SteveRowland wrote:
Triggered by the wrong name order, now it doesn't even find it under the artist when sorting by artist ingame... 葉月ゆら hatsuki (preferred) yu ra - there is only one way to order that and that is family name then first name. The ingame sorting uses romanized version to order even when using japanese metadata and language - suddenly 葉月ゆら is sorted after 雪 and in the Y section?
http://i.imgur.com/c0XGUt2.png - wrong order
http://i.imgur.com/xL5Fmyr.png - correct order of ALL other Hatsuki Yura maps
And relying on japanese to romanize for you is not a good idea, they will put stuff like tinami for chinami for 千 character (because that's how you type it on jp keyboard, you use it to save you a keyboard stroke) and other horrible romanizations like that... not to mention her website says haTUki (cause thats how you type つ)
Remember that romanization is not a japanese system, it is made by westerners to make understanding japanese easier, it isnt about preference as mentioned in ranking rules, it is about being wrong. The prefered romanization is the haTSUki over hadzuki/hazuki since thats the reading is つ and not づ.
Not sure if this is possible to fix without unranking first, if not then whatever but for future please nominators for the sake of us weebs don't put Japanese names in wrong order especially when there are already maps in the correct order and it screws ingame search and sorting.
ありがとう
I was asked to respond to this by Doyak, so I'll do so.
It's not this map having incorrect order, it's other beatmaps having incorrect order. Her website doesn't say haTUki, that's just the domain name and isn't any reference. I can literally have trgfdx.com domain about myself, or I can have waffu.com, because someone already owns it. Domain name is absolutely not official reference. What matters is content of her website, not domain name.
Ranking Criteria wrote:
Eastern artists must be written in the proper 'surname firstname' format (e.g. Japanese/Chinese/Korean). For artists which have a preferred romanisation, use this one. If you're unsure of your artist's name, then check previously ranked maps, Google, Wikipedia, or ask a BN for help.
Order of this map is not 'surname firstname', that doesn't make it unrankable. The rule also says "For artists which have a preferred romanisation, use this one." She's using it on her website, so it is a preferred romanization. Here are few screenshots from her official website. They're using order as in the map, not only here, but for example even on
http://hatukiyura.sakura.ne.jp/yoiyami/ or
http://hatukiyura.sakura.ne.jp/hameln/SteveRowland wrote:
And relying on japanese to romanize for you is not a good idea, they will put stuff like tinami for chinami for 千 character (because that's how you type it on jp keyboard, you use it to save you a keyboard stroke) and other horrible romanizations like that... not to mention her website says haTUki (cause thats how you type つ)
This is just a prejudice that japanese are not cappable of romanizing things correctly, please don't mess around with it. Everyone is equal and everyone can romanize. Especially artist can choose whatever preferred romanization he wants.
Current metadata is correct as it corresponds with preferred romanization of Yura Hatsuki, according to her official website. Considering how other maps romanize her name or considering metadata from other beatmaps is not reliable and shouldn't be used - Ranking criteria says that you should check them, but be aware that they're outdated and you should use only official information from the artist. If available. Just because this is the first case where the romanization was taken from official source (not just copying) doesn't mean it's incorrect, other used incorrect romanization and they passed through. In future, maps should have Yura Hatsuki order as that's what the artist has chosen as their romanization. Obviously, unless the album states the other romanization.