The spacing between 4 and 1 is just same as the 1/2s before, and it's hard to tell that this is a 3/4 slider becuase the SV is too slow. Also this would be played more like an even-number stream because the player have to hold the slider with the primary finger, and start the stream with the secondary finger (in case of a singletap player). If you don't get what I mean, think why https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5514806 this kind of use is generalized. okay fixed
* 00:35:991 (1) - Yeah what I mean is, please don't do this on a regular Hard diff. if you try to remove this you will feel really strange about this slider. I use 0.5x slider because the voice is suddenly stopped.I want to expressthis and I think its nice here.
* 00:52:914 (1,1) - No, I'm using a bold text here. There's no reason to put these hard-to-read sliders. same reason
* 01:06:568 (1,2,3,4) - I don't understand why these need 0.50x slowdown. It makes the jumps even weirder too. because the music is become soft! and I feel some slow sliders is better than fast sliders here
* 01:07:914 - There's no sound here, reduce the volume please. sure~fixed
* 01:09:453 (4,6) - This is too far, consider how 01:09:068 (3,4) - this was a 1/1. here is a slider jump. its really easy to finish
* 01:14:260 (6) - Use a 1/4 reverse slider? okay

Overall it's not bad. But I really think the Normal should be nerfed a lot and all the diffs still have to be improved with the hitsounds. Fix the Normal, get some more mods especially regarding the hitsounds, then you can call me back if you think the issues are solved.

哈哈哈我变速还是不想改233

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Doyak

osu! Alumni

2,621 posts

Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-07-02T05:30:26+00:00

@kami: I know what you want to represent here, but what I mean is that it simply is too confusing for the target players. They're not yet prepared to read such sudden changes, especially that consecutive one. It might seem a bit weird not to use it, but it's just basically the same reason why we don't use jumps on Easy even when a sound is extremely stronger than others. I think just using regular speed of 3/4 sliders and using consistent sv is still fine representing the music.

Flower

1,723 posts

Joined August 2011

Flower 2016-07-14T06:19:39+00:00

ok lets see what now

[hitsounds]
看你大部分地方好像也没用soft whistle，试试看这个吧，跟音乐下就行了 http://puu.sh/q17AX/5b6b2c3cce.wav

[Insane]
00:05:030 (1) - 这里用一个比较活泼的形状？e.g.

SPOILER

00:09:837 (1) - 请好好地重新拉一下：贝塞尔曲线的算法使得若只取曲线的一部分，会导致其不对称。长懒看：请把最后一个锚点对准滑条的尾巴，以改善形状。还有其他一堆类似的就不说了
00:15:222 (5) - 稍微放远一点，如299:243

[Hard]
00:08:491 (2) - 好像没叠好
00:14:837 (2,3,4) - blanket，同时调整00:14:453 (1) -
00:17:530 (1,2,3) - 这个1/4跳比较突然，建议还是不要跳。后同
00:19:453 (4,5) - blanket
00:35:991 (1) - 这个变速明显无理啊，bn都说了，我就不说为啥了，包括00:52:914 (1,1,1) -
00:40:607 (1,2) - 包好，接下来还有的就自己看了不说了

次难度没发现什么音效不好，估计应该可以了吧，加油

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-14T08:39:55+00:00

感谢花花我的部分都改了

Koiyuki

Beatmap Nominator

2,539 posts

Joined March 2013

Koiyuki 2016-07-17T16:36:11+00:00

Just some complaints.
My personal suggestions.
Highly recommended.
Unrankable, you have to fix it.

Easy

00:24:837 (4,1,2) - 其实可以形成一个正三角形，然后让00:26:760 (3) - blanket 00:24:837 (4) -
00:41:376 (2,3) - 尽量避免easy出现1/2交接吧：

Normal

00:05:799 (6) - 00:18:299 (6) - 00:26:760 (4) - 差点出去，往上移点
00:25:222 (1) - 没必要finish

xiaohuanggua's Hard

od-0.5
00:24:837 (4,3) - stack
00:35:991 (1) - [b]看不懂这个减速的必要性……我觉得反而会confuse gameplay，正常摆一个不行吗
00:52:914 (1,1) - [b]同上，不太建议hard里面玩这种差不多滑条长度的变速梗
00:55:607 (6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - [b]这有点难了吧？感觉和Normal的gap一下子拉大不少

另外就是finish放得太多了，太吵，我摸得时候都要耳鸣了

Insane

hp+0.5 or 1；od没必要8吧？
看来小黄瓜的音效是从你这里复制的？finish太几把吵了。音效建议参考人格的同一张rank图。

hard稍微降低点难度，到3.3~3.4左右比较好，insane的话就不用了

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-18T01:22:01+00:00

Minakami Yuki wrote:
Just some complaints.
My personal suggestions.
Highly recommended.
Unrankable, you have to fix it.

Easy
00:24:837 (4,1,2) - 其实可以形成一个正三角形，然后让00:26:760 (3) - blanket 00:24:837 (4) -
00:41:376 (2,3) - 尽量避免easy出现1/2交接吧：
Normal
00:05:799 (6) - 00:18:299 (6) - 00:26:760 (4) - 差点出去，往上移点
00:25:222 (1) - 没必要finish
Insane
hp+0.5 or 1；od没必要8吧？ od改到7.5了主要是感觉od太低的话就完全没pp了 _(:з」∠)_
看来小黄瓜的音效是从你这里复制的？finish太几把吵了。音效建议参考人格的同一张rank图。
hard稍微降低点难度，到3.3~3.4左右比较好，insane的话就不用了

可都改了
音效的话我把insane的kiai部分都换成大白线finish了(

Misure

952 posts

Joined September 2012

Misure 2016-07-18T17:06:22+00:00

卡娜高德

kamisamaaa

605 posts

Joined July 2011

kamisamaaa 2016-07-18T17:29:16+00:00

@老M 除了finish都改了 finish我觉得听起来比较爽啊！

舔屎这里是代码

osu file format v14

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PreviewTime: 43683
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SampleSet: Soft
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[Metadata]
Title:Nanka Ii Koto
TitleUnicode:なんかいいこと
Artist:Hatsuki Yura
ArtistUnicode:葉月ゆら
Creator:Hanazawa Kana
Version:Kami's Hard
Source:Ganbare! Memeko-chan
Tags:La Pucelle がんばれ！メメ子ちゃん opening Seifumeigetsu 清風明月 kamisamaaa
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Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-18T23:40:23+00:00

updated

Misure wrote:
卡娜高德

米苏高德什么时候带我飞

Koiyuki

Beatmap Nominator

2,539 posts

Joined March 2013

Koiyuki 2016-07-24T13:27:44+00:00

黄瓜's hard：
既然变速去掉了的话那么nc呢？nc也一起去了吧，如果你非要下nc梗不如下在00:54:260 (2,3,4) -

kamisamaaa

605 posts

Joined July 2011

kamisamaaa 2016-07-24T14:07:15+00:00

Minakami Yuki wrote:
黄瓜's hard：
既然变速去掉了的话那么nc呢？nc也一起去了吧，如果你非要下nc梗不如下在00:54:260 (2,3,4) -

我只是单纯的忘了去掉NC 233
改了改了多余的绿线也去掉了！

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Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-24T14:12:50+00:00

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Koiyuki

Beatmap Nominator

2,539 posts

Joined March 2013

Koiyuki 2016-07-25T02:01:00+00:00

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Doyak

osu! Alumni

2,621 posts

Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-07-25T08:47:21+00:00

[Normal]
* 00:17:914 - Normal sampleset
* 00:20:030 (3,4) - Flow could be improved. I'd use 00:20:030 (3) - with Ctrl+J.
* 00:25:222 - 00:31:376 - Finish
* 00:55:991 (1,2) - This too. I wouldn't really suggest that goes exactly backward after transition on a Normal diff. Something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5686766 will be a better choice.

[Kami's Hard]
* 00:40:222 (5,6,7,1) - Why is it a triplet + note? The drums are definitely in a note + triplet.

[Insane]
* 00:41:953 - Finish
* 00:52:722 - This Normal sampleset feels pretty random, why not just use auto?
* 01:01:376 - Clap like 00:49:068 -
* 01:14:453 - Whistle because it's the most important melody.
* I'm sorry telling this too late. But we have some overmapped objects that hurts the emphasis of the actual sounds. So the ones in problem are 00:17:433 (7) - 00:29:741 (7) - 00:37:433 (7) - 00:43:203 (7) - 00:55:510 (5) - 01:04:741 (6) -
So here's what Natsu (an experienced BN) suggested:

I still think the hitsounds are a bit inconsistent and can be improved. Please check these thoroughly by yourself before calling me back.

kamisamaaa

605 posts

Joined July 2011

kamisamaaa 2016-07-25T13:53:19+00:00

Doyak wrote:
[Kami's Hard]
* 00:40:222 (5,6,7,1) - Why is it a triplet + note? The drums are definitely in a note + triplet. okay fix

code

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Title:Nanka Ii Koto
TitleUnicode:なんかいいこと
Artist:Hatsuki Yura
ArtistUnicode:葉月ゆら
Creator:Hanazawa Kana
Version:Kami's Hard
Source:Ganbare! Memeko-chan
Tags:La Pucelle がんばれ！メメ子ちゃん opening Seifumeigetsu 清風明月 kamisamaaa
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Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-25T14:07:21+00:00

@Doyak
All fixed
For hitsound,this time i try to use claps on every 2nd and 4th white line and use normal sampleset on drums which are not at 2,4 white line.
Also i add some whistles on kiai part to make it sounds more lively.

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-25T23:03:33+00:00

hype pp map

Euny

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Joined January 2014

Euny 2016-07-26T17:59:24+00:00

came from fairy's req❤

dont need kudo for this

current your soft-hitclap sound hard to listen with music when play. how about change? if you agree with me, try to using this one >> http://puu.sh/qffBf/ace5b42e12.wav / i'll send to you something present in forum pm check it

kamisamaaa

605 posts

Joined July 2011

kamisamaaa 2016-07-26T18:21:46+00:00

特么的我看了看你的insane 你除了kiai都没用soft-whistle啊！！难怪人家说你音效不行OTZ
我之前不是教你了么人声的高音你就用whistle啊从头到尾！=都要加！

Hanazawa Kana

727 posts

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-27T01:43:38+00:00

@Euny Thank you~~ I'll have a try of it.
@kamisamaaa 好好好等下我去改

sahuang

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Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-07-27T05:17:45+00:00

kamisamaaa wrote:
特么的我看了看你的insane 你除了kiai都没用soft-whistle啊！！难怪人家说你音效不行OTZ
我之前不是教你了么人声的高音你就用whistle啊从头到尾！=都要加！

直接无脑f c w c多好www
顺便这图有ranked ver，为什么不能直接炒一下

Shiranai

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Joined August 2012

Shiranai 2016-07-27T05:23:23+00:00

Glad we have another hatsuki yura's map, yet this one is the third version of the song :p

Doyak

osu! Alumni

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Joined November 2012

Doyak 2016-07-27T06:04:44+00:00

I have no more problems with the set, but as we changed the hitsound file and changed Easy/Normal's hitsound entirely, let me get a double confirmation from another BN (probably Minakami Yuki) again. (I can't qualify anymore today anyway)

Koiyuki

Beatmap Nominator

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Koiyuki 2016-07-27T08:08:47+00:00

hao*2

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-27T08:12:15+00:00

感谢M酱~~

Euny

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Euny 2016-07-27T08:17:20+00:00

gratz c:♥

Shiranai

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Shiranai 2016-07-27T08:41:42+00:00

Congrats❤️

sahuang

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sahuang 2016-07-27T08:50:47+00:00

pppppppppp
gratzzzzzzzz

Karen

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Karen 2016-07-27T09:18:25+00:00

ke

_MiaoFUuU_

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_MiaoFUuU_ 2016-07-27T10:40:32+00:00

哈哈，飞了～gratz！

Lobelia

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Lobelia 2016-07-27T12:18:36+00:00

哇，恭喜你飞第一张图~~~

-NanoRIPE-

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-NanoRIPE- 2016-07-27T14:08:03+00:00

GRATSSS!!!

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-27T22:51:27+00:00

wawawawawa thank you guys~~

Misure

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Misure 2016-07-28T02:03:43+00:00

听说飞了
很强

GIDZ

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GIDZ 2016-07-28T03:25:21+00:00

Told you this was close to being ranked

(Even though I forgot to mod it /me runs)

Underforest

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Underforest 2016-07-28T05:17:45+00:00

oh this song

Gaia

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Gaia 2016-07-28T16:45:47+00:00

ahhh was gunna mod this but was overseas ;-;

恭喜!

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-28T22:36:23+00:00

There are few things that could be improved and some details were missed.

[General]

Don't rely on metadata from older beatmaps or check the proof in cases someone provides you one. The reference listed is website of her album, which is correct when it comes to title. However, you must use prefered romanization if the artist has one, in this case, she's using Yura Hatsuki, it's even on the same website. You might argue that the link actually shows the previous order, but that's not an official reference. Domain name means nothing to us, as it could've been picked by someone else or her preferred domain could had been taken before she bought it, you might even notice that it says "hatuki", so it's not really a reference for romanization, please use what's on her website.
Hitsounds bother me here a lot. While the arrangement of claps seems to be good, I quite don't get the custom hitsound you're using. The song is having some pop-rock type of snare, but you're using typical snare for electronical music, which doesn't sound that good here, you could find a better replacement for it. If you decide to change this, you can PM me for some recommendation.
As I said, claps are fine, whistles seem to be fine too, but the cymbals are really out of place. The usage in some places is following music properly - when there's a cymbal in the music, you use a finish. That's fine, but some places use it to emphasize vocals, which makes it sound really loud and it feels unnatural for listener, somehow the player knows the cymbal is not going to be here. I'd like you to go through all difficulties and check all the finishes, especially during the kiai. The best example is Kami's Hard (and the biggest concern is his difficulty regarding this, but be sure to check it on all diffs) from 00:43:683 - to 00:55:991 - , there are 6 cymbals (in the end of this part, one looks echoed, so let's assume there are 7) but hitsounds have 20 finishes of cymbal type. What's however interesting is that through 00:52:914 - 00:55:991 - you follow the cymbals quite well, apart from 00:53:683 - 00:54:645 - 00:55:414 - but they don't sound that terrible. The thing is that emphasizing vocals as you did can be simply done using whistle - for example 01:03:876 (2,3) - sounds absolutely great with whistles only, because it somehow emphasizes the vocals by the whistle, but highlights the cymbal much better. Less can sometimes be more and having contrast between cymbal-following finishes and vocal-following whistles is musically more intelligent and as a listener, much more pleasant to hear. If you want, I can point out every single place with present issue, but I guess going through it once by yourself is enough.
Another thing about how the map sounds and last, but things like 00:54:549 - should not be audible if you decide to do such thing. The ends end on nothing, so hearing any feedback here is annoying and doesn't make much sense. This applies to Kami's hard again. The way Insane used this is fine.

[Normal]

When discussing this map, there was a concern from other BN about overlapping objects. It's not a big thing, but I agreed that it looks unpolished when some parts overlap objects, some parts have visible gaps, not sure if it was your intention.
00:20:030 (3,4) - This might look a bit confusing to a Normal player. We know that newbies often miss a repeat with the slider start. That's because the repeat is simply closer to the previous object and generally, they like playing what's closer first. I'd really recommend a different angle of this slider, it can be solved for example this way, it's better to avoid potential confusion on lewer diffs.
Screenshot
00:51:183 (4,5,6,7) - and 00:54:260 (3,4,5) - Judging from personal knowledge (what I remember was struggle for me when I was beginner and what my friends mostly complained about when I introduced them to the game) and replays of new players on this map, I must say these are the places where the newbies really get off the track. They usually start to spam 50s or 100s here, which is understandable because the transition from the white ticks to the red ticks is making a tricky rhythm. The players get the most of the rhythmical feedback from drums, so playing vocals while hearing the drums between them is what makes them confused. However, that's different for sliders, because they're easier to hit and don't require so gimmicky clicking as circles in such a pattern. I highly recommend you to replace these patterns with some sliders, eventually with a repeat, so the rhythm is easily understandable for the newbies. I could even say that the way Hard is mapped would feel less tricky for newbies that how the Normal is currently mapped.

[Easy]

I really like this difficulty, quite a lot, but there's one thing that doesn't seem to fit. 00:42:337 (3) - Is the only 1/2 slider in the whole map and the problem is that it's probably too short, which might for sure surprise the player a lot, because it's unusually rhythm and pattern and in comparison with the rest of the map, it's not corresponding the difficulty of other patterns.

Last edited by Wafu 2016-07-29T11:20:25+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-29T03:33:27+00:00

www

sorry

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Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-29T12:34:06+00:00

Updated the post as I said before the edit. Anyway, I don't like doing this but I want to respond to your response, because I think this communication doesn't work.

Hanazawa Kana wrote:
If you have searched it and you can see that every ranked song of this artist use "Hatsuki Yura" rather than "Yura Hatsuki" such as the Eclipse Parade ranked last month,so i think there's no need to change it any more.btw,i've asked it to kwan and she said she will have a check of it.

I could even quotate myself "Don't rely on metadata from older beatmaps or check the proof in cases someone provides you one." This is very important, we are discouraged to use metadata from older maps, no matter how old they are. Someone not checking things properly recently doesn't necessarily mean that the metadata can be used in newer maps once someone proves it. I provided you probably the most reliable information you can get - what's more official than the singer's official website? I don't quite get why do you need KwaN here - of course, if you want to be sure about it, then go ahead, but what I said is exactly that you basically never copy metadata from older maps, if their usage is not corresponding to official source, then others still have to follow official data. I guess that album is not easy to get today, therefore unless you find scan of La Pucelle album, you must use Yura Hatsuki instead.

Hanazawa Kana wrote:
You can hear the claps sounds clearly and that shows the rhythm of the music,i think this is enough.From my point of view,i think currently using clap is good.

Well, you probably didn't get the point, if you use any pop-rock drum and replace the clap, it sounds much cooler, you might at least have tried that. I agree it's personal preference, but before trying anything, assuming that it's enough is a bit lazy. I could live with that however.

Hanazawa Kana wrote:
That doestn't matters a lot cause players don't click the end of a slider and will not affect the feeling of play.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the fact that it gives annoying feedback even though the song provides nothing. Why'd then insane have these muted and hard would keep that? I really feel like this is attacking your own opinion, because what you do proves what you prefer. There had to be reason for doing it on insane, because it sounded weird probably, so suddenly saying that it doesn't matter because players don't click it is not in accordination with what you did. It's not even about affecting the gameplay, but the overall feeling when playing. Hearing something annoying already makes the feeling worse.

Hanazawa Kana wrote:
I use finish in every big white lines in kiai part and also use it to emphasis some important sound.you can hear there have the same sound in these places.00:52:914 - 00:55:991 - 00:53:683 - 00:54:645 - 00:55:414 -why not using the same hitsound? by the way,I use claps in every 2nd and 4th white lines and whistles in mostly red lines in kiai part to keep a rhythm and lively feeling.Besides kiai part,i use whistles to emphasis the highest tune of voice.

That's not a new thing. I am capable of checking how the things are placed and what they follow. The thing you're doing here is explaining me what do you follow, which is not issue, I explained you why this way of following is an issue and you simply come up with explaining me the way you made the issue, not why it isn't issue. The issue with finishes is that you follow multiple sounds in the music with it, especially all with the same volume and it result in some places to be really overdone and loud. I'm talking about the diversity and following the music properly - using correct instrument to emphasize something. Places where finish (as a cymbal) is following cymbal in the music are perfect, but places where it follows voice or the organ/whatever you call that simply sound loud and unfitting because using so many cymbals wouldn't make sense in this kind of song and because it doesn't highlight the instruments properly. What I'm trying to say here that in some places (such as the pattern I mentioned in previous post 01:03:876 (2,3) - did you even try that without finishes?) you use them unnecessarily and there are ways this can sound much better. Highlighting sounds is about their diversity and about the ability of them being distinguished from others. By putting a cymbal everywhere, listener isn't even able to tell what you're trying to emphasize, if other instruments use different hitsound, for example in the pattern I mentioned that whistle would fit: 01:03:876 (2,3) - the cymbals are highlighed in much better way, because there's the contrast between one and the other instrument. Editor allows you to use 1200 custom hitsounds, limiting yourself to just cymbal for multiple instruments doesn't make sense and could sound much better and more logical. I'm not trying to say that your hitsounds are bad, but why doing it this way, if other makes more sense and sounds/highlights certain instruments better. You can still highlight vocals, the organ and the cymbals while having the contrast, just by using variety of hitsounds, as I mentioned for example 01:03:876 (2,3) - just listen to it in current statement, it's really destroying one's ears, while whistles instead of these cymbals highlight the cymbals in sound much more and it sounds more pleasant. "I use finish in every big white lines in kiai part" - I noticed that and what I'm telling you is explaining why that isn't mostly proper.

This all might sound rude to you and might sound like I want to force everything to be fixed or that I just desperately want to DQ this. I know this is your first ranked map and it's visible from your response. Many mappers who firstly qualify a map try to avoid the disqualification and I'm not surprised, people are afraid of it because of the struggle they had getting BNs and because it took some time to actually get to the point where your map can be qualified, so it's pretty natural that you might feel like that. Disqualifications are there to avoid mistakes or things that were overlooked and to increase the quality of the beatmap. I'm saying this now, because I you seem to use fallacies and make up reasons to avoid the disqualification. I'm trying to explain you how things can be better and why they are better in this way by logical statements. The clap hitsound is personal preference, I just said it could be better for some reasons, but if you're satisfied that the snare sounds a bit more punchy than what the song should probably have, that's personal preference. But I cannot really get through the fact that you want to skip things such as this usage of finishes. I agree that you should follow the sounds you followed, but it doesn't make sense to use the same hitsound for most of sounds you want to emphasize, especially when it's a cymbal, which sounds really loud and in music, it's used very rarely and for a reason - because even in music, it sounds loud and artists use it only in places of some transition. I could write you many reasons why this usage is wrong, but I'm not going to make a "how does highlighting sounds work" thread off this. Please, consider what I said as a valid thing and try it yourself, don't be afraid of disqualification, I can assure you that this is worth requalifying and you have nothing to worry about. The mindset of people having their first beatmap disqualified is really complicated and it's obvious you'll want to avoid it. I just want you to be sure that there are ways to improve things a lot and you can do it to make this beatmap almost perfect. Don't try to make up reasons/fallacies just to avoid things. You can PM me at any time and I'll be more than glad to show you how better it can be, following the same sounds as you do, I'd really like to talk to you personally, because it's better for you to understand what one wans to say and maybe we could end up in a happy conclusion. We're not here to claw or bite, we're here to help and improve maps!

Please, keep in mind that map being disqualified doesn't always mean a bad thing, especially when there's a lot of potential for improvement..

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-29T12:56:42+00:00

Thank you.
I'll have a check of it and fix the problems these days.

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-07-29T14:05:43+00:00

Just ask me if you need something.

IamKwaN

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IamKwaN 2016-07-30T05:19:12+00:00

As per your request.

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-30T07:43:11+00:00

@Wafu
All fixed but keep finish hitsound in hard diff as the requset of GDer.

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Doyak

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Doyak 2016-07-30T07:50:16+00:00

I hope kami comes here and explain why by himself.

kamisamaaa

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kamisamaaa 2016-07-30T14:18:04+00:00

IamKwaN wrote:
As per your request.

艹死骏骏！给我来当翻译啊！不是我不想回！大段论文我TM的看不懂啊！

@wafu
I use those finish at kiai part just because I want to emphasize the voice here, not follow the cymbals only. tbh, the hitsounds here is a little bit loud. but I feel its really sounds fine to me. at last I deleted the finish at 01:03:876 (2,3) - and add a normal-finish at 00:38:876 (4) - . decrease the volume to 70%

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-07-30T18:46:29+00:00

kamisamaaa wrote:
I use those finish at kiai part just because I want to emphasize the voice here, not follow the cymbals only. tbh, the hitsounds here is a little bit loud. but I feel its really sounds fine to me. at last I deleted the finish at 01:03:876 (2,3) - and add a normal-finish at 00:38:876 (4) - . decrease the volume to 70%

I already talked about this. We're all aware that you wanted to emphasize the voice, but you have a wide opportunity of using other hitsounds, be it custom or default, which would in any case sound better. Usage of the same hitsound make everything sound the same and destroy the point of emphasis. Using different sound puts some emphasis on voice for example and another type of hitsound can put emphasis on the cymbal. Different instruments being emphasized by different hitsounds provide better and more logical highlighting. Especially if we consider how strictly cymbals work.

Underforest

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Underforest 2016-07-31T12:30:37+00:00

Quick mod here for Kami's Hard

00:05:799 (4,1,2) - this pattern is too hard and overmapped, try this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5735730
00:46:376 (4,1) - avoid large jumps please
01:09:837 (5,6) - same

good luck

IamKwaN

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IamKwaN 2016-07-31T13:11:21+00:00

kamisamaaa wrote:
IamKwaN wrote:
As per your request.
艹死骏骏！给我来当翻译啊！不是我不想回！大段论文我TM的看不懂啊！

艹死黃瓜，死都不翻譯！

kamisamaaa

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kamisamaaa 2016-07-31T13:54:18+00:00

Wafu wrote:
I already talked about this. We're all aware that you wanted to emphasize the voice, but you have a wide opportunity of using other hitsounds, be it custom or default, which would in any case sound better. Usage of the same hitsound make everything sound the same and destroy the point of emphasis. Using different sound puts some emphasis on voice for example and another type of hitsound can put emphasis on the cymbal. Different instruments being emphasized by different hitsounds provide better and more logical highlighting. Especially if we consider how strictly cymbals work.

okay delete those finish and use whistle instead.

Underforest wrote:
Quick mod here for Kami's Hard

00:05:799 (4,1,2) - this pattern is too hard and overmapped, try this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5735730
00:46:376 (4,1) - avoid large jumps please
01:09:837 (5,6) - same

good luck

I think they are easy enough for a hard diff

IamKwaN wrote:
艹死黃瓜，死都不翻譯！

那就只能艹烂骏马了!

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-07-31T13:57:03+00:00

k updated

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-08-03T05:53:23+00:00

Why did you delete so many finishes? Wafu's concern was mostly about Hard diff, but you deleted necessary finishes on your diff as well...
00:41:953 - 00:43:299 - 00:43:683 - 00:49:837 - 01:02:145 - 01:05:222 - 01:05:607 - 01:05:991 - They all have actual cymbal sounds and there's no reason to not use finishes on these. Just add them and use the hitsound copier again, then fix each diff if necessary. Your hitsounds has gone inconsistent throughout the diffs again, like only on Normal 00:41:376 - has a finish sound and 00:41:953 - doesn't, which should be swapped like Easy/Insane. Make sure you change every diff when applying hitsound changes. The best way to do it is using hitsound copier.

[Easy]
* 00:40:607 (1,2,3,4) - This has created even worse problem, which is a 3/2 gap that makes polarity issue. Use http://puu.sh/qo4lx/cab3686cf8.jpg this option.

Wafu on discord wrote:
3/2 rhythms are a disaster for newbies.

[Normal]

Wafu wrote:
When discussing this map, there was a concern from other BN about overlapping objects. It's not a big thing, but I agreed that it looks unpolished when some parts overlap objects, some parts have visible gaps, not sure if it was your intention.

This hasn't fixed. It surely looks a bit unpolished. Though I don't care about that much, this can be improved. On a side note, that "other BN" is Sonnyc.

[Kami's Hard]
* I guess you need to move your hitsound sampleset to S:C2 because the hitsounds are changed. After you do this, ask Hanazawa Kana to delete soft-sliderslide.wav.
* 00:49:068 - Whistle
* 01:05:607 - 01:05:991 - They actually have cymbal sounds, so maybe you can use finishes by that logic.

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-08-03T11:03:58+00:00

Doyak wrote:
Why did you delete so many finishes? Wafu's concern was mostly about Hard diff, but you deleted necessary finishes on your diff as well...
00:41:953 - 00:43:299 - 00:43:683 - 00:49:837 - 01:02:145 - 01:05:222 - 01:05:607 - 01:05:991 - They all have actual cymbal sounds and there's no reason to not use finishes on these. Just add them and use the hitsound copier again, then fix each diff if necessary. Your hitsounds has gone inconsistent throughout the diffs again, like only on Normal 00:41:376 - has a finish sound and 00:41:953 - doesn't, which should be swapped like Easy/Insane. Make sure you change every diff when applying hitsound changes. The best way to do it is using hitsound copier._(:з」∠)_.... fixed

[Easy]
* 00:40:607 (1,2,3,4) - This has created even worse problem, which is a 3/2 gap that makes polarity issue. Use http://puu.sh/qo4lx/cab3686cf8.jpg this option.3/2 is quite hard to play,i know the feeling.fixed that but using another placement
Wafu on discord wrote:
3/2 rhythms are a disaster for newbies.
[Normal]
Wafu wrote:
When discussing this map, there was a concern from other BN about overlapping objects. It's not a big thing, but I agreed that it looks unpolished when some parts overlap objects, some parts have visible gaps, not sure if it was your intention.
This hasn't fixed. It surely looks a bit unpolished. Though I don't care about that much, this can be improved. On a side note, that "other BN" is Sonnyc._(:з」∠)_I tried to fix the overlap problem,but it seems that i was misunderstand it.did you means the overlap between the object next to each other in timeline?I changed the ds snap to 1.23,maybe that looks better

[Kami's Hard]
* I guess you need to move your hitsound sampleset to S:C2 because the hitsounds are changed. After you do this, ask Hanazawa Kana to delete soft-sliderslide.wav.He would like to use the default clap sounds and slience the sliderside so just use the custom1

thank you~

kamisamaaa

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kamisamaaa 2016-08-03T14:02:41+00:00

Doyak wrote:
[Kami's Hard]
* I guess you need to move your hitsound sampleset to S:C2 because the hitsounds are changed. After you do this, ask Hanazawa Kana to delete soft-sliderslide.wav.
* 00:49:068 - Whistle
* 01:05:607 - 01:05:991 - They actually have cymbal sounds, so maybe you can use finishes by that logic.

all fixed

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-08-03T14:13:27+00:00

up

Hakurei Yoru

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Hakurei Yoru 2016-08-04T11:30:56+00:00

too lazy to read long words
(run

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-08-04T19:04:54+00:00

add finish: 00:19:068 -
remove finish: 00:25:222 - 01:02:914 -
Just these. That's all.

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-08-04T23:11:42+00:00

@Doyak
fixed

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-08-05T07:00:35+00:00

Alright, let's try again.

Hanazawa Kana

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Hanazawa Kana 2016-08-05T07:11:08+00:00

Thank you~~

Koiyuki

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Koiyuki 2016-08-07T14:34:38+00:00

rechecked and re

Underforest

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Underforest 2016-08-07T14:35:12+00:00

gratz

_DT3

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_DT3 2016-08-07T14:59:11+00:00

Gratz, was supposed to mod this a while ago lol

wajinshu

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wajinshu 2016-08-07T15:12:17+00:00

Underforest wrote:
gratz

__Ag

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__Ag 2016-08-10T06:16:18+00:00

这不就飞了嘛

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kouzuki_karen 2016-08-10T06:45:56+00:00

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-08-10T19:12:02+00:00

-[ Dumpling ]- wrote:

1st point. p/5356054

Yumikoi

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Yumikoi 2016-08-17T01:10:43+00:00

Triggered by the wrong name order, now it doesn't even find it under the artist when sorting by artist ingame... 葉月ゆら hatsuki (preferred) yu ra - there is only one way to order that and that is family name then first name. The ingame sorting uses romanized version to order even when using japanese metadata and language - suddenly 葉月ゆら is sorted after 雪 and in the Y section?
http://i.imgur.com/c0XGUt2.png - wrong order
http://i.imgur.com/xL5Fmyr.png - correct order of ALL other Hatsuki Yura maps

And relying on japanese to romanize for you is not a good idea, they will put stuff like tinami for chinami for 千 character (because that's how you type it on jp keyboard, you use it to save you a keyboard stroke) and other horrible romanizations like that... not to mention her website says haTUki (cause thats how you type つ)
Remember that romanization is not a japanese system, it is made by westerners to make understanding japanese easier, it isnt about preference as mentioned in ranking rules, it is about being wrong. The prefered romanization is the haTSUki over hadzuki/hazuki since thats the reading is つ and not づ.

Not sure if this is possible to fix without unranking first, if not then whatever but for future please nominators for the sake of us weebs don't put Japanese names in wrong order especially when there are already maps in the correct order and it screws ingame search and sorting.

ありがとう

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-08-17T10:30:39+00:00

SteveRowland wrote:
Triggered by the wrong name order, now it doesn't even find it under the artist when sorting by artist ingame... 葉月ゆら hatsuki (preferred) yu ra - there is only one way to order that and that is family name then first name. The ingame sorting uses romanized version to order even when using japanese metadata and language - suddenly 葉月ゆら is sorted after 雪 and in the Y section?
http://i.imgur.com/c0XGUt2.png - wrong order
http://i.imgur.com/xL5Fmyr.png - correct order of ALL other Hatsuki Yura maps

And relying on japanese to romanize for you is not a good idea, they will put stuff like tinami for chinami for 千 character (because that's how you type it on jp keyboard, you use it to save you a keyboard stroke) and other horrible romanizations like that... not to mention her website says haTUki (cause thats how you type つ)
Remember that romanization is not a japanese system, it is made by westerners to make understanding japanese easier, it isnt about preference as mentioned in ranking rules, it is about being wrong. The prefered romanization is the haTSUki over hadzuki/hazuki since thats the reading is つ and not づ.

Not sure if this is possible to fix without unranking first, if not then whatever but for future please nominators for the sake of us weebs don't put Japanese names in wrong order especially when there are already maps in the correct order and it screws ingame search and sorting.

ありがとう

I was asked to respond to this by Doyak, so I'll do so.

It's not this map having incorrect order, it's other beatmaps having incorrect order. Her website doesn't say haTUki, that's just the domain name and isn't any reference. I can literally have trgfdx.com domain about myself, or I can have waffu.com, because someone already owns it. Domain name is absolutely not official reference. What matters is content of her website, not domain name.

Ranking Criteria wrote:
Eastern artists must be written in the proper 'surname firstname' format (e.g. Japanese/Chinese/Korean). For artists which have a preferred romanisation, use this one. If you're unsure of your artist's name, then check previously ranked maps, Google, Wikipedia, or ask a BN for help.

Order of this map is not 'surname firstname', that doesn't make it unrankable. The rule also says "For artists which have a preferred romanisation, use this one." She's using it on her website, so it is a preferred romanization. Here are few screenshots from her official website. They're using order as in the map, not only here, but for example even on http://hatukiyura.sakura.ne.jp/yoiyami/ or http://hatukiyura.sakura.ne.jp/hameln/

SPOILER

SteveRowland wrote:
And relying on japanese to romanize for you is not a good idea, they will put stuff like tinami for chinami for 千 character (because that's how you type it on jp keyboard, you use it to save you a keyboard stroke) and other horrible romanizations like that... not to mention her website says haTUki (cause thats how you type つ)

This is just a prejudice that japanese are not cappable of romanizing things correctly, please don't mess around with it. Everyone is equal and everyone can romanize. Especially artist can choose whatever preferred romanization he wants.

Current metadata is correct as it corresponds with preferred romanization of Yura Hatsuki, according to her official website. Considering how other maps romanize her name or considering metadata from other beatmaps is not reliable and shouldn't be used - Ranking criteria says that you should check them, but be aware that they're outdated and you should use only official information from the artist. If available. Just because this is the first case where the romanization was taken from official source (not just copying) doesn't mean it's incorrect, other used incorrect romanization and they passed through. In future, maps should have Yura Hatsuki order as that's what the artist has chosen as their romanization. Obviously, unless the album states the other romanization.

Yumikoi

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Yumikoi 2016-08-17T18:43:52+00:00

I understand where you are coming from but literally the only thing it does right now is making it harder to have beatmaps grouped by artist (in both English and Japanese language of the game which is making it even worse as suddenly 葉月 is sorted next to ゆ) with the already quite limited sorting methods available in the osu client.
I know that BN is not an easy task but it really feels like this was going against years old tradition of 100 other maps before for no apparent reason just to have something to point out about metadata :/ Sure you can lawyer it from that sentence in ranking rules and all but it was completely unnecessary and all it does is it confuses players and makes the map less likely to be played together with the old maps, which is a shame because its a great map.

This isn't the first instance of this which is why I'm actually posting about it, I've been burned by this several times in the past and its just annoying for players.
Maybe with osu!next we will be able to sort by Japanese metadata or something but until then please keep consistency with traditions, there is so many players with OCD and this kind of thing really hurts

Doyak

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Doyak 2016-08-17T18:58:04+00:00

SteveRowland wrote:
I understand where you are coming from but literally the only thing it does right now is making it harder to have beatmaps grouped by artist (in both English and Japanese language of the game which is making it even worse as suddenly 葉月 is sorted next to ゆ) with the already quite limited sorting methods available in the osu client.
I know that BN is not an easy task but it really feels like this was going against years old tradition of 100 other maps before for no apparent reason just to have something to point out about metadata :/ Sure you can lawyer it from that sentence in ranking rules and all but it was completely unnecessary and all it does is it confuses players and makes the map less likely to be played together with the old maps, which is a shame because its a great map.

This isn't the first instance of this which is why I'm actually posting about it, I've been burned by this several times in the past and its just annoying for players.
Maybe with osu!next we will be able to sort by Japanese metadata or something but until then please keep consistency with traditions, there is so many players with OCD and this kind of thing really hurts

I once thought about this too and I agree with what you're concerned about. But "being as official as possible" is what the staff wants to do, and we're following it to make every ranked maps have official metadata. We simply didn't have strict rules about this before, and now we're constructing more clear rules one by one, and metadata is in the way of it. If the 'tradition' you said is going against to what we're aiming for, it can be changed by a rule.

Wafu

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Wafu 2016-08-17T22:44:32+00:00

SteveRowland wrote:
I understand where you are coming from but literally the only thing it does right now is making it harder to have beatmaps grouped by artist (in both English and Japanese language of the game which is making it even worse as suddenly 葉月 is sorted next to ゆ) with the already quite limited sorting methods available in the osu client.
I know that BN is not an easy task but it really feels like this was going against years old tradition of 100 other maps before for no apparent reason just to have something to point out about metadata :/ Sure you can lawyer it from that sentence in ranking rules and all but it was completely unnecessary and all it does is it confuses players and makes the map less likely to be played together with the old maps, which is a shame because its a great map.

This isn't the first instance of this which is why I'm actually posting about it, I've been burned by this several times in the past and its just annoying for players.
Maybe with osu!next we will be able to sort by Japanese metadata or something but until then please keep consistency with traditions, there is so many players with OCD and this kind of thing really hurts

Searching "Hatsuki Yura" or "Yura Hatsuki" in-game will still find all of her songs, they just won't be sorted under the same letter. If we did something wrong in past, we don't make it a tradition, we simply do that correctly instead. This is like saying that if the romanization was completely wrong in all other maps, it would still be fine, because we after all did that in past, so we should keep up with tradition. I get what you mean here, but we shouldn't allow things that are discouraged by rules and should aim for the most accurate ones.

If you want to bring in the obsessive compulsive disorder here, then be sure that point isn't valid. First of all, having OCD and playing osu! is already a trigger. You could apply that to most of mapping techniques, force symmetry, 1pixel accuracy etc. Second thing is, what if mapper had OCD and wanted to keep in order with the artist? But players want the opposite - DQ? Force to change it despite it being correct? The only thing we must consider here is if the metadata doesn't conflict with artist's official metadata and ensure that you can find it in-game and website. If one wants to find songs from one artist, he'll still have to type it because of circles or bands, which don't list her name directly in artist's name. Relying on sorting isn't always the best. If artist changes name, we go with the change because we want to make it as accurate and as official as possible. We are not above the artist to alter their name and OCD or sorting is really irrelevant.

Btw. "just to have something to point out about metadata" - It was always an issue, just it used to slip through more often and there were no people who'd check it frequently. Since the DQ system was invented, we were aiming to fix as much as possible. It's not that we made this up so we can point out something.

Shiranai

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Shiranai 2016-08-17T22:50:50+00:00

I love Hatsuki Yura for a long time and this kind of thing is not trigered me that much, since both name refers to same person eventually. About keeping the old tradition on consistency metadata, we actually already tried to have consistency here, but every years once in a while we revise our ruleset on ranking criteria so the rules may diffrent year to year and as Wafu and Doyak been stated above we should use metadata as official as possible. In this case, Hatsuki Yura, she suddenly refers herself as Yura Hatsuki (western style romanization) based on her official site, so we try to use Yura Hatsuki here instead Hatsuki Yura to respect her choice in that matter.

Well that just my two cents, hope you can understand the situation here

Yumikoi

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Joined January 2015

Yumikoi 2016-08-18T01:22:18+00:00

Oh well i guess lets just enjoy the game~ I'll have to survive this officialization.

On a slightly unrelated note before I leave, I noticed a severe lack of cute 2d girls in avatars of BNs in this topic :O Kinda heretical when you think about it, bad representation of the weeb nation

At least Minakami Yuki has a cute Hinata in her chuuni form <3 - way to go Yuki, way to go~

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Ascendance 2016-08-18T02:18:38+00:00

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