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Newbie #9 - Knock! Knock! Knock! (Game End)

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Sakura
5, and if there's no hammer before deadline, day ends without a lynch
Irreversible
o_O? I thought the one with the most votes? I'm confused now.
Amianki
Are you already voting him?
Sakura
He's not voting anyone.
Sakura

Rules wrote:

If majority isn't reached, there will be no lynch so you know...
Irreversible
Vote: reDo

I've read through your posts and the others arguments, and it makes sense actually.
Irreversible

CalignoBot wrote:

Are you already voting him?
..are you stressed by smth or so? u.u
Sakura
Well now we just wait for the mod to post the flip, and send the game into night (i think that was a hammer?), I would say you should've declared intent first but we were running out of time here.
Sakura
Also it's normal for days to end without a lynch if no majority is reached, just that for some reason people in here prefer the contrary, lynches give info, and allow for bandwagon analisis after the flip, if someone can be lynched with 1 vote, then that gives no info at all and makes it harder to catch scum, so yeah I agree with that rule.
Amianki

Irreversible wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Are you already voting him?
..are you stressed by smth or so? u.u
I'm in a hurry since the deadline is pretty much slapping us on the ass.
Sakura
He's already hammered, Irre wasnt voting rEdo on the last votecount so his vote was a hammer.
Amianki
I know. I was answering his question.
Irreversible
how much time was left? oO
Amianki
About two hours.
Topic Starter
Lilac


Sorry, was busy with chess openings. It looks like someone got lynched today, hurrah. Little King John will have tons of fun with this. Also, you should YouTube search for Attack on Ratboy Genius, best OP ever.

Final Votecount for D1:
rEdo (5) (Lynched) - Jinx, Quotes, Sakura, CalignoBot, Irreversible
Quotes (1) - rEdo
Sakura (1) - SenaSaki

Saki will be replaced, probably by Sephibro, hold on while I do the flip.
Topic Starter
Lilac
rEdo got turned into a potato knish D1. He was a Mafia Goon.

It is now Night 1. You have 24-48 hours because I have to probably get a replacement for Saki. Hurrah.
Topic Starter
Lilac
On my phone now but I can safely say that Quotes, the Town Cop.
is dead.

You have a week from now. Saki has responded to the pros and will not be replaced. Seriously. I'll update this soon when I have the time.
Sakura
That was expected, Man I need to stop being weak to buddying, since scum decided to kill him rather block him it's quite probably they dont have a Roleblocker, which means we also dont have a Doctor, so it's pretty mountainous from here on.
Amianki

Sakura wrote:

That was expected, Man I need to stop being weak to buddying, since scum decided to kill him rather block him it's quite probably they dont have a Roleblocker, which means we also dont have a Doctor, so it's pretty mountainous from here on.
FoS: Sakura

Vote: Irreversible

This can't be overlooked at all. A quick ISO search pinpoints him as rEdo's partner the hardest. He attacked me (the first person to suspect him) a LOT over the past day and attacked Quotes (the primary pusher of rEdo) pretty hard as well. His only real pressure on rEdo was very halfheartedly done. Plus, as mentioned yesterday, rEdo's interactions with him aren't very innocent either.
Sakura
Do you think he would hammered rEdo if he was his partner?
Amianki
At that point, he pretty much had no choice. If he willingly didn't hammer and later had rEdo flip scum, that would have made it incredibly obvious he's rEdo's partner.
Sakura
Hmm I guess I see your point, I was thinking more on Saki tbh, since rEdo focused on Royston's and kook's inactivity but he ignored Saki completely.
Amianki
That's a pretty weak associative tell and Saki's slot is pretty much entirely devoid of content right now. I'll wait until at least a replacement can post some content before coming to a conclusion on it.
Sakura
Saki's back tho, so we prob. will get more content from him soon (I Hope)
Sakura
Btw what was the FoS for?
Amianki

Sakura wrote:

1. That was expected, 2. Man I need to stop being weak to buddying, 3. since scum decided to kill him rather block him it's quite probably they dont have a Roleblocker, which means we also dont have a Doctor, so it's pretty mountainous from here on.
1. I really can't tell if this is a scumslip or not. Either way, it's a variant of the "damn it" tell, or whatever it's officially called.

2. This sounds really forced. This statement and the one before it sounds more like an attempt to sound town than anything else.

3. Pretty much just stating information.

No scumhunting, votes, aggression of any kind. All there is there is a small amount of info and forced statements.
Sakura
1. Actually you may be referring to the "Well that sucks!" tell, or gloating. I expected the death because he was a claimed cop.

2. Well excuse me for being a global scum read and being weak towards people that actually DO town read me.

3. I think that has more analysis than information tbh.

I don't have any major scumreads atm, and you're like the only one around atm to interact with. Also I've already resigned to getting lynched today due to rEdo's buddying anyway =D
SeiinaAraki
defeatist sakura is usually scum sakura
Jinxy
Honestly, I don't really think Irre is scum. rEdo pressured him pretty hard while buddying Sakura, and I don't really think his would risk his partner dying if Irre couldn't persuade Sakura. Pretty sure they didn't have daychat to try and plan it out, either.

I know it sounds really simple, but for starters, I'm looking at those who weren't on rEdo's wagon (Sena, Royston, Dake).

Dake posted his intent to hammer Quotes slightly less than 24 hours before D1 ended. He might have just missed Quotes claiming and rEdo's wagon, so I'm null on him.

rEdo's "focus" on Royston was just "he's acting weird", which is null to me. However, Royston did try and call out rEdo dropping suspicion on Irre so suddenly, so that bends Royston a tiny bit towards town for me. Unfortunately, rEdo completely missed or ignored Royston's post so I can't further that train of thought.

Searching "Sena" and "Saki" in rEdo's ISO garnered a grand total of 1 result, and that was rEdo trying to quote me. Essentially, he has said absolutely nothing about Saki and only asked for a prod on Royston, despite Saki being even more inactive than Royston. I also saw Saki once in the "Users browsing this forum:" during her disappearance, but I didn't call that out because I thought she was finally going to post. Which she didn't. All these points are making me feel that Saki is scum.

SenaSaki wrote:

defeatist sakura is usually scum sakura
quality content

Vote: SenaSaki
Quotes_old
Bah.
SeiinaAraki
Solid case.

but I'm just better at lurking than Royston is (I don't go "hey I'm here but I don't have any reads")
actually I just forgot about the game

So I'll have to say an associative tell like that is wrong.

Since the cop flip, it's just as likely that we're looking for a roleblocker as we are looking for a goon.

I'd expect bussing. Heavy bussing, especially in the case of a roleblocker.
SeiinaAraki
Scratch that.

Since rEdo voted kook > Irreversible > Quotes, the last of which flipped cop, rEdo wasn't bussing.
SeiinaAraki
Oh, and I missed rEdo's Jinxy vote.

Well, going off Jinxy and his distancing case
kook/Jinxy/Quotes/Irre and likely Royston that aren't scumbuddies due to rEdo pushing all of their wagons from time to time

that leaves me, Caligno, Sakura, and Dake.


aaaand I'm stupid and probably should sheep someone.
Amianki
The cop dying kind of makes roleblocker close to impossible.
SeiinaAraki
tempted to delete previous posts in light of extreme derp

Sakura wrote:

Hmm I guess I see your point, I was thinking more on Saki tbh, since rEdo focused on Royston's and kook's inactivity but he ignored Saki completely.
afaik rEdo was using pointing out inactivity for towncred
kook and Royston were people that called attention onto them "hey guys I'm here"
then proceeded to lurk.
Obvious trajectory of rEdoscum would be to point them out.
Which likely indicates that both of them are not scum.

and me
uh
well
i was forgotten by everyone I don't think I count as distancing
and I'm town anyways

Jinxy/Caligno/Sakura have been protown
so
uh

I guess
all of you are town
kfjdakl;sfaklsf
SeiinaAraki

CalignoBot wrote:

The cop dying kind of makes roleblocker close to impossible.
I thought the two cop setups was cop/2goon and doc-cop/1rb 1goon
Amianki
Yes, and the only way cop would end up dying is if the doctor was roleblocked. That's a huge gamble.
SeiinaAraki

CalignoBot wrote:

Yes, and the only way cop would end up dying is if the doctor was roleblocked. That's a huge gamble.
did not consider that
oh well
Sakura
Yeah, scum knew there wasn't a doctor otherwise they wouldn't have shot the claimed cop knowing the likelihood of protect was 95%.

Nice to finally see you posting Saki tho, Royston said he sux D1 let's see if he gets something done D2, so far still leaning for Saki tho

Ah screw it

Vote: SenaSaki

I'd think by now you should have at least someone worth a scumread and a vote.
SeiinaAraki
the theory holds true

either i push you or you push me

anyways I really can't narrow it down to one scumread.


The "oh rEdo didn't mention Saki" is such a weak scumtell though >_>
rEdo isn't the only one that didn't mention me d1, literally no one did.
SeiinaAraki
I'm still reconsidering my scumreads as my top scumspect is Caligno atm and that can't be right.
Amianki
Reasoning?
DakeDekaane
Just leaving this here.

Sakura wrote:

Hi Saki, wanna 1v1 tunnel here too?

SenaSaki wrote:

"extending RVS is a SCUMTELL!"
uh no 1v1 is bad

cool, Sakura's town

SenaSaki wrote:

scum doesn't want a 1v1 ever
and i doubt scum sakura would buddy up to me

well now that i think about it it might be a fake townslip
Irreversible
Caligno, this seems more like a panik like omgus. Remember when I always said i'm going to vote you afterwards? This seems to be your answer. But anyways: Here's my vote for you, since you were one of the first who voted Quotes, who is obviously dead now.

Vote: CalignoBot
Sakura
Quotes was scummy in his own right, being the first the vote is meaningless. If voting Quotes were a crime, there were 4 people on that wagon with an intent declared, there's only 2 scum, so by default at least 3 people (incluing dake's intent in there) are town. So it's p.much null.
Sakura
EBWODP: "being the first to vote*
Sakura
@Saki: I show a defeatist attitude because I wouldnt blame it if People want to get me lynched because of rEdo's buddying, I'm weak to buddying which can be seen in a Newbie game I had with Wisdom on MS, where he insta town read me after replacing in, and I townread him because of that, but he was scum in the end and won. I really hate it when scum buddy to me to get me to townread them, and I'm glad Quotes made me see it before it was too late, however it does implicate my slot as well, soooo w/e.

And yeah from now on im gonna be paranoid of anyone that buddies me >_>
SeiinaAraki
I buddy you, sakura
except that you're already paranoid of me since I like to trick you, apparently
does that make you hyperparanoid of me?
SeiinaAraki

CalignoBot wrote:

Reasoning?
When I skimmed rEdo's ISO I didn't really note much interaction between you and rEdo despite both of you being fairly active at around the same time.

Dake, point?

vote: Irreversible
that vote
THAT VOTE
it just looks so bad
i mean you explained it and all
but it still looks so bad
Sakura
Unvote
Vote: Royston
Royston

Sakura wrote:

Royston said he sux D1 let's see if he gets something done D2
nope surprise I suck D2 as well :)))))

I think Caligno is scum though, so I'm going to vote for him

vote: CalignoBot
Sakura

Royston wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Royston said he sux D1 let's see if he gets something done D2
nope surprise I suck D2 as well :)))))

I think Caligno is scum though, so I'm going to vote for him

vote: CalignoBot
Yeah no.

More votes on Royston please.
Royston
Claim: Vanilla Townie
Sakura

Royston wrote:

Claim: Vanilla Townie
Have i mentioned how scummy you are yet.
Irreversible
Saki what's wrong being active at the same time? Sakura and Caligno and Quotes have been active too, I don't get that Argument.. although i'm going to unvote now, since I sometimes Focus one Person without really thinking about other things.

Unvote
Sakura
You could vote Royston for starters.
SeiinaAraki

Irreversible wrote:

Saki what's wrong being active at the same time? Sakura and Caligno and Quotes have been active too, I don't get that Argument.. although i'm going to unvote now, since I sometimes Focus one Person without really thinking about other things.

Unvote
You two were both active at around the same time yet you two did not have much interaction.

Usually being active at the same time means some sort of interaction.
SeiinaAraki

SenaSaki wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Saki what's wrong being active at the same time? Sakura and Caligno and Quotes have been active too, I don't get that Argument.. although i'm going to unvote now, since I sometimes Focus one Person without really thinking about other things.

Unvote
You two were both active at around the same time yet you two did not have much interaction.

Usually being active at the same time means some sort of interaction.
Them two*
Amianki

Royston wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Royston said he sux D1 let's see if he gets something done D2
nope surprise I suck D2 as well :)))))

I think Caligno is scum though, so I'm going to vote for him

vote: CalignoBot
Your lack of explanation is noted.
Irreversible
I don't feel well that you always ask me to vote someone.

Vote: Royston

Caligno, you were the one who wanted me to hammer reDo, so don't say ' you were the one who hammered reDo ' -_-
DakeDekaane
@Saki: the point was that I can interpret it as a slight slip.

Royston, claiming when you only has 1 vote is a sign of nervousness imo, why would you do that? Why do you think Caligno is scum? Why shouldn't I vote for you?
Royston

DakeDekaane wrote:

@Saki: the point was that I can interpret it as a slight slip.

Royston, claiming when you only has 1 vote is a sign of nervousness imo, why would you do that? Why do you think Caligno is scum? Why shouldn't I vote for you?
The claim was a joke, there's only vanilla roles left (unless the doctor was very silly or very unlucky)

I voted for Caligno because rEdo ISO seemed to be very passive when talking to him
DakeDekaane
If your claim was a joke, are you scum?
Royston
no I'm town
Amianki
Eh, I don't think Royston is scum.
Royston
Why's that? I thought my posts were slimy?
Amianki
I'm getting a more town than mafia vibe in your latest few posts.
Jinxy

CalignoBot wrote:

I'm getting a more town than mafia vibe in your latest few posts.
...ok...? That seems like a really quick change of opinion. Royston's reason was completely ripped from Saki's post, and the fact that he had to explain his reason after being asked to do it by Dake instead of just doing it during the vote seemed weird.

...That said, his reasoning does have some interesting points. rEdo hasn't talked much about Cali either, much like Saki which is my reason for voting her.

...Yeah, I have no idea about you two any more. I'll just stick to my Saki vote. Her posts aren't really reading as town to me.
Sakura
My issue with Royston is that he had to wait until getting voted to appear.
Irreversible

CalignoBot wrote:

I'm getting a more town than mafia vibe in your latest few posts.
So much about telling me I should stop changing my mind so quickly.
Amianki

Jinxy wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

I'm getting a more town than mafia vibe in your latest few posts.
...ok...? That seems like a really quick change of opinion. Royston's reason was completely ripped from Saki's post, and the fact that he had to explain his reason after being asked to do it by Dake instead of just doing it during the vote seemed weird.
What about this is 'really quick'? It's been a whole sixteen pages since I first voted for Royston. For context, sixteen pages is slightly (as in half a page) less than half of the entire thread.

As for his posts, I don't get that super slimy feel off of it. It actually looks really slimy that people are jumping on him for his posts, anti-town as they are. At this point, he's being so incredibly anti-town that I don't feel it's mafia-motivated.

How is Irreversible not getting more votes?
Jinxy
Oh, so that's what you meant. I thought you were still on Royston at this post:

CalignoBot wrote:

Royston wrote:

nope surprise I suck D2 as well :)))))

I think Caligno is scum though, so I'm going to vote for him

vote: CalignoBot
Your lack of explanation is noted.
Well then.
Amianki
He explained it after that with enough variance from Saki's explanation that I didn't get that scummy sheep feel from it.
Sakura
@Mod: Prod everyone that can be prodded
Royston
Sakura, if it turns out I'm not scum, who would you suspect?
Sakura
You're certainly turning scum after scumslipping like that.

Tbh i got no idea, because you're like the only one that has a very high chance of flipping scum
SeiinaAraki
*turns up at mention of prod*
Still really can't figure out why scumCaligno would play like this on d1
leaning irrescum
Royston
Haha. Scumslip? Please spare me...

I'm just trying to understand your mindset. Unless you have direct proof of someone being scum I don't see how what you're doing is helpful at all. Okay, this might sound hypocritical as I haven't been the most helpful town player - but focusing entirely on me and not considering the possibility of other people being scum is just wasteful. sure, there's nothing stopping you from doing so tomorrow but it's just a waste of a day imo if you don't use the time to consider other outcomes.
Royston
^ directed at Sakura btw, damnit sena :(
DakeDekaane
Maybe it's time for sharing our scum suspects? tbh I don't have strong leads, but Royston and Irre are quite suspicious for me.
Jinxy
I still think that Saki's most likely the last scum, though Caligno and Royston's interactions are still reading weirdly to me. I would be ok with lynching them.

CalignoBot wrote:

He explained it after that with enough variance from Saki's explanation that I didn't get that scummy sheep feel from it.

SenaSaki wrote:

When I skimmed rEdo's ISO I didn't really note much interaction between you and rEdo despite both of you being fairly active at around the same time.

Royston wrote:

I voted for Caligno because rEdo ISO seemed to be very passive when talking to him
Personally, their explanations here seem really close to each other, unlike what Cali says. Feels like Cali keeps defending Royston for some reason.

CalignoBot wrote:

It actually looks really slimy that people are jumping on him for his posts, anti-town as they are. At this point, he's being so incredibly anti-town that I don't feel it's mafia-motivated.
Could be attempted WK/buddying, though I don't get why Cali would try it again especially since rEdo was caught.


Anyway, unofficial votecount since Lilac's nowhere to be seen

Irreversible (2) - Calignobot, SenaSaki
SenaSaki (1) - Jinxy
Calignobot (1) - Royston
Royston (2) - Sakura, Irreversible
Amianki

Jinxy wrote:

Personally, their explanations here seem really close to each other, unlike what Cali says. Feels like Cali keeps defending Royston for some reason.
They're the same subject, but the reason itself is very different. Saki's reason was lack of interaction, while Royston's was the style of interaction.

Jinxy wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

It actually looks really slimy that people are jumping on him for his posts, anti-town as they are. At this point, he's being so incredibly anti-town that I don't feel it's mafia-motivated.
Could be attempted WK/buddying, though I don't get why Cali would try it again especially since rEdo was caught.
What do you mean by again?

Also, what are your individual reads of both of us?
Amianki
We've only had 3 posts in the past 24 hours, and one was pretty much on that time.

Come on guys.
Topic Starter
Lilac


Knock knock, open up the door if it's real, with the non-stop pop pop of stainless steel.

Votecount 2.1:

Irreversible (2) - CalignoBot, SenaSaki
Royston (2) - Sakura, Irreversible
SenaSaki (1) - Jinxy
CalignoBot (1) - Royston

There's about 2 days left. Maybe I should make the deadlines 2 weeks. I'll do that in fact. You've got 9 days. Hurrah.

Irreversible has been prodded.
Irreversible
Ew sorry, i had three exams this week, barely had time to do anything, currently I'm at School i'll post further when i'm back home (approximately 5 hours)
Jinxy

CalignoBot wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Could be attempted WK/buddying, though I don't get why Cali would try it again especially since rEdo was caught.
What do you mean by again?

Also, what are your individual reads of both of us?
Again as in rEdo buddied Sakura D1, got called out by Quotes, and your interactions with Roy look a little bit like buddying, so, "again".

As for individual reads, other than coming to Royston's defense recently which moved you to null, you had been leaning town-ish for me.

Royston... eeeeeh. I know I said that him calling out rEdo made him lean little town, but I'm retracting that statement because thinking about it more, the interaction stops there, so it could have been just calling out his scumbuddy and letting that point drop when rEdo didn't reply. D2, he voted you suddenly and didn't provide a reason until later.

We've been through this next part before, but I'll just say again that I don't really buy Royston's reason.
1. The subject, as you've already said, is the same.
2. "Passive" is honestly a very vague word. A lack of interaction easily leads to a weak interaction when they really do talk, imo. If you had suddenly gone into a heated discussion with rEdo, it wouldn't be lacking even if it was only a few posts long because points would be brought up.
3. Royston had a one-line explanation. Added with 2, I feel it's most like he saw Saki's post, read through your ISO, and then decided to vote for you while trying to change some terms around to make it look like he wasn't really copying Saki.

So, yeah. Would anyone else at all like to chip in to the discussion
Royston
Hi, I can

Well, I actually didn't notice Saki's post, though I understand if you find it hard to believe.

It's lazy reasoning to be sure, but to be honest I'm not really getting much of a scummy feel from the content of anyone's posts. That's why I voted Caligno, because the distancing between him and rEdo was one of the few things I picked up on. I'm only like 20% sure Caligno is scum though

also pls respond to my earlier post Sakura. :]
Sakura

Royston wrote:

Sakura, if it turns out I'm not scum, who would you suspect?
There's your scumslip, why would you need to hypothetically think you wont flip scum?
Royston
I don't need to think that. As I said, I was trying to view things from your perspective. You don't know if I'm scum or not (unless you're scum yourself)
Sakura

Royston wrote:

You don't know if I'm scum or not (unless you're scum yourself)
How does this work with 1 scum dead?
Royston
Well, if you're scum, then you know everyone else is town and therefore not scum :)
Irreversible
Unvote

Let's stop this, Royston is rather town for now, because he's trying to get out of the scum thing but can't, because you keep pressuring him.

What about Dake btw? His posts are small, asking a question, because he doesn't know what to do, probably tries to 'look' active, but actually isn't really telling anything. Dake, you've said to Royston: "Why shouldn't I vote for you", also you've asked "are you scum", he replied 'no I'm town", so now, it doesn't look like you're really scumhunting, because you've just gave up your hints, and now you've changed your scum-thoughts. What were the causes of these sudden changes? And it's pretty cool that you've asked who we are thinking is scum, what would you have done if someone said you're scum? Because I think you are.

Vote: DakeDekaane
SeiinaAraki
unvote
vote: Royston

nice catch sakura
also for some reason it wont let me on ms >_>
Royston
pls no sheep Sakura
DakeDekaane

Irreversible wrote:

Unvote

Let's stop this, Royston is rather town for now, because he's trying to get out of the scum thing but can't, because you keep pressuring him.

What about Dake btw? His posts are small, asking a question, because he doesn't know what to do, probably tries to 'look' active, but actually isn't really telling anything. Dake, you've said to Royston: "Why shouldn't I vote for you", also you've asked "are you scum", he replied 'no I'm town", so now, it doesn't look like you're really scumhunting, because you've just gave up your hints, and now you've changed your scum-thoughts. What were the causes of these sudden changes? And it's pretty cool that you've asked who we are thinking is scum, what would you have done if someone said you're scum? Because I think you are.

Vote: DakeDekaane
My main scum suspects haven't changed since D1. rEdo was lynched, Royston acted quite scummy in D2, and you're still a scum suspect for me, but I didn't get something that makes me clear who of you or who else can be scum. I don't get why you vote me, are you merely basing in activity, that's a wrong way to find scum. What did change your mind about Royston, earlier and in D1 you even voted him, why the change?

aaaaaaand it seems like Saki wants to buddy Sakura ;)
Royston
Seriously though Sena, do you have your own reasons for voting me? Or are you just following Sakura?
SeiinaAraki
scumslips lul
Royston
but it wasn't a scumslip
Amianki
Calling that a scumslip is weak at best. Saki's sheep is even worse.
Sakura

CalignoBot wrote:

Calling that a scumslip is weak at best. Saki's sheep is even worse.
Hey, Regfan found scum by that in a game I was at.
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