What caused the beatmap style to change?

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Maeglwn
it changed when people realized you can put excessively dumb jumps into maps where they make little to no sense and have people like it because it's innovative and edgy

nowadays now we just have every other map massively overmapped to unplayability and yet people have shifted their standards back so far that its considered, to this day, to be innovative and creative

sad life
B1rd

Maeglwn wrote:

it changed when people realized you can put excessively dumb jumps into maps where they make little to no sense and have people like it because it's innovative and edgy

nowadays now we just have every other map massively overmapped to unplayability and yet people have shifted their standards back so far that its considered, to this day, to be innovative and creative

sad life
You really think people would like maps that are unplayable just because they're 'innovative and edgy'? Maybe they like the maps because they're fun to play?
Maeglwn

B1rd wrote:

You really think people would like maps that are unplayable just because they're 'innovative and edgy'? Maybe they like the maps because they're fun to play?
yea, I really like it when people map things solely for the top .5% of players in the community to play and the rest to watch
Yuudachi-kun

Maeglwn wrote:

B1rd wrote:

You really think people would like maps that are unplayable just because they're 'innovative and edgy'? Maybe they like the maps because they're fun to play?
yea, I really like it when people map things solely for the top .5% of players in the community to play and the rest to watch
You sound a bit bitter that people aren't mapping things exclusively for you and should cater to you.
Maeglwn

Kheldragar wrote:

You sound a bit bitter that people aren't mapping things exclusively for you and should cater to you.
lol, what? I only map, I don't actually play that often anymore, it's just a general analyzation of the maps that have been popular and ranked lately, that's all. I really couldn't care less about things being made for "me"
Lach

Maeglwn wrote:

B1rd wrote:

You really think people would like maps that are unplayable just because they're 'innovative and edgy'? Maybe they like the maps because they're fun to play?
yea, I really like it when people map things solely for the top .5% of players in the community to play and the rest to watch
Realistically, that's why people enforce difficulty spreads. So there's something for everyone to play. Mapping something difficult for high end players, providing it is good, should be encouraged as long as there's adequate stuff for everyone else to play. And you know this.
Yuudachi-kun

Maeglwn wrote:

Kheldragar wrote:

You sound a bit bitter that people aren't mapping things exclusively for you and should cater to you.
lol, what? I only map, I don't actually play that often anymore, it's just a general analyzation of the maps that have been popular and ranked lately, that's all. I really couldn't care less about things being made for "me"
Then replace "me" with some random player of the general public. Too bad if a map is too difficult for you - fucking get better to play it. There's lots of maps available at lower skill levels, stop whinging that some mappers make some songs you can't play.
B1rd

Maeglwn wrote:

yea, I really like it when people map things solely for the top .5% of players in the community to play and the rest to watch
Well doesn't it makes sense that there are people mapping for the top .5% which are the people who play the game the most? And considering there are thousands of thousands of mapsets of low difficulty maps that cater to infrequent/casual players, and that every expert map has to have low difficulties includes, I'm not sure what your problem is.

I don't see how any mapping standards have dropped, and I quite enjoy playing the variety of mapping styles.
Maeglwn

Kheldragar wrote:

Then replace "me" with some random player of the general public. Too bad if a map is too difficult for you - fucking get better to play it. There's lots of maps available at lower skill levels, stop whinging that some mappers make some songs you can't play.
you completely missed the point of the post, it's not that people are too bad to play it, it's that maps are specificially getting harder and harder to the point where it takes the best players time to even pass them. mashley explained it pretty well earlier, people are mapping for difficulty, easy as that

Lach wrote:

Realistically, that's why people enforce difficulty spreads. So there's something for everyone to play. Mapping something difficult for high end players, providing it is good, should be encouraged as long as there's adequate stuff for everyone else to play. And you know this.
lach you and I both know there's issues with ~ s p r e a d ~ all of the time that just gets overlooked
Yuudachi-kun

Maeglwn wrote:

Kheldragar wrote:

Then replace "me" with some random player of the general public. Too bad if a map is too difficult for you - fucking get better to play it. There's lots of maps available at lower skill levels, stop whinging that some mappers make some songs you can't play.
you completely missed the point of the post, it's not that people are too bad to play it, it's that maps are specificially getting harder and harder to the point where it takes the best players time to even pass them. mashley explained it pretty well earlier, people are mapping for difficulty, easy as that
And I really, really don't see the problem with that; I just don't.
Maeglwn

Kheldragar wrote:

And I really, really don't see the problem with that; I just don't.
because difficulty is being artificially increased by overmapping things that shouldn't be overmapped

if you look at some of the newer 7 star maps, this is especially apparent. its all over the map. that's not quality, that's difficulty spikes to try and be the most popular
Mashley
It's a basic principle of what makes a good map that it should connect with the music. For the last few years of course the majority of mappers have forgotten about that.

But what do I care, I don't even play this game any more lol. Peace.

EDIT: And I might add that the people who defend maps with 'but it's fun' are the same people who watch the transformers movies or your latest kawaii schoolgirl anime. They don't care about it being well made, they just want it to be flashy. Ok now peace for real.
Astrofiziks
EDIT: And I might add that the people who defend maps with 'but it's fun' are the same people who watch the transformers movies or your latest kawaii schoolgirl anime. They don't care about it being well made, they just want it to be flashy. Ok now peace for real.
they're fun, i love fun and also transformers
bigfeh
I feel that some newer dnb maps are particularly overmapped. DnB maps have this problem because "muh dnb" so people end up mapping beats that aren't there just because dnb

Other than that, if the map isn't just a patternless mess, I don't really mind it being slightly jumpy
Infevo

Astrofiziks wrote:

EDIT: And I might add that the people who defend maps with 'but it's fun' are the same people who watch the transformers movies or your latest kawaii schoolgirl anime. They don't care about it being well made, they just want it to be flashy. Ok now peace for real.
they're fun, i love fun and also transformers
same here. love newer maps a lot. although they don't always make sense in many ways. but fun is what matters most to me in a game.

not so much agreed on the transformers part. the last movie wasn't for me. also not so much of an avengers or any other random marvel movie enthusiast. neither can i watch the latest overhyped kancolle fanservice anime without getting a permaheadache =/
Astrofiziks
same here. love newer maps a lot. although they don't always make sense in many ways. but fun is what matters most to me in a game.

not so much agreed on the transformers part. the last movie wasn't for me. also not so much of an avengers or any other random marvel movie enthusiast. neither can i watch the latest overhyped kancolle fanservice anime without getting a permaheadache =/
i'll be honest i've never seen a single transformers movie actually

but yeah, i like the newer maps, though that may be just because i've only been playing this game for a little over a month. love me some jumps
Momi

Mashley wrote:

EDIT: And I might add that the people who defend maps with 'but it's fun' are the same people who watch the transformers movies or your latest kawaii schoolgirl anime. They don't care about it being well made, they just want it to be flashy. Ok now peace for real.
ad hominemification strong
Nathan

B1rd wrote:

I don't see how any mapping standards have dropped, and I quite enjoy playing the variety of mapping styles.
Actually, mapping standards have recently been rising.
pandaBee

Maeglwn wrote:

yea, I really like it when people map things solely for the top .5% of players in the community to play and the rest to watch
lol wut
byfar
we map for aesthetics
ay
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