If only people are supposed to stay in prison for life, and if there is no way to get these guys right, then yes.

Connection terminated. I'm sorry to interrupt you, Elizabeth, if you still even remember that name, But I'm afraid you've been misinformed. You are not here to receive a gift, nor have you been called here by the individual you assume, although, you have indeed been called. You have all been called here, into a labyrinth of sounds and smells, misdirection and misfortune. A labyrinth with no exit, a maze with no prize. You don't even realize that you are trapped. Your lust for blood has driven you in endless circles, chasing the cries of children in some unseen chamber, always seeming so near, yet somehow out of reach, but you will never find them. None of you will. This is where your story ends. And to you, my brave volunteer, who somehow found this job listing not intended for you, although there was a way out planned for you, I have a feeling that's not what you want. I have a feeling that you are right where you want to be. I am remaining as well. I am nearby. This place will not be remembered, and the memory of everything that started this can finally begin to fade away. As the agony of every tragedy should. And to you monsters trapped in the corridors, be still and give up your spirits. They don't belong to you. For most of you, I believe there is peace and perhaps more waiting for you after the smoke clears. Although, for one of you, the darkest pit of Hell has opened to swallow you whole, so don't keep the devil waiting, old friend. My daughter, if you can hear me, I knew you would return as well. It's in your nature to protect the innocent. I'm sorry that on that day, the day you were shut out and left to die, no one was there to lift you up into their arms the way you lifted others into yours, and then, what became of you. I should have known you wouldn't be content to disappear, not my daughter. I couldn't save you then, so let me save you now. It's time to rest - for you, and for those you have carried in your arms. This ends for all of us. End communication.

For science UwU
As long as it's not something as bad as unit 731 and only on people who would otherwise be sentenced to death it's acceptable (implying justice is never wrong).

Stomiks wrote:

Setting

It's been more than a week since you met God. Since then, your relationships with your family and friends slighty diminished. You didn't find anything useful during your research, as He does not correlate to any Gods that humans believe in, and appears to be a being outside of human comprehension. While taking care of your daughter, you suddenly felt being pulled outside your world. You tried to grab onto the furniture. But it was useless, as you felt like you had been transferred to a different world, like a computer file being moved to a different folder. You arrived and saw god in the distance. You decided to run to him and ask questions. "Who are you?" "Why are you doing this to me?" He responded: "You're just a recreation of something real." You looked confused, and weren't satisfied with such a vague answer. Before you try shouting at him for more answers, he immediately presents the next dilemma...

Question

Given that these despicable individuals committed such atrocious crimes against humanity... is it wise to authorize the experimentation on criminals who have committed serious crimes like murder, terrorism, human torture and the like? Psychological experiments, crash test dummies for automobile testing, unethical medical testing, and various tests of human capabilities, such as how long you can withstand being grilled over a firepit, are some of the types of experiments that will be performed on the criminals.

Would you allow for the experimentation of criminals?

Maybe, im not sure

depends on the country the law is being set in

"yes" works best when minimal amounts of people are falsely incarcerated

no, if we're refering to dangerous things like testing quimical stuff with them. they're prisoners, but they're also humans. you can't treat them like not even animals.

what makes me surprised it's that so many people says yes

if the torture of anyone, even a mass murderer makes you feel better or makes "experiencing" with them acceptable, there is something really wrong with you. I'm sorry if the world seems unfair, but vengeance is not the way.

yes

Polyspora wrote:

if the torture of anyone, even a mass murderer makes you feel better or makes "experiencing" with them acceptable, there is something really wrong with you. I'm sorry if the world seems unfair, but vengeance is not the way.

It's not vengeance, it's making use of people who would just rot in jail or be killed otherwise.

Psychological experiments,
Sure

crash test dummies for automobile testing,
What the hell?? No

unethical medical testing,
No

and various tests of human capabilities, such as how long you can withstand being grilled over a firepit,
Wtf no

Yes
You reap what you sow

the difference in opinions in this thread is why this is called a "moral dilemma" and not "agreed upon"

Karmine wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

if the torture of anyone, even a mass murderer makes you feel better or makes "experiencing" with them acceptable, there is something really wrong with you. I'm sorry if the world seems unfair, but vengeance is not the way.

It's not vengeance, it's making use of people who would just rot in jail or be killed otherwise.

we getting back to the 40's I see

Polyspora wrote:

Karmine wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

if the torture of anyone, even a mass murderer makes you feel better or makes "experiencing" with them acceptable, there is something really wrong with you. I'm sorry if the world seems unfair, but vengeance is not the way.

It's not vengeance, it's making use of people who would just rot in jail or be killed otherwise.

we getting back to the 40's I see

this thread reminds of the tuskegee experiment which is a horrid shitshow that should have never happened

So here is the thing - people have been debating on what the most humane way to execute someone is for centuries. Imagine that we as a society want someone on death row to feel as least pain us possible when they are terminated. Now we propose to have the option of experimenting on them. Even if you make a condition that the prisoners are not to undergo cruel experimentation, there will, and I cannot stress this enough, will be a multiple cases where researchers miscalculate or even "miscalculate" to yield results equivalent to torture.

Even phycological experiments can fuck up an individual to the point where there would be no hope of reintegrating them into society. There are convicts which can be helped and there are convicts that would enjoy watching the world burn. If we were to say it ok to experiment on prisoners we have to be sure they are the type that cannot be helped, they are the scum of the scum, they deserve everything that's coming for them. Yet consider this - there are cases of people who turned out to be innocent sentenced to death.

I would love to say to use prisoners for experimentation in an ideal world. This however is not an ideal world. There are mistrials, miscalculations, and mistreatment. Before we even think about doing this, at the very least, we should reform prisons to be rehabilitation facilities instead of monkey cages.

Using prisoners for experimentation may cause results to deviate from that of standard means. Minor experimentations may be still applicable.

I think we should find a way to do this science without tourturing people, prisioners are still people

Patatitta wrote:

I think we should find a way to do this science without tourturing people, prisioners are still people

even if they're "scum of scum", even in that case, they're still humans.

Stomiks wrote:

Result

You allowed the use of prisoners for experimentation. Interesting choice. After you have made your decision, you are returned to your world where a law allows governments and corporations with government ties to have complete control over the prisoners residing in their country. As a result, there have been numerous technological advancements that have benefited humanity, though they have also occasionally resulted in minor disasters. To ensure that these prisoners are guilty of their crimes, all governments are more strict of a suspect's judgement and need more evidence that suspects have actually committed the crime they're accused of.

Crime rates around the world have been significantly reduced, because people are afraid of being "tortured" under the guise of experimentation. While many people support this law, others are protesting for a repeal, making statements like "It's morally wrong." And "They are still human."

The world looks dystopian. The news continues to document the oppression of the protests and reveals that corrupt politicians are abusing this law. While this may have brought us closer to achieving many great ambitions, there has never been a greater divide in humanity than at this time.

i'm pretty sure crime rates are based on the risk of being caught more than the size of punnishment

z0z wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

Result

You allowed the use of prisoners for experimentation. Interesting choice. After you have made your decision, you are returned to your world where a law allows governments and corporations with government ties to have complete control over the prisoners residing in their country. As a result, there have been numerous technological advancements that have benefited humanity, though they have also occasionally resulted in minor disasters. To ensure that these prisoners are guilty of their crimes, all governments are more strict of a suspect's judgement and need more evidence that suspects have actually committed the crime they're accused of.

Crime rates around the world have been significantly reduced, because people are afraid of being "tortured" under the guise of experimentation. While many people support this law, others are protesting for a repeal, making statements like "It's morally wrong." And "They are still human."

The world looks dystopian. The news continues to document the oppression of the protests and reveals that corrupt politicians are abusing this law. While this may have brought us closer to achieving many great ambitions, there has never been a greater divide in humanity than at this time.

i'm pretty sure crime rates are based on the risk of being caught more than the size of punnishment

I don't really know. There are some sites that state they're based on how many crimes are committed in a population while there are some that also puts population risk into it. I think it depends on how a country calculates it's crime rates.

ammount of punishment does affect rates, less than the risk of being caught but it does help, I think my source is myself

but yeah, I still think that delaying those advancements a couple years is worth not killing people