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anaxii
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anaxii
Why is the English we learn at school so poor compared to what we see on the internet?

I swear I have the feeling that they're making us learn specific themes for each trimester instead of diversifying our vocabulary with videos or meetings with real English Speakers. Because of this, almost everyone in our degree will pass English but they won't speak a word of the language because all we did was study instead of learn.

School didn't help me learn English.
Stomiks
9,043 posts
Joined March 2021
Stomiks
The way I see it, english subjects (and other language subjects) often have a stuctured way of teaching the language to students. You learn the rules, grammar, etc. but you rarely have the chance to actually use it in daily conversations where the most common aspect is in learning. Because of this, you will often have to use sources outside what the school provided, such as interacting with fluent english speakers through the internet (like what you're doing right now), consuming english content, etc.

In the end, english is just a subject that they need you to pass in school, not actually use in real life. So I can see why there's few emphasis on it.
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Shacovian
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Joined June 2021
Shacovian
Languages are the kind of commitment that takes several hours a day for many years in order for you to become proficient. That level of time investment is usually far more than can be offered in a classroom (barring say an intense language course for example). As such, I think language instructors have to be somewhat strategic in what they teach.

I'm currently training to become an English language tutor, a lot of what we are told to teach is either basic grammatical points or working on the 4 main skills (Reading, Writing, Speaking and Listening). While I haven't got a lot of classroom experience yet, it feels like our job is to have more of a supplementary role. Show the students the rules but then let them figure out where they apply.
anaxii
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anaxii

Stomiks wrote:

In the end, english is just a subject that they need you to pass in school, not actually use in real life. So I can see why there's few emphasis on it.
So a non-English speaker must study English to succeed at school but they don't have to use the vocabulary they've "learned" in real life?

Shacovian wrote:

I'm currently training to become an English language tutor, a lot of what we are told to teach is either basic grammatical points or working on the 4 main skills (Reading, Writing, Speaking and Listening). While I haven't got a lot of classroom experience yet, it feels like our job is to have more of a supplementary role. Show the students the rules but then let them figure out where they apply.
Oh hey it looks interesting man, I hope you succeed in this profession! Btw what you said is quite true.
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Shacovian
99 posts
Joined June 2021
Shacovian

Shacovian wrote:

I'm currently training to become an English language tutor, a lot of what we are told to teach is either basic grammatical points or working on the 4 main skills (Reading, Writing, Speaking and Listening). While I haven't got a lot of classroom experience yet, it feels like our job is to have more of a supplementary role. Show the students the rules but then let them figure out where they apply.

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Oh hey it looks interesting man, I hope you succeed in this profession! Btw wat you said is quite true.
What do you think your teachers could've done to better help you when you were learning English?
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anaxii
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Joined December 2022
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anaxii

Shacovian wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Shacovian wrote:

I'm currently training to become an English language tutor, a lot of what we are told to teach is either basic grammatical points or working on the 4 main skills (Reading, Writing, Speaking and Listening). While I haven't got a lot of classroom experience yet, it feels like our job is to have more of a supplementary role. Show the students the rules but then let them figure out where they apply.
Oh hey it looks interesting man, I hope you succeed in this profession! Btw what you said is quite true.
What do you think your teachers could've done to better help you when you were learning English?
That's what I said above: "diversifying our vocabulary with videos or meetings with real English Speakers"

FUNFACT: We almost had a meeting with children from California today but it was cancelled... because the teacher was ill
Reyalp51
962 posts
Joined April 2021
Reyalp51
In my school we had guys from the US that came to our class once a week and we practiced with them, i think its a good idea
WitherMite
1,598 posts
Joined August 2019
WitherMite
reminded of my spanish class that barely got anywhere.

doubt most english lessons are that bad though, it was only a quarter long in 6th grade.
Stomiks
9,043 posts
Joined March 2021
Stomiks

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

In the end, english is just a subject that they need you to pass in school, not actually use in real life. So I can see why there's few emphasis on it.
So a non-English speaker must study English to succeed at school but they don't have to use the vocabulary they've "learned" in real life?
They can if they want to though. In the end, it's ultimately your decision if you want to pursue to continue using the language or not.
anaxii
15,000 posts
Joined December 2022
Topic Starter
anaxii

Stomiks wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Stomiks wrote:

In the end, english is just a subject that they need you to pass in school, not actually use in real life. So I can see why there's few emphasis on it.
So a non-English speaker must study English to succeed at school but they don't have to use the vocabulary they've "learned" in real life?
They can if they want to though. In the end, it's ultimately your decision if you want to pursue to continue using the language or not.
Hmmm yeah you're right you're right
Nikolai
568 posts
Joined December 2014
Nikolai

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Why is the English we learn at school so poor compared to what we see on the internet?

I swear I have the feeling that they're making us learn specific themes for each trimester instead of diversifying our vocabulary with videos or meetings with real English Speakers. Because of this, almost everyone in our degree will pass English but they won't speak a word of the language because all we did was study instead of learn.

School didn't help me learn English.
skill issue
Corne2Plum3
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1,766 posts
Joined November 2019
Corne2Plum3
In France, I would say because the way we teach english just sucks
Nuuskamuikkunen
1,246 posts
Joined March 2013
Nuuskamuikkunen
As someone that has precisely been majoring that in university. I would say that it's either unprepared teachers or curricula being too reluctant to change content. I mean, there have been a huge advancements in language teaching beyond just grammar structures, translations and word lists, yet the classes seem to be stuck in the 50s, with teacher-centered learning instead of student-centered learning.
MrMcMikey22
1,741 posts
Joined January 2021
MrMcMikey22
Bruh I literally suck at german, but I'm very good at english wdym nvm it's school...

(yeah frick school ._.)

(school is NOT for OT peppys like me >_<)
Kyzoa
17 posts
Joined August 2021
Kyzoa
The english taught in courses i'm pretty sure is a lot more formal than what would really be used in the real world casually.
Nuuskamuikkunen
1,246 posts
Joined March 2013
Nuuskamuikkunen

Kyzoa wrote:

The english taught in courses i'm pretty sure is a lot more formal than what would really be used in the real world casually.
That happens because formal language doesn't vary much across regions and time, also because many people go through formal institutes because they want to learn a language for formal purposes.
second_wave
194 posts
Joined May 2009
second_wave
English teaching techniques are super bad, that`s it
anaxii
15,000 posts
Joined December 2022
Topic Starter
anaxii

second_wave wrote:

English teaching techniques are super bad, that`s it
Factual
Stomiks
9,043 posts
Joined March 2021
Stomiks

second_wave wrote:

English teaching techniques are super bad, that`s it
That probably depends on who's teaching you. I had a great english teacher so it was easy for me to understand the language.
Laskerf
102 posts
Joined March 2021
Laskerf
I've also had to study German and French in school and I can assure you English is taught way more effectively than those
Kinmiri
184 posts
Joined April 2021
Kinmiri
i dont think english is hard to an average russian, just that its forced in schools and making more people not enjoy learning it
which is exactly what language learning is supposed to be no?

like 90% of russian people i met learned english though internet, i dont blame them because i did the same
Aireunaeus
3,072 posts
Joined December 2021
Aireunaeus
Learning English in school is in my opinion fried. I do like my english teacher. she's nice and stuff but most of the lessons she teaches, were these words i already know how to utilize them. but I do agree, that I'm not always perfect on english.
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worst eu player
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Joined December 2015
worst eu player
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Stomiks
9,043 posts
Joined March 2021
Stomiks

K4N44 wrote:

𝐈 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐞𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐡 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐆𝐚𝐦𝐞𝐬, 𝐀𝐧𝐢𝐦𝐞 / 𝐌𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐚.
Bruh that would've made sense if you learned japanese but I suppose english translations would be it lmao. And yeah most english acquisition came from immersing myself in english too.
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