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The study of tsundere

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Kobold84

rough translation:to be a true tsundere you need blonde hair and twintails

I won't be talking about what tsunderes are, you should know it by now if you're even remotely interested in the Japanese fictional media. Now, the character type itself was studied thoroughly times and times again, but the topic of my personal study lies in an uncharted territory.

To preface, there are two types of tsunderes, at least I would like to believe there are two main types.
The first type are characters who initially are hostile towards the love interest, but over time they slowly became attached to them and become affectionate. They may still show-off some signs of "tsun" later in the story, but it's done in a teasing manner, essentially it's something they overcome within their character arc. Then there's the second type, these characters also start with hostility, but… they don't stop. Even after they have acquired mutual understanding with their love interest, their "tsun" side is still going rampant. Whenever the love interest is in their head space, tsunderes of this type immediately start being aggressive, which manifests itself in verbal abuse, harassment and sometimes open violence.

As you could've guessed, I'm going to be talking about the second type. I won't be going into details as to why their personality is like that, it's always some childhood trauma or mental illness, and it's different from character to character. More specifically, I will be delving into this topic with a preconception that tsundere characters are mentally ill. That's right, something in their brain is not operating properly and I will be examining what exactly.

There's a reactive side of your brain — mainly amygdala, hypothalamus and periaqueductal gray. These parts decide how you react to any outside influence, be it a threatening object or an adorable one. It is also related to the neural reward system, but I don't know what to make out of it yet. Evidently, tsunderes (of the second type) have issues with these areas of their brain, it's clearly abnormal to be causing pain (emotional or even physical) to someone you deeply care about. It's not just irrational, it doesn't align with how humans are biologically. All of this is very similar to a phenomenon called "cute aggression".

Cute aggression is an aggressive behaviour found in humans, it happens when they see something cute, such as a young animal or a baby. Namely, people then greet their teeth, think about how they want to destroy this thing, clench their fists, etc. This phenomenon really strikes me as familiar… You see a similar response in tsundere characters. There are multiple studies that try to answer how exactly does it happen, and among other things they examine the cute aggression phenomenon.

What happens is that people usually don't go from happiness (caused by cute stimuli) to aggression right away, most of the time they feel an "overload" of happiness from seeing cute things and then the brain picks up an appropriate response, that being a "threat". Why? Because the brain thinks that if something is causing an overload, that clearly must be a threat to your well-being. In tsundere characters this response happens to be an aggressive, violent behaviour, often exaggerated, but clearly a sign of a mental disorder.

tl;dr
In summary, my hypothesis is that a strong emotion of love causes the tsundere's brain to "overheat" in the sense that it becomes overloaded with emotions beyond measure, causing the brain to consider the object of love as a "threat" and then choose to respond with aggression, specifically aggression because they have a strong issue with the following parts of their brain — the amygdala, hypothalamus or periaqueductal gray matter.

Sources:
  1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3260787/
  2. https://escholarship.org/uc/item/1h093538
  3. https://clarkrelationshiplab.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Psychological%20Science-2015-Arag%C3%B3n-259-73.pdf
  4. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Yoshimi-Ohgami-2/publication/281311204_Source_Analysis_of_Stimulus-Preceding_Negativity_Constrained_by_Functional_Magnetic_Resonance_Imaging/links/63aa7ab503aad5368e43cbb2/Source-Analysis-of-Stimulus-Preceding-Negativity-Constrained-by-Functional-Magnetic-Resonance-Imaging.pdf
Behrauder
Is there a cure?
Topic Starter
Kobold84

Behrauder wrote:

Is there a cure?
With enough love, nothing is impossible.
Ymir
It's not like I like you or anything!
Reyalp51
i dont need to read all of that to know its hot
Patatitta
I don't think it's that clear cut tho, a lot of the time that response is also just an effect of teasing or just the protagonist being an aslshole, however, it's true that you have to be mentally ill at some level. Don't think it's necessarily connected to "overload" or whatever, just, probably someone with very little emotional control not knowing how to respond to a certain situation which they can see as negative even if they dont dislike the person
Corne2Plum3
Now list active people in OT who are tsundere ;) ?
synthwavesquid
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- Marco -

cephaphysic wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Now list active people in OT who are tsundere ;) ?
what about sorting people into other dere archetypes as well?
YES
abraker
B-B-BAAAAKAAAAA!

179bpm

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Now list active people in OT who are tsundere ;) ?
i rememver telling - umbreon - he was a tsundere when he was still around
lostsilver
i think i'm a bakadere (iirc they're very stupid) or maybe a deredere (ones that are really loving)
Nanofranne
Gotta do full rigorous scientific research on dere archetypes
Hydreigon

Kobold84 wrote:

rough translation:to be a true tsundere you need blonde hair and twintails

Kobold84 wrote:

tl;dr
In summary, my hypothesis is that a strong emotion of love causes the tsundere's brain to "overheat" in the sense that it becomes overloaded with emotions beyond measure, causing the brain to consider the object of love as a "threat" and then choose to respond with aggression, specifically aggression because they have a strong issue with the following parts of their brain — the amygdala, hypothalamus or periaqueductal gray matter.
or to simplfy it even more:



ANIME LOGIC.



okay thats enough anime for me today, time for some more cars!


1991 Toyota MR2 Turbo
Corne2Plum3

- Marco - wrote:

cephaphysic wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Now list active people in OT who are tsundere ;) ?
what about sorting people into other dere archetypes as well?
YES
YES
Reyalp51
tsun tsun
Karmine
So what you're saying is tsunderes need to understand The Concept of Love
Jun Maeda
You rike a fish?
Topic Starter
Kobold84

Patatitta wrote:

I don't think it's that clear cut tho, a lot of the time that response is also just an effect of teasing or just the protagonist being an aslshole, however, it's true that you have to be mentally ill at some level. Don't think it's necessarily connected to "overload" or whatever, just, probably someone with very little emotional control not knowing how to respond to a certain situation which they can see as negative even if they dont dislike the person
This doesn't really contradict my hypothesis, you look at it from the side of psychology and I'm from the side of neurology.

cephaphysic wrote:

Corne2Plum3 wrote:

Now list active people in OT who are tsundere ;) ?
what about sorting people into other dere archetypes as well?
:idea: :idea: :idea:
UPR
Neat essay, whats the VN?
Topic Starter
Kobold84

UPR wrote:

Neat essay, whats the VN?
Grisaia no Kajitsu, I strongly recommend reading it without any prior knowledge of its plot. One of the stories that you can only experience once (and there are 5 of them!). And don't watch the anime of it.
UPR

Kobold84 wrote:

UPR wrote:

Neat essay, whats the VN?
Grisaia no Kajitsu, I strongly recommend reading it without any prior knowledge of its plot. One of the stories that you can only experience once (and there are 5 of them!). And don't watch the anime of it.
Yes sir mr. boss man o7
Rhythm32
I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
lostsilver

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
i'm pretty sure she is
yuri is yandere
Topic Starter
Kobold84

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
Yeah, she is a tsundere type.
Reyalp51

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
lolicon
Rhythm32

Reyalp51 wrote:

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
lolicon
¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
synthwavesquid
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lostsilver

cephaphysic wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
i'm pretty sure she is
yuri is yandere
yeah. i wouldn't call yuri a yandere though, since the way she acts later on is because of monika exaggerating everyone's worst traits. it's not really an accurate reflection of her personality. she's more of a dandere imo

monika is 100% a yandere
I MEANT TO PUT MONIKA I WAS JUST TIRED AAAA
but yea yuri def is a dandere!!!
i was just stupid and called yuri a yandere instead of monika-
Hydreigon

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)




B-Baka, Eat my cupcakes!

Or i'll snap my-


-


lostsilver wrote:

cephaphysic wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
i'm pretty sure she is
yuri is yandere
yeah. i wouldn't call yuri a yandere though, since the way she acts later on is because of monika exaggerating everyone's worst traits. it's not really an accurate reflection of her personality. she's more of a dandere imo

monika is 100% a yandere
I MEANT TO PUT MONIKA I WAS JUST TIRED AAAA
but yea yuri def is a dandere!!!
i was just stupid and called yuri a yandere instead of monika-
Yup so:

Sayori is Deredere
Natsuki is Tsundere
Yuri is Dandere being all shy and best girl
Monika is Yandere because she is best girl
lostsilver

Hydreigon wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

cephaphysic wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Rhythm32 wrote:

I have a question

Is "Natsuki" from DDLC considered a tsundere???

Tbh I got a crush on her and started liking her when I first started playing DDLC. To a point in which I downloaded an exclusive Natsuki mod.
(⁠ ̄⁠ヘ⁠ ̄⁠;⁠)
i'm pretty sure she is
yuri is yandere
yeah. i wouldn't call yuri a yandere though, since the way she acts later on is because of monika exaggerating everyone's worst traits. it's not really an accurate reflection of her personality. she's more of a dandere imo

monika is 100% a yandere
I MEANT TO PUT MONIKA I WAS JUST TIRED AAAA
but yea yuri def is a dandere!!!
i was just stupid and called yuri a yandere instead of monika-
Yup so:

Sayori is Deredere
Natsuki is Tsundere
Yuri is Dandere being all shy and best girl
Monika is Yandere because she is best girl
YURI IS BEST GIRL YES
Offdensen
thanks to you im actually gonna get therapy and seek a normal life
Reyalp51

Dyllion wrote:

thanks to you im actually gonna get therapy and seek a normal life
No dont do that, join us instead
Offdensen

Reyalp51 wrote:

Dyllion wrote:

thanks to you im actually gonna get therapy and seek a normal life
No dont do that, join us instead
hell no im good actually thanks im fine with my manager man
Jangsoodlor

Reyalp51 wrote:

i dont need to read all of that to know its hot

Reyalp51 wrote:

Dyllion wrote:

thanks to you im actually gonna get therapy and seek a normal life
No dont do that, join us instead
The thought of Tsunderes stepping on you while demeaning you and then blushing and saying "it's not that I hate you or anything" is kinda hot ngl
Reyalp51

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Reyalp51 wrote:

i dont need to read all of that to know its hot

Reyalp51 wrote:

Dyllion wrote:

thanks to you im actually gonna get therapy and seek a normal life
No dont do that, join us instead
The thought of Tsunderes stepping on you while demeaning you and then blushing and saying "it's not that I hate you or anything" is kinda hot ngl
anaxii
yandere > tsundere
Jangsoodlor

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere
NO
Isshiki Kaname
deredere is better
Reyalp51

KatouMegumi wrote:

deredere is better
you have bad taste
Isshiki Kaname

Reyalp51 wrote:

KatouMegumi wrote:

deredere is better
you have bad taste
Nah. It's only you who has bad manners of judging people for liking things different to your own liking.
Reyalp51

KatouMegumi wrote:

Reyalp51 wrote:

KatouMegumi wrote:

deredere is better
you have bad taste
Nah. It's only you who has bad manners of judging people for liking things different to your own liking.
tomboy better
Hydreigon

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere

Hydreigon wrote:

Yuri is Dandere being all shy and best girl
Monika is Yandere because she is best girl


anaxii

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere
NO
i even made a tierlist for that

Jangsoodlor

Anaxii wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere
NO
i even made a tierlist for that

dandere trash....



WYM SHE'S TRASH!??!??!???
Corne2Plum3
Is anyone able to sort OT! users by dere types?
lostsilver

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere
NO
i even made a tierlist for that

dandere trash....



WYM SHE'S TRASH!??!??!???
FRICK YOU ANAXII
anaxii

lostsilver wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere
NO
i even made a tierlist for that

dandere trash....



WYM SHE'S TRASH!??!??!???
FRICK YOU ANAXII
i think i confused them with kuudere LMAOOOOOOOOOO

kuudere = TRASH
dandere = OK
lostsilver

Anaxii wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere
NO
i even made a tierlist for that

dandere trash....



WYM SHE'S TRASH!??!??!???
FRICK YOU ANAXII
i think i confused them with kuudere LMAOOOOOOOOOO

kuudere = TRASH
dandere = OK
yuri is a dandere
so it's good that you clarified that you messed up
Reyalp51

Anaxii wrote:

lostsilver wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

yandere > tsundere
NO
i even made a tierlist for that

dandere trash....



WYM SHE'S TRASH!??!??!???
FRICK YOU ANAXII
i think i confused them with kuudere LMAOOOOOOOOOO

kuudere = TRASH
dandere = OK
WDYM KUUDERES ARE THE BEST
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