Karmine wrote:

Lyawi wrote:

Honestly this is kind of a new issue since it got internally adressed the first time, it takes some time to fully clarify how to handle stuff like this properly. Blushing adressed it perfectly in my opinion:

Blushing wrote:

- Chainposting every thread. There is no reason you need to respond to 15 threads in G&R on an hour basis. Touch grass.
- Alternating. Simply take it to DMs, if you want to have a conversation about something on the forums, between 2 people, just take it to DMs.
- Post farming. Seek attention elsewhere.
- Trying to help and you know nothing of the topic you are talking about. If you no naught, ask people who might know how to help, its better than a 10 post thread of just incorrect jargon and has actually just lead the OG poster astray.

Though, this doesn't need to be stated in the rules, or actually, it already is:

Forum-wide rules wrote:

1. Post only meaningful, interesting or otherwise engaging content/topics. Forums are about discussions foremost, so make sure to put the effort in to make it worth everyone's time.
4. Keep threads relevant, and avoid resurrecting older topics if the conversation has died out. If a topic has been dead for years, it isn't really relevant any more, so just let it fade away. Post a new one, or maybe search and see if someone has answered your question already.

wiki/en/Rules#forum-wide-rules

This will get silenced (especially when it gets out of hand). Please keep reporting when it happens.
A little bit of shitposting is fine everywhere, though it shouldn't be half of your input in forums. If you mostly want nonsense conversation, go to OT. If you want to chat with someone, do this in dms.

I've already mentioned in another thread before that it's already against the rules, and it has also been mentioned that this behaviour has been reported multiple times by various people, yet it still happens and nothing came out of these reports.
Reporting it won't do anything if the rules are not enforced 9/10 times.
That's why we see people complaining and making threads about it.

Kobold84 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Lyawi wrote:

Honestly this is kind of a new issue since it got internally adressed the first time, it takes some time to fully clarify how to handle stuff like this properly. Blushing adressed it perfectly in my opinion:

Blushing wrote:

- Chainposting every thread. There is no reason you need to respond to 15 threads in G&R on an hour basis. Touch grass.
- Alternating. Simply take it to DMs, if you want to have a conversation about something on the forums, between 2 people, just take it to DMs.
- Post farming. Seek attention elsewhere.
- Trying to help and you know nothing of the topic you are talking about. If you no naught, ask people who might know how to help, its better than a 10 post thread of just incorrect jargon and has actually just lead the OG poster astray.

Though, this doesn't need to be stated in the rules, or actually, it already is:

Forum-wide rules wrote:

1. Post only meaningful, interesting or otherwise engaging content/topics. Forums are about discussions foremost, so make sure to put the effort in to make it worth everyone's time.
4. Keep threads relevant, and avoid resurrecting older topics if the conversation has died out. If a topic has been dead for years, it isn't really relevant any more, so just let it fade away. Post a new one, or maybe search and see if someone has answered your question already.

wiki/en/Rules#forum-wide-rules

This will get silenced (especially when it gets out of hand). Please keep reporting when it happens.
A little bit of shitposting is fine everywhere, though it shouldn't be half of your input in forums. If you mostly want nonsense conversation, go to OT. If you want to chat with someone, do this in dms.

I've already mentioned in another thread before that it's already against the rules, and it has also been mentioned that this behaviour has been reported multiple times by various people, yet it still happens and nothing came out of these reports.
Reporting it won't do anything if the rules are not enforced 9/10 times.
That's why we see people complaining and making threads about it.

See, it's not that easy.

Firstly, people being against chainposting (and then post farming) are the vocal minority, my thread proved that most people just don't care. However it's true that some of the vocal minority are active forum posters, but it doesn't mean it's a majority of active forum posters. Secondly, for the chainposting itself, there was simply no reason to enforce it. After I made that thread, no chainposting ever occured — or at least it was like that until today.

You say "nothing came out of these reports", but how do you know that? I personally deleted posts that I deemed strongly unnecessary right after reports came in. Do understand that not every report is actionable, why? Because moderators have their own view on these things, every single report shouldn't result in the reporting side "winning" their argument. Not to mention forum reports for post farming are so few you could count them on your hand.

Karmine wrote:

A majority of (mostly) lurkers being ok with a tiny minority of users (almost only one) breaking rules, which annoys a slightly bigger minority of (mostly) active users is not a good reason to not enforce said rules.
If some people start posting NSFW and others say they don't care does that mean posting NSFW is ok? (I'm talking about other forums since it's basically how it works in OT)

Karmine wrote:

I know reports are mostly useless because I sometimes check spammers' profiles and silences started coming not so long ago and are usually quite short, even though they've been spamming for months.
Also I don't expect single reports to always lead to something, but when multiple people report the same thing multiple times and it keeps happening for literal months, even if there was some silencing/deletions eventually, they stop reporting because it feels like a waste of time for everyone.
Also also, when someone spams various forums almost daily people don't necessarily want to spam reports daily.

Kobold84 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

A majority of (mostly) lurkers being ok with a tiny minority of users (almost only one) breaking rules, which annoys a slightly bigger minority of (mostly) active users is not a good reason to not enforce said rules.
If some people start posting NSFW and others say they don't care does that mean posting NSFW is ok? (I'm talking about other forums since it's basically how it works in OT)

You missed the second point of my post. It's not as easy as "remove this person forever if it annoys a minority of active users". That's simply not what moderators do and will do.
Again, you overestimate how many reports happen on chainposting and post farming. You yourself have barely reported this thing.

Karmine wrote:

I know reports are mostly useless because I sometimes check spammers' profiles and silences started coming not so long ago and are usually quite short, even though they've been spamming for months.
Also I don't expect single reports to always lead to something, but when multiple people report the same thing multiple times and it keeps happening for literal months, even if there was some silencing/deletions eventually, they stop reporting because it feels like a waste of time for everyone.
Also also, when someone spams various forums almost daily people don't necessarily want to spam reports daily.

And how do you know all of that exactly? I can assure you it's never "multiple people report the same thing". Bits of reporting here, bits there. And it's not "for months", people like to complain, but rarely act on these impulses. Even then, sometimes reports are simply non-actionable. Not everything you deem as post farming is actually that. It's actually kind of hard to deal with it, as it's often on the same level as other posts. And removing other people's posts because of one post farmer is disingenuous. Removing only post farmer's posts, but not similar ones made by other people is also weird.

As for the short length of silences, that's simply how osu! operates. You don't get punished severely at first, which I think is a good thing for forums (not so much for chat, but I digress). But even if I wasn't thinking that, it's not for me to decide.

Let's have a thought experiment. You're now a moderator. What do you do?

Karmine wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

Karmine wrote:

A majority of (mostly) lurkers being ok with a tiny minority of users (almost only one) breaking rules, which annoys a slightly bigger minority of (mostly) active users is not a good reason to not enforce said rules.
If some people start posting NSFW and others say they don't care does that mean posting NSFW is ok? (I'm talking about other forums since it's basically how it works in OT)

You missed the second point of my post. It's not as easy as "remove this person forever if it annoys a minority of active users". That's simply not what moderators do and will do.
Again, you overestimate how many reports happen on chainposting and post farming. You yourself have barely reported this thing.

Karmine wrote:

I know reports are mostly useless because I sometimes check spammers' profiles and silences started coming not so long ago and are usually quite short, even though they've been spamming for months.
Also I don't expect single reports to always lead to something, but when multiple people report the same thing multiple times and it keeps happening for literal months, even if there was some silencing/deletions eventually, they stop reporting because it feels like a waste of time for everyone.
Also also, when someone spams various forums almost daily people don't necessarily want to spam reports daily.

And how do you know all of that exactly? I can assure you it's never "multiple people report the same thing". Bits of reporting here, bits there. And it's not "for months", people like to complain, but rarely act on these impulses. Even then, sometimes reports are simply non-actionable. Not everything you deem as post farming is actually that. It's actually kind of hard to deal with it, as it's often on the same level as other posts. And removing other people's posts because of one post farmer is disingenuous. Removing only post farmer's posts, but not similar ones made by other people is also weird.

As for the short length of silences, that's simply how osu! operates. You don't get punished severely at first, which I think is a good thing for forums (not so much for chat, but I digress). But even if I wasn't thinking that, it's not for me to decide.

Let's have a thought experiment. You're now a moderator. What do you do?

Enforce the rules, depending on the situation delete posts/silence the user, it's really that simple.
I'm not saying "remove this person specifically", I'm saying there are rules that are clearly not being enforced and people abusing that. They can stay as long as they stop spamming/breaking rules, which they won't if they're never punished for doing so.

People break rules? Warn them.
They stop? Cool.
They don't? Light punishment (osu!'s system is good for that imo, that's not the issue here).
They still don't stop after that? Harder punishment.
If they just never stop despite punishments getting harder they'll end up getting banned.

Patatitta wrote:

My Angel Anaxii wrote:

Damn that’s a quite insane situation… Never expected people to be that upset about “post farming” or “chain posting”. I am very aware that it gets annoying from time to time but imo, the forums tend to be less active nowadays and i hate when it lacks activity or when people barely talk there that much. This makes the forums look empty and such. But that’s a different issue to focus about lol.

fun fact: this is one of the most active OT has ever been!

Karmine wrote:

They can stay as long as they stop spamming/breaking rules, which they won't if they're never punished for doing so.

1. one-liners (instead of elaborating in the first place, please always do this)
2. nonsense (also nonsense replying to nonsense)
3. off-topic posts in on-topic threads
4. basic chat conversations
5. must-comment when it doesn't contribute anything helpful

My Angel Anaxii wrote:

Back then that wasn't a problem lol

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

I think it would be cool if all of this was made more clear, like in an official post or something or by going into more detail in the Forum rules or something. That way people know exactly what not to do and what to report which I think will help with lessening these instances.

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

I think it would be cool if all of this was made more clear, like in an official post or something or by going into more detail in the Forum rules or something. That way people know exactly what not to do and what to report which I think will help with lessening these instances.

To me as an average forum user, things still feel unclear, which I'm also guessing is the same feeling Ymir had when making this thread.

My Angel Anaxii wrote:

Damn that’s a quite insane situation… Never expected people to be that upset about “post farming” or “chain posting”. I am very aware that it gets annoying from time to time but imo, the forums tend to be less active nowadays and i hate when it lacks activity or when people barely talk there that much. This makes the forums look empty and such. But that’s a different issue to focus about lol.

Blushing wrote:

I think something the general populous can help with, is if you think they are breaking rules, report it. The general osu! community doesn't have the power to enforce the rules, but we do have the power to alert those that are able to. Mods and above are not omniscient, they need some help and even may need time to deliberate on whether something is actionable. They also have to think of the situation in an unbiased manner, where the general osu! populous could be reporting in a bias manor.

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

Blushing wrote:

I think something the general populous can help with, is if you think they are breaking rules, report it. The general osu! community doesn't have the power to enforce the rules, but we do have the power to alert those that are able to. Mods and above are not omniscient, they need some help and even may need time to deliberate on whether something is actionable. They also have to think of the situation in an unbiased manner, where the general osu! populous could be reporting in a bias manor.

That's why I, as a member of the general osu community, would like to have some more clarity and official-ness to what I should look out for to report

Kobold84 wrote:

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

Blushing wrote:

I think something the general populous can help with, is if you think they are breaking rules, report it. The general osu! community doesn't have the power to enforce the rules, but we do have the power to alert those that are able to. Mods and above are not omniscient, they need some help and even may need time to deliberate on whether something is actionable. They also have to think of the situation in an unbiased manner, where the general osu! populous could be reporting in a bias manor.

That's why I, as a member of the general osu community, would like to have some more clarity and official-ness to what I should look out for to report

If you're bothered by something (or someone) and think it's worth a removal for whichever reason, report it. Simple as.
Trust me, forum reports are rare enough that you're never going to be overwhelming.

Karmine wrote:

Kobold84 wrote:

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:

Blushing wrote:

I think something the general populous can help with, is if you think they are breaking rules, report it. The general osu! community doesn't have the power to enforce the rules, but we do have the power to alert those that are able to. Mods and above are not omniscient, they need some help and even may need time to deliberate on whether something is actionable. They also have to think of the situation in an unbiased manner, where the general osu! populous could be reporting in a bias manor.

That's why I, as a member of the general osu community, would like to have some more clarity and official-ness to what I should look out for to report

If you're bothered by something (or someone) and think it's worth a removal for whichever reason, report it. Simple as.
Trust me, forum reports are rare enough that you're never going to be overwhelming.

Let's say someone does chainposting with a mix of necro, nonsense, one liners etc. should I report every message that applies or just one?

Stefan wrote:

You guys unironically need to get taught by the mods to report people spamming posts.

That's kinda nuts

Stefan wrote:

You guys unironically need to get taught by the mods to report people spamming posts.

That's kinda nuts

Jun Maeda wrote:

Easy solution: delete forums

Problem solved.

Karmine wrote:

Stefan wrote:

You guys unironically need to get taught by the mods to report people spamming posts.

That's kinda nuts

Mods unironically need to get taught by normal users how to moderate spam.

That's kinda nuts

Stefan wrote:

You guys unironically need to get taught by the mods to report people spamming posts.

That's kinda nuts

Ymir wrote:

Stefan wrote:

You guys unironically need to get taught by the mods to report people spamming posts.

That's kinda nuts

Considering the spamming rule is somewhat broad and hasn't really been clearly punished on the forums up until recently, you can't blame us for assuming that reporting such activity wouldn't actually work. That being said our lack of reports are still a major part of the issue, we just had our reasons.

Basically, we no longer have nuts.

Karmine wrote:

Ymir wrote:

Stefan wrote:

You guys unironically need to get taught by the mods to report people spamming posts.

That's kinda nuts

Considering the spamming rule is somewhat broad and hasn't really been clearly punished on the forums up until recently, you can't blame us for assuming that reporting such activity wouldn't actually work. That being said our lack of reports are still a major part of the issue, we just had our reasons.

Basically, we no longer have nuts.

Can't blame him for not knowing any of that, he's not been active for a very long time.
Kinda weird to jump in with a shit take like that though xD
But yeah clearly reporting wasn't working as intended, it seems to have changed a bit lately so let's hope it keeps going in that direction

Karmine wrote:

Ymir wrote:

Stefan wrote:

You guys unironically need to get taught by the mods to report people spamming posts.

That's kinda nuts

Considering the spamming rule is somewhat broad and hasn't really been clearly punished on the forums up until recently, you can't blame us for assuming that reporting such activity wouldn't actually work. That being said our lack of reports are still a major part of the issue, we just had our reasons.

Basically, we no longer have nuts.

Can't blame him for not knowing any of that, he's not been active for a very long time.
Kinda weird to jump in with a shit take like that though xD
But yeah clearly reporting wasn't working as intended, it seems to have changed a bit lately so let's hope it keeps going in that direction

Anaxii wrote:

this thread is a useful piece of information that's going to last eternally in the ocean of greatness that is OT.
ヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ

Patatitta wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

this thread is a useful piece of information that's going to last eternally in the ocean of greatness that is OT.
ヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ

spread positivity in ot!! ヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ

Reyalp51 wrote:

Patatitta wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

this thread is a useful piece of information that's going to last eternally in the ocean of greatness that is OT.
ヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ

spread positivity in ot!! ヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ

ヽ(*・ω・)ﾉ❤️❤️❤️

Ymir wrote:

least obvious bait

Anaxii wrote:

now i'm sure that if i chainpost in OT again, someone will necro this thread 💀

Blushing wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

now i'm sure that if i chainpost in OT again, someone will necro this thread 💀

fun fact: in your 412 days of existing in osu you have an average of 34 posts per day.

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Blushing wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

now i'm sure that if i chainpost in OT again, someone will necro this thread 💀

fun fact: in your 412 days of existing in osu you have an average of 34 posts per day.

aka it means it's time to touch grass

abraker wrote:

welp I'm late to the party

Patatitta wrote:

abraker wrote:

welp I'm late to the party

it's never too late to keep setting ot on fire

Anaxii wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Blushing wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

now i'm sure that if i chainpost in OT again, someone will necro this thread 💀

fun fact: in your 412 days of existing in osu you have an average of 34 posts per day.

aka it means it's time to touch grass

currently writing this while i'm outside lololol

Manishh wrote:

cant wait to read all of these at the time of the next scudded news episode

Kobold84 wrote:

Manishh wrote:

cant wait to read all of these at the time of the next scudded news episode

You should write down your notes now before it all comes down with the rain.