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this?igorsprite wrote:
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Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
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next: akagi
still playing gta IV
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
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next: akagi
still playing gta IV
holy shit thanks for reminding me of this movie, it was so goofy and funPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
can you do thank you isekai, it's a manga
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this?DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
holy shit thanks for reminding me of this movie, it was so goofy and funPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
can you do thank you isekai, it's a manga
yesPatatitta wrote:
this?DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
holy shit thanks for reminding me of this movie, it was so goofy and funPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
can you do thank you isekai, it's a manga
Topic Starter
will doDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
yesPatatitta wrote:
this?DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
holy shit thanks for reminding me of this movie, it was so goofy and funPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
can you do thank you isekai, it's a manga
I'm putting 20 bucks on d tierPatatitta wrote:
will doDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
yesPatatitta wrote:
this?DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
holy shit thanks for reminding me of this movie, it was so goofy and funPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
can you do thank you isekai, it's a manga
Wow surprised you didn't talk about the lady with 3 boobsPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
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next: akagi
still playing gta IV
Next I'm requesting a nightmare on elm street (1984)
Topic Starter
I didn't have anything to say about that scene lmao, also, if I recall correctly in the movie "paul" a comic the guy drew about a woman with 3 breasts was a big plot point, that movie sucked ass thoMaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
Wow surprised you didn't talk about the lady with 3 boobsPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
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next: akagi
still playing gta IV
Next I'm requesting a nightmare on elm street (1984)
also, idk about watching that one, i'm not really into slashers and there are like 9 movies of this
No I'm just talking abt the 1st one bcz that's the only one I've seenPatatitta wrote:
I didn't have anything to say about that scene lmao, also, if I recall correctly in the movie "paul" a comic the guy drew about a woman with 3 breasts was a big plot point, that movie sucked ass thoMaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
Wow surprised you didn't talk about the lady with 3 boobsPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
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next: akagi
still playing gta IV
Next I'm requesting a nightmare on elm street (1984)
also, idk about watching that one, i'm not really into slashers and there are like 9 movies of this
Review the opening ceremony of the Olympics Games at Paris 2024
olympics are a disease for a country with social problems, great portion of the tax money goes to a show that people will forget next year, creating a big deficit for the coming what? 2-5 years?Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Review the opening ceremony of the Olympics Games at Paris 2024
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denied, what is there to really talk about there?, what is of interest to me?Corne2Plum3 wrote:
Review the opening ceremony of the Olympics Games at Paris 2024
I guess I will do it but just letting you know it's not escaping D tierMaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
No I'm just talking abt the 1st one bcz that's the only one I've seenPatatitta wrote:
I didn't have anything to say about that scene lmao, also, if I recall correctly in the movie "paul" a comic the guy drew about a woman with 3 breasts was a big plot point, that movie sucked ass thoMaxIsABigKaiju wrote:
Wow surprised you didn't talk about the lady with 3 boobsPatatitta wrote:
Total Recall
more like, I totally can't recall any clever puns using the title as a base
total recall is an 1990 science fiction action movie staring schwarzenegger about a guy who goes to an agency that sells memory, and tries to buy memories of being a super cool spy in mars
the movie had a single objective, and that was to make schwarzenegger look cool and sexy, and they accomplished that, literally the first scene is the guy waking up and a girl going like I want to have so much sex with you and then starting 30 minutes into the movie he just starts killing people with blood everywhere it's just a very manly movie
thing is, audiences back then were really into this shit, schwazenegger was a total celebrity and people were really down bad for him, but now, that we're kinda out of that culturar phenomenon, the reason why this movie stays relevant to this day is the practical effects, this movie had barely no CGI, they used other methods to get all the effects they wanted, and originality of it and the way they look is the main appeal of the movie now
thing is, for me, that alone cant really carry the entire movie, it looks good sure, but idk, I don't really like the action that much
placed in d tier
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next: akagi
still playing gta IV
Next I'm requesting a nightmare on elm street (1984)
also, idk about watching that one, i'm not really into slashers and there are like 9 movies of this
ik ur not done with my request yet but could you add azumanga daioh to the queue
Topic Starter
dont worry, you can request multiple things at once even, I don't mind the list becoming long, also lucky for you, I have already watched azumanga daiohLapizote wrote:
ik ur not done with my request yet but could you add azumanga daioh to the queue
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I'm mixed on azumanga daioh, on one hand it's undoubtedly a pretty good anime which basically created the slice of life/school/comedy genre, on the other hand, I don't like how azumanga daioh is percieved by the internet today.
Azumanga daioh, the manga, actually came out in 1999 and it was a hit, the manga follows a 4koma format, which has existed long before azumanga, but I think azumanga does one of the best uses for it's time. A 4koma is a way of drawing manga where you have two columns with 4 panels each. azumanga daioh, being a comedy, uses every strip as way to set up a then perform a joke or a gag.
This is actually something that also existed in europe and america in the newspaper, I think the most obvious example of this is garfield, which had 3 panels strips, although, azumanga daioh was able to easily avoid some of the mistakes garfield had. First of all, making it happen on a school is genious, it's a low stakes environment where you can just see the characters interacting with each other and making jokes, while still having enough diversity of scenarios to make things interesting, and, also very important, the actual graduation marks a natural end for the work. Compare this to garfield and the difference is obvious, garfield can be pretty boring with it's scenarios, it runs forever, and it has less of a plot compared to azumanga daioh.
After that, this was translated into anime, which, even if a little less beloved than the manga, it also proved that adapting this type of work could be really successful, which would help launching the genre. The actual setting of the anime allowed them to have control over the pacing of the jokes, however, none of the jokes relied on timing too hard as well, it was first a manga.
All of the things that azumanga daioh does, while being standard today, were pretty new for it's time, and while it's not really peak, it's still enjoyable today.
So, what is the perception of azumanga daioh today?, a very solid anime beloved for pushing the genre it was part of forward?, fuck no, a clip of an azumanga daioh gag got popular online and that's about it
The reason azumanga daioh it's known for are like 3 jokes that osaka does over the course of the anime
I don't like this. I guess that it's better than it falling into obscurity, but I don't think this is nearly making justice to the anime, and it also showcases a side to the internet I really dislike
Since the point were that azumanga daioh clip went viral, I've had multiple friends try to recommend me to watch azumanga daioh, even while I had already read it and acutally talked to them about the anime a year or so prior, or even a real life friend of mine saying they were going to watch it because they thought I was a really big fan of it, and while I do like it, it's not an anime I would recommend as there are better things nowadays
I hate how meme culture has kinda warped the public perception of certain works of fiction like azumanga daioh or serial experiments lain, we seem to have a mindset that if something has a lot of memes, it must be good, that's the reason sony released morbious for the second time
Nowadays, you first see the meme, you laugh at the meme, and then you MAYBE watch the anime with the acutal mindset of the meme and the culture around it, which it's a VERY distorted way of actually looking at the anime
You cant and should not take memes as an indicator of what to watch. Honestly, I kinda dislike the idea of just finishing a movie or an anime and then immediatly googling memes for it (i've seen people do this even from before they have finished watching it and got spoiled...), since it really distorts the view of the anime
we're also in a similar situation to bocchi the rock, where all the glory instead of being directed to the fact that slice of life anime can be really good, the actuall anime is treated as an exception to the norm, so not that many people that have seen bocchi or azumanga daioh and enjoyed it have transitioned to actually watching more of the genre
anyways, for as much as I hate the public perception, the anime is still good, placed at A rank.
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still playing gta IV
still watching akagi, may still take me like 3/4 days or so.
Topic Starter
WAIT HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I did not remember what your other request was, I looked at it while I was editing the OP to change the tier list and stuff and I realized I HAD finished the book, but completely forgot to make the post about it even if I have thought extensively about it in the shower, I'm making another post and not editing this since i'm afraid of you seeing the original post and not realizing I've edited it like 20 minutes later
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Bluets
ngl I don't really get this book
Bluets is a poetry collection about the thoughts of a woman on the topic of the color blue. Even if it's poety, it's written on prose
I don't mind it being in prose, I think it works well for what the book is aiming to do which is kinda show literally what her actual thoughts on the color blue are, I feel that if you were it to write it a traditional poetry book, it would kinda remove that naturality that the book has, which would make the book worse IMO
now, for the actual contents of the book, while the book does talk extensively about the color blue, the way I percieve it is that the color blue isn't the direct focus of the book, but so more a device to allow her to talk about certain topics like the love or the actual act of writing the book.
This is where my actual complaints of the book come into play, while the actual short sentences and paragraphs are thought provoking, even while thinking hard about them, I haven't really been able to reach any interesting conclusion, there isn't really much that I hadn't thought before reading the book, while it does give you the sensation of it being thought provoking, it really doesn't guide torwards any conclusion, you just kinda read it, go "huh", and move on.
I think that there are many other books that carry with them more interesting ideas, so yeah, this books kinda feel pointless?, I could sit and analyze it line by line, but what would that accomplish? I could just do that same process on another book I feel it's more interesting
The book has like 3-4 train of ideas which all mix together, so you're kinda switching from topic to topic and back. The reason why the book feels so chaotic is because the actual author scrambled the pages around, I don't really get this part really
what does that accomplish?, sure, it makes reading it more confusing and chaotic, an idea that popped to my head of why this is this way it's because it makes it feel more realistic, same reason why I feel the prose works well, but this isn't really the case?, if the author didn't write it in that order, the actual scrambling of it makes it seem less realistic, not more, and while being confusing can be good, as I said earlier, I don't think that this books really benefits for it because the actual core is empty
idk, placed at D tier
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next: thank you, isekai!
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Bluets
ngl I don't really get this book
Bluets is a poetry collection about the thoughts of a woman on the topic of the color blue. Even if it's poety, it's written on prose
I don't mind it being in prose, I think it works well for what the book is aiming to do which is kinda show literally what her actual thoughts on the color blue are, I feel that if you were it to write it a traditional poetry book, it would kinda remove that naturality that the book has, which would make the book worse IMO
now, for the actual contents of the book, while the book does talk extensively about the color blue, the way I percieve it is that the color blue isn't the direct focus of the book, but so more a device to allow her to talk about certain topics like the love or the actual act of writing the book.
This is where my actual complaints of the book come into play, while the actual short sentences and paragraphs are thought provoking, even while thinking hard about them, I haven't really been able to reach any interesting conclusion, there isn't really much that I hadn't thought before reading the book, while it does give you the sensation of it being thought provoking, it really doesn't guide torwards any conclusion, you just kinda read it, go "huh", and move on.
I think that there are many other books that carry with them more interesting ideas, so yeah, this books kinda feel pointless?, I could sit and analyze it line by line, but what would that accomplish? I could just do that same process on another book I feel it's more interesting
The book has like 3-4 train of ideas which all mix together, so you're kinda switching from topic to topic and back. The reason why the book feels so chaotic is because the actual author scrambled the pages around, I don't really get this part really
what does that accomplish?, sure, it makes reading it more confusing and chaotic, an idea that popped to my head of why this is this way it's because it makes it feel more realistic, same reason why I feel the prose works well, but this isn't really the case?, if the author didn't write it in that order, the actual scrambling of it makes it seem less realistic, not more, and while being confusing can be good, as I said earlier, I don't think that this books really benefits for it because the actual core is empty
idk, placed at D tier
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next: thank you, isekai!
thanks for actually getting thru that even if it confused the hell out of you - love to see other perspectivesPatatitta wrote:
big textWAIT HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I did not remember what your other request was, I looked at it while I was editing the OP to change the tier list and stuff and I realized I HAD finished the book, but completely forgot to make the post about it even if I have thought extensively about it in the shower, I'm making another post and not editing this since i'm afraid of you seeing the original post and not realizing I've edited it like 20 minutes later
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Bluets
ngl I don't really get this book
Bluets is a poetry collection about the thoughts of a woman on the topic of the color blue. Even if it's poety, it's written on prose
I don't mind it being in prose, I think it works well for what the book is aiming to do which is kinda show literally what her actual thoughts on the color blue are, I feel that if you were it to write it a traditional poetry book, it would kinda remove that naturality that the book has, which would make the book worse IMO
now, for the actual contents of the book, while the book does talk extensively about the color blue, the way I percieve it is that the color blue isn't the direct focus of the book, but so more a device to allow her to talk about certain topics like the love or the actual act of writing the book.
This is where my actual complaints of the book come into play, while the actual short sentences and paragraphs are thought provoking, even while thinking hard about them, I haven't really been able to reach any interesting conclusion, there isn't really much that I hadn't thought before reading the book, while it does give you the sensation of it being thought provoking, it really doesn't guide torwards any conclusion, you just kinda read it, go "huh", and move on.
I think that there are many other books that carry with them more interesting ideas, so yeah, this books kinda feel pointless?, I could sit and analyze it line by line, but what would that accomplish? I could just do that same process on another book I feel it's more interesting
The book has like 3-4 train of ideas which all mix together, so you're kinda switching from topic to topic and back. The reason why the book feels so chaotic is because the actual author scrambled the pages around, I don't really get this part really
what does that accomplish?, sure, it makes reading it more confusing and chaotic, an idea that popped to my head of why this is this way it's because it makes it feel more realistic, same reason why I feel the prose works well, but this isn't really the case?, if the author didn't write it in that order, the actual scrambling of it makes it seem less realistic, not more, and while being confusing can be good, as I said earlier, I don't think that this books really benefits for it because the actual core is empty
idk, placed at D tier
just gonna share some thoughts of mine, maybe you'd find it interesting
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honestly what made the book most appealing to me in the first place was not in the meaning nor the conclusion, but rather because of the experience that i felt through just reading it
(being written as a stream of consciousness type thing) its like a little unstable lsd trip or like listening to a friend under the influence yap to you while you're sleep deprived at 3 am - everytime i read it i was sent in a sort of a trance. (fun fact: the author was under the influence when she wrote this book)
also i dont think there really is an intended meaning/conclusion that the book guides you towards - the reader is really left with the (optional) task of picking up whatever conclusions they can gather from the mess. there is validity in your statement that it is pointless, because it really is. makes it derridian in a sense.
would there be other books that tackle similar themes in a clearer manner? definitely. would they give the same experience as bluets? i kinda doubt it.
idk maybe what im saying isnt really making sense, ig what i can just say is that i enjoyed the book for no logical reason whatsoever. its kinda like the fascination that i have with artists like playboi carti who dont really have anything of value to say in their music or intentional godawful music like trout mask replica.
(being written as a stream of consciousness type thing) its like a little unstable lsd trip or like listening to a friend under the influence yap to you while you're sleep deprived at 3 am - everytime i read it i was sent in a sort of a trance. (fun fact: the author was under the influence when she wrote this book)
also i dont think there really is an intended meaning/conclusion that the book guides you towards - the reader is really left with the (optional) task of picking up whatever conclusions they can gather from the mess. there is validity in your statement that it is pointless, because it really is. makes it derridian in a sense.
would there be other books that tackle similar themes in a clearer manner? definitely. would they give the same experience as bluets? i kinda doubt it.
idk maybe what im saying isnt really making sense, ig what i can just say is that i enjoyed the book for no logical reason whatsoever. its kinda like the fascination that i have with artists like playboi carti who dont really have anything of value to say in their music or intentional godawful music like trout mask replica.
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I get what you mean, that the book is more about the experience than anything else, but I don't really agree with it either, there are books out there that offer the same confusion and experience that aren't empty, that have interesting ideas, so while would you choose to read an empty book over one that is actually interesting beyond the surface level?Lapizote wrote:
thanks for actually getting thru that even if it confused the hell out of you - love to see other perspectivesPatatitta wrote:
big textWAIT HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I did not remember what your other request was, I looked at it while I was editing the OP to change the tier list and stuff and I realized I HAD finished the book, but completely forgot to make the post about it even if I have thought extensively about it in the shower, I'm making another post and not editing this since i'm afraid of you seeing the original post and not realizing I've edited it like 20 minutes later
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Bluets
ngl I don't really get this book
Bluets is a poetry collection about the thoughts of a woman on the topic of the color blue. Even if it's poety, it's written on prose
I don't mind it being in prose, I think it works well for what the book is aiming to do which is kinda show literally what her actual thoughts on the color blue are, I feel that if you were it to write it a traditional poetry book, it would kinda remove that naturality that the book has, which would make the book worse IMO
now, for the actual contents of the book, while the book does talk extensively about the color blue, the way I percieve it is that the color blue isn't the direct focus of the book, but so more a device to allow her to talk about certain topics like the love or the actual act of writing the book.
This is where my actual complaints of the book come into play, while the actual short sentences and paragraphs are thought provoking, even while thinking hard about them, I haven't really been able to reach any interesting conclusion, there isn't really much that I hadn't thought before reading the book, while it does give you the sensation of it being thought provoking, it really doesn't guide torwards any conclusion, you just kinda read it, go "huh", and move on.
I think that there are many other books that carry with them more interesting ideas, so yeah, this books kinda feel pointless?, I could sit and analyze it line by line, but what would that accomplish? I could just do that same process on another book I feel it's more interesting
The book has like 3-4 train of ideas which all mix together, so you're kinda switching from topic to topic and back. The reason why the book feels so chaotic is because the actual author scrambled the pages around, I don't really get this part really
what does that accomplish?, sure, it makes reading it more confusing and chaotic, an idea that popped to my head of why this is this way it's because it makes it feel more realistic, same reason why I feel the prose works well, but this isn't really the case?, if the author didn't write it in that order, the actual scrambling of it makes it seem less realistic, not more, and while being confusing can be good, as I said earlier, I don't think that this books really benefits for it because the actual core is empty
idk, placed at D tier
just gonna share some thoughts of mine, maybe you'd find it interestingmore texthonestly what made the book most appealing to me in the first place was not in the meaning nor the conclusion, but rather because of the experience that i felt through just reading it
(being written as a stream of consciousness type thing) its like a little unstable lsd trip or like listening to a friend under the influence yap to you while you're sleep deprived at 3 am - everytime i read it i was sent in a sort of a trance. (fun fact: the author was under the influence when she wrote this book)
also i dont think there really is an intended meaning/conclusion that the book guides you towards - the reader is really left with the (optional) task of picking up whatever conclusions they can gather from the mess. there is validity in your statement that it is pointless, because it really is. makes it derridian in a sense.
would there be other books that tackle similar themes in a clearer manner? definitely. would they give the same experience as bluets? i kinda doubt it.
idk maybe what im saying isnt really making sense, ig what i can just say is that i enjoyed the book for no logical reason whatsoever. its kinda like the fascination that i have with artists like playboi carti who dont really have anything of value to say in their music or intentional godawful music like trout mask replica.
the emptiness is part of the appeal to me - though im unable to actually identify specifically why (maybe i find the exercise of the aforementioned picking up from something pointless to be fun? or maybe it leads to a thought exercise in aestheticism that i am not philosophically well-read enough to actually discuss about) sorry i dont really have a satisfying answer for this.Patatitta wrote:
I get what you mean, that the book is more about the experience than anything else, but I don't really agree with it either, there are books out there that offer the same confusion and experience that aren't empty, that have interesting ideas, so while would you choose to read an empty book over one that is actually interesting beyond the surface level?
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Thank you, Isekai! (read all that was published to this point, since it's still ongoing)
This is somehow better than I expected and worse than I expected, both at the same time.
Thank you isekai is a manga about two people that die at a highschool reunion party due to alcohol poisoning that are reborn in a isekai world as the opposite gender, and surprisingly, the setting isn't bad at all. The actual art is pretty good, and there are a couple scenes that you can feel like the story is actually trying to pull of something cool, however, I feel it completely fumbles the execution
While the art is good, it's never given space to flourish, the manga never relies on it's good art like a shinichi sakamoto would, every individual panel is detailed and nice, but it never produces any individual panel that is really impactful to you, no real moment in the manga is elevated by the art, it just doesn't take advantage of it, this is better than if they didn't have good art at all, but I believe it's missed potential.
Now, what I don't like about this manga and honestly the whole reason keeping this down, it cant help itself but be extremely sexual for no reason at all. It relies WAYYYYY too hard on sex appeal, and it's not even like regular fanservice, but more there are like 3 scenes about rape so far, there is also a scene involving a gloryhole and some other stuff too, there is also basically no plot.
However, inside that mess there is actually a really great moment that would actually have been very good if the rest of the manga were different. After some time has happened and the protagonists have gone over the shock and dopamine of being in a isekai world, one of the protagonist gets fairly depressed about having died in the real world and being turned into a girl, they end up developing a very pessimistic and nihilistic view of things, and basically decide to sell themselve for sex work. Although, the other protagonist accidently walks into them and some random dude they picked up from the street about to have sex and forces them to not do it.
This scene is actually good, it's the first time any of those themes are brought up in the manga, it would have been pretty impactful if the earlier part of the manga had been done better, the idea of being reborn in a isekai world as a girl, being happy for a while, until that happiness slowly fades away and are forced to live with the knowledge of having died in the real world while also tackling the dysphoria inherent to being turned the opposite sex in a medieval fantasy scenario is a really good one, but they just don't want to do it, the author doesn't seem to write a story like that
That scene doesn't seem to have any weight for the rest of the story, it just tries to move into a more generic type of isekai once again, all the sexual mentions moving forwards are also done in pretty bad taste and with none of the nuances of that one scene, just going back to fetishizing lesbians and whatever.
I do think the writer and illustrator have the potential to write a REALLY good story in general, they have good art and while even trying to do something commercial and generic it did flash peak fiction for a moment, they're just too blinded by their own boner to realize that potential
so yeah, this sadly goes in D tier
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nothing on the reading list
still playing gta
close to finishing akagi, I may be able to finish it tomorrow
This is somehow better than I expected and worse than I expected, both at the same time.
Thank you isekai is a manga about two people that die at a highschool reunion party due to alcohol poisoning that are reborn in a isekai world as the opposite gender, and surprisingly, the setting isn't bad at all. The actual art is pretty good, and there are a couple scenes that you can feel like the story is actually trying to pull of something cool, however, I feel it completely fumbles the execution
While the art is good, it's never given space to flourish, the manga never relies on it's good art like a shinichi sakamoto would, every individual panel is detailed and nice, but it never produces any individual panel that is really impactful to you, no real moment in the manga is elevated by the art, it just doesn't take advantage of it, this is better than if they didn't have good art at all, but I believe it's missed potential.
Now, what I don't like about this manga and honestly the whole reason keeping this down, it cant help itself but be extremely sexual for no reason at all. It relies WAYYYYY too hard on sex appeal, and it's not even like regular fanservice, but more there are like 3 scenes about rape so far, there is also a scene involving a gloryhole and some other stuff too, there is also basically no plot.
However, inside that mess there is actually a really great moment that would actually have been very good if the rest of the manga were different. After some time has happened and the protagonists have gone over the shock and dopamine of being in a isekai world, one of the protagonist gets fairly depressed about having died in the real world and being turned into a girl, they end up developing a very pessimistic and nihilistic view of things, and basically decide to sell themselve for sex work. Although, the other protagonist accidently walks into them and some random dude they picked up from the street about to have sex and forces them to not do it.
This scene is actually good, it's the first time any of those themes are brought up in the manga, it would have been pretty impactful if the earlier part of the manga had been done better, the idea of being reborn in a isekai world as a girl, being happy for a while, until that happiness slowly fades away and are forced to live with the knowledge of having died in the real world while also tackling the dysphoria inherent to being turned the opposite sex in a medieval fantasy scenario is a really good one, but they just don't want to do it, the author doesn't seem to write a story like that
That scene doesn't seem to have any weight for the rest of the story, it just tries to move into a more generic type of isekai once again, all the sexual mentions moving forwards are also done in pretty bad taste and with none of the nuances of that one scene, just going back to fetishizing lesbians and whatever.
I do think the writer and illustrator have the potential to write a REALLY good story in general, they have good art and while even trying to do something commercial and generic it did flash peak fiction for a moment, they're just too blinded by their own boner to realize that potential
so yeah, this sadly goes in D tier
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nothing on the reading list
still playing gta
close to finishing akagi, I may be able to finish it tomorrow
At least I guessed where you'll put it correctly lolPatatitta wrote:
Thank you, Isekai! (read all that was published to this point, since it's still ongoing)
This is somehow better than I expected and worse than I expected, both at the same time.
Thank you isekai is a manga about two people that die at a highschool reunion party due to alcohol poisoning that are reborn in a isekai world as the opposite gender, and surprisingly, the setting isn't bad at all. The actual art is pretty good, and there are a couple scenes that you can feel like the story is actually trying to pull of something cool, however, I feel it completely fumbles the execution
While the art is good, it's never given space to flourish, the manga never relies on it's good art like a shinichi sakamoto would, every individual panel is detailed and nice, but it never produces any individual panel that is really impactful to you, no real moment in the manga is elevated by the art, it just doesn't take advantage of it, this is better than if they didn't have good art at all, but I believe it's missed potential.
Now, what I don't like about this manga and honestly the whole reason keeping this down, it cant help itself but be extremely sexual for no reason at all. It relies WAYYYYY too hard on sex appeal, and it's not even like regular fanservice, but more there are like 3 scenes about rape so far, there is also a scene involving a gloryhole and some other stuff too, there is also basically no plot.
However, inside that mess there is actually a really great moment that would actually have been very good if the rest of the manga were different. After some time has happened and the protagonists have gone over the shock and dopamine of being in a isekai world, one of the protagonist gets fairly depressed about having died in the real world and being turned into a girl, they end up developing a very pessimistic and nihilistic view of things, and basically decide to sell themselve for sex work. Although, the other protagonist accidently walks into them and some random dude they picked up from the street about to have sex and forces them to not do it.
This scene is actually good, it's the first time any of those themes are brought up in the manga, it would have been pretty impactful if the earlier part of the manga had been done better, the idea of being reborn in a isekai world as a girl, being happy for a while, until that happiness slowly fades away and are forced to live with the knowledge of having died in the real world while also tackling the dysphoria inherent to being turned the opposite sex in a medieval fantasy scenario is a really good one, but they just don't want to do it, the author doesn't seem to write a story like that
That scene doesn't seem to have any weight for the rest of the story, it just tries to move into a more generic type of isekai once again, all the sexual mentions moving forwards are also done in pretty bad taste and with none of the nuances of that one scene, just going back to fetishizing lesbians and whatever.
I do think the writer and illustrator have the potential to write a REALLY good story in general, they have good art and while even trying to do something commercial and generic it did flash peak fiction for a moment, they're just too blinded by their own boner to realize that potential
so yeah, this sadly goes in D tier
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nothing on the reading list
still playing gta
close to finishing akagi, I may be able to finish it tomorrow
I think I might be the only one in existence who glazes this manga 😭
Not only is in not that highly regarded in general, but there's like no-one talking about it online, which is kinda why I wanted to see your thoughts on it. Maybe this is just an excuse for me to talk about it as well.
I expected the weird sexual elements of this manga to be the main complaint, like yeah it's kinda horny with some really weird scenes. I feel like from what I read this is what a lot of people didn't like about the manga as well, and for very good reason. Idk why it didn't bother me that much though, maybe because this didn't feel that out of place with a lot of other stuff I've come across, and at least this has a huge leg up by not being explicitly about minors at least.
I think the problem with the sexual elements here is that it doesn't feel like it's done in a way in which it feels like you're supposed to particularly enjoy (at least I hope), like it's not done in a way to have the reader enjoy it sexually or to explore any really interesting ideas (for the most part), just kinda for shock value and humour which could've been achieved without this much sexual stuff, yet it still goes quite far in spite of that. Add onto that how the original owners of the body are established as proper, independent characters that are likely to appear later, and their bodies being portrayed sexually without their consent or knowledge or anything (without it even being addressed in the manga, or at least I don't remember it being a big thing) feels very icky and in bad taste. In spite of me saying all this I still don't really know why it didn't bother me that much, maybe it's just that I enjoyed everything else to the point where I could overlook this aspect of the manga.
One thing I didn't think about before was how you said that there was this one great moment and that it would've been cool to explore more of that, and honestly I agree. But I also feel like it would go against what the manga is trying to be, like you can't really have a fun isekai adventure if you are constantly experiencing dysphoria with your situation.
Like I disagree that it fumbles with the execution, because what it was trying to execute was basically "what if we took isekai and made it actually good and interesting while still keeping the spirit of isekai" and it nails that imo.
I really feel like this pulls away from the other isekai out there because instead of just going to some generic isekai world with some generic isekai power and having some generic isekai adventure and there's a ton of cute girls for some reason, I feel like the author tried to approach isekai from a more grounded, realistic angle. For the main characters the world isn't everything open to them to do whatever, it's a struggle just like how anyone would struggle going to a different world. They're (I forgot their names lol) not equally fortunate with the bodies they were given, just like if any two people were reincarnated into two random bodies, they would also be far from equal. Of course you'd wonder about what happened to you in your original body and are shook that you died, and of course you'd wonder about who's body you'd taken. Even the sexual stuff to some extent, if a straight non-asexual male was reincarnated to a girl yeah they'd get horny. It feels like the author thought of isekai concepts and went "hmm, what would it actually be like", and it's incredibly refreshing and makes everything feel so much more engaging, I remember there being so many interesting moments watching two people believably explore and navigate an isekai world.
Yet at the same time it's all about the isekai experience, that sense of adventure and the new beginning that isekai are about, and which the main characters strive and work hard for. A big theme is the character's own relationship with isekai and fantasy, especially with things like the magic system being the one the elf came up with as a kid, and him as a teen rejecting that magic system which is reflected as him losing a bunch of his power, it feels like an intimate exploration of this person's relationship with fantasy in general.
As much as it subverts common isekai tropes it feels like a celebration and exploration of isekai and a work fully commited to enjoy isekai for what it is, which I think might be what the title is referring to. And that sense of adventure is so well captured, I remember being hooked to this reading late into the night and having proper manga withdrawal when I had to stop, something I don't really feel like I've felt in a long time, it really felt like I got swept into it.
I'd go as far to say that out of every isekai I've read (a fuckton) this and re zero (which also got a d lol) are the only two good isekai ever which actually properly utilise and explore the idea of an isekai.
And it's interesting that I'm kinda alone in this view, even the other positive reviews I've seen kinda amount to "yeah it's good" but with more words, and it feels like other people will briefly mention something like "it's a generic isekai" and then rag on it for other things.
Am I crazy or what, this is like the one manga/anime opinion that I feel like is completely unique to me, usually I fall really in line with popular opinions.
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I don't agree with your point, I think that if you're lookine for an isekai which objective is to be fun and nothing more you lave a lot better options to choose from
there are a few more scenes that try to tell something yeah, like that one you mentioned with the magic system, but I don't think it does a very good job at that, you craete the implications that part of the world was basically modeled by their own memories and life experiences, something that could carry the entire plot by it's own, yet, it's never really explored, it's mentioned but they never do anything interesting with it
I don't think this manga is subverting anything, it doesnt take advantage of you believing the manga is going to fall into certain tropes to then fuck you over, as it just does end up falling into all of thise tropes without much nuance
I think that isekai as a genre can host good anime, in fact, sonny boy can be legally considered an isekai and that anime is fucking crazy, but it just doesnt really a critical volume of works like that to really escape the criticism of the genre
there are a few more scenes that try to tell something yeah, like that one you mentioned with the magic system, but I don't think it does a very good job at that, you craete the implications that part of the world was basically modeled by their own memories and life experiences, something that could carry the entire plot by it's own, yet, it's never really explored, it's mentioned but they never do anything interesting with it
I don't think this manga is subverting anything, it doesnt take advantage of you believing the manga is going to fall into certain tropes to then fuck you over, as it just does end up falling into all of thise tropes without much nuance
I think that isekai as a genre can host good anime, in fact, sonny boy can be legally considered an isekai and that anime is fucking crazy, but it just doesnt really a critical volume of works like that to really escape the criticism of the genre
like what though, i would like to readPatatitta wrote:
I don't agree with your point, I think that if you're lookine for an isekai which objective is to be fun and nothing more you lave a lot better options to choose from
It was interesting to me, and because it's not finished and this feels like such a big underpinning idea I assume they'll go somewhere with thisPatatitta wrote:
there are a few more scenes that try to tell something yeah, like that one you mentioned with the magic system, but I don't think it does a very good job at that, you craete the implications that part of the world was basically modeled by their own memories and life experiences, something that could carry the entire plot by it's own, yet, it's never really explored, it's mentioned but they never do anything interesting with it
It felt subversive to me so yeah 👍Patatitta wrote:
I don't think this manga is subverting anything, it doesnt take advantage of you believing the manga is going to fall into certain tropes to then fuck you over, as it just does end up falling into all of thise tropes without much nuance
Well not entirely, but within the bounds of super generic isekai tropes if that makes sense, like it does all the tropes but in a fresh, interesting way that feels subversive because of the way they're explored in a grounded manner. Maybe what's actually feels subversive to me is this grounded/realistic perspective compared to how isekai generally present themselves, idk if I'm explaining it well.
Also can I request RRR (indian movie)
Topic Starter
DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
like what though, i would like to readPatatitta wrote:
I don't agree with your point, I think that if you're lookine for an isekai which objective is to be fun and nothing more you lave a lot better options to choose fromIt was interesting to me, and because it's not finished and this feels like such a big underpinning idea I assume they'll go somewhere with thisPatatitta wrote:
there are a few more scenes that try to tell something yeah, like that one you mentioned with the magic system, but I don't think it does a very good job at that, you craete the implications that part of the world was basically modeled by their own memories and life experiences, something that could carry the entire plot by it's own, yet, it's never really explored, it's mentioned but they never do anything interesting with itIt felt subversive to me so yeah 👍Patatitta wrote:
I don't think this manga is subverting anything, it doesnt take advantage of you believing the manga is going to fall into certain tropes to then fuck you over, as it just does end up falling into all of thise tropes without much nuance
Well not entirely, but within the bounds of super generic isekai tropes if that makes sense, like it does all the tropes but in a fresh, interesting way that feels subversive because of the way they're explored in a grounded manner. Maybe what's actually feels subversive to me is this grounded/realistic perspective compared to how isekai generally present themselves, idk if I'm explaining it well.
idk, I haven't really seen much isekai that i've enjoyed, but I guess reincarnated as a slime was nice, one of the first animes I watched
also yeah I get what you mean by subverting which is more like keeping the same old things fresh, but it's not personally my definition of subvertion, as an example of something I would call subvertion, currently i'm playing a videogame called "in stars and time". That game, has a core gameplay mechanic that basically every RPG has that while you stop and think about it is a plot hole, however, you ignore it since that is just how RPG games go, and then, like 15 hours into the game, that "plot hole" actually turns into a real plot point, which totally blew me away
also, just for fun, what rating do you think I will give RRR?DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
Also can I request RRR (indian movie)
Honestly I can see the fact that I've read and enjoyed so many shitty isekai a big reason why I enjoyed thisPatatitta wrote:
idk, I haven't really seen much isekai that i've enjoyed, but I guess reincarnated as a slime was nice, one of the first animes I watched
It's a lot harder to say but I'm gonna guess BPatatitta wrote:
also, just for fun, what rating do you think I will give RRR?
I'm pretty sure it's at least not going to be S or D
Topic Starter
DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
It's a lot harder to say but I'm gonna guess BPatatitta wrote:
also, just for fun, what rating do you think I will give RRR?
I'm pretty sure it's at least not going to be S or D
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RRR
I have already seen it, it's peak fiction, you chose wrong.
RRR is an indian action movie, and I would argue it's my favourite action thing i've ever seen, while more american movies and stuff still try to be somewhat serious and grounded about their action, RRR just goes NUTS and it was way more enjoyable and fun and memorable than any other action film i've seen
The actual plot and story of RRR doesn't make much sense, it's over dramaticized version of a real historical period in india, and in fact, it has A LOT of historical inaccuracies, for xample, the two main protagonists, bheem and raju NEVER met IRL, but that's not the point of the movie. The movie only takes that setting because it fits, it has a lot of conflict and it gives them the creative freedom to do whatever they want in a setting familiar to the public, the point of RRR is to be a fun movie, and there are barely any other pieces of media that are as fun as RRR.
Every scene is the most shocking thing you've probably seen in a movie, but not in a gross way like if you're reading eroguro or something, the movie just goes deeper into over the top action than any other movie on eart. The shock comes from "I can't believe this is a real scene", like, the introduction of bheem is an aereal shot of the character in a jungle pouring blood on themselves just before getting into a fight with a tiger, like, that is NOT something that usually happens in movies, or that AMAZING dance scene that just comes out from nowhere and it's SO GOOD
I generally don't like action, I feel it's just kinda fluff that doesn't trigger any emotional response from me and doesn't really advance or improve anything that I do enjoy, however, RRR felt so surprising that I just couldn't help but be totally hooked on it
So, why has no american movie or any other movie dared to do what RRR does?, I believe that this is in part due to the way we interact with cinema here.
In american movies, often action is seen as one of the genres with most prestige, one of the most adult and serious ones, at the end of the day people die in the film, that is something that had to be censored in the past for being too explicit and not appropiate for audiences.
I don't think this holds up today tho, most action films are targeted to younger audiences even if they want to claim otherwise, even msot children shows have some sort of action since it's one of the most engaging genres, yet, due to us still seeing action as this "prestige" genre we can't really get too crazy about it, if a action movie is just mindless action and isn't grounded we consider it to be bad
but india?, we've been discriminating against indian cinema for ages now, they developed another culture, they don't have the same ideas around action that we do, so, they pushed it in another direction, and it just so happens that they were able to produce a movie so out there that even we couldn't ignore, and, yeah, it's fun
so yeah, RRR is an S tier
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still playing gta, still watching akagi, may not be able to finish it today
Holy based, my respect for you has peakedPatatitta wrote:
DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
It's a lot harder to say but I'm gonna guess BPatatitta wrote:
also, just for fun, what rating do you think I will give RRR?
I'm pretty sure it's at least not going to be S or D
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RRR
I have already seen it, it's peak fiction, you chose wrong.
RRR is an indian action movie, and I would argue it's my favourite action thing i've ever seen, while more american movies and stuff still try to be somewhat serious and grounded about their action, RRR just goes NUTS and it was way more enjoyable and fun and memorable than any other action film i've seen
The actual plot and story of RRR doesn't make much sense, it's over dramaticized version of a real historical period in india, and in fact, it has A LOT of historical inaccuracies, for xample, the two main protagonists, bheem and raju NEVER met IRL, but that's not the point of the movie. The movie only takes that setting because it fits, it has a lot of conflict and it gives them the creative freedom to do whatever they want in a setting familiar to the public, the point of RRR is to be a fun movie, and there are barely any other pieces of media that are as fun as RRR.
Every scene is the most shocking thing you've probably seen in a movie, but not in a gross way like if you're reading eroguro or something, the movie just goes deeper into over the top action than any other movie on eart. The shock comes from "I can't believe this is a real scene", like, the introduction of bheem is an aereal shot of the character in a jungle pouring blood on themselves just before getting into a fight with a tiger, like, that is NOT something that usually happens in movies, or that AMAZING dance scene that just comes out from nowhere and it's SO GOOD
I generally don't like action, I feel it's just kinda fluff that doesn't trigger any emotional response from me and doesn't really advance or improve anything that I do enjoy, however, RRR felt so surprising that I just couldn't help but be totally hooked on it
So, why has no american movie or any other movie dared to do what RRR does?, I believe that this is in part due to the way we interact with cinema here.
In american movies, often action is seen as one of the genres with most prestige, one of the most adult and serious ones, at the end of the day people die in the film, that is something that had to be censored in the past for being too explicit and not appropiate for audiences.
I don't think this holds up today tho, most action films are targeted to younger audiences even if they want to claim otherwise, even msot children shows have some sort of action since it's one of the most engaging genres, yet, due to us still seeing action as this "prestige" genre we can't really get too crazy about it, if a action movie is just mindless action and isn't grounded we consider it to be bad
but india?, we've been discriminating against indian cinema for ages now, they developed another culture, they don't have the same ideas around action that we do, so, they pushed it in another direction, and it just so happens that they were able to produce a movie so out there that even we couldn't ignore, and, yeah, it's fun
so yeah, RRR is an S tier
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still playing gta, still watching akagi, may not be able to finish it today
I literally pogged for 3 hours straight while watching this movie, but it's not an S for me, probably an A (same with Thank You Isekai)
Though I barely ever watch movies (rn I properly watch maybe 3-4 a year kinda incidentally) though so I don't really have a good idea of what I like and what I don't in movies.
I honestly thought that you wouldn't be that high on the action after total recall in D and that'd make it not S tier but I guess I was wrong
Topic Starter
total recall isn't particullary original or memorable, RRR isDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
Holy based, my respect for you has peakedPatatitta wrote:
DM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
It's a lot harder to say but I'm gonna guess BPatatitta wrote:
also, just for fun, what rating do you think I will give RRR?
I'm pretty sure it's at least not going to be S or D
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RRR
I have already seen it, it's peak fiction, you chose wrong.
RRR is an indian action movie, and I would argue it's my favourite action thing i've ever seen, while more american movies and stuff still try to be somewhat serious and grounded about their action, RRR just goes NUTS and it was way more enjoyable and fun and memorable than any other action film i've seen
The actual plot and story of RRR doesn't make much sense, it's over dramaticized version of a real historical period in india, and in fact, it has A LOT of historical inaccuracies, for xample, the two main protagonists, bheem and raju NEVER met IRL, but that's not the point of the movie. The movie only takes that setting because it fits, it has a lot of conflict and it gives them the creative freedom to do whatever they want in a setting familiar to the public, the point of RRR is to be a fun movie, and there are barely any other pieces of media that are as fun as RRR.
Every scene is the most shocking thing you've probably seen in a movie, but not in a gross way like if you're reading eroguro or something, the movie just goes deeper into over the top action than any other movie on eart. The shock comes from "I can't believe this is a real scene", like, the introduction of bheem is an aereal shot of the character in a jungle pouring blood on themselves just before getting into a fight with a tiger, like, that is NOT something that usually happens in movies, or that AMAZING dance scene that just comes out from nowhere and it's SO GOOD
I generally don't like action, I feel it's just kinda fluff that doesn't trigger any emotional response from me and doesn't really advance or improve anything that I do enjoy, however, RRR felt so surprising that I just couldn't help but be totally hooked on it
So, why has no american movie or any other movie dared to do what RRR does?, I believe that this is in part due to the way we interact with cinema here.
In american movies, often action is seen as one of the genres with most prestige, one of the most adult and serious ones, at the end of the day people die in the film, that is something that had to be censored in the past for being too explicit and not appropiate for audiences.
I don't think this holds up today tho, most action films are targeted to younger audiences even if they want to claim otherwise, even msot children shows have some sort of action since it's one of the most engaging genres, yet, due to us still seeing action as this "prestige" genre we can't really get too crazy about it, if a action movie is just mindless action and isn't grounded we consider it to be bad
but india?, we've been discriminating against indian cinema for ages now, they developed another culture, they don't have the same ideas around action that we do, so, they pushed it in another direction, and it just so happens that they were able to produce a movie so out there that even we couldn't ignore, and, yeah, it's fun
so yeah, RRR is an S tier
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still playing gta, still watching akagi, may not be able to finish it today
I literally pogged for 3 hours straight while watching this movie, but it's not an S for me, probably an A (same with Thank You Isekai)
Though I barely ever watch movies (rn I properly watch maybe 3-4 a year kinda incidentally) though so I don't really have a good idea of what I like and what I don't in movies.
I honestly thought that you wouldn't be that high on the action after total recall in D and that'd make it not S tier but I guess I was wrong
Topic Starter
Akagi
I didn't enjoy it very much
This is an anime about mahjong, and only about mahjong. In many ways, you can make parallelisms between akagi and hajime no ippo, they're both hyper long mangas (the adaptations being way shorter), that cover a certain sport or activity and is focused ENTIRERILY on that
For most sport animes, understanding and liking the sport is not really needed in order to enjoy the anime, why?, because the main appeal of the anime isn't the sport by itself, but more the characters surrounding it and the overall situation of the anime, you watch haikyuu because you like the characters, not because of volleyball, you like 3-gatsu no lion because of the drama, not the shogi
However, for akagi and hajime no ippo, it's really hard to actually get into it if you don't like the sport beforehand, the main appeal of this anime is "look at that sick ass play", but I don't know, I am not into mahjong enough for this anime to really pull me in
The animation style is interesting, as it doesn't have what we would consider now an "anime" style of character design. This is because this anime takes inspiration directly from the way Osamu Tezuka did art, who, took inspiration of european comics, so, the actual shape of the faces and stuff are more cartoonish
also, I don't think mahjong is that good of an spectator game, as it's basically japenese poker. It's a gambling game, so whenever they go "wow that play is so crazy he's so smart" I kinda feel conflicted, because it's all luck a the end of the day, and I don't really like the idea that you can climb up high with a gambling game entirerily on skill.
Not only that, but the actual matches aren't very cool to watch either, at least with boxing they're punching each other, you may not know a lot of boxing rules or techniques or whatever but you can see people punching each other, for mahjonh, the rules are a lot more complex and if you don't know how the rules operates, it's really hard to follow the matches and it will just seem like random stuff is happening
so yeah, did not like, D tier
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next: Nightmare on elm street
still playing GTA IV, close to finishing tho
I didn't enjoy it very much
This is an anime about mahjong, and only about mahjong. In many ways, you can make parallelisms between akagi and hajime no ippo, they're both hyper long mangas (the adaptations being way shorter), that cover a certain sport or activity and is focused ENTIRERILY on that
For most sport animes, understanding and liking the sport is not really needed in order to enjoy the anime, why?, because the main appeal of the anime isn't the sport by itself, but more the characters surrounding it and the overall situation of the anime, you watch haikyuu because you like the characters, not because of volleyball, you like 3-gatsu no lion because of the drama, not the shogi
However, for akagi and hajime no ippo, it's really hard to actually get into it if you don't like the sport beforehand, the main appeal of this anime is "look at that sick ass play", but I don't know, I am not into mahjong enough for this anime to really pull me in
The animation style is interesting, as it doesn't have what we would consider now an "anime" style of character design. This is because this anime takes inspiration directly from the way Osamu Tezuka did art, who, took inspiration of european comics, so, the actual shape of the faces and stuff are more cartoonish
also, I don't think mahjong is that good of an spectator game, as it's basically japenese poker. It's a gambling game, so whenever they go "wow that play is so crazy he's so smart" I kinda feel conflicted, because it's all luck a the end of the day, and I don't really like the idea that you can climb up high with a gambling game entirerily on skill.
Not only that, but the actual matches aren't very cool to watch either, at least with boxing they're punching each other, you may not know a lot of boxing rules or techniques or whatever but you can see people punching each other, for mahjonh, the rules are a lot more complex and if you don't know how the rules operates, it's really hard to follow the matches and it will just seem like random stuff is happening
so yeah, did not like, D tier
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next: Nightmare on elm street
still playing GTA IV, close to finishing tho
Topic Starter
sureLapizote wrote:
could you add The Menu to the queue
watch "Look Back" (2024), its an anime movie
no way is there an international release already?reffty_gag wrote:
watch "Look Back" (2024), its an anime movie
i've gone crazy trying to find where to watch it
Topic Starter
idk, already did the manga, I don't think it's very different, + It's not for distribution here yet and I don't think I can find it online anywherereffty_gag wrote:
watch "Look Back" (2024), its an anime movie
Can you read this sports article called What football will look like in the future, I swear it's actually interesting
It's about American Football, so if you have no clue how it works here's a 1 minute long video explaining the rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6hM5tRlfA
If you want of what American Football is maybe you can watch some full game highlights, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_lnAvZSa4 this just some random game that came up on youtube, or maybe you could look up what all the positions are or something
I won't have much to say about this because I read it years ago and don't remember it well but I remember it was interesting
It's about American Football, so if you have no clue how it works here's a 1 minute long video explaining the rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6hM5tRlfA
If you want of what American Football is maybe you can watch some full game highlights, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_lnAvZSa4 this just some random game that came up on youtube, or maybe you could look up what all the positions are or something
I won't have much to say about this because I read it years ago and don't remember it well but I remember it was interesting
you can decline this one if you want, but can you play portal?
Topic Starter
damn, I finally have a excuse to read 17776, will doDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
Can you read this sports article called What football will look like in the future, I swear it's actually interesting
It's about American Football, so if you have no clue how it works here's a 1 minute long video explaining the rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6hM5tRlfA
If you want of what American Football is maybe you can watch some full game highlights, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_lnAvZSa4 this just some random game that came up on youtube, or maybe you could look up what all the positions are or something
I won't have much to say about this because I read it years ago and don't remember it well but I remember it was interesting
portal 1 or 2?lostsilver wrote:
you can decline this one if you want, but can you play portal?
oh shit you already know about it wtfPatatitta wrote:
damn, I finally have a excuse to read 17776, will doDM FOR MUTUAL wrote:
Can you read this sports article called What football will look like in the future, I swear it's actually interesting
It's about American Football, so if you have no clue how it works here's a 1 minute long video explaining the rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t6hM5tRlfA
If you want of what American Football is maybe you can watch some full game highlights, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_lnAvZSa4 this just some random game that came up on youtube, or maybe you could look up what all the positions are or something
I won't have much to say about this because I read it years ago and don't remember it well but I remember it was interesting
idk but it release in my countryLapizote wrote:
no way is there an international release already?reffty_gag wrote:
watch "Look Back" (2024), its an anime movie
i've gone crazy trying to find where to watch it
And pata, just read the manga
Topic Starter
the movie is not out there for digital distribution, and no way i'm spending money and actually going to the movie theater for a OT thread, the manga is already reviewed in this thread, I told you, look at the OPreffty_gag wrote:
idk but it release in my countryLapizote wrote:
no way is there an international release already?reffty_gag wrote:
watch "Look Back" (2024), its an anime movie
i've gone crazy trying to find where to watch it
And pata, just read the manga
kPatatitta wrote:
the movie is not out there for digital distribution, and no way i'm spending money and actually going to the movie theater for a OT thread, the manga is already reviewed in this thread, I told you, look at the OPreffty_gag wrote:
idk but it release in my countryLapizote wrote:
no way is there an international release already?reffty_gag wrote:
watch "Look Back" (2024), its an anime movie
i've gone crazy trying to find where to watch it
And pata, just read the manga
portal 1Patatitta wrote:
portal 1 or 2?lostsilver wrote:
you can decline this one if you want, but can you play portal?
Topic Starter
only played 2, will have to play itlostsilver wrote:
portal 1Patatitta wrote:
portal 1 or 2?lostsilver wrote:
you can decline this one if you want, but can you play portal?
okay :>Patatitta wrote:
only played 2, will have to play itlostsilver wrote:
portal 1Patatitta wrote:
portal 1 or 2?lostsilver wrote:
you can decline this one if you want, but can you play portal?
Topic Starter
Nightmare On Elm Street:
eh
This is a slasher movie, for reference, the only slasher movies i've seen are the winnie the pooh blood and honey ones and god did they fucking suck ASS, and this was considerably better, but it's still mid
I see one very clear objective in this movie, this is a movie that you put in a sleepover, and then kinda shit yourself over it, even after the movie ends, this is probably a really good group watching experience if you have the right social circle, but personally, watching it alone in my room while i'm just chilling, I didn't really find it to be scary or too interesting
aAlot of the horror feels very cheap in general, people die but you don't really ever care too much about those characters dying, it's predictible, a lot of it kinda relies on jumpscares rather than the atmosphere or whatever, it's not the most interesting movie
but, again, I will give it credit, I think the idea of freddy krueger is very good, a evil psychopath killer that will attack you in your dreams, what this basically accomplishes is that after you've finished watching the movie, maybe late at night (which is the normal time to watch horror movies), and you decide to go to sleep, maybe with your friends, you have a fear of freddy krueger actaully showing up, the movie never really actually kills freddy krueger, this isn't a spoiler as there are sequels, so it's pretty effective at that
so yeah, this isn't my cup of tea, but I can see it's appeal
however, this list is based on my personal watching experience, so D rank, (if not, I would probably rank this is C-B tier?)
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next: The menu
i'm literally in the last quest of GTA IV, so expect it soon
reading 17776, idk how deep in am I, so far, I have some thoughts about it
edit: tiermaker seems to be shitting itself for some weird reason so no tier list image update
eh
This is a slasher movie, for reference, the only slasher movies i've seen are the winnie the pooh blood and honey ones and god did they fucking suck ASS, and this was considerably better, but it's still mid
I see one very clear objective in this movie, this is a movie that you put in a sleepover, and then kinda shit yourself over it, even after the movie ends, this is probably a really good group watching experience if you have the right social circle, but personally, watching it alone in my room while i'm just chilling, I didn't really find it to be scary or too interesting
aAlot of the horror feels very cheap in general, people die but you don't really ever care too much about those characters dying, it's predictible, a lot of it kinda relies on jumpscares rather than the atmosphere or whatever, it's not the most interesting movie
but, again, I will give it credit, I think the idea of freddy krueger is very good, a evil psychopath killer that will attack you in your dreams, what this basically accomplishes is that after you've finished watching the movie, maybe late at night (which is the normal time to watch horror movies), and you decide to go to sleep, maybe with your friends, you have a fear of freddy krueger actaully showing up, the movie never really actually kills freddy krueger, this isn't a spoiler as there are sequels, so it's pretty effective at that
so yeah, this isn't my cup of tea, but I can see it's appeal
however, this list is based on my personal watching experience, so D rank, (if not, I would probably rank this is C-B tier?)
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next: The menu
i'm literally in the last quest of GTA IV, so expect it soon
reading 17776, idk how deep in am I, so far, I have some thoughts about it
edit: tiermaker seems to be shitting itself for some weird reason so no tier list image update
Topic Starter
The Menu
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Started being pretty good, had a pretty bad finale
The menu is a movie about a bunch of rich people going to an island to eat gourmet food, however, the cook has become a psychopath and people just start dying and shit
I think the idea of the movie is good, it just kinda fumbles the execution quite a bit. In this movie, the chef doesn't really see cooking as much as a survival skill, and more of an art form, so their goal isn't really to feed the clients but to try to send a message, this is fine, cooking can be an art form, although, the rich people present there are all very, very mean, and act in a very pseudointellectual way.
The best example of this is a a plate that is "bread without bread", previous to the food, this is the second plate of the movie, previous to serving the bread, the cook talks about how bread is the food of the common men, however, they were not common men, they were high class citizens, so, they will not be recieving any bread. They just serve the condiments that they would have served with the bread. The point of this plate is very obvious, it's just a commentary on that, the class divide, and if you see cooking as an artistic medium, this plate makes a lot of sense, in fact, if you want to tell a story with your menu, you can probably chain it after with a lot of plates and for that to make sense
Maybe, by depriving the next plates of any bread, you can show the importance of bread in those foods and how much we look down on it by thinking of it as the poor men food. The food isn't supposed to be the best food ever, that's the point. But all of this is for nothing really, as this point completely flies over their head and they start complaining that the condiments aren't as cooked as perfectly as they could have been
This is a really good plot point, I really dig this, it shows the disconnect between the chef and the customers, and ow different social groups reacts differently to the same menu or even ideas, my problem with the movie arises that this isn't expanded upon, every plate has some interesting idea like that. They even make targetted attacks to specific customers, but, for every plate where they make something interesting, the next plate doesn't really seem to follow or expand on those ideas, a lot of thigns are brought up, a lot of the backstory of every character, but all of it is irrelevant, nothing is really expanded upon
In fact, it mostly ends up relying on cheap shock stuff to keep being interesting, on people randomly dying and it's just kinda boring, this is a movie that doesn't really go anywhere, that doesn't end up saying anything, because the ending of the movie kinda goes contrary to a lot of the ideas shown
The end of the movie is the protagonist going like "you're a chef, your objective in life is to serve people food that they will enjoy it, food is just food, and i'm hungry and I want a god damn cheeseburger!!!", so, the chef cooks them the most mcdonalds looking cheeseburger and is let go of the island
I do not like this ending, I don't like that the point of the movie is "just is just food and that was a evil pyschopath so ignore anything they have ever said", like, yeah, the guy is twisted mentally, killing people is bad, but while I don't agree with their methods, isn't he kinda right on those customers being assholes? so why are you trying to undervalue the element of the movie that showed that they were assholes????
It's just a very messy movie overall, I didn't like it much, placed on D rank if tiermaker worked lmao I basically killed the site i'm waiting for a response to my support email
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still have to finish GTA IV, haven't played since the last post
still readding 17776
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Started being pretty good, had a pretty bad finale
The menu is a movie about a bunch of rich people going to an island to eat gourmet food, however, the cook has become a psychopath and people just start dying and shit
I think the idea of the movie is good, it just kinda fumbles the execution quite a bit. In this movie, the chef doesn't really see cooking as much as a survival skill, and more of an art form, so their goal isn't really to feed the clients but to try to send a message, this is fine, cooking can be an art form, although, the rich people present there are all very, very mean, and act in a very pseudointellectual way.
The best example of this is a a plate that is "bread without bread", previous to the food, this is the second plate of the movie, previous to serving the bread, the cook talks about how bread is the food of the common men, however, they were not common men, they were high class citizens, so, they will not be recieving any bread. They just serve the condiments that they would have served with the bread. The point of this plate is very obvious, it's just a commentary on that, the class divide, and if you see cooking as an artistic medium, this plate makes a lot of sense, in fact, if you want to tell a story with your menu, you can probably chain it after with a lot of plates and for that to make sense
Maybe, by depriving the next plates of any bread, you can show the importance of bread in those foods and how much we look down on it by thinking of it as the poor men food. The food isn't supposed to be the best food ever, that's the point. But all of this is for nothing really, as this point completely flies over their head and they start complaining that the condiments aren't as cooked as perfectly as they could have been
This is a really good plot point, I really dig this, it shows the disconnect between the chef and the customers, and ow different social groups reacts differently to the same menu or even ideas, my problem with the movie arises that this isn't expanded upon, every plate has some interesting idea like that. They even make targetted attacks to specific customers, but, for every plate where they make something interesting, the next plate doesn't really seem to follow or expand on those ideas, a lot of thigns are brought up, a lot of the backstory of every character, but all of it is irrelevant, nothing is really expanded upon
In fact, it mostly ends up relying on cheap shock stuff to keep being interesting, on people randomly dying and it's just kinda boring, this is a movie that doesn't really go anywhere, that doesn't end up saying anything, because the ending of the movie kinda goes contrary to a lot of the ideas shown
The end of the movie is the protagonist going like "you're a chef, your objective in life is to serve people food that they will enjoy it, food is just food, and i'm hungry and I want a god damn cheeseburger!!!", so, the chef cooks them the most mcdonalds looking cheeseburger and is let go of the island
I do not like this ending, I don't like that the point of the movie is "just is just food and that was a evil pyschopath so ignore anything they have ever said", like, yeah, the guy is twisted mentally, killing people is bad, but while I don't agree with their methods, isn't he kinda right on those customers being assholes? so why are you trying to undervalue the element of the movie that showed that they were assholes????
It's just a very messy movie overall, I didn't like it much, placed on D rank if tiermaker worked lmao I basically killed the site i'm waiting for a response to my support email
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still have to finish GTA IV, haven't played since the last post
still readding 17776
Topic Starter
GTA IV
I'm very dissapointed
This is the first time i've ever played any GTA game, which is surprising since it's one of the most popular videogame franchises in the world, I knew kinda how it operated and what it was about, but never actually played it, so now that i've played, I don't think it's a very good videogame
First of all, the GTA IV PC port fucking sucks, The 100% legal download I took for this game already included a modpack that supposedly fixed most of the bugs, but even with that, I've still faced crashes, graphical issues, and i've clipped through the floor once, all of these things have made me have to restart the mission. Although, it's still playable, annoying, but playable,
GTA IV has a plot, it's about this russian immigrant that goes to the united states and tries to pursue the american dream with their cousin by doing all sorts of illegal activities. The start of the story is actually not bad, the first 5-6 missions or so, but after that, the games open up and problems really start to show up
There are A LOT of quests in GTA IV, and, you can kinda pursue any storyline that you want in any order in any moment, this sounds great in theory, but in the practice, that just means a super important plot point happens and then it's not acknowledged for 10 quests because the other quests you have pending to do were available before you even got that quest with the important plot point, so you kinda go back in time when you do a lot of the quests, there isn't really a clear chronological order in most of the quests
there isn't a pacing with the story, so it just feels bad, the story kinda did lose me halfway through because in order to actually keep pursuing it I had to do all of these other missions from secondary characters I just didn't care much about
The story itself also has a lot of problems, a lot of plot holes in fact, this is something that applies to more videogames but I find especially frustrating in this game, and that is, death only matters if it happens in a cinematic. There is a part at the start of the game where you kill someone who in the grand scheme of things is just a crook, but, you now have to face the consequences of having killed them, the loan sharks that guy had are now going to seek you, which makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the rest of the game, and that is, even in story missions you kill hundreds and hundreds of people with gang affiliations and other stuff, where are the consequences for that?, the only kills that end up mattering are the ones that happen in a cinematic
The game is also very contrived in order to make the game work, for example, in a lot of story missions the game won't spawn police, is the police not showing up when it normally would not a plot hole?, when you're on a mission and you're chasing a car, that car doesn't follow the same rules yours do, it has different collisions, in fact, a lot of NPC on vehicles are completely immortal unless you reach a certain point in the route. Shooting a enemy, them not dying, shooting them again but in a different point in a road and dying, isn't that a plot hole?, there a clear disconnect from the gameplay and the story, they feel made by two entirely different dev teams
But I mean, if you're playing GTA, you're not really doing it for the story most of the time, GTA is a power fantasy, you run around, kill people, steal cars, create chaos, etc. I don't think they pull this off either.
Most time in GTA, you're going to be inside of a car or a vehicle, in fact, the game doesn't really have an OST in the general sense, but radios you can turn on and switch while on the car, the ideal scenario is that you're escaping from all these cops, maybe shooting back, doing all of these cool tricks, with the song you like playing, it's supposed to make you feel badass and unstoppable, you're supposed to feel like baby driver
but sadly, the mechanics just doesn't really allow for any of that to happen, the car controls feel like you're drunk, the drift is basically useless, the ideal way to deal to police is to NOT shoot back, so if you can avoid fighting with cops at all, you take that chance, even if you have a helicopter chasing you, do not shoot back.
The way you escape from police is to get out of their vision range and then just wait 5 seconds, idk, waiting still hoping that RNG wont spawn a police car in my face is not the coolest way to escape from police?, it's very boring
This game is not polished at all, even if you exclude all the bugs, a lot of things in this game seem to have been made without much care at all. Again, immortal NPC, enemies having different laws of physics, very clear rubberbanding, loading screens while changing clothes without a menu to choose directly what you want to wear (like come on, at least give me a way to save outfits).
There is actually one part of the game that really annoyed me, and it comes down to a lack of polish. There are two or three points on the game where the story mandates you use a helicopter, this is fine, in the tutorial that shows up when you first mount an helicopter you can either use WASD or the numeric keyboard to control the helicopter, I decided to use the numeric keyboard since it was easier for me. I reach the last mission and it gives me a helicopter, but this helicopter isn't like the ones you've piloted before, this one has weapons, and you shoot your weapons with left click. Can you see the problem?, i've been controlling helicopters with my right hand on the numeric keyboard, and you're now expecting me to put my right hand on the mouse, it's impossible, you MUST use WASD to fly the helicopter, so in the time I need to get used to the WASD controls, the enemy flies away and I have to restart the entire mission once again. That death did not feel fair at all.
So yeah, the story did not engage me, there were bugs and a lack of polish, it did not live up as a power fantasy, haven't even mentioned it in the post but I feel al ot of the minigames are a bit mid, so yeah, this game sucks.
Placed in D tier. Or at least would, tiermaker still does not work.
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next: artic eggs
still reading 17776
I'm very dissapointed
This is the first time i've ever played any GTA game, which is surprising since it's one of the most popular videogame franchises in the world, I knew kinda how it operated and what it was about, but never actually played it, so now that i've played, I don't think it's a very good videogame
First of all, the GTA IV PC port fucking sucks, The 100% legal download I took for this game already included a modpack that supposedly fixed most of the bugs, but even with that, I've still faced crashes, graphical issues, and i've clipped through the floor once, all of these things have made me have to restart the mission. Although, it's still playable, annoying, but playable,
GTA IV has a plot, it's about this russian immigrant that goes to the united states and tries to pursue the american dream with their cousin by doing all sorts of illegal activities. The start of the story is actually not bad, the first 5-6 missions or so, but after that, the games open up and problems really start to show up
There are A LOT of quests in GTA IV, and, you can kinda pursue any storyline that you want in any order in any moment, this sounds great in theory, but in the practice, that just means a super important plot point happens and then it's not acknowledged for 10 quests because the other quests you have pending to do were available before you even got that quest with the important plot point, so you kinda go back in time when you do a lot of the quests, there isn't really a clear chronological order in most of the quests
there isn't a pacing with the story, so it just feels bad, the story kinda did lose me halfway through because in order to actually keep pursuing it I had to do all of these other missions from secondary characters I just didn't care much about
The story itself also has a lot of problems, a lot of plot holes in fact, this is something that applies to more videogames but I find especially frustrating in this game, and that is, death only matters if it happens in a cinematic. There is a part at the start of the game where you kill someone who in the grand scheme of things is just a crook, but, you now have to face the consequences of having killed them, the loan sharks that guy had are now going to seek you, which makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the rest of the game, and that is, even in story missions you kill hundreds and hundreds of people with gang affiliations and other stuff, where are the consequences for that?, the only kills that end up mattering are the ones that happen in a cinematic
The game is also very contrived in order to make the game work, for example, in a lot of story missions the game won't spawn police, is the police not showing up when it normally would not a plot hole?, when you're on a mission and you're chasing a car, that car doesn't follow the same rules yours do, it has different collisions, in fact, a lot of NPC on vehicles are completely immortal unless you reach a certain point in the route. Shooting a enemy, them not dying, shooting them again but in a different point in a road and dying, isn't that a plot hole?, there a clear disconnect from the gameplay and the story, they feel made by two entirely different dev teams
But I mean, if you're playing GTA, you're not really doing it for the story most of the time, GTA is a power fantasy, you run around, kill people, steal cars, create chaos, etc. I don't think they pull this off either.
Most time in GTA, you're going to be inside of a car or a vehicle, in fact, the game doesn't really have an OST in the general sense, but radios you can turn on and switch while on the car, the ideal scenario is that you're escaping from all these cops, maybe shooting back, doing all of these cool tricks, with the song you like playing, it's supposed to make you feel badass and unstoppable, you're supposed to feel like baby driver
but sadly, the mechanics just doesn't really allow for any of that to happen, the car controls feel like you're drunk, the drift is basically useless, the ideal way to deal to police is to NOT shoot back, so if you can avoid fighting with cops at all, you take that chance, even if you have a helicopter chasing you, do not shoot back.
The way you escape from police is to get out of their vision range and then just wait 5 seconds, idk, waiting still hoping that RNG wont spawn a police car in my face is not the coolest way to escape from police?, it's very boring
This game is not polished at all, even if you exclude all the bugs, a lot of things in this game seem to have been made without much care at all. Again, immortal NPC, enemies having different laws of physics, very clear rubberbanding, loading screens while changing clothes without a menu to choose directly what you want to wear (like come on, at least give me a way to save outfits).
There is actually one part of the game that really annoyed me, and it comes down to a lack of polish. There are two or three points on the game where the story mandates you use a helicopter, this is fine, in the tutorial that shows up when you first mount an helicopter you can either use WASD or the numeric keyboard to control the helicopter, I decided to use the numeric keyboard since it was easier for me. I reach the last mission and it gives me a helicopter, but this helicopter isn't like the ones you've piloted before, this one has weapons, and you shoot your weapons with left click. Can you see the problem?, i've been controlling helicopters with my right hand on the numeric keyboard, and you're now expecting me to put my right hand on the mouse, it's impossible, you MUST use WASD to fly the helicopter, so in the time I need to get used to the WASD controls, the enemy flies away and I have to restart the entire mission once again. That death did not feel fair at all.
So yeah, the story did not engage me, there were bugs and a lack of polish, it did not live up as a power fantasy, haven't even mentioned it in the post but I feel al ot of the minigames are a bit mid, so yeah, this game sucks.
Placed in D tier. Or at least would, tiermaker still does not work.
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next: artic eggs
still reading 17776
play "Hello Charlotte" trilogy
Topic Starter
I don't like horrorreffty_gag wrote:
play "Hello Charlotte" trilogy
you act like every horror game is going to scare you to the point where you'll have a heart attack and diePatatitta wrote:
I don't like horrorreffty_gag wrote:
play "Hello Charlotte" trilogy
Topic Starter
I mean, I'm already trying out so many different things already with this thread, at least let me create some limits based on personal enjoyement lmaosametdze wrote:
you act like every horror game is going to scare you to the point where you'll have a heart attack and diePatatitta wrote:
I don't like horrorreffty_gag wrote:
play "Hello Charlotte" trilogy
nah horror is usually shit isn't it
fairPatatitta wrote:
I mean, I'm already trying out so many different things already with this thread, at least let me create some limits based on personal enjoyement lmaosametdze wrote:
you act like every horror game is going to scare you to the point where you'll have a heart attack and diePatatitta wrote:
I don't like horrorreffty_gag wrote:
play "Hello Charlotte" trilogy
this tooYmir wrote:
nah horror is usually shit isn't it
Topic Starter
i've heard Hello Charlotte is pretty good, I just dont want to deal with itYmir wrote:
nah horror is usually shit isn't it
Never heard of it until now; I just assume horror game = shitty 'horror for kids' game-theory shill game
Topic Starter
nah this is actually horror, I heard it's inspired by games like off or space funeral, just maybe darker in theme and a bit edgierYmir wrote:
Never heard of it until now; I just assume horror game = shitty 'horror for kids' game-theory shill game
haha pussy little pussy twink pussy little femboy bottomPatatitta wrote:
i've heard Hello Charlotte is pretty good, I just dont want to deal with itYmir wrote:
nah horror is usually shit isn't it
meanwhile played omori and yume nikki that has a "horror" element in it (and also its psychological horror)Patatitta wrote:
I don't like horrorreffty_gag wrote:
play "Hello Charlotte" trilogy
its ok if you don't want to play this game, i don't want to arguing to ppl for no reason
Topic Starter
omori was an exception as I had already played it previous to this thread, also, yeah, I don't really like the horror experience too much, yume nikki I already knew in perfectly what it was and I knew what I was getting into, for a game like this one, I know my brothers likes it, and that's enough justification for me not to play it.reffty_gag wrote:
meanwhile played omori and yume nikki that has a "horror" element in it (and also its psychological horror)Patatitta wrote:
I don't like horrorreffty_gag wrote:
play "Hello Charlotte" trilogy
its ok if you don't want to play this game, i don't want to arguing to ppl for no reason
Topic Starter
17776
the ending was a jumpscare I really didn't expect it to end, like, I yesterday I had bookmarked my pogress, today I go in, click the next page, it's the end, I could have done this post yesterday
17776 is weird, it's presented in the form of an article about american football than then once you click on it, it becomes a web novel, or as a wikipedia describes it a "speculative fiction multimedia narrative", it's about a world that solves all of it's problems (war, hunger, aging, death, etc) and they are bored so they just play american football 24/7, but not the american football we know today, but some weird evolved versions of it
I didn't like it very much, it feels VERY contrived. The protagonists are three satelites, who have gained conciousness and they just catch streams of american football. Thing is, the world has not evolved. It's exactly the same as it was a few years back when the article released, so yes, it's already outdated
The satellites never really seem to have interest to what is outside the united states, as that is still the only place in the world where they play american football, they never ask about any sports, they ask some questions about why the world is like it is, but some of the answers are more than insatisfactory and it just feels the writer trying to ignore the awful worldbuilding just to get to talk about football, like, at a point in history they ask "why is it still the same as in 2017" and they go "oh yeah humanity developed technology it's just that they didn't like it very much so they reverted back to now" which is just a fucking absurd preposition
also, we're assuming that in the year 17776, when we have solved all of our problems, the same nations will still exist today, with the same frontiers. In fact, the concept that nations still exist at al is already a point of discussion
it's not that technology hasn't evolved, it's that culture hasn't evolved either, they even make some pop culture references and it's just tv shows released in 2012
if we brush aside all the world-building concerns and hold our disbelief, the actual strong point of the webseries, isn't very strong at all. The idea is that given that no one is ever going to die, they play games with wack rules, often lasting hundreds or thousands of years I don't really get this.
Living forever doesn't mean that everyone will abandon their desires, not everyone will become a monk that can last years without any sort of stimuli, living forever doesn't mean you will want to play the same match for hundreds of years without interruption.
Another point that this webnovels kinda forgets is the competitive elements, american football, is a competitive sport, yet, we never really see how the future of competition will look like, none of these games are part of a larger league or really have any sort of competitive element attached to it other than just winning the match itself
also, these really aren't american football games, as I said previously, they have wack rules, maybe in one match the stadium is a entire state or two, maybe it's not even football and it's just the lotery (that happened), so i'm impressed that when they're playing an entirerily different videogame they still call it american football.
Also, as wikipedia said before, this is multimedia, but in that context it just means that they have youtube videos that just show more text but this time you cant read it at your own pace, not even a robotic TTS voice, it's just text with maybe a image or two
I don't know, this just feel like highly contrived random bullshit that makes no sense anyways, D tier.
the ending was a jumpscare I really didn't expect it to end, like, I yesterday I had bookmarked my pogress, today I go in, click the next page, it's the end, I could have done this post yesterday
17776 is weird, it's presented in the form of an article about american football than then once you click on it, it becomes a web novel, or as a wikipedia describes it a "speculative fiction multimedia narrative", it's about a world that solves all of it's problems (war, hunger, aging, death, etc) and they are bored so they just play american football 24/7, but not the american football we know today, but some weird evolved versions of it
I didn't like it very much, it feels VERY contrived. The protagonists are three satelites, who have gained conciousness and they just catch streams of american football. Thing is, the world has not evolved. It's exactly the same as it was a few years back when the article released, so yes, it's already outdated
The satellites never really seem to have interest to what is outside the united states, as that is still the only place in the world where they play american football, they never ask about any sports, they ask some questions about why the world is like it is, but some of the answers are more than insatisfactory and it just feels the writer trying to ignore the awful worldbuilding just to get to talk about football, like, at a point in history they ask "why is it still the same as in 2017" and they go "oh yeah humanity developed technology it's just that they didn't like it very much so they reverted back to now" which is just a fucking absurd preposition
also, we're assuming that in the year 17776, when we have solved all of our problems, the same nations will still exist today, with the same frontiers. In fact, the concept that nations still exist at al is already a point of discussion
it's not that technology hasn't evolved, it's that culture hasn't evolved either, they even make some pop culture references and it's just tv shows released in 2012
if we brush aside all the world-building concerns and hold our disbelief, the actual strong point of the webseries, isn't very strong at all. The idea is that given that no one is ever going to die, they play games with wack rules, often lasting hundreds or thousands of years I don't really get this.
Living forever doesn't mean that everyone will abandon their desires, not everyone will become a monk that can last years without any sort of stimuli, living forever doesn't mean you will want to play the same match for hundreds of years without interruption.
Another point that this webnovels kinda forgets is the competitive elements, american football, is a competitive sport, yet, we never really see how the future of competition will look like, none of these games are part of a larger league or really have any sort of competitive element attached to it other than just winning the match itself
also, these really aren't american football games, as I said previously, they have wack rules, maybe in one match the stadium is a entire state or two, maybe it's not even football and it's just the lotery (that happened), so i'm impressed that when they're playing an entirerily different videogame they still call it american football.
Also, as wikipedia said before, this is multimedia, but in that context it just means that they have youtube videos that just show more text but this time you cant read it at your own pace, not even a robotic TTS voice, it's just text with maybe a image or two
I don't know, this just feel like highly contrived random bullshit that makes no sense anyways, D tier.
ok, play "To The Moon" (2011)
play banzo: marks of slavery
is cool little indie game about like brazilian slavery or whatever (is strategy, but at a base level)
would say its only a couple hours long really
is cool little indie game about like brazilian slavery or whatever (is strategy, but at a base level)
would say its only a couple hours long really
Topic Starter
I already planned to paly it anyways, so this is goodreffty_gag wrote:
ok, play "To The Moon" (2011)
sure, this would also be the first time I spend money on tis thread, but given it's just 2€, I can afford that, it's not a big dealDuck o-o wrote:
play banzo: b
is cool little indie game about like brazilian slavery or whatever (is strategy, but at a base level)
would say its only a couple hours long really
have you watched baki the grappler?
dont hate me too much for making watch fights uwu
dont hate me too much for making watch fights uwu
Topic Starter
haven't watched it, I don't think I will like it thoReyalp51 wrote:
have you watched baki the grappler?
dont hate me too much for making watch fights uwu
yeah ik, have to recomend you things quick before you go to school and this thread dies, also im interested what your twink ass thinks of peak male performancePatatitta wrote:
haven't watched it, I don't think I will like it thoReyalp51 wrote:
have you watched baki the grappler?
dont hate me too much for making watch fights uwu
Topic Starter
should I watch the modern baki anime or the old baki animesReyalp51 wrote:
yeah ik, have to recomend you things quick before you go to school and this thread dies, also im interested what your twink ass thinks of peak male performancePatatitta wrote:
haven't watched it, I don't think I will like it thoReyalp51 wrote:
have you watched baki the grappler?
dont hate me too much for making watch fights uwu
well i told you to start with baki the grappler wich is the old one, if you watch it out of order you will be even more boredPatatitta wrote:
should I watch the modern baki anime or the old baki animesReyalp51 wrote:
yeah ik, have to recomend you things quick before you go to school and this thread dies, also im interested what your twink ass thinks of peak male performancePatatitta wrote:
haven't watched it, I don't think I will like it thoReyalp51 wrote:
have you watched baki the grappler?
dont hate me too much for making watch fights uwu
Topic Starter
ok, the only thing I know is that the 2nd season of the original baki anime was directed by the same guy who did boku no picoReyalp51 wrote:
well i told you to start with baki the grappler wich is the old one, if you watch it out of order you will be even more boredPatatitta wrote:
should I watch the modern baki anime or the old baki animesReyalp51 wrote:
yeah ik, have to recomend you things quick before you go to school and this thread dies, also im interested what your twink ass thinks of peak male performancePatatitta wrote:
haven't watched it, I don't think I will like it thoReyalp51 wrote:
have you watched baki the grappler?
dont hate me too much for making watch fights uwu
Watch the new Deadpool and Wolverine movie
Asian Warlord wrote:
Watch the new Deadpool and Wolverine movie
Topic Starter
I would have to see the previous deadpools to, I haven't seen themCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Asian Warlord wrote:
Watch the new Deadpool and Wolverine movie
You should watch (and eventually review them too) the 2 previous Deadpool movies (I don't thinking it's mandatory but it's worth it)Patatitta wrote:
I would have to see the previous deadpools to, I haven't seen themCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Asian Warlord wrote:
Watch the new Deadpool and Wolverine movie
Also watch Wolverine's movie "Logan" otherwise you may not understand well the story Deadpool x Wolverine movie
Topic Starter
I don't like superheros and this looks like a lot of effortCorne2Plum3 wrote:
You should watch (and eventually review them too) the 2 previous Deadpool movies (I don't thinking it's mandatory but it's worth it)Patatitta wrote:
I would have to see the previous deadpools to, I haven't seen themCorne2Plum3 wrote:
Asian Warlord wrote:
Watch the new Deadpool and Wolverine movie
Also watch Wolverine's movie "Logan" otherwise you may not understand well the story Deadpool x Wolverine movie
Topic Starter
Arctic eggs
Fun game
Arctic eggs is a really short and sweet game about frying eggs and other stuff. You're in the future, in the middle of the arctic, and you need to go around the place frying eggs for hungry people. The gameplay is pretty fun
I think this game handles difficulty very well, the actual act of frying an egg is fairly challenging, good control over the pan to actually flip the egg, and every new ingredient they add is more and more difficult, however, the game is never frustrating, as failing a challenge never really means anything bad, if you drop an egg to the floor, another one just appears and you're right back, the cooking sessions are always so short that you're never really losing progress either
Over the course of the game you get pretty good at frying at egg, so they add more ingredients, but, the actual skill needed for frying an egg translates very well to all other ingredients. I'm pretty sure that if this game went on for long enough, you would be pretty good at actually sightreading new foods.
the game actually has a really charming graphical art-style, having this low poly/pixelated 3D which actually looks really good and is fairly unique.
But honestly, what I like most about this videogame is how this game uses comedy, I feel there aren't a lot of games that are meant to be funny or anything along those lines, in fact, the most games like this are ones where the funniest part is the interaction between players, very few games that are single player have comeedy, and I think it's a shame, because it works really well here. We need more funny videogames, and this is a step in the right direction.
This game doesn't really have a big scope but that's fine, it isn't trying to be peak or whatever, it's just trying to be a fun little experience. Still, I feel this game that has really good fundamentals, really good ideas, and I honestly wish to see a videogame like this one, but that tries to actually be peak. (Note: This doesn't mean a longer videogame, jsut one that leaves a bigger impression on the player, because honestly, I don't really see myself thinking about arctic eggs in a year or two from now on, but again, this isn't a flaw since it wasn't the goal to begin with.)
My only problem with this videogame, and honestly, a fairly big one, is that this game caused me phisical pain, like, the acutal very small, repetitive movements you had to do to cook the eggs were causing my arm and hand to really tense up, and after a while, it would really start feeling very uncomfortable and to even hurt, so, I couldn't really play this game for more than 25 minutes in a row, which is a shame, because I do think this game is really good.
So yeah fun little game, weighted down by the fact that playing this game would probably be risking an injury lmao
placed in B tier, but given that tiermaker hasn't really helped me I'm going to probably just redo the tierlist, more work for me T-T
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next: portal 1
have not started baki
Fun game
Arctic eggs is a really short and sweet game about frying eggs and other stuff. You're in the future, in the middle of the arctic, and you need to go around the place frying eggs for hungry people. The gameplay is pretty fun
I think this game handles difficulty very well, the actual act of frying an egg is fairly challenging, good control over the pan to actually flip the egg, and every new ingredient they add is more and more difficult, however, the game is never frustrating, as failing a challenge never really means anything bad, if you drop an egg to the floor, another one just appears and you're right back, the cooking sessions are always so short that you're never really losing progress either
Over the course of the game you get pretty good at frying at egg, so they add more ingredients, but, the actual skill needed for frying an egg translates very well to all other ingredients. I'm pretty sure that if this game went on for long enough, you would be pretty good at actually sightreading new foods.
the game actually has a really charming graphical art-style, having this low poly/pixelated 3D which actually looks really good and is fairly unique.
But honestly, what I like most about this videogame is how this game uses comedy, I feel there aren't a lot of games that are meant to be funny or anything along those lines, in fact, the most games like this are ones where the funniest part is the interaction between players, very few games that are single player have comeedy, and I think it's a shame, because it works really well here. We need more funny videogames, and this is a step in the right direction.
This game doesn't really have a big scope but that's fine, it isn't trying to be peak or whatever, it's just trying to be a fun little experience. Still, I feel this game that has really good fundamentals, really good ideas, and I honestly wish to see a videogame like this one, but that tries to actually be peak. (Note: This doesn't mean a longer videogame, jsut one that leaves a bigger impression on the player, because honestly, I don't really see myself thinking about arctic eggs in a year or two from now on, but again, this isn't a flaw since it wasn't the goal to begin with.)
My only problem with this videogame, and honestly, a fairly big one, is that this game caused me phisical pain, like, the acutal very small, repetitive movements you had to do to cook the eggs were causing my arm and hand to really tense up, and after a while, it would really start feeling very uncomfortable and to even hurt, so, I couldn't really play this game for more than 25 minutes in a row, which is a shame, because I do think this game is really good.
So yeah fun little game, weighted down by the fact that playing this game would probably be risking an injury lmao
placed in B tier, but given that tiermaker hasn't really helped me I'm going to probably just redo the tierlist, more work for me T-T
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next: portal 1
have not started baki
sometimes i feel bad for patatitta when he has to do all of this work
Topic Starter
finally finished redoing the tier list
YipeeeewPatatitta wrote:
finally finished redoing the tier list
(No) se cayó el portón
Topic Starter
Portal 1
Sweet little game, probably the best valve franchise IMO
I have completed portal 2 in the past, but I had never played portal 1, this game is a bit worse than portal 2 since it has less of a scope and it's overall less amitious, but, it's still a really good videogame
Portal 1 only has one goal and that is to be fun, all of the puzzles are pretty easy, you're not really get stumped on any of them, but it's still satisfactory to go through the motions and solve them, glados is a very unique character and they're very funny, which again, we need more videogames that go full on comedy, so well done
It's a game that doesn't have any rough edges, which is very impressive considering it's a puzzle game, where it's very easy to have tunnel vision on something and just get frustrated, it's all very seemless, nothing operates in a way that you think is wrong or not intuitive, this game really is the contrary to a game like fear and hunger, where it just doesn't show any adversion torwards the player, I feel in many ways this game is even more forgiving than stardew valley given the quicksaves you can do or whatever. This isn't necessarily a good thing tho, a lot of games do use adversion to psuh a certain idea or feeling, but portal just tries to be fun, it's like a mario game, and I respect that
Unlike portal 2, this doesn't really have a plot, which is fine
Compared to other valve games, I think portal 1 and 2 really stands out by the fact they're not really gimmicks, all of valve games in a way feel like tech demos, flexing their source engine or steam integration, half life was full of physhics puzzles just to show the power of source, portal, surprisingly, doesn't have that type of puzzles, they didn't really go overboared with the steam achivements, it's actually just a regualr game
The game is very short for videogame standards, I have been able to beat it just a little bit under 2 hours, I like this length, I feel a lot of games, mainly JRPG, go really overboad with the length, when there is a pretty big space for short games like this one
placed on A tier
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next: To The Moon (Game) (Requested by reffty_gag)
have not started baki, will probaly start soon-ish tho
Sweet little game, probably the best valve franchise IMO
I have completed portal 2 in the past, but I had never played portal 1, this game is a bit worse than portal 2 since it has less of a scope and it's overall less amitious, but, it's still a really good videogame
Portal 1 only has one goal and that is to be fun, all of the puzzles are pretty easy, you're not really get stumped on any of them, but it's still satisfactory to go through the motions and solve them, glados is a very unique character and they're very funny, which again, we need more videogames that go full on comedy, so well done
It's a game that doesn't have any rough edges, which is very impressive considering it's a puzzle game, where it's very easy to have tunnel vision on something and just get frustrated, it's all very seemless, nothing operates in a way that you think is wrong or not intuitive, this game really is the contrary to a game like fear and hunger, where it just doesn't show any adversion torwards the player, I feel in many ways this game is even more forgiving than stardew valley given the quicksaves you can do or whatever. This isn't necessarily a good thing tho, a lot of games do use adversion to psuh a certain idea or feeling, but portal just tries to be fun, it's like a mario game, and I respect that
Unlike portal 2, this doesn't really have a plot, which is fine
Compared to other valve games, I think portal 1 and 2 really stands out by the fact they're not really gimmicks, all of valve games in a way feel like tech demos, flexing their source engine or steam integration, half life was full of physhics puzzles just to show the power of source, portal, surprisingly, doesn't have that type of puzzles, they didn't really go overboared with the steam achivements, it's actually just a regualr game
The game is very short for videogame standards, I have been able to beat it just a little bit under 2 hours, I like this length, I feel a lot of games, mainly JRPG, go really overboad with the length, when there is a pretty big space for short games like this one
placed on A tier
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next: To The Moon (Game) (Requested by reffty_gag)
have not started baki, will probaly start soon-ish tho
Topic Starter
OH TIERMAKER BROKE AGAIN FUCK YOU TOO
time to just pull up photoshop I guess, i'm not dealing with this
time to just pull up photoshop I guess, i'm not dealing with this
Topic Starter
really does depends on the specifics, I would generally say no, but there may be some exceptionssametdze wrote:
do gmod campaign maps count as "games"
good to know you enjoyed portal!!
Topic Starter
To The Moon
this game was not about cryptocurrency 0/10
ok, but actually, this game is peak. To the moon is a RPGmaker videogame about two doctors exploring the memories of someone who is on the verge of death in order to help them achieve an unfulfilled dream.
There is a lot to unpack in this game, first of all, the actual story, at a more broad level, is really, really good, this is a game that is supposed to be emotional and thought provoking, and it really nails that, the actual dynamic of the two doctors makes a great counterpart to the old man and their wife. They feel very human in a way, yes, what we may be seeing may be pretty tough for us, but not really for them, it's their job, so they still crack some jokes here and there, it's only when things start to get heavy that we see a shift in their character, which is what causes most of the drama and conflict of the videogame.
The story takes place in a contemporary society, yes, they have MP8 and the ability to travel through memories and alter them, but the actual society is like it was 10 years back, this is actually vital to the story, as the actual game wouldn't work very well in a futuristic setting
And that is, because the wife, river, is autistic, and a lot of the game is about autism, how it manifests in different people, the actual way people respond to autism in modern society, and the toll it takes on the person.
John (the husband), comes from a very normal, middle class american family, that means that they never really had the experience of living in a community that is pretty homogenous, while river is an outcast that percieves the world very differently, so, at the start, the interactions between john and river were messy, john didn't really understand her at all, john didn't even know people like river existed, and river didn't understand that a situation was awkward or whatever.
Thing is, river wasn't diagnosed with autism until much later in life. This is a bit of a problem, since because of the way she percieved the world, she never really understood social norms, and since she really couldn't express what she was feeling as she thought it was normal, no one really explained it to her like my family and school had to do for me as an example.
When the diagnosis happened, john kinda rejected the idea of it, he never really seem to accept it, in fact, he didn't really seem to try to understand river, which leds to a very sad story later in life
Now, moving to meta elements, I REALLY like how the way autism is actually described in the game, as, the actual term, "autism", isn't ever explicitely mentioned once. If you're like john, you can finish to the moon and not realize river was autistic.
The only real confirmation we have is a dialogue where a secondary characters refeers to john as "Not neurodivergent", implying river is. Thing is, this game released in 2011, the term neurodivergent wasn't really in the public conciousness just yet, someone like john wouldn't notice the game is actually about autism, which is a good thing, since there would likely a lot of controversy and drama if it had been blatant. Only people who would be accepting of the game message would really understand it, it's a like a secret handshake or ritual, people who were autistic would feel seen and accepted and loved, while people who would find it problematic wouldn't make a fuss about it.
Games like this are good for normalizing things that in our current society may be controversial, in fact, a lot of the advances we have made as a society in recent history regard to many topics like this one have been able to flourish thanks to works of art like this one
But this game wasn't only problematic or polemic just for that, remember, this is 2011, and this is a indie RPGmaker game about pretty heavy topics. Remember what online discussion was very active during that period of time?, if videogames were art or not.
This game is a prime example of videogames as art, but again, you kinda had to ease that in. Indie prestige games weren't really a accepted game genre back then, so they kinda had to disguise this
While this is an RPGmaker game, it made SURE you wouldn't notice, they changed the menus, the control screen, what some sprites do on screen, they didn't want you to notice it was an RPGmaker game, because RPGmaker games were often seen as low quality, kinda like how unity was seen not so long ago.
The sprites have a lot more pixels and resolution than most pixel art games you will find today, which in fact, kinda does make the game look worse, but that's not the point, the game had to look professional. If it was released today with more simplistic graphics and more standard RPGmaker controls and UI it would probably be a better videogame, but masking it that way definitively helped the videogame.
Also, I find it poetic that a game about autism and how it's often looked down upon and missunderstood in society has to mask the fact that it is about autism and that it's art and that it's made on rpgmaker, because it too would be looked down upon and missunderstood in society.
S rank, no questions asked, this game actually has two sequels, will play them, idk if I will analyze them or not, depends on if someone requests it.
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next: Banzo - Marks of Slavery
i'm nearly done with baki
this game was not about cryptocurrency 0/10
ok, but actually, this game is peak. To the moon is a RPGmaker videogame about two doctors exploring the memories of someone who is on the verge of death in order to help them achieve an unfulfilled dream.
There is a lot to unpack in this game, first of all, the actual story, at a more broad level, is really, really good, this is a game that is supposed to be emotional and thought provoking, and it really nails that, the actual dynamic of the two doctors makes a great counterpart to the old man and their wife. They feel very human in a way, yes, what we may be seeing may be pretty tough for us, but not really for them, it's their job, so they still crack some jokes here and there, it's only when things start to get heavy that we see a shift in their character, which is what causes most of the drama and conflict of the videogame.
The story takes place in a contemporary society, yes, they have MP8 and the ability to travel through memories and alter them, but the actual society is like it was 10 years back, this is actually vital to the story, as the actual game wouldn't work very well in a futuristic setting
And that is, because the wife, river, is autistic, and a lot of the game is about autism, how it manifests in different people, the actual way people respond to autism in modern society, and the toll it takes on the person.
John (the husband), comes from a very normal, middle class american family, that means that they never really had the experience of living in a community that is pretty homogenous, while river is an outcast that percieves the world very differently, so, at the start, the interactions between john and river were messy, john didn't really understand her at all, john didn't even know people like river existed, and river didn't understand that a situation was awkward or whatever.
Thing is, river wasn't diagnosed with autism until much later in life. This is a bit of a problem, since because of the way she percieved the world, she never really understood social norms, and since she really couldn't express what she was feeling as she thought it was normal, no one really explained it to her like my family and school had to do for me as an example.
When the diagnosis happened, john kinda rejected the idea of it, he never really seem to accept it, in fact, he didn't really seem to try to understand river, which leds to a very sad story later in life
Now, moving to meta elements, I REALLY like how the way autism is actually described in the game, as, the actual term, "autism", isn't ever explicitely mentioned once. If you're like john, you can finish to the moon and not realize river was autistic.
The only real confirmation we have is a dialogue where a secondary characters refeers to john as "Not neurodivergent", implying river is. Thing is, this game released in 2011, the term neurodivergent wasn't really in the public conciousness just yet, someone like john wouldn't notice the game is actually about autism, which is a good thing, since there would likely a lot of controversy and drama if it had been blatant. Only people who would be accepting of the game message would really understand it, it's a like a secret handshake or ritual, people who were autistic would feel seen and accepted and loved, while people who would find it problematic wouldn't make a fuss about it.
Games like this are good for normalizing things that in our current society may be controversial, in fact, a lot of the advances we have made as a society in recent history regard to many topics like this one have been able to flourish thanks to works of art like this one
But this game wasn't only problematic or polemic just for that, remember, this is 2011, and this is a indie RPGmaker game about pretty heavy topics. Remember what online discussion was very active during that period of time?, if videogames were art or not.
This game is a prime example of videogames as art, but again, you kinda had to ease that in. Indie prestige games weren't really a accepted game genre back then, so they kinda had to disguise this
While this is an RPGmaker game, it made SURE you wouldn't notice, they changed the menus, the control screen, what some sprites do on screen, they didn't want you to notice it was an RPGmaker game, because RPGmaker games were often seen as low quality, kinda like how unity was seen not so long ago.
The sprites have a lot more pixels and resolution than most pixel art games you will find today, which in fact, kinda does make the game look worse, but that's not the point, the game had to look professional. If it was released today with more simplistic graphics and more standard RPGmaker controls and UI it would probably be a better videogame, but masking it that way definitively helped the videogame.
Also, I find it poetic that a game about autism and how it's often looked down upon and missunderstood in society has to mask the fact that it is about autism and that it's art and that it's made on rpgmaker, because it too would be looked down upon and missunderstood in society.
S rank, no questions asked, this game actually has two sequels, will play them, idk if I will analyze them or not, depends on if someone requests it.
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next: Banzo - Marks of Slavery
i'm nearly done with baki
a compelling review, specifically the sociocultural commentary of creative artistic media as vehicles for driving/carrying culture and being there for the people it represents/reflects/depicts while being able to navigate and chameleonize with the broader conditions of social contexts at the timePatatitta wrote:
To The Moon
this game was not about cryptocurrency 0/10ok, but actually, this game is peak.
To the moon is a RPGmaker videogame about two doctors exploring the memories of someone who is on the verge of death in order to help them achieve an unfulfilled dream.
There is a lot to unpack in this game, first of all, the actual story, at a more broad level, is really, really good, this is a game that is supposed to be emotional and thought provoking, and it really nails that, the actual dynamic of the two doctors makes a great counterpart to the old man and their wife. They feel very human in a way, yes, what we may be seeing may be pretty tough for us, but not really for them, it's their job, so they still crack some jokes here and there, it's only when things start to get heavy that we see a shift in their character, which is what causes most of the drama and conflict of the videogame.
The story takes place in a contemporary society, yes, they have MP8 and the ability to travel through memories and alter them, but the actual society is like it was 10 years back, this is actually vital to the story, as the actual game wouldn't work very well in a futuristic setting
And that is, because the wife, river, is autistic, and a lot of the game is about autism, how it manifests in different people, the actual way people respond to autism in modern society, and the toll it takes on the person.
John (the husband), comes from a very normal, middle class american family, that means that they never really had the experience of living in a community that is pretty homogenous, while river is an outcast that percieves the world very differently, so, at the start, the interactions between john and river were messy, john didn't really understand her at all, john didn't even know people like river existed, and river didn't understand that a situation was awkward or whatever.
Thing is, river wasn't diagnosed with autism until much later in life. This is a bit of a problem, since because of the way she percieved the world, she never really understood social norms, and since she really couldn't express what she was feeling as she thought it was normal, no one really explained it to her like my family and school had to do for me as an example.
When the diagnosis happened, john kinda rejected the idea of it, he never really seem to accept it, in fact, he didn't really seem to try to understand river, which leds to a very sad story later in life
Now, moving to meta elements, I REALLY like how the way autism is actually described in the game, as, the actual term, "autism", isn't ever explicitely mentioned once. If you're like john, you can finish to the moon and not realize river was autistic.
The only real confirmation we have is a dialogue where a secondary characters refeers to john as "Not neurodivergent", implying river is. Thing is, this game released in 2011, the term neurodivergent wasn't really in the public conciousness just yet, someone like john wouldn't notice the game is actually about autism, which is a good thing, since there would likely a lot of controversy and drama if it had been blatant. Only people who would be accepting of the game message would really understand it, it's a like a secret handshake or ritual, people who were autistic would feel seen and accepted and loved, while people who would find it problematic wouldn't make a fuss about it.
Games like this are good for normalizing things that in our current society may be controversial, in fact, a lot of the advances we have made as a society in recent history regard to many topics like this one have been able to flourish thanks to works of art like this one
But this game wasn't only problematic or polemic just for that, remember, this is 2011, and this is a indie RPGmaker game about pretty heavy topics. Remember what online discussion was very active during that period of time?, if videogames were art or not.
This game is a prime example of videogames as art, but again, you kinda had to ease that in. Indie prestige games weren't really a accepted game genre back then, so they kinda had to disguise this
While this is an RPGmaker game, it made SURE you wouldn't notice, they changed the menus, the control screen, what some sprites do on screen, they didn't want you to notice it was an RPGmaker game, because RPGmaker games were often seen as low quality, kinda like how unity was seen not so long ago.
The sprites have a lot more pixels and resolution than most pixel art games you will find today, which in fact, kinda does make the game look worse, but that's not the point, the game had to look professional. If it was released today with more simplistic graphics and more standard RPGmaker controls and UI it would probably be a better videogame, but masking it that way definitively helped the videogame.
Also, I find it poetic that a game about autism and how it's often looked down upon and missunderstood in society has to mask the fact that it is about autism and that it's art and that it's made on rpgmaker, because it too would be looked down upon and missunderstood in society.
S rank, no questions asked, this game actually has two sequels, will play them, idk if I will analyze them or not, depends on if someone requests it.
i've thought about that for a looooong time with art/animation/music/games generally, and always wonder how i would be able to learn to do something similar to that, where i would be able to at least be responsible with the messaging or delivery of my theoretical future creations like games that each express something from my experiences and observations and curiosities/interests/indulgences
Guys/lads/people this game made me feel/sense/experience such sadness/unhappiness/sorrow/misery
as they often doPolyspora wrote:
Guys/lads/people this game made me feel/sense/experience such sadness/unhappiness/sorrow/misery
people/[sensory input]/[negative calm emotion]Achromalia wrote:
as they often doPolyspora wrote:
Guys/lads/people this game made me feel/sense/experience such sadness/unhappiness/sorrow/misery
i really felt likez0z wrote:
people/[sensory input]/[negative calm emotion]Achromalia wrote:
as they often doPolyspora wrote:
Guys/lads/people this game made me feel/sense/experience such sadness/unhappiness/sorrow/misery
[a variety of applicable conditions that describe the scope and character of particular experiences, and generally represent what is meant to be communicated despite it being difficult to think clearly and coherently, with a reliance on multiple examples to better illustrate and anchor those descriptions with the outline of something at least passably comprehensible], specifically about
[media with a particularly substantive context that meaningfully characterizes how we interpret and explore the work, in ways which can be difficult to thoroughly articulate but are important and instrumental to the personal experiential premise and the interests held]
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so true actually
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Banzo - marks of slavery, (dropped)
idk, not exactly what I expected
Banzo is a strategy/managament game about brazil's quilombos, and it's just not very interesting or fun, the game is extremely simplistic, while it is a management game, there really aren't that many options, not only that, but these mechanics aren't really explained very well, so you can just do a mistake thinking a certain action would do something for it to then do something different, which leads to a failed mission objectives which means you have to restart the entire game from the start
it's frustrating to play, this could be something good but this doesn't feel like the intended experience.
There is a story, but in many circumstances it feels like it takes the backstage to the management, and it isn't the most engaging either
didn't really like thje game very much, not placed on tier list
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still finishing baki
no more videogames to play
idk, not exactly what I expected
Banzo is a strategy/managament game about brazil's quilombos, and it's just not very interesting or fun, the game is extremely simplistic, while it is a management game, there really aren't that many options, not only that, but these mechanics aren't really explained very well, so you can just do a mistake thinking a certain action would do something for it to then do something different, which leads to a failed mission objectives which means you have to restart the entire game from the start
it's frustrating to play, this could be something good but this doesn't feel like the intended experience.
There is a story, but in many circumstances it feels like it takes the backstage to the management, and it isn't the most engaging either
didn't really like thje game very much, not placed on tier list
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still finishing baki
no more videogames to play