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Echo
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edit: thanks strager
Onto SFG's post...

SFG wrote:

If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.

SFG wrote:

Echo: explain why you spent so much time pointing out strager's claim if the claim appears to have been invisible to nearly everyone else and you specifically did not want it to have happened.
Obviously, I don't want the identity of the doctor leaked. I actually did expect strager to deny doctor but instead he said he didn't mean to leak his role. However, theoretically speaking the real doctor has nothing to gain by repeated affirming the fact that he was doctor since he can't protect himself, making revealing his role a really stupid thing to do, which is what makes me extremely suspicious of him.

The main reason for hammering strager, however, is because of the exchange which I've condensed into the first quote in my last post.

edit2: NOTE: this is not exactly an attack against strager, but I'm just explaining to SFG my thought processes. I don't expect you (strager) to reply to this, although you're completely free to.
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Echo wrote:

SFG wrote:

If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.

and once again Echo can come up with more devious strategies than i could in my normal mind imagine. Echo is way too pro for this.

._. hopefully he won't die on Day 1 this time cus last time i tried leading the town against the mafia in his stead we all died lol. Although i still hold my vote b/c don't want to risk lynching the doctor if he is real. I'm also really hoping im right to trust Echo here...
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Saturos-fangirl wrote:

Echo wrote:

SFG wrote:

If i assume he's mafia, he would be trying to kill strager because strager "claimed" doctor.
Wrong - if I was mafia, then, as you noted, I was the only person who suggested he accidentally leaked the fact that he was doctor. In which case, I would not bring it up, kill him at night, and leave the whole town wondering why the mafia killed him the next day.

and once again Echo can come up with more devious strategies than i could in my normal mind imagine. Echo is way too pro for this.
You're right. You may have been deceived right there.
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Echo wrote:

I asked the same question again in this post to which you requoted the same thing. I don't see how it's out of context.
Oops; when I read that I thought you were quoting your entire post, not part of it.
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I was quoting the whole post, which you admit applying your reply to. You refused to answer/comment on my statements/questions, one of which was the conversation in the quoted text. Since it applied to all my questions/statements, I don't think it's out of context?
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So uh...Why am I being voted if you want to lynch Echo or strager?
Can I have some follow up points on how I'm suspicious?
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Ugh. I kept getting distracted by other things. >_<

But for now, I at least want to do this. (forgot to yesterday)

Unvote Echo.
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Echo wrote:

I was quoting the whole post, which you admit applying your reply to. You refused to answer/comment on my statements/questions, one of which was the conversation in the quoted text. Since it applied to all my questions/statements, I don't think it's out of context?
Okay, I made a mistake in my last post.

When you wrote this post (link) I thought you had quoted this post (link), which what I originally refused to answer in this post (link). I don't think I even saw this post (link), so I gues I'll reply here:

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

dammit WHY do the doctors always need to expose themselves on the first day?
D= I didn't mean to.
Firstly, strager never claimed doctor. He just went with what I said. The real doctor would have tried to cover it up. strager, on the other hand, admitted it straight away.
I would only try to cover it up to prevent myself from being killed by the Mafia during the Night. If I do that I may be suspect of being a Mafia by the town, because I am trying to cover up things I have said. Then again, keeping open about me being a Doctor also makes me a Mafia suspect because I'd be using it as a way to point votes away from me.

Again, claiming was a mistake, but the damage has been done.

Echo wrote:

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

I meant to say I wasn't convinced by someone else. Sorry.
So you admit that you convinced yourself adam is townie? My point still stands - you can't convince yourself someone is townie when they haven't made a single proper post unless you already know they're townie.
Secondly, he admitted to convincing himself adam is townie without adam making any real posts. Plus, he completely ignored this accusation in his last post.
I think we've already gone over this. (If not I am mistaken.)

Echo wrote:

0_o wrote:

And how exactly does mentioning the cop imply that he's claiming cop??
The cop role shouldn't be on your mind, since he's useless until after the first night. Therefore, mentioning it is a tad suspicious. Why would strager be thinking about the cop, then?
I can't find my post but I'm pretty fucking sure I wrote a post answering this question.

Oh here it is, I think (link).
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adam2046 wrote:

So uh...Why am I being voted if you want to lynch Echo or strager?
Can I have some follow up points on how I'm suspicious?

youre not, youre being voted on because i DON'T want to lynch Echo or strager. tbh its as close to a random vote as it gets, but a couple of people pointed fingers at you and that was the closest to a lead i got so yeah.
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OMG I think I lost track of the voting situation -.-' May anyone post the list of the votes made up to now? I read the discussion but I don't want to make a vote without knowing the situation
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LadySuburu wrote:

Votecount 3:

strager - 2 (adam, nardi)
adam - 2 (0_o, SFG)
Echo - 1 (strager)
SFG - 1 (BagelBob)




Not voting: 3 - (Olinad, Echo, Derekku)
thx, brb
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Echo wrote:

tbh if strager had said something like "I'm just curious to know about the rules around the doctor and how protection works" I wouldn't have had anything to go on, since that would only lead to WIFOM thinking.
Well, I don't ask questions like that, really. I try to be a little more specific in my questions than "how does the Doctor work exactly?" If I had asked the question you suggest I would probably get an answer similar to what the PM states and not what I wanted to know. But you're right, the "claim" wouldn't be discovered and maybe I would have been better protected (because I don't have to worry about the Mafia trying to kill me because they don't know I am the doctor).

Olinard, are you back yet? It's been more than two hours since you said "brb." ;P

EDIT: Echo, what is WIFOM thinking? xD Sounds like "superhypothetical" thinking.
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http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ront_Of_Me

I thought I'd linked that before :/

Basically it's what you do in your early posts.

"if adam was mafia then [something] BUT if adam is townie then [something] which means he must be mafia if he did it but then that makes him townie because he's smart enough to know it makes him look townie, which means he's actualy mafia, which makes him townie, which makes him mafia etc."
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strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

tbh if strager had said something like "I'm just curious to know about the rules around the doctor and how protection works" I wouldn't have had anything to go on, since that would only lead to WIFOM thinking.
Well, I don't ask questions like that, really. I try to be a little more specific in my questions than "how does the Doctor work exactly?" If I had asked the question you suggest I would probably get an answer similar to what the PM states and not what I wanted to know. But you're right, the "claim" wouldn't be discovered and maybe I would have been better protected (because I don't have to worry about the Mafia trying to kill me because they don't know I am the doctor).

Olinard, are you back yet? It's been more than two hours since you said "brb." ;P

EDIT: Echo, what is WIFOM thinking? xD Sounds like "superhypothetical" thinking.
lol UR right, but I was busy XD

I really dunno who to vote... mmh...
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Echo wrote:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me

I thought I'd linked that before :/

Basically it's what you do in your early posts.

"if adam was mafia then [something] BUT if adam is townie then [something] which means he must be mafia if he did it but then that makes him townie because he's smart enough to know it makes him look townie, which means he's actualy mafia, which makes him townie, which makes him mafia etc."
By "you" you mean the not me "you"?

And thanks.

/me stabs Olinad into voting.
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By "you" I mean the second person pronoun (ie. you, strager), and not the generic "you"
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Echo wrote:

By "you" I mean the second person pronoun (ie. you, strager), and not the generic "you"
Article says:

Article wrote:

In Mafia, WIFOM arguments are often a Scum tactic used to distract the Town.
No wonder you were super-suspicious of me. =S However that paragraph talks about after a Night kill so I'm not sure if that really is your reason or if you just don't like my choices about adam.

Then again I pointed out some circular reasoning in your own argument and you didn't comment on it.
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...Why aren't you voting yourself then SFG?
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adam2046 wrote:

...Why aren't you voting yourself then SFG?
Or just leave a no-vote?

You don't have to vote do you?
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So you do want to get me lynched?
You are still mad at me.
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adam2046 wrote:

So you do want to get me lynched?
You are still mad at me.
Yeah, SFG seems to be doing more than random voting here.
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Don't you try and allay (^_~) suspicion from yourself by pointing out her.
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adam2046 wrote:

I wont be arounf for a little while, if anyone wants to lynch poor little defensless me (SFG) please don't.
You'll make me cryyyyyy T.T

adam2046 wrote:

Don't you try and allay (^_~) suspicion from yourself by pointing out her.
wat
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well i suppose i am a bit suspicious because when you were mafia last game i couldnt tell that you were at ALL. i think it might have been nardi that pointed a FOS at adam or maybe the FOS wa-oh fuck it let me go find the post

yeah 0_o pointed a FOS at adam and nardi and i chose adam.

also im lol'ing about how you guys are trying to pick apart logic that doesn't exist @_@ also im sick of vote-hopping which is why i havent changed it
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Hey, I'm not the one claiming doctor.
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were you not listening when i said that the reason i dont want strager lynched is that B/C HE CLAIMED DOCTOR i dont want to risk lynching an aux on day 1
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That was @ strager not you, you ninja'd me.
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adam2046 wrote:

Hey, I'm not the one claiming doctor.

adam2046 wrote:

Don't you try and allay (^_~) suspicion from yourself by pointing out her.
wat

EDIT: Ignore this (see adam's last post =X).
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I don't get it...
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