What is your vision of a utopia?
Karmine wrote:
Something without you.
factsAireunaeus wrote:
A world with no problems... which means no people
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problemsAireunaeus wrote:
A world with no problems... which means no people
bro think he's a misanthropist 😭😭Aireunaeus wrote:
A world with no problems... which means no people
one person's utopia is another's not utopia-Izuki- wrote:
factsAireunaeus wrote:
A world with no problems... which means no people
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
Non-human animals would probably be happier, plants and other stuff too if you count themPatatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problemsAireunaeus wrote:
A world with no problems... which means no people
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
Karmine wrote:
Something without you.
bro its not that deep...Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
me when I try think a good answer to a question in the philosohpy thread:Aireunaeus wrote:
bro its not that deep...
You're likely just saying this because you're too lazy to read.Aireunaeus wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
bro its not that deep...
can't blame him for that thoughYmir wrote:
You're likely just saying this because you're too lazy to read.Aireunaeus wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
bro its not that deep...
Why reply to something you didn't read though?sametdze wrote:
can't blame him for that thoughYmir wrote:
You're likely just saying this because you're too lazy to read.Aireunaeus wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
bro its not that deep...
All i need to know is that an utopia will likely never existYmir wrote:
You're likely just saying this because you're too lazy to read.Aireunaeus wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
bro its not that deep...
No shit sherlock, it's in the definition.Aireunaeus wrote:
All i need to know is that an utopia will likely never existYmir wrote:
You're likely just saying this because you're too lazy to read.Aireunaeus wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
bro its not that deep...
How profound!Aireunaeus wrote:
All i need to know is that an utopia will likely never existYmir wrote:
You're likely just saying this because you're too lazy to read.Aireunaeus wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
bro its not that deep...
Yes! I got it right. People refer me as a detective 😏Karmine wrote:
No shit sherlock, it's in the definition.Aireunaeus wrote:
All i need to know is that an utopia will likely never existYmir wrote:
You're likely just saying this because you're too lazy to read.Aireunaeus wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
an utopia is just the ideal society, the best way to live. There are multiple problems with taking humans out of it. We can say that for example "oh, the most IMPORTANT aspect for there to be a utopia is for the environment to flourish", and then you can additionally say "oh, humans are bad for the environments", it makes sense to believe that then humans musn't exist for there to be a utopia, however, if you think about it closer, it doesn't hold. How can an utopia exist if there is no one to declare it an utopia?, if an utopia is just a thought experiment that we human make (We can never actually live in a utopia because there will always be a better thing), how can a utopia exists without humans to think about it?z0z wrote:
do utopias need humans specifically? do they even need any kind of significantly developed life?Patatitta wrote:
no no, you're wrong, a world with no one but me, because I am the only one who doesn't create problems
anyways, I hope you're trying to be edgy or just sarcastic, but I fucking hate that line of thinking, there are no problems sure, but there is also no happiness, there cant exist a utopia that doesn't involve humans and our feelings.
It's like saying something is more beautiful without anyone to observe it. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, how can you claim something that no one has beholded is beautiful? Everything is just attributes that we humans assign to thing, without humans, then if anything it would all be apathy, except that apathy is also a human made thing. No humans wouldn't be a utopia, it just wouldn't be anything at all, it would be nonexistence, the lack of anything, positive or negative, hell the whole concept of positive or negative would stop existing. If we say nature is important, and then remove humans, then nature lacks to be important, since it's us humans who decide what is and isn't important.
additionally, everyone definition of a utopia varies, if you say the environment is the best thing ever and that humans are bad for it, and that the best thing that could happen is for human to stop existing from earth, then, why haven't you killed yourself already?, I know this sounds dumb or condescending, but really, if your utopia would be for you to be a in a state of non-existence, why haven't we all killed ourelves yet? If you start looking at it from that perspective you will see it also doesn't hold. You can't say you're looking at it from a selfless perspective because it's YOU specifically who has that thought, it's YOUR vision of a utopia
bro its not that deep...
Genetically programmed to like twinks.Ashton wrote:
I wonder, are human desires innate or learned?
you're slowly becoming me holy shitPatatitta wrote:
me when I try think a good answer to a question in the philosohpy thread:Aireunaeus wrote:
bro its not that deep...
wowowowowowo TOO FAR bro, you were not meant to do thatttttt
isn't making overly long posts thinking about stuff part of my ot identityPolyspora wrote:
you're slowly becoming me holy shitPatatitta wrote:
me when I try think a good answer to a question in the philosohpy thread:Aireunaeus wrote:
bro its not that deep...
wowowowowowo TOO FAR bro, you were not meant to do thatttttt
maybe, but getting mad when people dont take it seriously or dismiss it was not lolPatatitta wrote:
isn't making overly long posts thinking about stuff part of my ot identityPolyspora wrote:
you're slowly becoming me holy shitPatatitta wrote:
me when I try think a good answer to a question in the philosohpy thread:Aireunaeus wrote:
bro its not that deep...
wowowowowowo TOO FAR bro, you were not meant to do thatttttt
Its part of Achromalia identity wtfPatatitta wrote:
isn't making overly long posts thinking about stuff part of my ot identityPolyspora wrote:
you're slowly becoming me holy shitPatatitta wrote:
me when I try think a good answer to a question in the philosohpy thread:Aireunaeus wrote:
bro its not that deep...
wowowowowowo TOO FAR bro, you were not meant to do thatttttt
I mean, it is, achromalia does it harder since they do it every post, but like, I do it too, in fact i'm one of the only few people that ACTUALLY responds to achromaliaAshton wrote:
Its part of Achromalia identity wtfPatatitta wrote:
isn't making overly long posts thinking about stuff part of my ot identityPolyspora wrote:
you're slowly becoming me holy shitPatatitta wrote:
me when I try think a good answer to a question in the philosohpy thread:Aireunaeus wrote:
bro its not that deep...
wowowowowowo TOO FAR bro, you were not meant to do thatttttt
I guess that is fairPolyspora wrote:
maybe, but getting mad when people dont take it seriously or dismiss it was not lolPatatitta wrote:
isn't making overly long posts thinking about stuff part of my ot identityPolyspora wrote:
you're slowly becoming me holy shitPatatitta wrote:
me when I try think a good answer to a question in the philosohpy thread:Aireunaeus wrote:
bro its not that deep...
wowowowowowo TOO FAR bro, you were not meant to do thatttttt
yeah fucked up in that post I admit it, though I still stand what I said, there is no alternative interpretation of cirnoPolyspora wrote:
ok I dont care about cirnos age lol, but it felt the same as choosing a chibi version of a character and calling it a child lmao, just funnyPatatitta wrote:
yeah fucked up in that post I admit it, though I still stand what I said, there is no alternative interpretation of cirnoPolyspora wrote:
>B0ii wrote:
Personally, I think that it is very difficult, if not impossible, to create a utopia because people have too many differing opinions and perspectives on life. For a person to create a utopia is for a person to create a place for themselves specifically.
That is all I have to say.
She's >80 years old according to touhou wiki....Polyspora wrote:
that's more akin to maximum security prison than what people usually think of utopia. One man's utopia is another man's dystopia I guess.Aireunaeus wrote:
A world with no problems... which means no people
I mean, A world where everyone lives in a hyper-realistic VR simulation of their own ideal world, so realistic that they can not tell that it's simulated, is not entirely impossible. (In fact, this is a premise of an Isekai novel where humanity eventually gone extinct in the 22-23rd century because they apparently reached peak science, found out that there are no aliens after all, and just lives in a hyper realistic VR all day and entertained themselves to extinction.)B0ii wrote:
Personally, I think that it is very difficult, if not impossible, to create a utopia because people have too many differing opinions and perspectives on life. For a person to create a utopia is for a person to create a place for themselves specifically.
That is all I have to say.
The foetus in your womb is >2000 years old according to touhou wikiJangsoodlor wrote:
She's >80 years old according to touhou wiki....Polyspora wrote:
Ymir wrote:
The foetus in your womb is >2000 years old according to touhou wikiJangsoodlor wrote:
She's >80 years old according to touhou wiki....Polyspora wrote: