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It is an unwritten rule though, because bubbled maps have been popped for the sr gaps, and other maps can't get ranked because of that.
And using Renatus, which was only ranked through the contest, and Kakushigoto (we all know the drama behind that) as examples...those are not good examples.
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Yuyoyuppe - AiAe
A.SAKA - Nanatsu Issenzakura
Please find me a map dq'd by sr gaps thank you.
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Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Grats ExPew and ljqandylee <3

IN GAME normal 1,98*, maybe its not an issue for the DQ
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As I've mentioned before to a few others already concerning this map, the gap allowable in such a case like this.
I've asked around and gotten confirmation from QATs already before the qualification of this mapset that this is allowable.

There was a reason why 1.5* gap was an unwritten rule as it was never really definite - but instead a decent enough reference / guideline point to use in order to judge spread.
Recently many people have been complaining about the inefficiency of the star rating system from what I can tell - it particularly being not a good enough judge to accurately determine spread, therefore things like density, BPM and pattern complexity will be the main judge in determining whether a map is acceptable beyond the 1.5*+ spread range. It'll be somewhat similar to standard and how their spread is determined. (Also this only really applies to higher difficulties. To be completely honest, having easier diffs outside of 1.5* anyways is just not really that logical to begin with.)

This does take things to a more subjective approach which some people may or may not agree with, but again if keeping to the 1.5* max gap guideline anyways you won't have any issues.

Again as previously mentioned we already have previously ranked maps exceeding the 1.5* gap, although we have a few maps popped / told to change due to the gap (although I believe in Negative Legacy's case I believe it was the spread gap between hard? Which doesn't make as much sense if it was between Max And the hardest diff). It's really just dependent on the dynamic of this current growing system. (Explained below)

Anyways, a last thing (and one of the most important things) to just keep in mind is that the reason why a lot of these rules and such aren't completely set in stone is because osu!mania in terms of the mapping/modding part is still a fast-growing system. Two months ago we had around 3 BATs only. Now there's 23 BNs that specialise in osu!mania alone. Of course things will be a bit unstable or change, nothing can help that.

This isn't coming from me, but what I have come across and seen recently to be the new judgement of this gap spread concern. I'm not arguing with anyone or defending anything, I'm simply enlightening and notifying.

(If this map gets DQed for whatever reason, the above still applies.)

Preferably I'd like further discussion of this spread gap to be elsewhere as at this point after qualification it doesn't become constructive at all. This is up to the QAT's discretion now. Thanks.
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I believe this is acceptable since it is higher than 5.25 which is stated in RC (but never told about the gaps though..)
We really need some clarification about the gap thing :v QATs got this~

Anyway, congrats~
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不管图最终啥命运 我都永远永远永远支持
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http://puu.sh/gsnFC/815877c55f.png
Jacks on weak finger make me sad
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Charles445 wrote:

http://puu.sh/gsnFC/815877c55f.png
Jacks on weak finger make me sad
Depend on players' skill. lol'd. It's not even trill
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_S u w a k o_ wrote:

Charles445 wrote:

http://puu.sh/gsnFC/815877c55f.png
Jacks on weak finger make me sad
Depend on players' skill. lol'd. It's not even trill
It also depends on where it is / what it's paired with.
It's on the Insane so it was pretty unexpected considering the Insane is mostly stream and hold focused.
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Paulmrm wrote:

Aren't SR gaps wider than 1.5 stars unrankable? The gap between Insane's star rating and Ex-ray's is 1.87.
Nobody said 1.5 stars gap is unrankable.
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Spy wrote:

Paulmrm wrote:

Aren't SR gaps wider than 1.5 stars unrankable? The gap between Insane's star rating and Ex-ray's is 1.87.
Nobody said 1.5 stars gap is unrankable.
I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.

why does anyone care about star rating anyway it's broken
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Fullerene- wrote:

I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.

why does anyone care about star rating anyway it's broken
logically
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Fullerene- wrote:

I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.
1.5 is the standard discussed by me and ExPew. Actually I didn't say it in public. And we just said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I remember I wrote in ShiRen board before, but I wrote, "unacceptable", is there anyone can't distinguish "unacceptable" and "unrankable" ?
So, why should I say it clearly ? Controlling gap well is mapper and BN's jobs. From start to finish, how come "unrankable" ? I don't get it, and I never heard that.

About bubble popping, it is not my business, every BN's standard is different, I don't understand why you can take a map popped by this reason to show me about it.

All in all, over 1.5 stars not means unrankable, but it is not mean will 100% acceptable for mania QATs.
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Spy wrote:

Fullerene- wrote:

I can't say for others, but the confusion I saw myself was because I saw this being referenced in other maps by BNs like in the link in my earlier post p/3772733

In addition, and I know others can say as well, but I distinctly remember the shi-ren trello saying "1.5+ star gap between diff = unrankable" in its ranking criteria page. Yes, I know it's not official documentation, and said documentation is gone now, but that page was referenced a lot many times in the past by many as a quick summary of ranking criteria that applies to mania only.

In any case, this has been cleared up so I don't think there's anything further to say about this.
1.5 is the standard discussed by me and ExPew. Actually I didn't say it in public. And we just said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I remember I wrote in ShiRen board before, but I wrote, "unacceptable", is there anyone can't distinguish "unacceptable" and "unrankable" ?
So, why should I say it clearly ? Controlling gap well is mapper and BN's jobs. From start to finish, how come "unrankable" ? I don't get it, and I never heard that.
when Negative Legacy thing you guys forced that mappers to make less gap
they made really hard effort,you know,because you are experienced mapper
but this time you won't unrank this or even consider,just say not logical thing
hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ
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shionelove wrote:

when Negative Legacy thing you guys forced that mappers to make less gap
they made really hard effort,you know,because you are experienced mapper
but this time you won't unrank this or even consider,just say not logical thing
hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ
QATs' works are not only one can decide it, it have to discuss.
About "hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ", I can't get your logic. I've said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I've discussed with other QATs, still wait for response, do you know that ? I think you're not. You only see the side of a thing.
I still can't get what you want to express. Your behavior is just like as my mistake that post your twitter in the thread before.
Be mature, okay ? We're talking about the map, not the relationship. Stop your nonsense.
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Spy wrote:

QATs' works are not only one can decide it, it have to discuss.
About "hhh just AXION's mappers are your friends in QQ", I can't get your logic. I've said we'll consider the condition(BPM, patterns..etc) to decide disqualify it or not. I've discussed with other QATs, still wait for response, do you know that ? I think you're not. You only see the side of a thing.
I still can't get what you want to express. Your behavior is just like as my mistake that post your twitter in the thread before.
Be mature, okay ? We're talking about the map, not the relationship. Stop your nonsense.
ok then i talk about this map
this map has more than 1.5 gap
when Negative Legacy unranked,BN(then BAT)forced mapper to make less gap then 1.5
and QAT or another BAT don't disagree this opinion
so if you don't DQ this map,it's not unfair
WITHOUT QUALITY thing,this map should be unrank
1.8 gap is too more than 1.5
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shionelove wrote:

ok then i talk about this map
this map has more than 1.5 gap
when Negative Legacy unranked,BN(then BAT)forced mapper to make less gap then 1.5
and QAT or another BAT don't disagree this opinion
so if you don't DQ this map,it's not unfair
WITHOUT QUALITY thing,this map should be unrank
1.8 gap is too more than 1.5
Oh please. I've said, "All in all, over 1.5 stars not means unrankable, but it is not mean will 100% acceptable for mania QATs."
You're BN, do you hope there is a map qualified by you then be disqualified by the gap issue ? They just want to be strict.
About Negative Legacy, when it be disqualified, and be disagree by another QAT, but did you see I said any words about that there ?
If I don't disqualify this map, it is unfair ? How come ? And I really dislike to repeat same thing again and again. I've said, "I've discussed with other QATs, still wait for response, do you know that ?"
Finally, according to your words, if I don't disqualify AiAe, it is unfair too, right ?

I really can't get your logic clearly, your words are really vexatious, anyway I'll wait for other QATs for the response.
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i enjoy to play this beatmap . . .

anyway,
gratz, ljqandylee :D
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Blah, read the ranking criteria. Unwritten rules do not exist. Stop that bullshit, please.
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Wow, why do you always bring up AiAe as example for everything Spy?
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