I watched it with my family a few years back, I don't really want to rewatch it, but I remember enjoying itabraker wrote:
when you get the chance watch The Orville
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watch the death note musical
second pick: The ExpansePatatitta wrote:
I watched it with my family a few years back, I don't really want to rewatch it, but I remember enjoying itabraker wrote:
when you get the chance watch The Orville
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actually same story, but yeah, 6 season, a bit too much to rewatch for this threadabraker wrote:
second pick: The ExpansePatatitta wrote:
I watched it with my family a few years back, I don't really want to rewatch it, but I remember enjoying itabraker wrote:
when you get the chance watch The Orville
deniedDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
watch the death note musical
why 😭Patatitta wrote:
deniedDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
watch the death note musical
Also i think your tier list might be broken, there's some stuff in the d tier that's also in higher tiers
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yeah, I can confirm, let me fix itDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
Also i think your tier list might be broken, there's some stuff in the d tier that's also in higher tiers
edit: fixed
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Who's Lila
Before we even start, I've said, like, 9 times in this thread, please don't recommend horror games, I do not like them, and what is this?, an horror game, so fuck you
Who's Lila is a short indie horror game with ARG elements. The gameplay is like a standard point and click game, with moments were you have to manually change your facial expression, since you cant do that by your own. I'm mixed on this game
The game consits of 15 endings, each ending is fairly short, taking less than 10 minutes per ending, note that there really aren't 15 endings, as some endings require other endings as prerequisites, and the game expects you to get most of the endings, not just one, so it's more like 15 loops rather than 15 endings, but that is just a nitpick on the term
The story itself isn't linear, it's closer to an anthology of possibilities and abstract imagery, the goal of the game in many ways is to understand the story itself, understand what is actually going on, and understand why the story is presented in that way.
If I had to compare the actual plot of the game to anything, it would be to an SCP. In many ways, this game feels like an interactive SCP article, there is a bunch of stuff in this game about the paranormal and scientific documents on certain horror creatures
This isn't a type of storytelling I vibe with very much. I enjoy complex stories, but what I enjoy about that type of stories is mostly the implications it has, what it has to say about the real world, what ideals does it push. This is a complex story yes, but this is closer to a classic sherlock holmes novel in that regard, the point is solving the mistery, it's ideal that you have a notebook or a google documment where you take notes and try to piece the mistery, since the actual joy of the game is figuring out the mistery that is the story
I don't think it's badly done in any regard. The story never really gives you any concrete answer, and it's mostly left to interpretation, I think this is good. A problem with classic mystery novels is that instead of stopping and trying to solve it yourself, you can just keep reading, since the mistery will be explained to you by the end of the book. By not giving a clear solution, it forces the player to think, to actually take part in that discovery aspect. The fact that there are multiple explanations also leads to discussions and conversations, where you may end up arriving with a third, entirerily new idea, it's just, I don't like puzzles very much. Even the mistery stories I enjoy, I do not really try to solve the mistery myself, they just engage me with the narrative and I want to see how it continues, I don't really stop to solve it myself, I get joy from seeing the detective of the novel solve it themselves.
In the topic of puzzles, a good chunk of the game endings require you to look outside the game itself. Go into websites, go into acertain folders, download other programs, etc. You're going to be AMAZED what I have to say about this, you probably wont see it coming, I don't enjoy it very much either, a lot of it is for the same reasons I have already explained, but I also generally find them to be very frustrating at times.
When you're on a regular puzzle game or even on a murder mistery type of story, the rules of the mistery are clear. You know what is fair game, what it isn't. I know what is part of the puzzle, what things aren't part of the puzzle, and what actions can I take to try to solve it. With ARGs it's different, by making the area of the puzzle literally anywhere, it's not so clear where to look, because a lot of time, the puzzle is looking in the right place. I fidn this frustrating, because whenever I struggle with that type of puzzle, I always go "oh, I didn't expect to look there, that's annoying", I don't get the satisfaction of actually solving it.
Thing is, i'm not the demographic for this game, the demographic for this game is someone who is into internet horror, who is into SCPs and 2 hour long youtube videos explainign icebergs or lost media or ARGs. And it's just, that demographic WOULD enjoy all of these things, but I am not, I do not like these things
I'm not going to put in D because I recognize the game is well done and executed, it achieves what it tries to do very well, I just don't like what it's trying to do
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Before we even start, I've said, like, 9 times in this thread, please don't recommend horror games, I do not like them, and what is this?, an horror game, so fuck you
Who's Lila is a short indie horror game with ARG elements. The gameplay is like a standard point and click game, with moments were you have to manually change your facial expression, since you cant do that by your own. I'm mixed on this game
The game consits of 15 endings, each ending is fairly short, taking less than 10 minutes per ending, note that there really aren't 15 endings, as some endings require other endings as prerequisites, and the game expects you to get most of the endings, not just one, so it's more like 15 loops rather than 15 endings, but that is just a nitpick on the term
The story itself isn't linear, it's closer to an anthology of possibilities and abstract imagery, the goal of the game in many ways is to understand the story itself, understand what is actually going on, and understand why the story is presented in that way.
If I had to compare the actual plot of the game to anything, it would be to an SCP. In many ways, this game feels like an interactive SCP article, there is a bunch of stuff in this game about the paranormal and scientific documents on certain horror creatures
This isn't a type of storytelling I vibe with very much. I enjoy complex stories, but what I enjoy about that type of stories is mostly the implications it has, what it has to say about the real world, what ideals does it push. This is a complex story yes, but this is closer to a classic sherlock holmes novel in that regard, the point is solving the mistery, it's ideal that you have a notebook or a google documment where you take notes and try to piece the mistery, since the actual joy of the game is figuring out the mistery that is the story
I don't think it's badly done in any regard. The story never really gives you any concrete answer, and it's mostly left to interpretation, I think this is good. A problem with classic mystery novels is that instead of stopping and trying to solve it yourself, you can just keep reading, since the mistery will be explained to you by the end of the book. By not giving a clear solution, it forces the player to think, to actually take part in that discovery aspect. The fact that there are multiple explanations also leads to discussions and conversations, where you may end up arriving with a third, entirerily new idea, it's just, I don't like puzzles very much. Even the mistery stories I enjoy, I do not really try to solve the mistery myself, they just engage me with the narrative and I want to see how it continues, I don't really stop to solve it myself, I get joy from seeing the detective of the novel solve it themselves.
In the topic of puzzles, a good chunk of the game endings require you to look outside the game itself. Go into websites, go into acertain folders, download other programs, etc. You're going to be AMAZED what I have to say about this, you probably wont see it coming, I don't enjoy it very much either, a lot of it is for the same reasons I have already explained, but I also generally find them to be very frustrating at times.
When you're on a regular puzzle game or even on a murder mistery type of story, the rules of the mistery are clear. You know what is fair game, what it isn't. I know what is part of the puzzle, what things aren't part of the puzzle, and what actions can I take to try to solve it. With ARGs it's different, by making the area of the puzzle literally anywhere, it's not so clear where to look, because a lot of time, the puzzle is looking in the right place. I fidn this frustrating, because whenever I struggle with that type of puzzle, I always go "oh, I didn't expect to look there, that's annoying", I don't get the satisfaction of actually solving it.
Thing is, i'm not the demographic for this game, the demographic for this game is someone who is into internet horror, who is into SCPs and 2 hour long youtube videos explainign icebergs or lost media or ARGs. And it's just, that demographic WOULD enjoy all of these things, but I am not, I do not like these things
I'm not going to put in D because I recognize the game is well done and executed, it achieves what it tries to do very well, I just don't like what it's trying to do
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nothing left for me, queue empty
Oh shit, well here's a small assortment of series or manga I remember as varying degrees of decent
Great Pretender
Houseki no Kuni
Pluto
Konosuba
Banana Fish
Great Pretender
Houseki no Kuni
Pluto
Konosuba
Banana Fish
you can read "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (Book)
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the only one I haven't seen is great pretender, will write about the other 4 soonTeeArctic1 wrote:
Oh shit, well here's a small assortment of series or manga I remember as varying degrees of decent
Great Pretender
Houseki no Kuni
Pluto
Konosuba
Banana Fish
can do yeahNyzhenets wrote:
you can read "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (Book)
watch nisemonogatari
grrrrrrrrPatatitta wrote:
actually same story, but yeah, 6 season, a bit too much to rewatch for this threadabraker wrote:
second pick: The ExpansePatatitta wrote:
I watched it with my family a few years back, I don't really want to rewatch it, but I remember enjoying itabraker wrote:
when you get the chance watch The Orville
ok ok, Murder Drones
Topic Starter
I don't think I'm going to like but I can watch murder dronesabraker wrote:
grrrrrrrrPatatitta wrote:
actually same story, but yeah, 6 season, a bit too much to rewatch for this threadabraker wrote:
second pick: The ExpansePatatitta wrote:
I watched it with my family a few years back, I don't really want to rewatch it, but I remember enjoying itabraker wrote:
when you get the chance watch The Orville
ok ok, Murder Drones
deniedJangsoodlor wrote:
watch nisemonogatari
Topic Starter
-----------------TeeArctic1 wrote:
Oh shit, well here's a small assortment of series or manga I remember as varying degrees of decent
Great Pretender
Houseki no Kuni
Pluto
Konosuba
Banana Fish
Houseki No Kuni
This is probably one of the most original mangas ever written and probably among one of the best modern manga or manga in general
HNK is about this little planet surrounded by many moons, in the small planet there is a species of humanoid, sentient gemstones, all of the characters are different rocks, phosphophyllite, antarcticite, padparadscha, etc. no, this has nothing to do with steven universe). They are very small in number, and the moon people wants to hunt them
This manga tackles many interesting topics, for one, the biology of the gemstones is very different to our biology, they don't have vital organs. Every single part of their body can be replaced if they have the right material. However, their memories are spread evenly across their body, so, if you were to lose an arm, and replace it with a new one, in the process, you have also lost memories.
That really reminds me of the ship of Theseus, how many body parts can you replace, how much can you forget, before you start being a different person?. HNK doesn't really aim to answer that question, if the reader wants to answer that themselves, they're welcome, but HNK focuses more on the consequences of that. Let's say I help you in the past, then, I lose an arm, and completely lose all my memories of that event, not only that, but I also lose the memories that made me act that way in that situation to begin with, in fact, if I was now in the same situation, I probably would have acted in a different way, yet, you still trust me, you know I have lost an arm yet you still trust me, that relationship, that friendship, is now unfounded, it's closer to blind faith than anything
The emotional arc of phos is based on that, in many ways, this allows phos to do many things that we would consider horrible, but, we can't blame phos for it. Because we recognize she doesn't have the same information, and we can't expect someone to walk in eggshells their entire life, she doesn't know how much she has forgotten, she doesn't know how many times she has lost body parts, for her, the only reality, the only thing that she can trust is what she can see with her own eyes right now.
Now, that isn't the only really fucking cool thing that HNK does, i'm pretty sure this doesn't appear on the anime as of yet but we also havethe praying machine, which i'm not going into because i'm not smart enough, I haven't studied enough, to really understand and communicate all of the themes and intention of that part of the plot outside a very superficial level, you can probably make a 20 page essay just on the praying machine alone
Outside that, the art is also peak. As I said many times, having good art isn't just being really good at drawing, you need to give space for the art to flourish, to connect the plot to the art in a way that you have really memorable panels, HNK nails this, HNK probably has some of the best art pieces i've ever seen, the drawing style is very unique
HNK LOVES using negative space, this is when instead of just painting what you wish to picture, you paint everything BUT that, so the space that doesn't have ink on it, is the actual drawing, here is an example
This is a full page panel, using a technique that almost no other manga uses, really well drawn, where the context of the history makes that panel HIT, so like, what the fuck more do you wish
A lot of other mangas, when they have a big panel, they don't really include dialogue, this is understandable, as often having too much text can be visually unappealing, this is actually something american comics suffers a lot from, this is an example from the fantastic four comic
HNK does include text in some of their big moments, but, they often only include a single sentence, which honestly is so fucking cool, (this is a panel from very late in the manga, should not spoil anything, but i'm boxing it anyways)
Also, this manga probably has one of the greatest flexes of all time?, , the last volume had many delays, and the very last chapter, featured this panel
and well, I will let this other image explain why this is crazy
like what the actual fuck
Easy S rank
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Pluto
my dad likes this anime
Pluto is probably my least favourite work from urusawa naoki (from what I have read), but, come on, it's still naoki, that guy shits gold
Pluto is a science fiction manga directly inspired by Osamu Tezuka Astroboy, one of the first ever anime, just, with more adult themes and topics, the original manga was released in 2003, the anime, in 2023, this is important, because it's amazing how well pluto predicts certain things, for a science fiction story to stay relevant this much time, that is impressive
There isn't much of the influence of tezuka in this manga, they just take the general idea of astroboy and runs with it. The plot follows a detective that is investigating some murders which they believe were caused by a robot, pluto
A large part of the manga focuses on well, robots and artificial intelligence, about robot rights and how humanity perceives them, and about the politics involved in all of that. The way naoki tackles this is very grounded unlike some other science fiction, one of my favourite scenes involves a guy that has a robot that plays the piano, and the robot tries to play a song for the guy, the guy gets angry, talks about he's profaning the piano, about how those melodies are empty, and that a robot will never be able to compose real music
This is exactly the situation we are right now LMAO, the only real difference is that, in pluto, robots don't operate like search engines, they operate like humans, while they likely aren't conscious, they do act like if they had one, so in the end of that scene, the man accepts the robot, and starts coexisting with it
In many ways, that is the defining factor. Currently, we can't get attached to an AI because they're all digital, but here, they're physical and smarter. They move and aren't scary, so, humans will end up developing an attachment to them.
I would say more about it but like I watched it 2 years ago and I don't remember exact details but I enjoyed it and I think it's cool placed in A rank
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Konosuba:
this sucks big dicks
konosuba is a fantasy isekai comedy anime that aims to be a parody of the genre, this fails. When you're parodying something, you have an intention behind it, it's a critique, you aim to say something, in many ways, konosuba doesn't seem like it's really shitting on the isekai genre, rather, it's embracing it, all of the tropes most isekai has, konosuba does it times 100
the anime doesn't have any real plot, it's all based on the comedy
let me showcase some of the jokes of season 1
The loli character talking about she likes big strong sticks (Their staff)
The protagonist sexually harassing the rest of the party by using their "steal" ability to take peoples panties
The whole character of darkness just bases on her being a masochist and getting sexually aroused by being hurt
all of the jokes are sex
I do not vibe with this type of comedy, I just fucking hate every single character in konosuba and wish they burn in hell
this would go on how could you do this to me if I hadn't watched it already, but since I have, just placed in D tier
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Banana Fish
Banana Fish is the OG fujoshi manga, the plot itself is about gangs and conspiracies and that sort of stuff, but like, this is still a shoujo
I don't really know what to say about this manga?, like, it's just pretty standard, it's very old for a manga, it's from 1985, I don't really have strong opinions about banana fish, I enjoyed it, I know people go crazy shipping characters, I don't really engage with that, so like have fun I guess
placed in B tier
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sureJangsoodlor wrote:
watch Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
I'd advise to watch Kizumonogatari first if you were to keep him with Monogatari but well... doubt patata would accept.Jangsoodlor wrote:
watch nisemonogatari
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yeah, I would still denyNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
I'd advise to watch Kizumonogatari first if you were to keep him with Monogatari but well... doubt patata would accept.Jangsoodlor wrote:
watch nisemonogatari
I doubt that would work considering the uh.... "radical" direction style even by monogatari standardsNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
I'd advise to watch Kizumonogatari first if you were to keep him with Monogatari but well... doubt patata would accept.Jangsoodlor wrote:
watch nisemonogatari
It's still the next work in novel order though.Jangsoodlor wrote:
I doubt that would work considering the uh.... "radical" direction style even by monogatari standardsNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
I'd advise to watch Kizumonogatari first if you were to keep him with Monogatari but well... doubt patata would accept.Jangsoodlor wrote:
watch nisemonogatari
Watch "Josee, the Tiger, and the Fish" (the anime movie one, 2020)
Go for it!Patatitta wrote:
I don't think I'm going to like but I can watch murder dronesabraker wrote:
grrrrrrrrPatatitta wrote:
actually same story, but yeah, 6 season, a bit too much to rewatch for this threadabraker wrote:
second pick: The ExpansePatatitta wrote:
I watched it with my family a few years back, I don't really want to rewatch it, but I remember enjoying itabraker wrote:
when you get the chance watch The Orville
ok ok, Murder Drones
Also has a lot henry stickmin vibes
where is it in the tierlistPatatitta wrote:
me lo he leido, me voy a pegar un tiroNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
Analiza la rata con thinner.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MAAU/comments/ebmox9/la_rata_con_tinner/
CW: No lo leas si estás comiendo o acabas de comer.
Topic Starter
not putting itNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
where is it in the tierlistPatatitta wrote:
me lo he leido, me voy a pegar un tiroNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
Analiza la rata con thinner.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MAAU/comments/ebmox9/la_rata_con_tinner/
CW: No lo leas si estás comiendo o acabas de comer.
already seen the movie, will do laterreffty_gag wrote:
Watch "Josee, the Tiger, and the Fish" (the anime movie one, 2020)
Topic Starter
Josee, the Tiger and the Fish
This is a standalone anime romance movie about this universitary student falling in love with a disabled woman. I really liked it
It's definitively in the same line as a silent voice or I want to eat your pancreas, just, overall way happier. But it is a complicated romance and very bittersweet at times, sacrifices had to be made in order for the relationship to work.
This is a fairly unusual setting for this type of stories, first of all, it's not set in a highschool, yes, the guy is going to college, but the movie is way more focused on joining the workforce, there really isn't any scene that really happens in the college
In many ways the fact that girl is disabled is percieved as something cute, the girl has dreams she cant really achieve by her own, so the guy has to care for her and stuff, this isn't exactly the case in this movie, as the guy is also very much dependant on her, maybe to a lesser extent, but there is also some weakness showcased from the male side, for example, the male protagonist is financially dependant on the girl for most of the movie, I like this, it adds a lot of depth to each of the characters and it makes it feel more grouded. No character is really a martyr for the other
Placed in A rank
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i'm both halfway through great pretender and the first book of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
This is a standalone anime romance movie about this universitary student falling in love with a disabled woman. I really liked it
It's definitively in the same line as a silent voice or I want to eat your pancreas, just, overall way happier. But it is a complicated romance and very bittersweet at times, sacrifices had to be made in order for the relationship to work.
This is a fairly unusual setting for this type of stories, first of all, it's not set in a highschool, yes, the guy is going to college, but the movie is way more focused on joining the workforce, there really isn't any scene that really happens in the college
In many ways the fact that girl is disabled is percieved as something cute, the girl has dreams she cant really achieve by her own, so the guy has to care for her and stuff, this isn't exactly the case in this movie, as the guy is also very much dependant on her, maybe to a lesser extent, but there is also some weakness showcased from the male side, for example, the male protagonist is financially dependant on the girl for most of the movie, I like this, it adds a lot of depth to each of the characters and it makes it feel more grouded. No character is really a martyr for the other
Placed in A rank
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i'm both halfway through great pretender and the first book of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
Topic Starter
Great Pretender
TLDR:
this started fairly strong but it went to shit
Great pretender is a anime about a scam artist that gets tricked into participating in larger fraud ring, the start is fairly strong, the animation is pretty, thing is, they don't know how to follow it up
this anime doesn't really have an endgoal, it doesn't really foreshadows anything, there are a bunch of arcs that showcase different scam methods and then they randomly go "oh this is the final arc btw" and the anime just ends. It's just aimless
there is also a bit of competition between the two main characters, but instead of having this intense psychological battles like a lot of other mistery animes have, at the end of the arc they just go OH I HAD PLANNED THIS ALL ALONG and then the other responds OH WELL I HAD PLANNED THAT YOU WOULD PLAN THAT YOU FUCKER. It gets to a point where it's just so extreme it's not even funny, there really isn't any merit to having an entire arc happen and at the end say "well I planned that", you're just saying it, but me as the viewer didn't really feel it. It kinda just feels like bullshit.
This anime isn't very original at times too. There is a moment in the story where the protagonist finishes a scam and then he offers himself to the police, he serves 4 years of jail time, and after that they claim they want to live a normal life, but he gets roped into the scam once again. This general scene isn't really that well done, they don't really sell you as the viewer the fact that they're actually going to quit, because there are many scenes during that period that just showcases the other characters finding the stage for a new scam, point is, that the "I quit but acutally they roped me again" thing happens like 3 times during this anime"
Also, remember when I said the art is good?, well, it seems like it was TOO good, because the studio couldn't keep up. Like really, I don't know if there were production issues during the anime, but this anime uses recaps WAY too much, a chapter starts with like a 5 minute recap of the entire anime. That's not the only example of reusing recaps tho, a lot of times they have flashbacks to things that happened like an episode or two ago where they just reuse scenes, I think they just didn't have the time to really animate new scenes
The plot and characters seem very improvised?, like, you have a character, they act a certain way, then they showcase the backstory of that character, which implies the character would act a different way and then they just start acting that way after the flashback. Like, the backstory didn't seem to actually have an impact on the character until it got shown on screen, also, as I said, the show doesn't really build up to anything and the end is kinda horrendous
sadly placed in D tier
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next: murder drones
still reading book
TLDR:
this started fairly strong but it went to shit
Great pretender is a anime about a scam artist that gets tricked into participating in larger fraud ring, the start is fairly strong, the animation is pretty, thing is, they don't know how to follow it up
this anime doesn't really have an endgoal, it doesn't really foreshadows anything, there are a bunch of arcs that showcase different scam methods and then they randomly go "oh this is the final arc btw" and the anime just ends. It's just aimless
there is also a bit of competition between the two main characters, but instead of having this intense psychological battles like a lot of other mistery animes have, at the end of the arc they just go OH I HAD PLANNED THIS ALL ALONG and then the other responds OH WELL I HAD PLANNED THAT YOU WOULD PLAN THAT YOU FUCKER. It gets to a point where it's just so extreme it's not even funny, there really isn't any merit to having an entire arc happen and at the end say "well I planned that", you're just saying it, but me as the viewer didn't really feel it. It kinda just feels like bullshit.
This anime isn't very original at times too. There is a moment in the story where the protagonist finishes a scam and then he offers himself to the police, he serves 4 years of jail time, and after that they claim they want to live a normal life, but he gets roped into the scam once again. This general scene isn't really that well done, they don't really sell you as the viewer the fact that they're actually going to quit, because there are many scenes during that period that just showcases the other characters finding the stage for a new scam, point is, that the "I quit but acutally they roped me again" thing happens like 3 times during this anime"
Also, remember when I said the art is good?, well, it seems like it was TOO good, because the studio couldn't keep up. Like really, I don't know if there were production issues during the anime, but this anime uses recaps WAY too much, a chapter starts with like a 5 minute recap of the entire anime. That's not the only example of reusing recaps tho, a lot of times they have flashbacks to things that happened like an episode or two ago where they just reuse scenes, I think they just didn't have the time to really animate new scenes
The plot and characters seem very improvised?, like, you have a character, they act a certain way, then they showcase the backstory of that character, which implies the character would act a different way and then they just start acting that way after the flashback. Like, the backstory didn't seem to actually have an impact on the character until it got shown on screen, also, as I said, the show doesn't really build up to anything and the end is kinda horrendous
sadly placed in D tier
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next: murder drones
still reading book
Topic Starter
Murder Drones
I'm sorry abraker, you have been infected with... the brainrot.
Murder Drones is absolutely and completely awful at every single level and I haven't really ever seen a show that is bad in this exact specific way
murder drones is a comedy action drama mistery horror thriller 3d animated youtube show produced by GLITCH, the company which is now making the amazing digital circus.
It's about this angst teenage girl who goes outside the limits of where she lived in and gets roped into an adventure. Credit where credit is due, the animation is fairly solid and the music is pretty good. But everything else, it's awful.
Murder drones isn't consistent, it tries doing many, many different things at once, it touches almost every genre known to man, kinda imitating the tropes and some scenes that are considered cool in shows of those other genres, you have your typical action fight scenes, the cool guy walking away from a explosion, saying "i'm in" after hacking something, but it also tries to be scary at times, having very quiet moments with jumpscares, which makes contrast to the comedy most of the show has, mixed with all of this you have a lot of shots where a character does something and they do not explain it to you so it kinda feels myterious and you get gist
That, combined with the high animation budget sells you the image of quality, this is a high budget production that does things that you've seen better shows and movies do, so therefore, this must also be good. Also, by touching so many different aspects you're creating a lot of broad appeal. You would think that also touching every single genre would discourage people from watching the show as some core elements wouldn't be appealing to then, but don't worry about that!, there isn't an inch of depth to it, remember, it's just the IMAGE of quality. This show isn't really ever scary, or tense, or has the best action, so if you don't like some of those elements it's easy to tune out because it's really not important
It's also important that we discuss some of the meta elements for this show. This is a youtube, animated show, available for free, aimed for children. So this is the breeding ground for a fandom. It doesn't matter if the show isn't deep by it's own, the fandom will convience you it has.
The characters are all flat as fuck, there isn't much growth on any of them. For example, the entire personality trait of the protagonist is "I am an angsty teenager", it sucks. Not only that, but there are way too many characters, which is hell for a casual watcher for me, but good if you were, let's say, in a fandom that will obsess over the most random secondary character
The only element that is really consistent through the entire show is the comedy, this has very marvel-type humor, of "he's behind me right now" or the jumpscares being literally "this is a jumpscare" and the characters being like "yeah i'm an angsty teenager that's my personality trait" but man, just acknowledging it as a joke doesn't fix that problem
This show also features memes, it has "perfectly cut screams" it has "cool 3d emoji with sunglasses", it does the funny pose with the finger that you saw in that one gif. This isn't going to age well, memes are very volatile, it's already a bit painful when you watch a old show or whatever and see a episode about planking or the ice bucket challenge. In fact, one of the lessons we as a society have learnt is that making episodes and featuring memes is a bad idea. That's why you see a lot of episodes about old internet memes, but then less and less with newer jokes.
So, why did this show did it?. Well, even if I don't like this fact, memes run the world. If you see memes about something, you assume it's good, because if not, why are there memes about it?, memes act both as marketing and as a way to change the perspective on that certain thing, and by already featuring current memes, you're facilitating people screenshotting those moments and sending them around.
You (probably wont) say "hey patatitta, but you're an hypocrite!, you're a super big fan of undertale 2 and super assfuck rpg, those are shitpost too!", and you would be only half right, they're shitposts, the comedy has the same energy as a traditional absurd shitpost, the difference is that (most of) the jokes these games make are original, they're not basing themselves on what meme is trendy at the moment, it has the overall shitpost aesthetic but on it's core is closer to traditional comedy in the sense that it's not repeating a punchline but actually creating something new, in fact, probably the most famous joke in undertale 2, at least the most iconic one I've seen while talking to people is the "paint on some letters" part of the game
Thing is, not every show can use memes in this way, damien chazelle cant just go and make shitposts for their next movie, they're different demographics, thing is, that memes for youtube shows work. Another advantage of being on youtube is that well, you have a lot of people talking about it, so if you have a big youtuber you follow talk about the show, you will assume it's good.
Now, the acutal message of the show is "embrace cringe!, you're not harming anyone so it's not bad!", I agree with this message, but not in this context. It's different accepting the more cringy aspects of your personality and hanging out with people that respect you for who you are than using that as justification that this show is peak and that you just have to turn your brain off
I don't really like the way glitch is handling their fandom either, checking the comments on the videos I often saw comments like "this is better than anything netflix puts out" "I can't believe such high quality content exists on youtube for free, they're so nice", these are often the top comments, this overall train of thought is bad, they're claiming that this type of content is peak and that everything is else is kinda ass, they're tying you to that community, thing is, this type of thought benefits the company
They have also coaxed the term "indie animation", claiming that we must protect it and let it flourish, which I agree, but they have recontextualized the term, indie animation doesn't just mean all indie animations, it just means those very high budged animated youtube shows. Some indie animation or animation made by a single person such as "it's such a beautiful day" by don hertzfeldt are left out of the conversation because that doesn't really benefit them.
also I don't generally like selling merchandising of a show when it isn't even fully out?
This show is brainrot slop with painful jokes and that tries to gaslight you that this is acutally peak
Placed in how could you do this to me.
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next: Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
Still reading book
I'm sorry abraker, you have been infected with... the brainrot.
Murder Drones is absolutely and completely awful at every single level and I haven't really ever seen a show that is bad in this exact specific way
murder drones is a comedy action drama mistery horror thriller 3d animated youtube show produced by GLITCH, the company which is now making the amazing digital circus.
It's about this angst teenage girl who goes outside the limits of where she lived in and gets roped into an adventure. Credit where credit is due, the animation is fairly solid and the music is pretty good. But everything else, it's awful.
Murder drones isn't consistent, it tries doing many, many different things at once, it touches almost every genre known to man, kinda imitating the tropes and some scenes that are considered cool in shows of those other genres, you have your typical action fight scenes, the cool guy walking away from a explosion, saying "i'm in" after hacking something, but it also tries to be scary at times, having very quiet moments with jumpscares, which makes contrast to the comedy most of the show has, mixed with all of this you have a lot of shots where a character does something and they do not explain it to you so it kinda feels myterious and you get gist
That, combined with the high animation budget sells you the image of quality, this is a high budget production that does things that you've seen better shows and movies do, so therefore, this must also be good. Also, by touching so many different aspects you're creating a lot of broad appeal. You would think that also touching every single genre would discourage people from watching the show as some core elements wouldn't be appealing to then, but don't worry about that!, there isn't an inch of depth to it, remember, it's just the IMAGE of quality. This show isn't really ever scary, or tense, or has the best action, so if you don't like some of those elements it's easy to tune out because it's really not important
It's also important that we discuss some of the meta elements for this show. This is a youtube, animated show, available for free, aimed for children. So this is the breeding ground for a fandom. It doesn't matter if the show isn't deep by it's own, the fandom will convience you it has.
The characters are all flat as fuck, there isn't much growth on any of them. For example, the entire personality trait of the protagonist is "I am an angsty teenager", it sucks. Not only that, but there are way too many characters, which is hell for a casual watcher for me, but good if you were, let's say, in a fandom that will obsess over the most random secondary character
The only element that is really consistent through the entire show is the comedy, this has very marvel-type humor, of "he's behind me right now" or the jumpscares being literally "this is a jumpscare" and the characters being like "yeah i'm an angsty teenager that's my personality trait" but man, just acknowledging it as a joke doesn't fix that problem
This show also features memes, it has "perfectly cut screams" it has "cool 3d emoji with sunglasses", it does the funny pose with the finger that you saw in that one gif. This isn't going to age well, memes are very volatile, it's already a bit painful when you watch a old show or whatever and see a episode about planking or the ice bucket challenge. In fact, one of the lessons we as a society have learnt is that making episodes and featuring memes is a bad idea. That's why you see a lot of episodes about old internet memes, but then less and less with newer jokes.
So, why did this show did it?. Well, even if I don't like this fact, memes run the world. If you see memes about something, you assume it's good, because if not, why are there memes about it?, memes act both as marketing and as a way to change the perspective on that certain thing, and by already featuring current memes, you're facilitating people screenshotting those moments and sending them around.
You (probably wont) say "hey patatitta, but you're an hypocrite!, you're a super big fan of undertale 2 and super assfuck rpg, those are shitpost too!", and you would be only half right, they're shitposts, the comedy has the same energy as a traditional absurd shitpost, the difference is that (most of) the jokes these games make are original, they're not basing themselves on what meme is trendy at the moment, it has the overall shitpost aesthetic but on it's core is closer to traditional comedy in the sense that it's not repeating a punchline but actually creating something new, in fact, probably the most famous joke in undertale 2, at least the most iconic one I've seen while talking to people is the "paint on some letters" part of the game
Thing is, not every show can use memes in this way, damien chazelle cant just go and make shitposts for their next movie, they're different demographics, thing is, that memes for youtube shows work. Another advantage of being on youtube is that well, you have a lot of people talking about it, so if you have a big youtuber you follow talk about the show, you will assume it's good.
Now, the acutal message of the show is "embrace cringe!, you're not harming anyone so it's not bad!", I agree with this message, but not in this context. It's different accepting the more cringy aspects of your personality and hanging out with people that respect you for who you are than using that as justification that this show is peak and that you just have to turn your brain off
I don't really like the way glitch is handling their fandom either, checking the comments on the videos I often saw comments like "this is better than anything netflix puts out" "I can't believe such high quality content exists on youtube for free, they're so nice", these are often the top comments, this overall train of thought is bad, they're claiming that this type of content is peak and that everything is else is kinda ass, they're tying you to that community, thing is, this type of thought benefits the company
They have also coaxed the term "indie animation", claiming that we must protect it and let it flourish, which I agree, but they have recontextualized the term, indie animation doesn't just mean all indie animations, it just means those very high budged animated youtube shows. Some indie animation or animation made by a single person such as "it's such a beautiful day" by don hertzfeldt are left out of the conversation because that doesn't really benefit them.
also I don't generally like selling merchandising of a show when it isn't even fully out?
This show is brainrot slop with painful jokes and that tries to gaslight you that this is acutally peak
Placed in how could you do this to me.
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next: Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
Still reading book
I recall this being one of those animes that are spammed with lewd scenes for no reason whatsoever.Pata wrote:
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
Topic Starter
being requested by jang it doesn't surprise, it doesn't have the ecchi or harem tags or whatever tho, so will at least try to watch itYmir wrote:
I recall this being one of those animes that are spammed with lewd scenes for no reason whatsoever.Pata wrote:
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
excuse me are we living in the same universe?Ymir wrote:
I recall this being one of those animes that are spammed with lewd scenes for no reason whatsoever.Pata wrote:
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
I only watched the first couple of episodes and I was also 10 years old, maybe I'm remembering wrong.Jangsoodlor wrote:
excuse me are we living in the same universe?Ymir wrote:
I recall this being one of those animes that are spammed with lewd scenes for no reason whatsoever.Pata wrote:
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo
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Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo (Dropped)
i'm not watching this shit, watched the first 4 episodes, the joke is that the girl doens't understand other people and that makes her accidently a pervert haha put on some clothes you silly!
i'm not watching this shit, watched the first 4 episodes, the joke is that the girl doens't understand other people and that makes her accidently a pervert haha put on some clothes you silly!
Yeah okay so I was somewhat right.
sadge u missed the peak fiction at the end
Patatitta wrote:
Murder Drones
I'm sorry abraker, you have been infected with... the brainrot.
Pretty fair review nonetheless, I enjoyed reading that
So let me introduce you to the og series I grew up watching :3
I'll take my leave after a review of that ^_^
Review Wall-E, should be interesting
Topic Starter
... deniedabraker wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
Murder Drones
I'm sorry abraker, you have been infected with... the brainrot.
Pretty fair review nonetheless, I enjoyed reading that
So let me introduce you to the og series I grew up watching :3
I'll take my leave after a review of that ^_^
yeah I can do thatCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Review Wall-E, should be interesting
HahahaPatatitta wrote:
... deniedabraker wrote:
Patatitta wrote:
Murder Drones
I'm sorry abraker, you have been infected with... the brainrot.
Pretty fair review nonetheless, I enjoyed reading that
So let me introduce you to the og series I grew up watching :3
I'll take my leave after a review of that ^_^
Topic Starter
I watched this movie and almost forgot to write about it
wall-e
rewatch as I watched this as a kid at least like 15 times, now watching it as an adult, it's still good
One of the things I noticed was how little dialogue there actually is in the movie, like, the first half an hour is basically silent, this is actually something that has gotten quite popular in the internet as of recent, this is called "Visual storytelling" and that is when you actually see the story instead of being told by a character what happened, by not having dialogue, you're relying entirerily on that visual aspect for the audience to understand what is going on in the movie
In fact, there are a bunch of modern, western animations that basically ahve no dialogue, for example primal or robot dreams. The problem with this appraoch is that well, we, humanity, have developed languages because of reasons. It's very hard to express complex emotions or situation with a lot of nuance, but, here it works very well since this is a pixar family movie, it's not complex
The fact that the two main characters are robot does help. The human face is complex, very complex, and emotions are actually not that obvious a lot of the time, but, since they're a robot, they actually are super expressive
After that first arc, the story transitiosn into wall-e and eva on the spaceship creating chaos over a plant, what this part is trying to say is kinda obvious, rampant capitalism isn't the best for human health, and that lifestyle of ultimate comfort they had created is also unhealthy
it's not the best critique there is, it's pretty superficial, but it does the job, it's also ironic that this is published under disney, so it doesn't really seem like they stand up for their own values
it's a fun movie, it does interesting things, I don't really have many complains about it, placed in A rank
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nothing else to watch
i'm on the start of the third book of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
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rewatch as I watched this as a kid at least like 15 times, now watching it as an adult, it's still good
One of the things I noticed was how little dialogue there actually is in the movie, like, the first half an hour is basically silent, this is actually something that has gotten quite popular in the internet as of recent, this is called "Visual storytelling" and that is when you actually see the story instead of being told by a character what happened, by not having dialogue, you're relying entirerily on that visual aspect for the audience to understand what is going on in the movie
In fact, there are a bunch of modern, western animations that basically ahve no dialogue, for example primal or robot dreams. The problem with this appraoch is that well, we, humanity, have developed languages because of reasons. It's very hard to express complex emotions or situation with a lot of nuance, but, here it works very well since this is a pixar family movie, it's not complex
The fact that the two main characters are robot does help. The human face is complex, very complex, and emotions are actually not that obvious a lot of the time, but, since they're a robot, they actually are super expressive
After that first arc, the story transitiosn into wall-e and eva on the spaceship creating chaos over a plant, what this part is trying to say is kinda obvious, rampant capitalism isn't the best for human health, and that lifestyle of ultimate comfort they had created is also unhealthy
it's not the best critique there is, it's pretty superficial, but it does the job, it's also ironic that this is published under disney, so it doesn't really seem like they stand up for their own values
it's a fun movie, it does interesting things, I don't really have many complains about it, placed in A rank
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nothing else to watch
i'm on the start of the third book of hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
Watch Rainbow (anime)
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denied but only because of the fact I started the manga this morningNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
Watch Rainbow (anime)
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The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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This is a 5 book long comedy science fiction series, I liked it
the books are about this human who gets roped in weird intergalactic travel because the aliens blew the earth up, and there is also the titular hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy which is a book that tries explaining space culture and stuff
it's really, really funny. Like, normally, comedy tends to not really age that well, you see any american comedy from the early 2000 and it's impossible to sit through nowadays, but this book, which released in 1979, aged perfectly, mainly because it's a british book, and british comedy tends to age well
none of the jokes are punching down, what is funny are the situations that the protagonist finds himself in, the entries of the guide, the absurdity of it all
and well, this book recognises it's a comedy book and goes all in, it isn't ashamed to be a comedy book, so the overall tone is very light, combined with the fact that it's a fairly easy book to read, it makes for a really pleasing reading experience, so while it is long, it is never painful, you don't really need much force of will to be able to sit down through the entire book
The impact this book has had on the internet and in future books is not to be understated, this book has probably some of the earliest internet memes, for example, you have the legendary "the answer to life, the universe, and everything" which is, 42, and many other lines like "stay calm" or whatever. Unlike modern memes, this book wasn't baiting being a meme, as it is older than the internet, it also didn't weaponize these out of context lines like many other shows did, all of these memes just comes from nerds online loving this book to death, tell me, what other franchise has a wikipedia page this long about funny parts from it
anyways, yeah, this is probably my new favourite book, placed in A rank because I haven't really read that many books in the first place, but I really liked it.
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also, queue empty.
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This is a 5 book long comedy science fiction series, I liked it
the books are about this human who gets roped in weird intergalactic travel because the aliens blew the earth up, and there is also the titular hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy which is a book that tries explaining space culture and stuff
it's really, really funny. Like, normally, comedy tends to not really age that well, you see any american comedy from the early 2000 and it's impossible to sit through nowadays, but this book, which released in 1979, aged perfectly, mainly because it's a british book, and british comedy tends to age well
none of the jokes are punching down, what is funny are the situations that the protagonist finds himself in, the entries of the guide, the absurdity of it all
and well, this book recognises it's a comedy book and goes all in, it isn't ashamed to be a comedy book, so the overall tone is very light, combined with the fact that it's a fairly easy book to read, it makes for a really pleasing reading experience, so while it is long, it is never painful, you don't really need much force of will to be able to sit down through the entire book
The impact this book has had on the internet and in future books is not to be understated, this book has probably some of the earliest internet memes, for example, you have the legendary "the answer to life, the universe, and everything" which is, 42, and many other lines like "stay calm" or whatever. Unlike modern memes, this book wasn't baiting being a meme, as it is older than the internet, it also didn't weaponize these out of context lines like many other shows did, all of these memes just comes from nerds online loving this book to death, tell me, what other franchise has a wikipedia page this long about funny parts from it
anyways, yeah, this is probably my new favourite book, placed in A rank because I haven't really read that many books in the first place, but I really liked it.
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also, queue empty.
xDPatatitta wrote:
denied but only because of the fact I started the manga this morningNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
Watch Rainbow (anime)
has Plants vs Zombies been requested before
Topic Starter
played it but denied, not the type of game I talk about in hereMcEndu wrote:
has Plants vs Zombies been requested before
Watch Hundreds of Beavers.
Topic Starter
yeah can doghoulybits wrote:
Watch Hundreds of Beavers.
I remember you said you played genshin once upon a time, if so it'd be interesting to hear your thoughts on it even though I haven't played it myself
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I mean, it's not something I would count for this thread, but I can make an exception, wont add to tier lists or anything but I think later today i'm going to just complain a lotDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
I remember you said you played genshin once upon a time, if so it'd be interesting to hear your thoughts on it even though I haven't played it myself
3 Days of Happiness, Manga
Topic Starter
Hundreds of Beavers
This is probably one of the funniest movies i've watched in my entire life
hundreds of beaver is an independant "silent" black and white comedy film released in 2022 but only really started distribution in 2024 with a style of comedy very reminiscent of looney tunes, just, way better in every single regard?
the way this movie looks is extremely bizarre, the comical overacting of the different characters, the costumes and props, and even the clear use of a green screen and CGI to replicate gags that would only be possible in animation
I can't explain why this movie is as funny as it is, but god, it is funny, there were moments were I wasn't even laughing, and I was just in pure awe
also, something that i've noticed, some of the jokes and gags in this movie felt very videogame-ish?, like, I saw some scenes and went like "oh this could very easily be a scene in a videogame" or whatever, which is strange, but it just has that energy
I have never seen a movie like this, I don't know if I ever will watch a movie like this again, I wish I could say more about this movie but honestly i'm so confused and surprised by this film like unironically anyone reading this please watch it
placed in s rank
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I sold my life for ten thousand yen per year. (3 Days of Happiness is actually the name of the novel the manga is based on)
already read it a few years back, it's peak
It's a very short manga (only 3 volumes) about a guy, that as the title says, sells their life for three thousand yen per year, only having 3 days left to live (that is where the title of the novel comes from), and, it's way different than you would imagine from the synopsis
Yes, it may be VERY little money for each year, but given it's their entire life, the protagonist HAS money, in a hollywood film you would probably see the protagonist throwing a big party and spending it and having fun, but the manga is actually the complete contrary
it's a fairly slow, melancholic, dramatic manga, where during those three remaining days on earth, the protagonist reflects on all of their life up to that point and comes to accept it, all of this while being accompanied by a woman who is there to make sure he doesn't murder anyone now that he knows he is going to die in 3 days.
It's very painful and sad but also extremely beautiful, it's emotive up to it's bones
It's actually also a very interesting manga when you compare it to the rest of the manga indsutry and what we personally expect from the medium
I absolutely love the fact that it's only 3 volumes. Normally, most successfull, big popular mangas are LONG, and this manga shows that they don't need to be. While this manga is short, it also has a very clear goal and objective, it doesn't feel rush or compressed. It's so short yet they still dedicate a lot of time to each scene to make sure it hits, it doesn't try to fit as much story as possible, it gives space for everything to breathe, they give time to the protagonist to just sit in silence and think.
In my analysis of frieren I complained about how I was baited by the synopsis, and how well, I expected, this. This is what I wanted frieren to be, and it's such a shame that it wasn't that because god this manga is so good
placced in S rank
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genshin impact
note: i'm not placing this on the tier list or anything, I just have a lot of thoughts about this type of games
Genshin as a game is mediocre, it's a gacha game with very shallow gameplay, and okay story. You're not missing out on anything for not playing genshin impact. But I would say this is a bit unfair to genshin impact, because well, i'm analyzing through the lense of the global gaming industry, of course I believe games like disco elysium or sanabi are better than genshin, but genshin isn't trying to compete with those, and I feel actually comparing it makes you miss a bigger and more interesting point
What if we were to compare genshin impact with only free to play games?, in that case, genshin is probably one of the best games out there, it's a game without any rough edges that you can basically play forever, sure it doesn't respect your time, but which free to play game does?
This isn't just a free to play either, it's a mobile game, and that industry is somehow even worse
I think it's a shame that people just play shitty ass videogames because they can't afford anything better, but I feel that in part it's also because this games are the most populars so I don't think actually having good free games will fix anything, like, itch.io exists and I have friends that have money that still play roblox
I also don't like gachas in general, not only because of the predatory monetization, but also because it has become so popular that games that have 0 microtransactions STILL have gacha mechanics (looking at you holocure)
also I generally don't like how much genshin and other games rely on sex appeal
I just think genshin is bad for the industry and the medium
This is probably one of the funniest movies i've watched in my entire life
hundreds of beaver is an independant "silent" black and white comedy film released in 2022 but only really started distribution in 2024 with a style of comedy very reminiscent of looney tunes, just, way better in every single regard?
the way this movie looks is extremely bizarre, the comical overacting of the different characters, the costumes and props, and even the clear use of a green screen and CGI to replicate gags that would only be possible in animation
I can't explain why this movie is as funny as it is, but god, it is funny, there were moments were I wasn't even laughing, and I was just in pure awe
also, something that i've noticed, some of the jokes and gags in this movie felt very videogame-ish?, like, I saw some scenes and went like "oh this could very easily be a scene in a videogame" or whatever, which is strange, but it just has that energy
I have never seen a movie like this, I don't know if I ever will watch a movie like this again, I wish I could say more about this movie but honestly i'm so confused and surprised by this film like unironically anyone reading this please watch it
placed in s rank
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I sold my life for ten thousand yen per year. (3 Days of Happiness is actually the name of the novel the manga is based on)
already read it a few years back, it's peak
It's a very short manga (only 3 volumes) about a guy, that as the title says, sells their life for three thousand yen per year, only having 3 days left to live (that is where the title of the novel comes from), and, it's way different than you would imagine from the synopsis
Yes, it may be VERY little money for each year, but given it's their entire life, the protagonist HAS money, in a hollywood film you would probably see the protagonist throwing a big party and spending it and having fun, but the manga is actually the complete contrary
it's a fairly slow, melancholic, dramatic manga, where during those three remaining days on earth, the protagonist reflects on all of their life up to that point and comes to accept it, all of this while being accompanied by a woman who is there to make sure he doesn't murder anyone now that he knows he is going to die in 3 days.
It's very painful and sad but also extremely beautiful, it's emotive up to it's bones
It's actually also a very interesting manga when you compare it to the rest of the manga indsutry and what we personally expect from the medium
I absolutely love the fact that it's only 3 volumes. Normally, most successfull, big popular mangas are LONG, and this manga shows that they don't need to be. While this manga is short, it also has a very clear goal and objective, it doesn't feel rush or compressed. It's so short yet they still dedicate a lot of time to each scene to make sure it hits, it doesn't try to fit as much story as possible, it gives space for everything to breathe, they give time to the protagonist to just sit in silence and think.
In my analysis of frieren I complained about how I was baited by the synopsis, and how well, I expected, this. This is what I wanted frieren to be, and it's such a shame that it wasn't that because god this manga is so good
placced in S rank
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genshin impact
note: i'm not placing this on the tier list or anything, I just have a lot of thoughts about this type of games
Genshin as a game is mediocre, it's a gacha game with very shallow gameplay, and okay story. You're not missing out on anything for not playing genshin impact. But I would say this is a bit unfair to genshin impact, because well, i'm analyzing through the lense of the global gaming industry, of course I believe games like disco elysium or sanabi are better than genshin, but genshin isn't trying to compete with those, and I feel actually comparing it makes you miss a bigger and more interesting point
What if we were to compare genshin impact with only free to play games?, in that case, genshin is probably one of the best games out there, it's a game without any rough edges that you can basically play forever, sure it doesn't respect your time, but which free to play game does?
This isn't just a free to play either, it's a mobile game, and that industry is somehow even worse
I think it's a shame that people just play shitty ass videogames because they can't afford anything better, but I feel that in part it's also because this games are the most populars so I don't think actually having good free games will fix anything, like, itch.io exists and I have friends that have money that still play roblox
I also don't like gachas in general, not only because of the predatory monetization, but also because it has become so popular that games that have 0 microtransactions STILL have gacha mechanics (looking at you holocure)
also I generally don't like how much genshin and other games rely on sex appeal
I just think genshin is bad for the industry and the medium
watch "Drifting Home" (the anime movie one, 2022)
Topic Starter
okayreffty_gag wrote:
watch "Drifting Home" (the anime movie one, 2022)
okayPatatitta wrote:
okayreffty_gag wrote:
watch "Drifting Home" (the anime movie one, 2022)
play horace
its over 8h
but I dont fucking care beat it its a masterpiece
its over 8h
but I dont fucking care beat it its a masterpiece
yesPatatitta wrote:
this?emajakolic wrote:
play horace
its over 8h
but I dont fucking care beat it its a masterpiece
fun game play it
FUCK YES I LOVE YOUPatatitta wrote:
okay I willemajakolic wrote:
yesPatatitta wrote:
this?emajakolic wrote:
play horace
its over 8h
but I dont fucking care beat it its a masterpiece
fun game play it
btw add me on steam frfr
Topic Starter
drifting home
didn't like it very much
It's an anime movie about multiple kisd being stranded in an old building that somehow leads to a different universe, the plot is actually very similar to sonny boy, the difference is that sonny boy is peak, and this anime isn't
like really, this anime doesn't do much, the movie is 2 hours long but they resolve everything by the second third of the movie, having the last 40 minutes or so just being running over the same points again
it's not very fun either, I don't know, it just doesn't do anything, it goes for way too long, and there are just way better anime out there
placed in d tier
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i'm still downloading horace
didn't like it very much
It's an anime movie about multiple kisd being stranded in an old building that somehow leads to a different universe, the plot is actually very similar to sonny boy, the difference is that sonny boy is peak, and this anime isn't
like really, this anime doesn't do much, the movie is 2 hours long but they resolve everything by the second third of the movie, having the last 40 minutes or so just being running over the same points again
it's not very fun either, I don't know, it just doesn't do anything, it goes for way too long, and there are just way better anime out there
placed in d tier
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i'm still downloading horace
dying light
the stanley parable
the stanley parable
add me anyway I need friends XDPatatitta wrote:
i'm not going to play it on steamemajakolic wrote:
FUCK YES I LOVE YOUPatatitta wrote:
okay I willemajakolic wrote:
yesPatatitta wrote:
this?emajakolic wrote:
play horace
its over 8h
but I dont fucking care beat it its a masterpiece
fun game play it
btw add me on steam frfr
Topic Starter
sureBehrauder wrote:
Fantasy Bishoujo Juniku Ojisan to
I don't think I will be doing dying light, school starts soon and idk if I will have the timeburgernfat wrote:
dying light
the stanley parable
stanley parable I have already beaten
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stanley parble is an indie game released in the source engine in 2011, then being expanded with ultra deluxe in 2022, it's really good
The game is about walking in an office, with a narrator that tries to dictate a story, and it's your choice to obey him or not, there are a lot of endings possible, but the path to get each ending is fairly short.
The game has no really endpoint, you just play until you had enough, in fact, even the loading screen tells you this (THE END IS NEVER THE END IS NEVER THE END IS NEVER [...]) as you can't really win the game
This is one of the first games to really have comedy as one of it's selling points, the narrator is overall pretty funny, most of the times games shy away from comedy, either because they want to be adult to escape the "videogames are for children" allegations that old people usually like to throw around, or because they just don't really know how to implement
comedy works best when you can control everything that happens, so, giving player input and still being funny is really difficult, stanley parable is able to overcome this by well, not having much interaction in the first place, as this game is a walking simulator
anyways we need more comedy in videogames this game is great A rank
Topic Starter
Fantasy Bishoujo Juniku Ojisan to
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not very good
This anime is an isekai comedy "parody" about these two guys that get transported into this dragon-quest like fantasy world except one of the guys have been reborn as a girl with a special skill that basically charms everyone in the region
let's get this out of the way first, I don't consider this a parody, it's a regular comedy, as I said with konosuba, this has no criticism torwards the actual genre or whatever, it just has jokes that relate to the typical tropes of the genre, but if we count that a parody, we must consider something like machikado mazoku a parody of the magical girl genre, when it isn't, it's just a different shape of it.
This also markets itself as a romcom, the first scene is a narrator talking about the synopsis, of both of them trying to not fall in love with each other
I finished the anime, and I don't think it's a spoiler to say there has been no romantic advances whatsoever, from time to time they go KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA or whatever but that's about it
what this anime is a very aimless, generic, adventure isekai where they just run around with no real goal and then the anime just really ends without anything having ever happened, the manga is still ongoing in fact
the gender shift thing isn't really explored more than "ohhhh I can't believe I have fallen in love with someone who used to be a guy" which come the fuck on really
placed on D rank
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playing horace, i'm not liking it but honestly it's so amusing i'm going to keep going
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not very good
This anime is an isekai comedy "parody" about these two guys that get transported into this dragon-quest like fantasy world except one of the guys have been reborn as a girl with a special skill that basically charms everyone in the region
let's get this out of the way first, I don't consider this a parody, it's a regular comedy, as I said with konosuba, this has no criticism torwards the actual genre or whatever, it just has jokes that relate to the typical tropes of the genre, but if we count that a parody, we must consider something like machikado mazoku a parody of the magical girl genre, when it isn't, it's just a different shape of it.
This also markets itself as a romcom, the first scene is a narrator talking about the synopsis, of both of them trying to not fall in love with each other
I finished the anime, and I don't think it's a spoiler to say there has been no romantic advances whatsoever, from time to time they go KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA or whatever but that's about it
what this anime is a very aimless, generic, adventure isekai where they just run around with no real goal and then the anime just really ends without anything having ever happened, the manga is still ongoing in fact
the gender shift thing isn't really explored more than "ohhhh I can't believe I have fallen in love with someone who used to be a guy" which come the fuck on really
placed on D rank
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playing horace, i'm not liking it but honestly it's so amusing i'm going to keep going
fuck yesPatatitta wrote:
playing horace, i'm not liking it but honestly it's so amusing i'm going to keep going
Topic Starter
honestly I would like why do you love this game so much lmaoemajakolic wrote:
fuck yesPatatitta wrote:
playing horace, i'm not liking it but honestly it's so amusing i'm going to keep going
I liked the story and loved the gameplay it gets harder and harder xDPatatitta wrote:
honestly I would like why do you love this game so much lmaoemajakolic wrote:
fuck yesPatatitta wrote:
playing horace, i'm not liking it but honestly it's so amusing i'm going to keep going
Topic Starter
yeah, but there are games that do all of those things toom, so why is this one in specific so goodemajakolic wrote:
I liked the story and loved the gameplay it gets harder and harder xDPatatitta wrote:
honestly I would like why do you love this game so much lmaoemajakolic wrote:
fuck yesPatatitta wrote:
playing horace, i'm not liking it but honestly it's so amusing i'm going to keep going
it was the one I enjoyed the most so farPatatitta wrote:
yeah, but there are games that do all of those things toom, so why is this one in specific so goodemajakolic wrote:
I liked the story and loved the gameplay it gets harder and harder xDPatatitta wrote:
honestly I would like why do you love this game so much lmaoemajakolic wrote:
fuck yesPatatitta wrote:
playing horace, i'm not liking it but honestly it's so amusing i'm going to keep going
Topic Starter
I just realized that I think I forgot to update the tierlist with murder drones?, i'm going to fix it
Topic Starter
Horace (Dropped)
acutally nope, cant do this, i've gotten to the finale of chapter 6, apparently there are 22 chapters, this game is awful in every single way
Horace is a 2d platformer about a robot built by a family tasked with cleaning a milion thrash pieces, but the general plot is that the robot runs around and helps people, the story is told via narration from microsoft sam, all of the dialogue happens in prerendered cutscenes which are just basically the scenary you're in but with random zooms
While i'm fine with the narration, I dislike the prerendered cutscenes thing as it doesn't allow me to read the story and progress it at my own pace. In nearly every videogame ever created, when there is dialogue, it will slowly show on screen, having an effect where it's written on screen, however, if you want to that text to advance fast, you can either change the text speed in settings, or, when a dialogue is being written on screen, you can click on it to make it instantly jump torwards the very end of the animation, after that, another click will change the dialogue to the next, if there is a voiceover it will cut of and it will start the next line
Problem with the prerendered cutscenes is that they remove that freedom the player has of reading the texts at their own pace, and given the high quantities of dialogue this game has, that's a feature that you very much end up wishing it existed
Now, that's not the only problem the cinematics have, let's say for example you had a room with two lasers, and you wanted to make a cinematic of those lasers deactivating, how would you do it?, personally, I would show the whole screen, the two lasers both visible, and show them both deactivating at the same time with a sound effect that indicates hey they have deactivated, what this game does is that it focus on one laser, after half a second it deactivates, it stays on that laser for another half a second, then it moves to the next laser and repeats. That combined with the dialogue, the game cutscenes feel like they're wasting your time on purpouse
The last problem I've had with the cinematics is that they often trigger late, like, you pass over the trigger, and then it takes like 2 full seconds for the cinematic to trigger
The actual story is fine, nothing had really happened so far, but there are a couple of inconsistencies and plot holes in the story so far, mainly, the character is only a robot when it interests the plot, for example, there is a scene where the protagonist is shown television, and it watches a lot of movies, this is later reinforced later by making a star wars references, showing that it has learned a little bit about pop culture and stuff, however, they still don't know what the word "rescue" meant.
1- This would be ingrained in the dictionary attached with the language module of the robot
2- Even if you didn't, you would have learnt it by watching movies.
Like, it makes no sense why the robot doesn't know what rescue is, othe rthan the game going "remember it is a robot it's quirky"
This type of inconsistencies and overall lack of polish is shown everywhere in the game, for example, a game mechanic is that touching a wall will change your gravity to the direction of that wall, thing is, if you touch a ceiling and then fall off the map, while still having that upwards gravity, you will see a small cutscene of the robot falling out of the planet, this makes sense, (my only complaint here is that you cant skip the cutscene so if you fail a jump multiple times you always have to sit down and watch the 5 second cutscene which is annoying). The problem is that it turns out that this cinematic isn't tied to the act of falling upwards in an open air map, it's appied to everywhere out of bounds.
There is a segment of the game where there are multiple signs, each one going "ohhh there is nothing in this direction", and if you keep going, like the stairs in lisa, there is nothing at the end, well, there is large quantity of spikes that harm you. When I found that I had 2 shields, meaning, I could damage boost through it, and I did so, and I expected to find a secret, an easter egg of some sort maybe, what happened is that the falling out of the earth cutscene triggered
You can say that last one is a nitpick, as it doesn't really affect the gameplay outside that one fringe scenario, but then we have the stealth segment. This game has infinite lifes, and it tries to explain that in universe with "the lazarus chip", something that allows the robot to basically restart a zone after it crashes and dies. Everything resets, cycles reset, your shields reset, your position resets, time resets, the only thing that don't resets it's the colectables for QoL reasons, turns out, something that doesn't reset is your alert status, so if you get caught and die because of it, after you respawn, alert is still up
How do you clear the alert?, well, in most stealth games is just hiding from view, as long as they don't see you, alert will go down, this game usually offer some sort of hiding place such as lockers, this just helps you not gettign seen, but they're not mechanically needed. In this game, you can wait for 20 minutes without anyone sees you, the alert isn't going away, it's only if you get in a hiding spot that the alert will go down
the gameplay in general suck, mainly because the controls suck, first of all, even if this is an indie game only released for PC, it basically has no keybord support. When you play any videogame and you're in a tutorial, some text will usually come on screen that says press x button to do y, if you're using a controller it will show you a controller button, and if you're using kb it will show a key, in fact, if you are in a part of the game where there is a prompt like that, and you plug a controller or click with the mouse after having used a controller you can see that button prompt change live
In this game, those prompts are hard-coded to be controller only, so it won't display what keys to press in keyboard, also, the keyboard default controls are awful. I'm playing with an xbox controller, this is also what the prompts show, the xbox controller has 4 main buttons, A B X Y, the way the keyboard is mapped is to literally copy the letter, so to press the equivalent of the Y button in the xbox controler you would have to press the Y key in the keyboard, this is fucking insane.
Thing is, even if you're using a controller, the game still doesn't fucking work, many times the game will just stop detecting the run imput or won't really react to you pressing a button or direction, it's not responsive at all and a lot of deaths feel unfair
another element that helps death feeling unfair is the hitboxes being awful, actually being bigger than the sprite
There is a small race segment, and in all racing games or games with car, or any game with any sort of control scheme in general, the speed the character movies is determined by how deep you're pushing the joystick, so if you only push it slightly you will move very slowly and if you go all in it will be like pressing it down into a keyboard, this game doesn't have that graduality.
Also the timer of total time played doesn't count cutscenes?, this is significant since there are a lot of cutscenes.
Also power ups have a time limit which is variable yet no indication of how much power up is left
Also whenever you stop moving to try to be more precise with a jump or something the screen IMMEDIATLY starts zooming to the protagonist
The entire screen flips when you change gravity instead of just changing gravity, something that is very head-ache producing
this game is just truly one of the worst videogames i've ever played, I don't know how they fucked up so much, like these are things that even YIIK nails for the love of god, I want to know what do you see in this game since this just feels like thrash
it's awful, just, awful, placed in how could you do this to me
acutally nope, cant do this, i've gotten to the finale of chapter 6, apparently there are 22 chapters, this game is awful in every single way
Horace is a 2d platformer about a robot built by a family tasked with cleaning a milion thrash pieces, but the general plot is that the robot runs around and helps people, the story is told via narration from microsoft sam, all of the dialogue happens in prerendered cutscenes which are just basically the scenary you're in but with random zooms
While i'm fine with the narration, I dislike the prerendered cutscenes thing as it doesn't allow me to read the story and progress it at my own pace. In nearly every videogame ever created, when there is dialogue, it will slowly show on screen, having an effect where it's written on screen, however, if you want to that text to advance fast, you can either change the text speed in settings, or, when a dialogue is being written on screen, you can click on it to make it instantly jump torwards the very end of the animation, after that, another click will change the dialogue to the next, if there is a voiceover it will cut of and it will start the next line
Problem with the prerendered cutscenes is that they remove that freedom the player has of reading the texts at their own pace, and given the high quantities of dialogue this game has, that's a feature that you very much end up wishing it existed
Now, that's not the only problem the cinematics have, let's say for example you had a room with two lasers, and you wanted to make a cinematic of those lasers deactivating, how would you do it?, personally, I would show the whole screen, the two lasers both visible, and show them both deactivating at the same time with a sound effect that indicates hey they have deactivated, what this game does is that it focus on one laser, after half a second it deactivates, it stays on that laser for another half a second, then it moves to the next laser and repeats. That combined with the dialogue, the game cutscenes feel like they're wasting your time on purpouse
The last problem I've had with the cinematics is that they often trigger late, like, you pass over the trigger, and then it takes like 2 full seconds for the cinematic to trigger
The actual story is fine, nothing had really happened so far, but there are a couple of inconsistencies and plot holes in the story so far, mainly, the character is only a robot when it interests the plot, for example, there is a scene where the protagonist is shown television, and it watches a lot of movies, this is later reinforced later by making a star wars references, showing that it has learned a little bit about pop culture and stuff, however, they still don't know what the word "rescue" meant.
1- This would be ingrained in the dictionary attached with the language module of the robot
2- Even if you didn't, you would have learnt it by watching movies.
Like, it makes no sense why the robot doesn't know what rescue is, othe rthan the game going "remember it is a robot it's quirky"
This type of inconsistencies and overall lack of polish is shown everywhere in the game, for example, a game mechanic is that touching a wall will change your gravity to the direction of that wall, thing is, if you touch a ceiling and then fall off the map, while still having that upwards gravity, you will see a small cutscene of the robot falling out of the planet, this makes sense, (my only complaint here is that you cant skip the cutscene so if you fail a jump multiple times you always have to sit down and watch the 5 second cutscene which is annoying). The problem is that it turns out that this cinematic isn't tied to the act of falling upwards in an open air map, it's appied to everywhere out of bounds.
There is a segment of the game where there are multiple signs, each one going "ohhh there is nothing in this direction", and if you keep going, like the stairs in lisa, there is nothing at the end, well, there is large quantity of spikes that harm you. When I found that I had 2 shields, meaning, I could damage boost through it, and I did so, and I expected to find a secret, an easter egg of some sort maybe, what happened is that the falling out of the earth cutscene triggered
You can say that last one is a nitpick, as it doesn't really affect the gameplay outside that one fringe scenario, but then we have the stealth segment. This game has infinite lifes, and it tries to explain that in universe with "the lazarus chip", something that allows the robot to basically restart a zone after it crashes and dies. Everything resets, cycles reset, your shields reset, your position resets, time resets, the only thing that don't resets it's the colectables for QoL reasons, turns out, something that doesn't reset is your alert status, so if you get caught and die because of it, after you respawn, alert is still up
How do you clear the alert?, well, in most stealth games is just hiding from view, as long as they don't see you, alert will go down, this game usually offer some sort of hiding place such as lockers, this just helps you not gettign seen, but they're not mechanically needed. In this game, you can wait for 20 minutes without anyone sees you, the alert isn't going away, it's only if you get in a hiding spot that the alert will go down
the gameplay in general suck, mainly because the controls suck, first of all, even if this is an indie game only released for PC, it basically has no keybord support. When you play any videogame and you're in a tutorial, some text will usually come on screen that says press x button to do y, if you're using a controller it will show you a controller button, and if you're using kb it will show a key, in fact, if you are in a part of the game where there is a prompt like that, and you plug a controller or click with the mouse after having used a controller you can see that button prompt change live
In this game, those prompts are hard-coded to be controller only, so it won't display what keys to press in keyboard, also, the keyboard default controls are awful. I'm playing with an xbox controller, this is also what the prompts show, the xbox controller has 4 main buttons, A B X Y, the way the keyboard is mapped is to literally copy the letter, so to press the equivalent of the Y button in the xbox controler you would have to press the Y key in the keyboard, this is fucking insane.
Thing is, even if you're using a controller, the game still doesn't fucking work, many times the game will just stop detecting the run imput or won't really react to you pressing a button or direction, it's not responsive at all and a lot of deaths feel unfair
another element that helps death feeling unfair is the hitboxes being awful, actually being bigger than the sprite
There is a small race segment, and in all racing games or games with car, or any game with any sort of control scheme in general, the speed the character movies is determined by how deep you're pushing the joystick, so if you only push it slightly you will move very slowly and if you go all in it will be like pressing it down into a keyboard, this game doesn't have that graduality.
Also the timer of total time played doesn't count cutscenes?, this is significant since there are a lot of cutscenes.
Also power ups have a time limit which is variable yet no indication of how much power up is left
Also whenever you stop moving to try to be more precise with a jump or something the screen IMMEDIATLY starts zooming to the protagonist
The entire screen flips when you change gravity instead of just changing gravity, something that is very head-ache producing
this game is just truly one of the worst videogames i've ever played, I don't know how they fucked up so much, like these are things that even YIIK nails for the love of god, I want to know what do you see in this game since this just feels like thrash
it's awful, just, awful, placed in how could you do this to me
ah fuck thats sadPatatitta wrote:
Horace (Dropped)acutally nope, cant do this, i've gotten to the finale of chapter 6, apparently there are 22 chapters, this game is awful in every single way
Horace is a 2d platformer about a robot built by a family tasked with cleaning a milion thrash pieces, but the general plot is that the robot runs around and helps people, the story is told via narration from microsoft sam, all of the dialogue happens in prerendered cutscenes which are just basically the scenary you're in but with random zooms
While i'm fine with the narration, I dislike the prerendered cutscenes thing as it doesn't allow me to read the story and progress it at my own pace. In nearly every videogame ever created, when there is dialogue, it will slowly show on screen, having an effect where it's written on screen, however, if you want to that text to advance fast, you can either change the text speed in settings, or, when a dialogue is being written on screen, you can click on it to make it instantly jump torwards the very end of the animation, after that, another click will change the dialogue to the next, if there is a voiceover it will cut of and it will start the next line
Problem with the prerendered cutscenes is that they remove that freedom the player has of reading the texts at their own pace, and given the high quantities of dialogue this game has, that's a feature that you very much end up wishing it existed
Now, that's not the only problem the cinematics have, let's say for example you had a room with two lasers, and you wanted to make a cinematic of those lasers deactivating, how would you do it?, personally, I would show the whole screen, the two lasers both visible, and show them both deactivating at the same time with a sound effect that indicates hey they have deactivated, what this game does is that it focus on one laser, after half a second it deactivates, it stays on that laser for another half a second, then it moves to the next laser and repeats. That combined with the dialogue, the game cutscenes feel like they're wasting your time on purpouse
The last problem I've had with the cinematics is that they often trigger late, like, you pass over the trigger, and then it takes like 2 full seconds for the cinematic to trigger
The actual story is fine, nothing had really happened so far, but there are a couple of inconsistencies and plot holes in the story so far, mainly, the character is only a robot when it interests the plot, for example, there is a scene where the protagonist is shown television, and it watches a lot of movies, this is later reinforced later by making a star wars references, showing that it has learned a little bit about pop culture and stuff, however, they still don't know what the word "rescue" meant.
1- This would be ingrained in the dictionary attached with the language module of the robot
2- Even if you didn't, you would have learnt it by watching movies.
Like, it makes no sense why the robot doesn't know what rescue is, othe rthan the game going "remember it is a robot it's quirky"
This type of inconsistencies and overall lack of polish is shown everywhere in the game, for example, a game mechanic is that touching a wall will change your gravity to the direction of that wall, thing is, if you touch a ceiling and then fall off the map, while still having that upwards gravity, you will see a small cutscene of the robot falling out of the planet, this makes sense, (my only complaint here is that you cant skip the cutscene so if you fail a jump multiple times you always have to sit down and watch the 5 second cutscene which is annoying). The problem is that it turns out that this cinematic isn't tied to the act of falling upwards in an open air map, it's appied to everywhere out of bounds.
There is a segment of the game where there are multiple signs, each one going "ohhh there is nothing in this direction", and if you keep going, like the stairs in lisa, there is nothing at the end, well, there is large quantity of spikes that harm you. When I found that I had 2 shields, meaning, I could damage boost through it, and I did so, and I expected to find a secret, an easter egg of some sort maybe, what happened is that the falling out of the earth cutscene triggered
You can say that last one is a nitpick, as it doesn't really affect the gameplay outside that one fringe scenario, but then we have the stealth segment. This game has infinite lifes, and it tries to explain that in universe with "the lazarus chip", something that allows the robot to basically restart a zone after it crashes and dies. Everything resets, cycles reset, your shields reset, your position resets, time resets, the only thing that don't resets it's the colectables for QoL reasons, turns out, something that doesn't reset is your alert status, so if you get caught and die because of it, after you respawn, alert is still up
How do you clear the alert?, well, in most stealth games is just hiding from view, as long as they don't see you, alert will go down, this game usually offer some sort of hiding place such as lockers, this just helps you not gettign seen, but they're not mechanically needed. In this game, you can wait for 20 minutes without anyone sees you, the alert isn't going away, it's only if you get in a hiding spot that the alert will go down
the gameplay in general suck, mainly because the controls suck, first of all, even if this is an indie game only released for PC, it basically has no keybord support. When you play any videogame and you're in a tutorial, some text will usually come on screen that says press x button to do y, if you're using a controller it will show you a controller button, and if you're using kb it will show a key, in fact, if you are in a part of the game where there is a prompt like that, and you plug a controller or click with the mouse after having used a controller you can see that button prompt change live
In this game, those prompts are hard-coded to be controller only, so it won't display what keys to press in keyboard, also, the keyboard default controls are awful. I'm playing with an xbox controller, this is also what the prompts show, the xbox controller has 4 main buttons, A B X Y, the way the keyboard is mapped is to literally copy the letter, so to press the equivalent of the Y button in the xbox controler you would have to press the Y key in the keyboard, this is fucking insane.
Thing is, even if you're using a controller, the game still doesn't fucking work, many times the game will just stop detecting the run imput or won't really react to you pressing a button or direction, it's not responsive at all and a lot of deaths feel unfair
another element that helps death feeling unfair is the hitboxes being awful, actually being bigger than the sprite
There is a small race segment, and in all racing games or games with car, or any game with any sort of control scheme in general, the speed the character movies is determined by how deep you're pushing the joystick, so if you only push it slightly you will move very slowly and if you go all in it will be like pressing it down into a keyboard, this game doesn't have that graduality.
Also the timer of total time played doesn't count cutscenes?, this is significant since there are a lot of cutscenes.
Also power ups have a time limit which is variable yet no indication of how much power up is left
Also whenever you stop moving to try to be more precise with a jump or something the screen IMMEDIATLY starts zooming to the protagonist
The entire screen flips when you change gravity instead of just changing gravity, something that is very head-ache producing
this game is just truly one of the worst videogames i've ever played, I don't know how they fucked up so much, like these are things that even YIIK nails for the love of god, I want to know what do you see in this game since this just feels like thrash
it's awful, just, awful, placed in how could you do this to me
well im sorry for teling you to play that I personally just liked it lmfao
I got other good games tho (games I think you'd like, they arent indie btw) but they take WAY more than 8 hours
Topic Starter
but yeah, i'm curious, didn't you face any of those thousands of bugs or control problems or plot holes on your playthrough?emajakolic wrote:
ah fuck thats sadPatatitta wrote:
Horace (Dropped)acutally nope, cant do this, i've gotten to the finale of chapter 6, apparently there are 22 chapters, this game is awful in every single way
Horace is a 2d platformer about a robot built by a family tasked with cleaning a milion thrash pieces, but the general plot is that the robot runs around and helps people, the story is told via narration from microsoft sam, all of the dialogue happens in prerendered cutscenes which are just basically the scenary you're in but with random zooms
While i'm fine with the narration, I dislike the prerendered cutscenes thing as it doesn't allow me to read the story and progress it at my own pace. In nearly every videogame ever created, when there is dialogue, it will slowly show on screen, having an effect where it's written on screen, however, if you want to that text to advance fast, you can either change the text speed in settings, or, when a dialogue is being written on screen, you can click on it to make it instantly jump torwards the very end of the animation, after that, another click will change the dialogue to the next, if there is a voiceover it will cut of and it will start the next line
Problem with the prerendered cutscenes is that they remove that freedom the player has of reading the texts at their own pace, and given the high quantities of dialogue this game has, that's a feature that you very much end up wishing it existed
Now, that's not the only problem the cinematics have, let's say for example you had a room with two lasers, and you wanted to make a cinematic of those lasers deactivating, how would you do it?, personally, I would show the whole screen, the two lasers both visible, and show them both deactivating at the same time with a sound effect that indicates hey they have deactivated, what this game does is that it focus on one laser, after half a second it deactivates, it stays on that laser for another half a second, then it moves to the next laser and repeats. That combined with the dialogue, the game cutscenes feel like they're wasting your time on purpouse
The last problem I've had with the cinematics is that they often trigger late, like, you pass over the trigger, and then it takes like 2 full seconds for the cinematic to trigger
The actual story is fine, nothing had really happened so far, but there are a couple of inconsistencies and plot holes in the story so far, mainly, the character is only a robot when it interests the plot, for example, there is a scene where the protagonist is shown television, and it watches a lot of movies, this is later reinforced later by making a star wars references, showing that it has learned a little bit about pop culture and stuff, however, they still don't know what the word "rescue" meant.
1- This would be ingrained in the dictionary attached with the language module of the robot
2- Even if you didn't, you would have learnt it by watching movies.
Like, it makes no sense why the robot doesn't know what rescue is, othe rthan the game going "remember it is a robot it's quirky"
This type of inconsistencies and overall lack of polish is shown everywhere in the game, for example, a game mechanic is that touching a wall will change your gravity to the direction of that wall, thing is, if you touch a ceiling and then fall off the map, while still having that upwards gravity, you will see a small cutscene of the robot falling out of the planet, this makes sense, (my only complaint here is that you cant skip the cutscene so if you fail a jump multiple times you always have to sit down and watch the 5 second cutscene which is annoying). The problem is that it turns out that this cinematic isn't tied to the act of falling upwards in an open air map, it's appied to everywhere out of bounds.
There is a segment of the game where there are multiple signs, each one going "ohhh there is nothing in this direction", and if you keep going, like the stairs in lisa, there is nothing at the end, well, there is large quantity of spikes that harm you. When I found that I had 2 shields, meaning, I could damage boost through it, and I did so, and I expected to find a secret, an easter egg of some sort maybe, what happened is that the falling out of the earth cutscene triggered
You can say that last one is a nitpick, as it doesn't really affect the gameplay outside that one fringe scenario, but then we have the stealth segment. This game has infinite lifes, and it tries to explain that in universe with "the lazarus chip", something that allows the robot to basically restart a zone after it crashes and dies. Everything resets, cycles reset, your shields reset, your position resets, time resets, the only thing that don't resets it's the colectables for QoL reasons, turns out, something that doesn't reset is your alert status, so if you get caught and die because of it, after you respawn, alert is still up
How do you clear the alert?, well, in most stealth games is just hiding from view, as long as they don't see you, alert will go down, this game usually offer some sort of hiding place such as lockers, this just helps you not gettign seen, but they're not mechanically needed. In this game, you can wait for 20 minutes without anyone sees you, the alert isn't going away, it's only if you get in a hiding spot that the alert will go down
the gameplay in general suck, mainly because the controls suck, first of all, even if this is an indie game only released for PC, it basically has no keybord support. When you play any videogame and you're in a tutorial, some text will usually come on screen that says press x button to do y, if you're using a controller it will show you a controller button, and if you're using kb it will show a key, in fact, if you are in a part of the game where there is a prompt like that, and you plug a controller or click with the mouse after having used a controller you can see that button prompt change live
In this game, those prompts are hard-coded to be controller only, so it won't display what keys to press in keyboard, also, the keyboard default controls are awful. I'm playing with an xbox controller, this is also what the prompts show, the xbox controller has 4 main buttons, A B X Y, the way the keyboard is mapped is to literally copy the letter, so to press the equivalent of the Y button in the xbox controler you would have to press the Y key in the keyboard, this is fucking insane.
Thing is, even if you're using a controller, the game still doesn't fucking work, many times the game will just stop detecting the run imput or won't really react to you pressing a button or direction, it's not responsive at all and a lot of deaths feel unfair
another element that helps death feeling unfair is the hitboxes being awful, actually being bigger than the sprite
There is a small race segment, and in all racing games or games with car, or any game with any sort of control scheme in general, the speed the character movies is determined by how deep you're pushing the joystick, so if you only push it slightly you will move very slowly and if you go all in it will be like pressing it down into a keyboard, this game doesn't have that graduality.
Also the timer of total time played doesn't count cutscenes?, this is significant since there are a lot of cutscenes.
Also power ups have a time limit which is variable yet no indication of how much power up is left
Also whenever you stop moving to try to be more precise with a jump or something the screen IMMEDIATLY starts zooming to the protagonist
The entire screen flips when you change gravity instead of just changing gravity, something that is very head-ache producing
this game is just truly one of the worst videogames i've ever played, I don't know how they fucked up so much, like these are things that even YIIK nails for the love of god, I want to know what do you see in this game since this just feels like thrash
it's awful, just, awful, placed in how could you do this to me
well im sorry for teling you to play that I personally just liked it lmfao
I got other good games tho (games I think you'd like, they arent indie btw) but they take WAY more than 8 hours
tbh no I didnt like it went finePatatitta wrote:
but yeah, i'm curious, didn't you face any of those thousands of bugs or control problems or plot holes on your playthrough?emajakolic wrote:
ah fuck thats sadPatatitta wrote:
Horace (Dropped)acutally nope, cant do this, i've gotten to the finale of chapter 6, apparently there are 22 chapters, this game is awful in every single way
Horace is a 2d platformer about a robot built by a family tasked with cleaning a milion thrash pieces, but the general plot is that the robot runs around and helps people, the story is told via narration from microsoft sam, all of the dialogue happens in prerendered cutscenes which are just basically the scenary you're in but with random zooms
While i'm fine with the narration, I dislike the prerendered cutscenes thing as it doesn't allow me to read the story and progress it at my own pace. In nearly every videogame ever created, when there is dialogue, it will slowly show on screen, having an effect where it's written on screen, however, if you want to that text to advance fast, you can either change the text speed in settings, or, when a dialogue is being written on screen, you can click on it to make it instantly jump torwards the very end of the animation, after that, another click will change the dialogue to the next, if there is a voiceover it will cut of and it will start the next line
Problem with the prerendered cutscenes is that they remove that freedom the player has of reading the texts at their own pace, and given the high quantities of dialogue this game has, that's a feature that you very much end up wishing it existed
Now, that's not the only problem the cinematics have, let's say for example you had a room with two lasers, and you wanted to make a cinematic of those lasers deactivating, how would you do it?, personally, I would show the whole screen, the two lasers both visible, and show them both deactivating at the same time with a sound effect that indicates hey they have deactivated, what this game does is that it focus on one laser, after half a second it deactivates, it stays on that laser for another half a second, then it moves to the next laser and repeats. That combined with the dialogue, the game cutscenes feel like they're wasting your time on purpouse
The last problem I've had with the cinematics is that they often trigger late, like, you pass over the trigger, and then it takes like 2 full seconds for the cinematic to trigger
The actual story is fine, nothing had really happened so far, but there are a couple of inconsistencies and plot holes in the story so far, mainly, the character is only a robot when it interests the plot, for example, there is a scene where the protagonist is shown television, and it watches a lot of movies, this is later reinforced later by making a star wars references, showing that it has learned a little bit about pop culture and stuff, however, they still don't know what the word "rescue" meant.
1- This would be ingrained in the dictionary attached with the language module of the robot
2- Even if you didn't, you would have learnt it by watching movies.
Like, it makes no sense why the robot doesn't know what rescue is, othe rthan the game going "remember it is a robot it's quirky"
This type of inconsistencies and overall lack of polish is shown everywhere in the game, for example, a game mechanic is that touching a wall will change your gravity to the direction of that wall, thing is, if you touch a ceiling and then fall off the map, while still having that upwards gravity, you will see a small cutscene of the robot falling out of the planet, this makes sense, (my only complaint here is that you cant skip the cutscene so if you fail a jump multiple times you always have to sit down and watch the 5 second cutscene which is annoying). The problem is that it turns out that this cinematic isn't tied to the act of falling upwards in an open air map, it's appied to everywhere out of bounds.
There is a segment of the game where there are multiple signs, each one going "ohhh there is nothing in this direction", and if you keep going, like the stairs in lisa, there is nothing at the end, well, there is large quantity of spikes that harm you. When I found that I had 2 shields, meaning, I could damage boost through it, and I did so, and I expected to find a secret, an easter egg of some sort maybe, what happened is that the falling out of the earth cutscene triggered
You can say that last one is a nitpick, as it doesn't really affect the gameplay outside that one fringe scenario, but then we have the stealth segment. This game has infinite lifes, and it tries to explain that in universe with "the lazarus chip", something that allows the robot to basically restart a zone after it crashes and dies. Everything resets, cycles reset, your shields reset, your position resets, time resets, the only thing that don't resets it's the colectables for QoL reasons, turns out, something that doesn't reset is your alert status, so if you get caught and die because of it, after you respawn, alert is still up
How do you clear the alert?, well, in most stealth games is just hiding from view, as long as they don't see you, alert will go down, this game usually offer some sort of hiding place such as lockers, this just helps you not gettign seen, but they're not mechanically needed. In this game, you can wait for 20 minutes without anyone sees you, the alert isn't going away, it's only if you get in a hiding spot that the alert will go down
the gameplay in general suck, mainly because the controls suck, first of all, even if this is an indie game only released for PC, it basically has no keybord support. When you play any videogame and you're in a tutorial, some text will usually come on screen that says press x button to do y, if you're using a controller it will show you a controller button, and if you're using kb it will show a key, in fact, if you are in a part of the game where there is a prompt like that, and you plug a controller or click with the mouse after having used a controller you can see that button prompt change live
In this game, those prompts are hard-coded to be controller only, so it won't display what keys to press in keyboard, also, the keyboard default controls are awful. I'm playing with an xbox controller, this is also what the prompts show, the xbox controller has 4 main buttons, A B X Y, the way the keyboard is mapped is to literally copy the letter, so to press the equivalent of the Y button in the xbox controler you would have to press the Y key in the keyboard, this is fucking insane.
Thing is, even if you're using a controller, the game still doesn't fucking work, many times the game will just stop detecting the run imput or won't really react to you pressing a button or direction, it's not responsive at all and a lot of deaths feel unfair
another element that helps death feeling unfair is the hitboxes being awful, actually being bigger than the sprite
There is a small race segment, and in all racing games or games with car, or any game with any sort of control scheme in general, the speed the character movies is determined by how deep you're pushing the joystick, so if you only push it slightly you will move very slowly and if you go all in it will be like pressing it down into a keyboard, this game doesn't have that graduality.
Also the timer of total time played doesn't count cutscenes?, this is significant since there are a lot of cutscenes.
Also power ups have a time limit which is variable yet no indication of how much power up is left
Also whenever you stop moving to try to be more precise with a jump or something the screen IMMEDIATLY starts zooming to the protagonist
The entire screen flips when you change gravity instead of just changing gravity, something that is very head-ache producing
this game is just truly one of the worst videogames i've ever played, I don't know how they fucked up so much, like these are things that even YIIK nails for the love of god, I want to know what do you see in this game since this just feels like thrash
it's awful, just, awful, placed in how could you do this to me
well im sorry for teling you to play that I personally just liked it lmfao
I got other good games tho (games I think you'd like, they arent indie btw) but they take WAY more than 8 hours
Has anyone mentioned Oreimo yet?
Topic Starter
nopeRezq Gokou wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Oreimo yet?
Review The Giver
aight, rate itPatatitta wrote:
nopeRezq Gokou wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Oreimo yet?
Topic Starter
I assume you mean the anime right?Rezq Gokou wrote:
aight, rate itPatatitta wrote:
nopeRezq Gokou wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Oreimo yet?
Topic Starter
oreimo (dropped)
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i'm absolutely not doing the incest lolicon anime
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i'm absolutely not doing the incest lolicon anime
expected
Watch AnoHana (the anime series, 2011)
I wanna start guessing what rating you'll give stuff I knowreffty_gag wrote:
Watch AnoHana (the anime series, 2011)
I'm gonna guess A
Topic Starter
already watched did do laterreffty_gag wrote:
Watch AnoHana (the anime series, 2011)
Kinda crazy no-one's requested Evangelion yet, so I'll request it now
(For the 0.0001% chance you haven't watched it, watch the series "Neon Genesis Evangelion" first, then the movie "The End Of Evangelion")
My guess for your rating is B, and here's my thought process:
(For the 0.0001% chance you haven't watched it, watch the series "Neon Genesis Evangelion" first, then the movie "The End Of Evangelion")
My guess for your rating is B, and here's my thought process:
I feel like Evangelion moreso than a lot of other pieces of media/art generates a lot of different opinions, so honestly I wouldn't be surprised you giving it literally any tier except maybe "How could you ever do this to me".
I think one of the biggest reasons for this is that it feels like a very "holey" piece of art, like you can very easily poke a lot of holes in it and criticize and dislike many different aspects, and I feel like you'd be the type of guy to jump at these holes.
Next is that idk you don't seem very depressed? Internet armchair psychoanalysis right in front of the person in question's face aside, I feel like the enjoyment of Evangelion mostly hinges on the fact that it's about depression and other related negative emotions, and a person's response to what the anime is trying to say is going to be a major factor in how much they liked it. Not saying you need to be depressed to feel like the depression stuff is cool, but there's probably a correlation because it's easier to sympathise with the content of the anime the more you've experienced it yourself.
I feel like it won't be a super low rating though, like you seem to really appreciate the finer artistry in things, like how you can go off about a single page in Land of the Lustrous or Witch Hat Atelier, and I'm guessing this stuff is going to be a positive unless you really hate everything else to the point that this artistry isn't appreciable instead of just finding it just mid or vaguely interesting. When I was watching it I specifically remember there being a lot of cool shots and imagery, and that was a big part of my enjoyment of this series, but also that might've just been me trying to engage with this show a bit more than other anime because apparently this was supposed to be an epic big brain anime or something.
And in the end you seem to be the type of guy to go against popular opinion on a fair amount of things, and like the least hot hot take about anime in terms of how much it's said is that Evangelion is mid.
So my guess is B
Surely S tier though 🙏, I love Evangelion
I think one of the biggest reasons for this is that it feels like a very "holey" piece of art, like you can very easily poke a lot of holes in it and criticize and dislike many different aspects, and I feel like you'd be the type of guy to jump at these holes.
Next is that idk you don't seem very depressed? Internet armchair psychoanalysis right in front of the person in question's face aside, I feel like the enjoyment of Evangelion mostly hinges on the fact that it's about depression and other related negative emotions, and a person's response to what the anime is trying to say is going to be a major factor in how much they liked it. Not saying you need to be depressed to feel like the depression stuff is cool, but there's probably a correlation because it's easier to sympathise with the content of the anime the more you've experienced it yourself.
I feel like it won't be a super low rating though, like you seem to really appreciate the finer artistry in things, like how you can go off about a single page in Land of the Lustrous or Witch Hat Atelier, and I'm guessing this stuff is going to be a positive unless you really hate everything else to the point that this artistry isn't appreciable instead of just finding it just mid or vaguely interesting. When I was watching it I specifically remember there being a lot of cool shots and imagery, and that was a big part of my enjoyment of this series, but also that might've just been me trying to engage with this show a bit more than other anime because apparently this was supposed to be an epic big brain anime or something.
And in the end you seem to be the type of guy to go against popular opinion on a fair amount of things, and like the least hot hot take about anime in terms of how much it's said is that Evangelion is mid.
So my guess is B
Surely S tier though 🙏, I love Evangelion
Topic Starter
i've seen it, I have a lot of opinions about it, but it's not because of what you've writtenDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
Kinda crazy no-one's requested Evangelion yet, so I'll request it now
(For the 0.0001% chance you haven't watched it, watch the series "Neon Genesis Evangelion" first, then the movie "The End Of Evangelion")
My guess for your rating is B, and here's my thought process:I feel like Evangelion moreso than a lot of other pieces of media/art generates a lot of different opinions, so honestly I wouldn't be surprised you giving it literally any tier except maybe "How could you ever do this to me".
I think one of the biggest reasons for this is that it feels like a very "holey" piece of art, like you can very easily poke a lot of holes in it and criticize and dislike many different aspects, and I feel like you'd be the type of guy to jump at these holes.
Next is that idk you don't seem very depressed? Internet armchair psychoanalysis right in front of the person in question's face aside, I feel like the enjoyment of Evangelion mostly hinges on the fact that it's about depression and other related negative emotions, and a person's response to what the anime is trying to say is going to be a major factor in how much they liked it. Not saying you need to be depressed to feel like the depression stuff is cool, but there's probably a correlation because it's easier to sympathise with the content of the anime the more you've experienced it yourself.
I feel like it won't be a super low rating though, like you seem to really appreciate the finer artistry in things, like how you can go off about a single page in Land of the Lustrous or Witch Hat Atelier, and I'm guessing this stuff is going to be a positive unless you really hate everything else to the point that this artistry isn't appreciable instead of just finding it just mid or vaguely interesting. When I was watching it I specifically remember there being a lot of cool shots and imagery, and that was a big part of my enjoyment of this series, but also that might've just been me trying to engage with this show a bit more than other anime because apparently this was supposed to be an epic big brain anime or something.
And in the end you seem to be the type of guy to go against popular opinion on a fair amount of things, and like the least hot hot take about anime in terms of how much it's said is that Evangelion is mid.
So my guess is B
Surely S tier though 🙏, I love Evangelion
I was just joking about Oreimo. Rate Yakuza 0 or if you can't because too long rate A Space for the Unbound
Topic Starter
Anohana:
It's a pretty sad and emotional anime about a group of friends who see the ghost out of someone who used to be part of the group of friends, I enjoyed it
I'm a little bit blurry on it since I watched it quite some time ago, but, while it generally doesn't do anything too groundbreaking, it is very much enjoyable, not the most emotional, but it does kinda get to you
A thing I like about this anime compared to the other animes and games that have come out since then which are also about copign with the death of someone is that no one in anohana is really an asshole?, like, yes, they're affected by it, but it's clear that everyone has almost moved on, there are still underground, subconcious damage which is what the anime is focused on, buit it's not like you would see in omori of the changes being radical
A thing that anohana also has that other animes of this type really do is that focus on social relationship and if well, they actually trust the protagonist on that they ahve seen the ghost, because there are characters in this movie that will choose to act like they believe the protagonist even if they don't just to try to help them, and I think the exploration of that is neat
outside that, yeah, nothing anohana does is something I haven't already talked about in this thread
still pretty good
edit: honestly i've been thinking around it more, and I think it's also important that the character that dies or whatever is moe, because if it isn't moe and it's instead kind of an lovable asshole it just doesn't hit the same
placed on A rank
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Evangelion
Evangelion is a good anime, let's get that out first, however, there are certain things that I'm slightly mad about
First of all, evangelion, the original 24 episode anime is FULLY a mecha anime, it's not like "oh they subvert your thoughts about mechas" no the fuck that doesn't happen, original evangelion is big robots battling weird space things, and there is nothing wrong with that, while I don't think action is the most exciting, the characters have solid writing and I think the small moments of comedy go a long way
thing is, the last 4 chapters or so are a total mess?, they kinda completely change the focus of the anime and go deep into very psychological abstract storytelling which is something that while it is very popular today, it wasn't as popular back in the day, problem is that the ending was VERY unsatisfactory, it didn't really resolve the plotlines it had in a meaningful way, the animation quality suffered due to low budget, it was by all means a pretty bad ending, it was a badly done genre switch
you may see "oh well there were actually a bit of foreshadowing indicating that the anime was going to go that direction", this is missing the point. Let's say you were a mecha anime fan, you love gundam, you've even seen the previous anime of hideaki anno, gunbusters, and they make a new mecha anime, and you watch it expecting well a mecha anime, and under that context, under that lenses, there is no forshadowing, as that foreshadowing only exists if you're seeing it under a psychological anime lens
but let's say you were going to watch it as a psychological anime, now you have to basically watch 20 episodes of a mecha anime that you just don't really care about
after the release of evangelion, hideaki anno reportedly saw the ending again, and actually went "oh wait shit this doesn't work", and made the movie the end of evangelion to try to fix it
the end of evangelion is fine, I enjoyed it, it just really expands the ending with some pretty good cinematography and makes it actually easy to understand to general audiences, the movie was a success, people were happy with it, but evangelion still wasn't the best anime it could be, because while yes, that ending was fairly good and strong, the anime suffered from having 20 episodes of mechas fighting
Thing is, today, original evangelion has a reputation that I would go as far to say as it's undeserved. Currently the way evangelion is seen is "oh you're not smart enough to understand the end of evangelion", a lot of the fame evangelion has, (at least in spanish/speaking internet) it's that it's a extremely complex deeply psychological anime that subvers the mecha genre to do some wack stuff and it's also like extremely difficult to understasnd and not something normies would get
this is nowhere close to reality, evangelion isn't nearly that deep or hard to understand, but it has become the face of an entire part of the anime industry and that is something that we have to live with
Thing is, there is a reason why i'm calling it original evangelion, and that is, because the rebuild movies exist
a complete reimagination of evangelion that fixes the original series by actually managing your expectations properly and having the start and the end actually connect. Yes, the third movie is kinda bad, but i'm sorry, rebuild is just the best form of evangelion full stop, 4.0 is WAY better than the end evangelion
yet, you barely see any discussion of rebuild compared to discussion of the original anime, even you requested the original anime instead of the directly superior version, and that is, because the rebuild movies after the release of 4.0 don't really have that same reputation?
4.0 is a really easy movie to understand. It's still clearly has that mecha anime ADN but the psychological elements are introduced in way less dissonant way with way better animation and an ending that is WAY better IMO.
It's just, for a psychological anime, I think the discussions surrounding it are very superficial, at least for the original anime, it's like lain, the discussions surrounding lain are never about well, what the anime actually has to say but more the aesthetics and culture surrounding that anime
thing is, evangelion isn't even the best thing hideaki anno has done. He has other movies and animes (wow shocking I know), and like, ritual is better than original evangelion and I think it's around equal to 4.0 and that movie also has shinji iwai as one of the protagonists and honestly I don't think he was even acting he is just like that
Placed rebuild in A rank, placed original/end of evangelion in B rank.
It's a pretty sad and emotional anime about a group of friends who see the ghost out of someone who used to be part of the group of friends, I enjoyed it
I'm a little bit blurry on it since I watched it quite some time ago, but, while it generally doesn't do anything too groundbreaking, it is very much enjoyable, not the most emotional, but it does kinda get to you
A thing I like about this anime compared to the other animes and games that have come out since then which are also about copign with the death of someone is that no one in anohana is really an asshole?, like, yes, they're affected by it, but it's clear that everyone has almost moved on, there are still underground, subconcious damage which is what the anime is focused on, buit it's not like you would see in omori of the changes being radical
A thing that anohana also has that other animes of this type really do is that focus on social relationship and if well, they actually trust the protagonist on that they ahve seen the ghost, because there are characters in this movie that will choose to act like they believe the protagonist even if they don't just to try to help them, and I think the exploration of that is neat
outside that, yeah, nothing anohana does is something I haven't already talked about in this thread
still pretty good
edit: honestly i've been thinking around it more, and I think it's also important that the character that dies or whatever is moe, because if it isn't moe and it's instead kind of an lovable asshole it just doesn't hit the same
placed on A rank
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Evangelion
Evangelion is a good anime, let's get that out first, however, there are certain things that I'm slightly mad about
First of all, evangelion, the original 24 episode anime is FULLY a mecha anime, it's not like "oh they subvert your thoughts about mechas" no the fuck that doesn't happen, original evangelion is big robots battling weird space things, and there is nothing wrong with that, while I don't think action is the most exciting, the characters have solid writing and I think the small moments of comedy go a long way
thing is, the last 4 chapters or so are a total mess?, they kinda completely change the focus of the anime and go deep into very psychological abstract storytelling which is something that while it is very popular today, it wasn't as popular back in the day, problem is that the ending was VERY unsatisfactory, it didn't really resolve the plotlines it had in a meaningful way, the animation quality suffered due to low budget, it was by all means a pretty bad ending, it was a badly done genre switch
you may see "oh well there were actually a bit of foreshadowing indicating that the anime was going to go that direction", this is missing the point. Let's say you were a mecha anime fan, you love gundam, you've even seen the previous anime of hideaki anno, gunbusters, and they make a new mecha anime, and you watch it expecting well a mecha anime, and under that context, under that lenses, there is no forshadowing, as that foreshadowing only exists if you're seeing it under a psychological anime lens
but let's say you were going to watch it as a psychological anime, now you have to basically watch 20 episodes of a mecha anime that you just don't really care about
after the release of evangelion, hideaki anno reportedly saw the ending again, and actually went "oh wait shit this doesn't work", and made the movie the end of evangelion to try to fix it
the end of evangelion is fine, I enjoyed it, it just really expands the ending with some pretty good cinematography and makes it actually easy to understand to general audiences, the movie was a success, people were happy with it, but evangelion still wasn't the best anime it could be, because while yes, that ending was fairly good and strong, the anime suffered from having 20 episodes of mechas fighting
Thing is, today, original evangelion has a reputation that I would go as far to say as it's undeserved. Currently the way evangelion is seen is "oh you're not smart enough to understand the end of evangelion", a lot of the fame evangelion has, (at least in spanish/speaking internet) it's that it's a extremely complex deeply psychological anime that subvers the mecha genre to do some wack stuff and it's also like extremely difficult to understasnd and not something normies would get
this is nowhere close to reality, evangelion isn't nearly that deep or hard to understand, but it has become the face of an entire part of the anime industry and that is something that we have to live with
Thing is, there is a reason why i'm calling it original evangelion, and that is, because the rebuild movies exist
a complete reimagination of evangelion that fixes the original series by actually managing your expectations properly and having the start and the end actually connect. Yes, the third movie is kinda bad, but i'm sorry, rebuild is just the best form of evangelion full stop, 4.0 is WAY better than the end evangelion
yet, you barely see any discussion of rebuild compared to discussion of the original anime, even you requested the original anime instead of the directly superior version, and that is, because the rebuild movies after the release of 4.0 don't really have that same reputation?
4.0 is a really easy movie to understand. It's still clearly has that mecha anime ADN but the psychological elements are introduced in way less dissonant way with way better animation and an ending that is WAY better IMO.
It's just, for a psychological anime, I think the discussions surrounding it are very superficial, at least for the original anime, it's like lain, the discussions surrounding lain are never about well, what the anime actually has to say but more the aesthetics and culture surrounding that anime
thing is, evangelion isn't even the best thing hideaki anno has done. He has other movies and animes (wow shocking I know), and like, ritual is better than original evangelion and I think it's around equal to 4.0 and that movie also has shinji iwai as one of the protagonists and honestly I don't think he was even acting he is just like that
Placed rebuild in A rank, placed original/end of evangelion in B rank.
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already did a space for the unbound, check in the main thread, for yakuza 0, I will do later as I have already beaten that game (alon with the rest of the yakuza franchise with the exception of infinite wealth and some spinoffs like ishin or lost judgement)Rezq Gokou wrote:
I was just joking about Oreimo. Rate Yakuza 0 or if you can't because too long rate A Space for the Unbound
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actually doing it now because if not then I would have to update the tierlist twice and I feel more lazy thinking about having to open photoshop twice than taking more time of my day rn
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Yakuza 0
banger game and a banger franchise
Yakuza 0 is the second best yakuza game, and one of the three yakuza games I would consider to be peak (Like a dragon > zero > the man who erased his name)
Yakuza is a dated franchise, kiwami 1 and 2 aren't the best feeling games and 3-4 are kinda painful to play, what yakuza 0 offered is a way better entrypoint to the franchise and also to expand the franchise to the west
The gameplay of yakuza 0 isn't the most special, it has some pretty nice beat em up combat that works and it's fun, but it's neither the focus or what it does best, instead, yakuza 0 has two banger elements, and that is the story, and the minigames.
Generally, every yakuza game has a banger plot, it's the franchise strongest point, majime and kiryu are just fucking amazing, they're just really nice individuals placed in really awful situations that really humanizes them, the cinematics are fucking incredible and it's just amazing from start to end, probably my favourite gangster story even above things like the godfather
and now, the minigames. A lot of open world games have minigames, but honestly in most games they just feel like filler, a way to maybe pad the runtime or make the game feel bigger, like even in gta, the minigames are pretty basic and boring, however the minigames in yakuza are all sick as fuck. They have a lot more love put into it than any other game and they're often so over the top that you just want to keep advanding in the minigames see what happens
also, later in the franchise, the minigames start actually giving real gameplay advantages so it's even more encouraged to play it
on a similar note you have the sidequests, while the main plot is very grim, the sidequests, just like the mingames are very silly and honestly just comedy pieces, and as i've said in the past, we need more comedy in videogames
so yeah, A rank.
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Yakuza 0
banger game and a banger franchise
Yakuza 0 is the second best yakuza game, and one of the three yakuza games I would consider to be peak (Like a dragon > zero > the man who erased his name)
Yakuza is a dated franchise, kiwami 1 and 2 aren't the best feeling games and 3-4 are kinda painful to play, what yakuza 0 offered is a way better entrypoint to the franchise and also to expand the franchise to the west
The gameplay of yakuza 0 isn't the most special, it has some pretty nice beat em up combat that works and it's fun, but it's neither the focus or what it does best, instead, yakuza 0 has two banger elements, and that is the story, and the minigames.
Generally, every yakuza game has a banger plot, it's the franchise strongest point, majime and kiryu are just fucking amazing, they're just really nice individuals placed in really awful situations that really humanizes them, the cinematics are fucking incredible and it's just amazing from start to end, probably my favourite gangster story even above things like the godfather
and now, the minigames. A lot of open world games have minigames, but honestly in most games they just feel like filler, a way to maybe pad the runtime or make the game feel bigger, like even in gta, the minigames are pretty basic and boring, however the minigames in yakuza are all sick as fuck. They have a lot more love put into it than any other game and they're often so over the top that you just want to keep advanding in the minigames see what happens
also, later in the franchise, the minigames start actually giving real gameplay advantages so it's even more encouraged to play it
on a similar note you have the sidequests, while the main plot is very grim, the sidequests, just like the mingames are very silly and honestly just comedy pieces, and as i've said in the past, we need more comedy in videogames
so yeah, A rank.
damn I guessed both ratings correctly
Yeah evangelion goes off the rails in the end and it is a common criticism of eva. Although personally those episodes were something I really enjoyed. It's not conventional, they were meant to be more normal, but through the limitations of what was going on irl, they were able to birth really interesting and powerful art from it. A lot of my enjoyment came from the fact that it's so messy, the messyness makes it feel so raw and makes everything feel as fucked up as the characters are feeling. I'd go as far to say the last two episodes are my two favourite episodes even though they are literally just a slideshow with the type of philosophical self-introspection you do while pacing around in your room at 2 in the morning.
Wrote a whole paragraph here but I realised I was just agreeing with you so I deleted it
Haven't watched the rebuild movies but I really want to so I didn't read what you said about the rebuild movies
Yeah evangelion goes off the rails in the end and it is a common criticism of eva. Although personally those episodes were something I really enjoyed. It's not conventional, they were meant to be more normal, but through the limitations of what was going on irl, they were able to birth really interesting and powerful art from it. A lot of my enjoyment came from the fact that it's so messy, the messyness makes it feel so raw and makes everything feel as fucked up as the characters are feeling. I'd go as far to say the last two episodes are my two favourite episodes even though they are literally just a slideshow with the type of philosophical self-introspection you do while pacing around in your room at 2 in the morning.
Wrote a whole paragraph here but I realised I was just agreeing with you so I deleted it
Haven't watched the rebuild movies but I really want to so I didn't read what you said about the rebuild movies
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idk, I just think that there are way better psychological anime out there and the reputation evangelion has isn't really desevedDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
damn I guessed both ratings correctly
Yeah evangelion goes off the rails in the end and it is a common criticism of eva. Although personally those episodes were something I really enjoyed. It's not conventional, they were meant to be more normal, but through the limitations of what was going on irl, they were able to birth really interesting and powerful art from it. A lot of my enjoyment came from the fact that it's so messy, the messyness makes it feel so raw and makes everything feel as fucked up as the characters are feeling. I'd go as far to say the last two episodes are my two favourite episodes even though they are literally just a slideshow with the type of philosophical self-introspection you do while pacing around in your room at 2 in the morning.
Wrote a whole paragraph here but I realised I was just agreeing with you so I deleted it
Haven't watched the rebuild movies but I really want to so I didn't read what you said about the rebuild movies
I agree with the reputation thing, it feels really overhyped when there's so many people out there that don't think it's the greatest thing ever like you, and yeah it's not that deep or hard to understand, like it's plenty deep but it feels like the deepest thing ever because the deepness is really in-your-face, and the reason it feels hard to understand because it just abandoned being a conventional mecha anime and decided to be as mind-breaky as possible, even though what it's actually trying to say is easy to pick up on with how in-your-face it is. What even is deepness, is it just a piece of art trying to explore profound ideas?Patatitta wrote:
idk, I just think that there are way better psychological anime out there and the reputation evangelion has isn't really desevedDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
damn I guessed both ratings correctly
Yeah evangelion goes off the rails in the end and it is a common criticism of eva. Although personally those episodes were something I really enjoyed. It's not conventional, they were meant to be more normal, but through the limitations of what was going on irl, they were able to birth really interesting and powerful art from it. A lot of my enjoyment came from the fact that it's so messy, the messyness makes it feel so raw and makes everything feel as fucked up as the characters are feeling. I'd go as far to say the last two episodes are my two favourite episodes even though they are literally just a slideshow with the type of philosophical self-introspection you do while pacing around in your room at 2 in the morning.
Wrote a whole paragraph here but I realised I was just agreeing with you so I deleted it
Haven't watched the rebuild movies but I really want to so I didn't read what you said about the rebuild movies
Cipher the Video plz
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sureNuuskamuikkunen wrote:
Cipher the Video plz