I would absolutely flame gen 8 as a whole
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making a significant contribution to the lore will give you a one-way ticket to denizenship
I think I understood
: )
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https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
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But this is OT after all...
this guy would 100% become a denizen then go away like an absent father
I lost about 4.5% of my braincells now.
Congrats on wasting your life here, we're proud
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Manishh is the best denzin
Source: just trust me bro
Source: just trust me bro
-Remi is the best non denizen
Felixland is the best American non denizen.
@MFGSTC you gonna let this guy one up you?Felixland wrote:
Felixland is the best American non denizen.
Cerno’s the best asian denizen, now kneel before ur Chink Lord
yeah sure let him have it if he wants the ego boost lawlStomiks wrote:
@MFGSTC you gonna let this guy one up you?Felixland wrote:
Felixland is the best American non denizen.
@dpeace you gonna let this guy one up you?Cerno wrote:
Cerno’s the best asian denizen, now kneel before ur Chink Lord
LMAOMFGSTC wrote:
yeah sure let him have it if he wants the ego boost lawlStomiks wrote:
@MFGSTC you gonna let this guy one up you?Felixland wrote:
Felixland is the best American non denizen.
JustABeginner is the bestest, period.Cerno wrote:
Cerno’s the best asian denizen, now kneel before ur Chink Lord
so trueeblf2013 wrote:
JustABeginner is the bestest, period.Cerno wrote:
Cerno’s the best asian denizen, now kneel before ur Chink Lord
nah busting out the jab card is cheatingeblf2013 wrote:
JustABeginner is the bestest, period.Cerno wrote:
Cerno’s the best asian denizen, now kneel before ur Chink Lord
You can't argue with me since I am the only indian denzin
Topic Starter
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
But everyone still gaeeeeabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
yes now cmere and lick me toesScyla wrote:
But everyone still gaeeeeabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
How lewd do i lickMFGSTC wrote:
yes now cmere and lick me toesScyla wrote:
But everyone still gaeeeeabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
as if u were gonna cream ur panties no homoScyla wrote:
How lewd do i lickMFGSTC wrote:
yes now cmere and lick me toesScyla wrote:
But everyone still gaeeeeabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
RawrMFGSTC wrote:
as if u were gonna cream ur panties no homoScyla wrote:
How lewd do i lickMFGSTC wrote:
yes now cmere and lick me toesScyla wrote:
But everyone still gaeeeeabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
XDScyla wrote:
RawrMFGSTC wrote:
as if u were gonna cream ur panties no homoScyla wrote:
How lewd do i lickMFGSTC wrote:
yes now cmere and lick me toesScyla wrote:
But everyone still gaeeeeabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
Average conversation on OT
cant understand pls explainabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
unfortunatelyghoulybits wrote:
Average conversation on OT
ot has a lorePolyspora wrote:
cant understand pls explainabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
making a significant contribution to the lore will give you a one-way ticket to denizenship
not this part, this one:z0z wrote:
ot has a lorePolyspora wrote:
cant understand pls explainabraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship. How does nobody figure this out?
abraker wrote:
Anyone who furthers the lore without me directing someone to make the threads is automatically due for denizenship
OT Lore is confusing so I fill it up with memes and goofs
z0z wrote:
i made an edit to the above post
I think I understood
I think Poly is definitely next in line for Denizenship.
the padoru thing was made with abraker (a decent amount of thought went on it tbh) so I think I fail the "without me directing someone to make", but you definitely will join the 9th soon, your padoru posts were actually fire-Remi wrote:
I think Poly is definitely next in line for Denizenship.
We will join Gen 9 together my brotherPolyspora wrote:
the padoru thing was made with abraker (a decent amount of thought went on it tbh) so I think I fail the "without me directing someone to make", but you definitely will join the 9th soon, your padoru posts were actually fire-Remi wrote:
I think Poly is definitely next in line for Denizenship.
No,-Remi wrote:
We will join Gen 9 together my brotherPolyspora wrote:
the padoru thing was made with abraker (a decent amount of thought went on it tbh) so I think I fail the "without me directing someone to make", but you definitely will join the 9th soon, your padoru posts were actually fire-Remi wrote:
I think Poly is definitely next in line for Denizenship.
I've still got six more months to wait, and it'll probably be on gen 10 by then. Besides, I haven't made any cool threads or whatever.
wym remi gen 9 materialManishh wrote:
No,-Remi wrote:
We will join Gen 9 together my brotherPolyspora wrote:
the padoru thing was made with abraker (a decent amount of thought went on it tbh) so I think I fail the "without me directing someone to make", but you definitely will join the 9th soon, your padoru posts were actually fire-Remi wrote:
I think Poly is definitely next in line for Denizenship.
Speaking of all this 9th gen talk, I wonder who'll be the next denizen? Or what theme 9th gen will be at least.
MeStomiks wrote:
Speaking of all this 9th gen talk, I wonder who'll be the next denizen? Or what theme 9th gen will be at least.
9th gen gonna be full of mischievous and annoying goofballs like me, scyla, and remiStomiks wrote:
Speaking of all this 9th gen talk, I wonder who'll be the next denizen? Or what theme 9th gen will be at least.
: )
I'll just wait later to make my *important* thread. I still have a lot of time left.Felixland wrote:
I've still got six more months to wait, and it'll probably be on gen 10 by then. Besides, I haven't made any cool threads or whatever.
theres no expiry date lol just make it whenever you want and good luck!Felixland wrote:
I'll just wait later to make my *important* thread. I still have a lot of time left.Felixland wrote:
I've still got six more months to wait, and it'll probably be on gen 10 by then. Besides, I haven't made any cool threads or whatever.
it's less about actually making a super good thread and more about your reputation
Oh noPatatitta wrote:
it's less about actually making a super good thread and more about your reputation
Gay Goofball Generation LFG!MFGSTC wrote:
9th gen gonna be full of mischievous and annoying goofballs like me, scyla, and remiStomiks wrote:
Speaking of all this 9th gen talk, I wonder who'll be the next denizen? Or what theme 9th gen will be at least.
: )
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
but... that was the last generationFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
No, they're talking about the current generation.Polyspora wrote:
but... that was the last generationFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
yeah but 8th gen also have this fameFelixland wrote:
No, they're talking about the current generation.Polyspora wrote:
but... that was the last generationFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
I'm getting some Rhthym32 vibes from you nowFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
Oh noStomiks wrote:
I'm getting some Rhthym32 vibes from you nowFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomStomiks wrote:
I'm getting some Rhthym32 vibes from you nowFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
I'm guessing that's not a good thing.Karmine wrote:
Oh noStomiks wrote:
I'm getting some Rhthym32 vibes from you nowFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
he staned being a denizenPolyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomStomiks wrote:
I'm getting some Rhthym32 vibes from you nowFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
Pro tip to newfags: Feel the urge to comment about "oh boy I can't wait to be a denizen hahaha can't wait to see what gen I'm in hahaha man when am I going to be denizen hahaha"? Don't. Just resist it.
I dont think anyone from this generation is like thatghoulybits wrote:
Pro tip to newfags: Feel the urge to comment about "oh boy I can't wait to be a denizen hahaha can't wait to see what gen I'm in hahaha man when am I going to be denizen hahaha"? Don't. Just resist it.
oh boy I can't wait to be a denizen hahaha can't wait to see what gen I'm in hahaha man when am I going to be denizen hahaha
whos that im curiousStomiks wrote:
I'm getting some Rhthym32 vibes from you nowFelixland wrote:
I might be apart of the "Gay Goofball Generation" despite being straight. Funny how it works.
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a random
This is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
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jesus fucking christ that kid needs therapy its just a forum title and he treats it as if he doesnt get denizen he will dieStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
I never realized that some people can devote their entire soul to a single forumKaaruumii wrote:
jesus fucking christ that kid needs therapy its just a forum title and he treats it as if he doesnt get denizen he will dieStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
But this is OT after all...
What the fuck.Stomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
what people wont do for attentionKaaruumii wrote:
jesus fucking christ that kid needs therapy its just a forum title and he treats it as if he doesnt get denizen he will dieStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
this guy would 100% become a denizen then go away like an absent father
I really did not like this guyStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
if i remember without seeing these thread links above, Rhythm32 was a fan of ShinRun and Joon Yorigami
back in the day you had to be cool to be denizen
oh wait I actually remember this guyStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
People do that on every social media tbh, it's sad afB0ii wrote:
I never realized that some people can devote their entire soul to a single forumKaaruumii wrote:
jesus fucking christ that kid needs therapy its just a forum title and he treats it as if he doesnt get denizen he will dieStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
But this is OT after all...
People are willing to do life threatening stuff fir followers/subscribers.Karmine wrote:
People do that on every social media tbh, it's sad afB0ii wrote:
I never realized that some people can devote their entire soul to a single forumKaaruumii wrote:
jesus fucking christ that kid needs therapy its just a forum title and he treats it as if he doesnt get denizen he will dieStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
But this is OT after all...
guys if i reach 1000 followers i will throw lucario off of the grand canyon! (NOT CLICKBAIT) (GONE WRONG) (WRONG CANYON)Felixland wrote:
People are willing to do life threatening stuff fir followers/subscribers.Karmine wrote:
People do that on every social media tbh, it's sad afB0ii wrote:
I never realized that some people can devote their entire soul to a single forumKaaruumii wrote:
jesus fucking christ that kid needs therapy its just a forum title and he treats it as if he doesnt get denizen he will dieStomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
But this is OT after all...
I guess that was when I was gone because I didn't remember that dude at all.Stomiks wrote:
Polyspora wrote:
what this guy did, I remember him just being a randomThis is what happens when you over-obsess over something that is so insignificant.Kaaruumii wrote:
whos that im curious
community/forums/topics/1534335?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1538016?n=1
community/forums/topics/1548871?n=1
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/1548163?n=1
community/forums/topics/1551740?n=1
I lost about 4.5% of my braincells now.
Topic Starter
NOTICE
As time marches on we find ourselves questioning what it means to become denizen. The OT Royal Society has first defined it in terms of activity. When that was then found insufficient by the OT!Government it was changed to time spent in this place. While this has worked for the previous generation, it has become increasingly apparent as of late the problems of justifying someone as denizen despite time spent here. This is why the OT!Governement has passed a vote: Denizen candidates chosen by the OT!Government shall now submit their own reasoning for why they should be considered for denizenship. Candidates shall be DM'd when they qualify, and only if approved, shall their denizenship be announced.
i know my dumbass mind will fuck it up and post a meme in response lawl
cute pfpabraker wrote:
NOTICE
As time marches on we find ourselves questioning what it means to become denizen. The OT Royal Society has first defined it in terms of activity. When that was then found insufficient by the OT!Government it was changed to time spent in this place. While this has worked for the previous generation, it has become increasingly apparent as of late the problems of justifying someone as denizen despite time spent here. This is why the OT!Governement has passed a vote: Denizen candidates chosen by the OT!Government shall now submit their own reasoning for why they should be considered for denizenship. Candidates shall be DM'd when they qualify, and only if approved, shall their denizenship be announced.
what are you seeking in the answers tho?
Topic Starter
a list of contributions to OT will sufficePatatitta wrote:
what are you seeking in the answers tho?
what would you define as a contributiont tho?, if you're going to just ask for that and anything suffices, then this is exactly like the old systemabraker wrote:
a list of contributions to OT will sufficePatatitta wrote:
what are you seeking in the answers tho?
hey I'm really cool can I get denizenship please? uwU uwU *hugs you* pleaseeee *take your pants down* <3<3<3abraker wrote:
a list of contributions to OT will sufficePatatitta wrote:
what are you seeking in the answers tho?
Topic Starter
if that "anything" you list is insufficient, then denizenship would be denied. So list your best contributionsPatatitta wrote:
what would you define as a contributiont ho?, if you're going to just ask for that and anything suffices, then this is exactly like the old systemabraker wrote:
a list of contributions to OT will sufficePatatitta wrote:
what are you seeking in the answers tho?
seems very ambiguous and that you guys haven't really fixed the core issue but okabraker wrote:
if that "anything" you list is insufficient, then denizenship would be denied. So list your best contributionsPatatitta wrote:
what would you define as a contributiont ho?, if you're going to just ask for that and anything suffices, then this is exactly like the old systemabraker wrote:
a list of contributions to OT will sufficePatatitta wrote:
what are you seeking in the answers tho?
Generations usually last long enough to get a good amount of members, I think.
As for this new system, why would the OT!Gov even qualify someone without knowing the reasoning themselves.
As for this new system, why would the OT!Gov even qualify someone without knowing the reasoning themselves.
xDKaaruumii wrote:
gen 9 gonna only have like 3 or 4 people lol
You can certainly decide to not become a denizen if you wish sooctowave wrote:
am i allowed to be excluded from denizenship as a whole? if it's going to be like this? it does nothing but make me want to post in ot less. knowing nothing i do would contribute to it would be a fucking relief. i just want to post things, not stress over whether or not i'm "good enough" by some arbitrary standards
octowave wrote:
am i allowed to be excluded from denizenship as a whole? if it's going to be like this? it does nothing but make me want to post in ot less. knowing nothing i do would contribute to it would be a fucking relief. i just want to post things, not stress over whether or not i'm "good enough" by some arbitrary standards
Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.
Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.
On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.
Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.
On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.
Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
now that makes a lot of senseShinRun wrote:
Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.
Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.
On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.
Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
I think that going back to the certain number of posts whithin a certain amount of time, but instead to a fixed number, there must be like an average of how much a person has posted in that time and thus has been known by the community. As for the current requirements, I think it's now absurdly difficult and if I entered OT at this time I wouldn't have even been bothered being active.ShinRun wrote:
Seems like the new amendment is receiving massive backlash so I have a different proposal.
Instead of making denizenship harder to require, parliament change the only requirement needed to obtain denizenship to be active for 8 months. This might seem similar to the old one we had but the difference is you literally need to make 0 contribution to be included. Denizen becomes a symbol of "hey I was here for 8+ months" and this would also increase the amount of people in a generation.
On the other hand, I can create a different entity similar to the hall of fame which is only dedicated to denizen who actually contributed massive deeds to OT. If someone wish to be inducted into the hall of fame, they must submit a list of achievement they contributed to the community. The requirement will naturally be much harsher, and instead of having only parliament decide, it will be left to a poll where any denizen can vote. Also, unlike most hall of fame, you don't need to be inactive to get inducted into it but you must be active for a much longer period of time compared to denizenship.
Changes will still be made to this but if this is much more preferred, I'll talk to parliament and the president about it.
I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
the latter[ Sebastian ] wrote:
I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
starting to feel like the first one nowClevelandsMyBro wrote:
the latter[ Sebastian ] wrote:
I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
*puts badge on your shirt*ClevelandsMyBro wrote:
the latter[ Sebastian ] wrote:
I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
Congrats on wasting your life here, we're proud
The definition of Denizenship shifted naturally
the current rules says otherwiseKaaruumii wrote:
starting to feel like the first one nowClevelandsMyBro wrote:
the latter[ Sebastian ] wrote:
I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.
To me it's pretty vague, im guessing a big time requirement and "contributions" which I really don't understand what that exactly means and feeling like I can be rejected because I posted something that was "insufficient" it overall makes me confused and not want to try at all, maybe I'm thinking too deep about it lmaoClevelandsMyBro wrote:
the current rules says otherwiseKaaruumii wrote:
starting to feel like the first one nowClevelandsMyBro wrote:
the latter[ Sebastian ] wrote:
I don't know if denizenship is either for big contributors to OT, or just a marker to show that you've been in OT for a while.