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tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
So i read this thread and decide to d/l LoL, just to see what the hubbub is about. Sounds pretty fun. Downloaded/updated in half an hour, rearing to go, launch the game... 3 hour queue. The only condolence i get is a flimsy meme reference 'Your position in queue: Over 9000' - ha ha bloody ha. Go on forums - people complaining about having to take LoL as a full time job just to keep up with champion releases. Many 'RP boycott' threads.

Guys i'm not liking the sound of this so far. -.-

Question: Are there such queues on NA server?
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
yes, there are queues on the north american server

the only reason the price of champions is even an issue is because the game designs itself around competition, and you are at a more severe disadvantage for every champion you don't own
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
K so need tips... played a few games coop vs. ai, bought 2 runes, got like 700ip left over: should i buy one of the cheaper champions, or stick with the beginner selection until i can afford a better one?

BTW yes, this means i did eventually get through the queue. *party*
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll

tyrael6192 wrote:

K so need tips... played a few games coop vs. ai, bought 2 runes, got like 700ip left over: should i buy one of the cheaper champions, or stick with the beginner selection until i can afford a better one?

BTW yes, this means i did eventually get through the queue. *party*
Since you're new, I'd recommend trying out heroes from each free week (they automatically show up in your hero selection screen and the selection rotates every week) and seeing who you like. I've made a few buys that I've regretted because I only read the champ's skill set and thought that I would have liked playing them, but once I actually bought them and tried them out, realized that I thought they were boring as hell. Have never played them since and pretty much wasted the IP when I could have bought someone nicer.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
So, try before you buy. Got it.

Is it the case that you can only have one person playing each hero in a team? So, no team has two of the same heroes?
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll

tyrael6192 wrote:

So, try before you buy. Got it.

Is it the case that you can only have one person playing each hero in a team? So, no team has two of the same heroes?
For most normal modes, yes. :)
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
Don't buy runes till you at least reach level 20 summoner, it's just a waste to use lower tier runes
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll

Randy96 wrote:

Don't buy runes till you at least reach level 20 summoner, it's just a waste to use lower tier runes
This, but it's still nice to get accustomed to the rune page and know what you can and can't do.

As for me, I usually main certain types of champs, so my rune page is mostly all for that type of hero.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
K guys new problem... I'm not getting any kills. >=O

I've been using Sivir, running round in my lane doing stuff. See, here's my problem; i often get most assists and buildings destroyed, but i can never actually nail a kill. I don't understand. xD
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll
XD Last hit your enemy to get the kill.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
I know that. -.-

It's just that whenever i go into one-on-one combat without backup i tend to get raped.

Or i do something stupid like attack a champion next to a turret. -.-
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll
Yeah, knowing who you can go 1v1 against takes a bit of time to get used to.

Haha and yeah, fighting under an enemy tower definitely is not a good idea unless you know you can kill under it and escape without dying. Each turret hit deals 2 bars of damage (200 health), so judge accordingly if you are going to actually do something like that. XD
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
Well, i've got a few more days of playing during which i can blame all my failures on me being a beginner. After that, either i start getting better or i don't and i start stabbing myself and quit. =D

Also, with Youumuu's Ghost Blade (not sure of spelling, can't remember it), is it a homage to Touhou/something else or vice versa?
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll

tyrael6192 wrote:

Well, i've got a few more days of playing during which i can blame all my failures on me being a beginner. After that, either i start getting better or i don't and i start stabbing myself and quit. =D

Also, with Youumuu's Ghost Blade (not sure of spelling, can't remember it), is it a homage to Touhou/something else or vice versa?
A lot of people on games like League of Legends are still beginners (or making very beginner mistakes) even if they have been playing for months. XD

And yeah, a lot of items in LoL's shop are references to other games. You are correct about Youmuu's Ghostblade. :D
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
Really? I would have imagined that many people play LoL and other such games because they've converted from DotA and consequently have an intrinsic knowledge of the game mechanics.

In any case, i guess i'll take it as it comes. What i have now is 1.) don't buy champs until you've played with them and know what's fun and what's not and 2.) don't waste ip on runes before lvl 20 summoner.

And 3.) don't attack champs under enemy towers. -.-

Tomorrow morning = LoL marathon. Wake up at 5 to start queuing... go back to sleep for 4 hours... wake up at 9 and play. =D
Xiao_old
292 posts
Joined July 2008
Xiao_old

tyrael6192 wrote:

Really? I would have imagined that many people play LoL and other such games because they've converted from DotA and consequently have an intrinsic knowledge of the game mechanics.
LoL is incredibly different from DotA and HoN. I don't know how many DotA players I showed LoL to, only to have them flip it off and move to HoN.
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll

tyrael6192 wrote:

Really? I would have imagined that many people play LoL and other such games because they've converted from DotA and consequently have an intrinsic knowledge of the game mechanics.
XD DotA players are much more likely to have higher stats than you and will be queued with others who have similar stats since they already understand the game mechanics.

I used to play some HoN back when it was in beta but stopped when it went retail and cost $30 for an account. I only play LoL off and on now on nights when I feel like dealing with the community. Haha if you were on US servers, I would be up for playing a game or two with you, but I see you're on EU. XD Best of luck to you, lol.

@Xi: IMO, I think DotA would be top tier in terms of difficulty, while HoN is a step below, leaving LoL on the bottom. LoL certainly is very casual in comparison to DotA and HoN. It's much more fast paced and you don't have to worry about denying towers or creeps or other teammates and you don't have to buy an item in order to recall back to your base. lol
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tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
Very surprising - to me at least. Then again, i don't know much about DotA, i just assumed based on the moba genre.

@neko Thank you :3

As for the matchups, i was just worried that there'd be SO MANY PRO PEOPLE that even the worst would be awesome in comparison.

Btw, "lol" - i c wat u did thar.
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
Sivir is definitely not a great choice for killing champs at the moment, she's in need of serious buffs and is only really good for pushing at the moment
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
you can only afford to buy 1 champion, really

the rest of your ip has to be saved up for when you hit level 20 to buy tier 3 runes, otherwise you'll be at a pretty big disadvantage
Fabi
1,130 posts
Joined September 2009
Fabi
Yeah, each game (if you win) gives you around 90 to 110 PI. Derp champions 6.300 PI :/



Ranked one, I tought we were going to loose (derp 4 carrier).

You guys, prefer to buy runes instead of champions?. I haven't bought runes yet, I just want to own all the champions >_<.
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
Playing as Annie, i tend to lag behind somewhat early game in terms of levelling (don't know why), but get a lot more kills because of huge burst potential. And she's just sooooooooo cuuuute :3
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
Boots of Lucidity + Evil Tome is so overpowered

cost nothing and 35% CDR weyththnaerfs



and I am so slow
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
Why do you have 6 BF swords
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
cause that's the winning build!

just've realised how OP is Soraka

my new main
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
I have always thought soraka sucked and still do. She sucks for the same reason morgana sucks: high cooldowns, useless afterwards. What's worse is that soraka actually provides less support than morgana, and substantially less damage. Soraka is just an aura bot basically.

I guess some people just weigh her health/mana restoration early game heavily.
Gabi
2,554 posts
Joined December 2008
Gabi
This is why you are still at 1100 ELO
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96

Gabi wrote:

This is why you are still at 1100 ELO
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
no I'm at 1412 elo cause I only recently started playing ranked

showed you
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
"recently started playing ranked" means you gains buttloads of ELO on your first few games

I can't even begin to tell you why Soraka is anything but useless, like there's pretty much nothing wrong with being an aura bots, auras are insane stuff
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
so first I'm 1100 for calling them an aura bot and now you agree that they are an aura bot
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
@2 that made me lol quite a lot
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
No, you were called 1100 for the other reasons you stated
yeahyeahyeahhh
osu! Alumni
2,850 posts
Joined December 2008
yeahyeahyeahhh
I think Two might just be as bad as Decay at LoL
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass
decay es bad en brasil alway feed nerve carry
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
If you have a good Morde on your team and you're losing, tell your team to make sure that if they're going to die; die to the AD carry lol
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
3,963 posts
Joined April 2009
Ephemeral

Two wrote:

no I'm at 1412 elo cause I only recently started playing ranked

showed you
i'm at 939 elo but got a quadra kill and a penta kill within my first three games of ranked

elo dont mean shit in solo son. you can carry until the cows come home but if your init/tank is shit, you're done
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
solo queue sucks anyway
Colin Hou
osu! Alumni
4,456 posts
Joined November 2009
Colin Hou
<--------- only Lv. 28 Orz.

and I'm at CN/ChinaTel-1 T^T
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Ephemeral wrote:

elo dont mean shit in solo son. you can carry until the cows come home but if your init/tank is shit, you're done
gj not understanding what you were replying to but, for the sake of argument, yes low elo does mean you are a bad player
Hiyorin
184 posts
Joined September 2010
Hiyorin
SPOILER

lol
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass
3rd day in a row the NA server goes down for jackshit. Riot es best
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96

Two wrote:

Ephemeral wrote:

elo dont mean shit in solo son. you can carry until the cows come home but if your init/tank is shit, you're done
gj not understanding what you were replying to but, for the sake of argument, yes low elo does mean you are a bad player
not in solo queue
Fabi
1,130 posts
Joined September 2009
Fabi
At EU, there is always queue to enter to the server. Im always waiting for 1 hour just to enter ;__;
ElxBeta
423 posts
Joined February 2009
ElxBeta
This is when EU server is about to explode.

Thank you for you great service Riot.
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
lol both US and EU servers gg
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass
1 hour 30 minutes queue on EU, fuck this.
ElxBeta
423 posts
Joined February 2009
ElxBeta
NA server is up.

inb4 1 hour queque

Edit: Awesome, games are screwed up again. I heard that all of this is happening because of the division of the EU server. Sucks huh?
Fabi
1,130 posts
Joined September 2009
Fabi
Playing at USA server while EU maintenance is done :P. Didnt know, switching just take few minutes.

On a side note: Bugs everywhere, constant technical issues, aaaaah - _-
f e a r
317 posts
Joined March 2011
f e a r
Stoopid riot is stoopid :/ cant play akali if servers r down orz
Gabi
2,554 posts
Joined December 2008
Gabi
Server has split, will transfer to west ASAP, meanwhile enjoying 15 days of free IP boost 8-)
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
why is my nickname on EU (East?) taken by a guy who gets no AD for yi and stacks AP for Zilean :(
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
Ahah, awesome IP boost.

Anyways i've been playing the game some more (as Kassadin) and i'm starting to notice that, much of the time, our turrets and inhibitors start to get smashed BEFORE we can push on into their base and take their Nexus. I have this moment in the last 10 mins of the game that they're going to win, and then miraculously we start working as a team and push back.

My question is, does this often happen, or am i/other random solo queuers just bad at teamwork?

(suspect it might somewhat be the latter)
ElxBeta
423 posts
Joined February 2009
ElxBeta
It happens A LOT, at least in my case, I've won a lot of matches after almost surrendering and/or being defeated, an ace or an ambush can make the difference you know.
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
We were at mid
...
Ace!
Turret destroyed
Turret destroyed
Inhibitor destroyed
Turret destroyed
Inhibitor destroyed
Turret destroyed
Turret destroyed
VICTORY

True story
Fabi
1,130 posts
Joined September 2009
Fabi
Fucking glorious 404 PI *__*
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass
sing es #1 troll en brasil

and ya im smurfing with some newb frens huehue
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96
Smurfs kind of ruin the low level experience =/

Unless you give them advice while you own them then that justifies it
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass
nah I do it so my buddies can have an easier time against smurfs on opposing teams, and also because they won't be able to handle level 20s if I play on my lv30 lol

and that I like it when 5 people start chasing me and 2 of them end up dying...
f e a r
317 posts
Joined March 2011
f e a r

Glass wrote:

sing es #1 troll en brasil

and ya im smurfing with some newb frens huehue

SING ES NUMERO #1 L0lOlOLOLlOLolOL
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
2,024 posts
Joined January 2009
Topic Starter
Lybydose

Randy96 wrote:

Smurfs kind of ruin the low level experience =/

Unless you give them advice while you own them then that justifies it
nah, after a few games you get put on "smurf island" and every game is like 9/10 smurfs.
ElxBeta
423 posts
Joined February 2009
ElxBeta
SPOILER

I love Anivia.
Chuggles
22 posts
Joined January 2010
Chuggles
I spend too much time on this game....

Level 30, with all but 4 champions.. and 12386 takedowns :(

Started playing HoN though, as it is £6, so I thought it would be good, and if you like LoL, you'd like HoN. :P
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192
So i played some Twisted Treeline earlier today, and found it much easier than Summoner's - not just in terms of pushes being much easier. I got a lot more early game ganks (as Kassadin) than on Summoner's and got on with mah build much quicker.

inb4 coolstorybro.jpg

Side note: YAY no more login queues =D
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96

tyrael6192 wrote:

So i played some Twisted Treeline earlier today, and found it much easier than Summoner's - not just in terms of pushes being much easier. I got a lot more early game ganks (as Kassadin) than on Summoner's and got on with mah build much quicker.

inb4 coolstorybro.jpg

Side note: YAY no more login queues =D
coolstorybro.png

lol Twisted Treeline is more fun in my opinion too
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Chuggles wrote:

and if you like LoL, you'd like HoN. :P
no
Nekoroll
513 posts
Joined May 2010
Nekoroll

Two wrote:

Chuggles wrote:

and if you like LoL, you'd like HoN. :P
no
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
If you play too much Twisted Treeline you'll get cancer.


Which champion can jungle well without specific runes or even masteries? I always sucked at it, but wanna try again.
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
2,024 posts
Joined January 2009
Topic Starter
Lybydose
Xin Zhao, Warwick, Trundle, Nunu, probably Udyr

You really need at least 8 points in Utility for the exp mastery though.
Chuggles
22 posts
Joined January 2010
Chuggles

Two wrote:

Chuggles wrote:

and if you like LoL, you'd like HoN. :P
no
It's a bit more complicated but the basics are the same - ganking, farming, teamfights... it's a bit harder in that the items are a bit IMO, but it's got more champions, as is really fun :D
Randy96
1,112 posts
Joined August 2009
Randy96

Lybydose wrote:

Xin Zhao, Warwick, Trundle, Nunu, probably Udyr

You really need at least 8 points in Utility for the exp mastery though.
I dunno bout the others but Udyr jungle is horrible without runes
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Topic Starter
Lybydose

Randy96 wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

Xin Zhao, Warwick, Trundle, Nunu, probably Udyr

You really need at least 8 points in Utility for the exp mastery though.
I dunno bout the others but Udyr jungle is horrible without runes
actually no, it works just fine
Shiro
Global Moderator
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Shiro


Sorry, I had to post this.
Yes, I'm a noob.
Backstabber_old
75 posts
Joined March 2011
Backstabber_old
I wonder. What makes a person want NOT to play a map perfectionised over 6 years, and instead take an unbalanced new one?

Also, if you like fun you will like HoN. But HoN was really only good up too like 8-10 months ago. Now they have realized DotA 2 is on the way, and they are spewing out skins and heroes for people to buy. And that leads to no time for game and hero balancing.
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old

Backstabber wrote:

Also, if you like fun you will like HoN.
if I ever decide to become a comedian, I will first look to the internet for inspiration
Suzumiya-H
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Joined February 2011
Suzumiya-H
IGN: Suzumiya H
Server: North American Server

IGN: HaruhiSuzu
Server: Europe West

Add me up.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
"Let's reduce Annie's abilities damage while increasing her ratios, then reduce them both in the next patch!" fuck you, Riot :(
Suzumiya-H
9 posts
Joined February 2011
Suzumiya-H
Dude, they're nerfing corki, what the fuck :(
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller
well, Corki did need some
Two_old
620 posts
Joined March 2008
Two_old
everyone with a built in flash needs to be looked at imo
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Tshemmp
imo LoL does not require so much skill as DotA. You don't have to be good to be good. Ofcourse it has some comfortable functions which the 6 years older DotA does not have. But DotA 2 will solve this Problem.
Glass
1,522 posts
Joined January 2010
Glass
fuck yeah galio buffs
tyrael6192
706 posts
Joined October 2010
tyrael6192

Two wrote:

everyone with a built in flash needs to be looked at imo
Nowai. Leave Kassadin out of this.
Backstabber_old
75 posts
Joined March 2011
Backstabber_old

Tshemmp wrote:

imo LoL does not require so much skill as DotA. You don't have to be good to be good. Ofcourse it has some comfortable functions which the 6 years older DotA does not have. But DotA 2 will solve this Problem.
This. Cant wait for DotA 2. I have REALLY high hopes for it, and so does the competitive community. I believe valve have a really high pressure on this one, but again, that's what they're used to
Selee
1,556 posts
Joined February 2010
Selee

TKiller wrote:

If you play too much Twisted Treeline you'll get cancer.


Which champion can jungle well without specific runes or even masteries? I always sucked at it, but wanna try again.
Also Olaf ~

btw, I'm in North America server~ ID:Seleex

Feel free to PM me for games xD
Suzumiya-H
9 posts
Joined February 2011
Suzumiya-H

Tshemmp wrote:

imo LoL does not require so much skill as DotA. You don't have to be good to be good. Ofcourse it has some comfortable functions which the 6 years older DotA does not have. But DotA 2 will solve this Problem.

While it doesn't, it provides more "fun" factor, which is what ultimately is what a game should be. LoL is fun because you get to try out different things that you wouldn't dream of seeing in DotA.

As for built in flash, not really, imo what they should look at is the champions that are weak(heimer, veigar etc~ that not many ppl play) this will create diversity in picks which will ultimately benefit everyone.
Towjow
29 posts
Joined June 2010
Towjow
I wanna see my Poppy buffed :( iirc she hasnt been touched by Riot for ages. I still do well with her solo top, but a built in LS like Irelias W would be really nice .___.
TKiller
4,390 posts
Joined May 2009
TKiller

Suzumiya-H wrote:

Tshemmp wrote:

imo LoL does not require so much skill as DotA. You don't have to be good to be good. Ofcourse it has some comfortable functions which the 6 years older DotA does not have. But DotA 2 will solve this Problem.

While it doesn't, it provides more "fun" factor, which is what ultimately is what a game should be. LoL is fun because you get to try out different things that you wouldn't dream of seeing in DotA.

As for built in flash, not really, imo what they should look at is the champions that are weak(heimer, veigar etc~ that not many ppl play) this will create diversity in picks which will ultimately benefit everyone.
Heimer and Veigar (rofl) are not weak by a long shot. Veigar does rely on earlygame a lot tho, but well, who does not?
yeahyeahyeahhh
osu! Alumni
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yeahyeahyeahhh



Like a boss.
Towjow
29 posts
Joined June 2010
Towjow
Jarvan 83 cs, wtf. I guess this was low/mid elo?
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Topic Starter
Lybydose
you get tons of cs in the jungle
ElxBeta
423 posts
Joined February 2009
ElxBeta
SPOILER

KAYLE ES NUMERO ONE
Shiro
Global Moderator
4,984 posts
Joined May 2009
Shiro
Glad to see I'm not the only one who gets tons of deaths with Leona.
Towjow
29 posts
Joined June 2010
Towjow

Lybydose wrote:

you get tons of cs in the jungle
Strange, I've always seen jungle jarvans with wriggles and at least 150 cs.
yeahyeahyeahhh
osu! Alumni
2,850 posts
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yeahyeahyeahhh

Towjow wrote:

Lybydose wrote:

you get tons of cs in the jungle
Strange, I've always seen jungle jarvans with wriggles and at least 150 cs.
U can't get 150 CS when ur getting counter jungled 24/7

wait nm i rem, tryna was jungle. Jarv was bot vs Cait and Kog... have fun getting CS
Towjow
29 posts
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Towjow

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

[
U can't get 150 CS when ur getting counter jungled 24/7

wait nm i rem, tryna was jungle. Jarv was bot vs Cait and Kog... have fun getting CS
Oh yea, it's hard to get cs as non ranged bot :s If the enemies would have had a support to support jarvan, it might look bit different tho.
Suzumiya-H
9 posts
Joined February 2011
Suzumiya-H

TKiller wrote:

Suzumiya-H wrote:

While it doesn't, it provides more "fun" factor, which is what ultimately is what a game should be. LoL is fun because you get to try out different things that you wouldn't dream of seeing in DotA.

As for built in flash, not really, imo what they should look at is the champions that are weak(heimer, veigar etc~ that not many ppl play) this will create diversity in picks which will ultimately benefit everyone.
Heimer and Veigar (rofl) are not weak by a long shot. Veigar does rely on earlygame a lot tho, but well, who does not?
They are. Heimer provides nothing more than defences for towers when he can't even defend himself, he also deals mediocre damage for an "AP carry" and steals quite a lot of farm which could've been used for other things.

veigar admittedly is not weak, however, his escape mechanism is really low, and he only really deals good damage on mages, other than that unless he's really fed, veigar is undeniably weak. His laning phase is quite weak tbh.

In normal games, yes but in elo higher than 1300, they're considered as weak and I haven't seen any good veigars/heimer above it, tehy barely pick them
yeahyeahyeahhh
osu! Alumni
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yeahyeahyeahhh
I once went 18-6 vs Chaox in rank with Veigar IDK wut u talkin bout
f e a r
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Joined March 2011
f e a r
VEIGAROP LOL WUT U TALKING ABOUT
Towjow
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Joined June 2010
Towjow

yeahyeahyeahhh wrote:

I once went 18-6 vs Chaox in rank with Veigar IDK wut u talkin bout
How can you play ranked against Chaox when your elo is way below his? oO That's some real matchmaking there LOL.
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