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q9za

Ashton wrote:

No system that is not run by people is going to fix the ‘constant turmoil’ or whatever
soon...

I also have to agree with Ashton, since this game requires users to make it's content, those users have the ability to shape the content to what they desire. If abraker wants different kinds of content, then abraker needs to push and approve of content that he wants.

Until a self-taught viable AI is produced, we rely on user manpower and their desires.
Topic Starter
abraker
Ashton, you are arguing that ranked must continue as it is because things like having maps checked for ranked is necessary. It is indeed necessary for ranked that maps continue to be checked. I don't think it would be ranked otherwise. You are describing ranked as a functional system, which it is for what it is. If it's considered normal that there is a restructuring every certain time period, then ranked can also be considered functioning properly.

Tho I'll admit it's hard to make a suggestion for a alternative system in which people don't actively making decisions. It's harder to understand how that can work and not break. So I wouldn't expect a formal suggestion until I have evidence that it can work. I can give an informal one if anyone is curious tho.

@q9za you don't need AI to figure out which maps are good or not. You can take advantage of community's passive behavior to do that instead.
Ashton
Finally you realize now that ranked is a functioning system and no amount of complaining will fix your own individual problem of not wanting to put effort into your maps to get them ranked. Thank you
ColdTooth
>the ranked system will always be changing

so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
Ashton

ColdTooth wrote:

>the ranked system will always be changing

so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
How much BNs did you end up asking?

Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that

But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
ColdTooth

Ashton wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

>the ranked system will always be changing

so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
How much BNs did you end up asking?

Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that

But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
I actually asked pimp, since he's my friend, but he would only bubble if I found a second BN. Every single BN's profile I have looked at, ~70% of them they don't mod tech, or just prefer anime music over anything. I think I overall asked ~5 BNs, and they all just said no.

I have one more BN I can ask but right now I'm not in the grandest of moods to even do something like this, and they are currently closed so I can either wait (that and I need to wait for my new headphones to come in...) or I can just hope a BN in the future can look at the map and give it some thought.

Seriously, trying not to offend the BN team here but goddamn it's really annoying to find the right person, especially when they're all closed.
ColdTooth
You know what's even worse? I woke up one day and suddenly found out the artist is now a FA. It actually pissed me off so much.
Ashton

ColdTooth wrote:

Ashton wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

>the ranked system will always be changing

so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
How much BNs did you end up asking?

Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that

But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
I actually asked pimp, since he's my friend, but he would only bubble if I found a second BN. Every single BN's profile I have looked at, ~70% of them they don't mod tech, or just prefer anime music over anything. I think I overall asked ~5 BNs, and they all just said no.

I have one more BN I can ask but right now I'm not in the grandest of moods to even do something like this, and they are currently closed so I can either wait (that and I need to wait for my new headphones to come in...) or I can just hope a BN in the future can look at the map and give it some thought.

Seriously, trying not to offend the BN team here but goddamn it's really annoying to find the right person, especially when they're all closed.
Don't take my word for it but honestly I wouldn't consider critical hit a tech map. If it is one, it's a very soft one because I think tech refers to the mapping style moreso than the song.
ColdTooth

Ashton wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

Ashton wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

>the ranked system will always be changing

so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
How much BNs did you end up asking?

Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that

But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
I actually asked pimp, since he's my friend, but he would only bubble if I found a second BN. Every single BN's profile I have looked at, ~70% of them they don't mod tech, or just prefer anime music over anything. I think I overall asked ~5 BNs, and they all just said no.

I have one more BN I can ask but right now I'm not in the grandest of moods to even do something like this, and they are currently closed so I can either wait (that and I need to wait for my new headphones to come in...) or I can just hope a BN in the future can look at the map and give it some thought.

Seriously, trying not to offend the BN team here but goddamn it's really annoying to find the right person, especially when they're all closed.
Don't take my word for it but honestly I wouldn't consider critical hit a tech map. If it is one, it's a very soft one because I think tech refers to the mapping style moreso than the song.
was about to also mention, yeah it's more of a light tech
q9za
If the community is willing to play normal short anime song maps and not light tech maps, then aren't the BNs doing their jobs perfectly?
Zelzatter Zero
Uh guys, does the current event about Monstrata getting banned because of saying Cheri's bg low-quality counted as mapping drama?
Topic Starter
abraker
if there is a drama discussion, it does
Ashton

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

Uh guys, does the current event about Monstrata getting banned because of saying Cheri's bg low-quality counted as mapping drama?
I thiught monstrata isnt banned?
Asphiee
Asphyre decided to make inconsistent placement as part of musical representation
beatmapsets/1173307/discussion/2449493/timeline#/1638485

Asphyre argues with modders who can't fathom the concept of mouse acceleration which represents gunshot effect
beatmapsets/1173307/discussion/2449493/timeline#/1619501
Zelzatter Zero

Ashton wrote:

I thiught monstrata isnt banned?
Not anymore, but he's just been restricted just an hour ago.
Topic Starter
abraker
first doesn't have enough people opposing mapper to be drama worthy

second one is turning spicy, need to wait and see how it pans out



Both are prime examples why I hate ranked and modding btw
Topic Starter
abraker
beatmapsets/1182288/discussion/-/generalAll#/1648982 - Mapper is criticized for using self drawn "low quality" background
ColdTooth

abraker wrote:

beatmapsets/1182288/discussion/-/generalAll#/1648982 - Mapper is criticized for using self drawn "low quality" background
read all of this before you posted

this is why i feel so demotivated in mapping even if i keep doing it

someone's just gunna get triggered by one simple thing and tries to force a change
Flanster
When they mad its not a swimsuit bg
Dialect
people literally have their bg dim on max, why do they care about a bg
ColdTooth

MinNin wrote:

people literally have their bg dim on max, why do they care about a bg
lol

some people play with very low dim, or no dim

i sometimes play with no dim, sb on just to practice my control
DragonSlayer96
Monstrata more than likely does 100% dim. Why does he even care about the "quality" of a bg if he won't see it anyway?
Serraionga

ColdTooth wrote:

someone's just gunna get triggered by one simple thing and tries to force a change
You mean you didn't want to place a NC here? Heh,,, There Goes Your Map Kid,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Vetoed. No One Is More Stubborn Than ME.
levesterz

MinNin wrote:

people literally have their bg dim on max, why do they care about a bg
I play with 50 percent dim. And I like to play with storyboard on. I like good sb.
Topic Starter
abraker
you've been playing since 2010 so your opinion is not relevant /s
Zelzatter Zero

DragonSlayer96 wrote:

Monstrata more than likely does 100% dim. Why does he even care about the "quality" of a bg if he won't see it anyway?
Actually the whole situation is not that serious. Monstrata was just joking about the bg quality without being acknowledged that the Cheri drawn this herself. After that he changed his comment into constructive criticism. He even confirmed that the joke was made by looking at bg preview for like 0.5 second.
Ashton

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

DragonSlayer96 wrote:

Monstrata more than likely does 100% dim. Why does he even care about the "quality" of a bg if he won't see it anyway?
Actually the whole situation is not that serious. Monstrata was just joking about the bg quality without being acknowledged that the Cheri drawn this herself. After that he changed his comment into constructive criticism. He even confirmed that the joke was made by looking at bg preview for like 0.5 second.
That wouldn't be a problem but Monstrata created a post in the general discussion basically saying that it deters from the quality of the beatmap enough to deem in unrankable.

Additionally, Monstrata kept babbling on Twitter Donald Trump style about the situation despite saying the discussion "never had to happen".
levesterz

abraker wrote:

you've been playing since 2010 so your opinion is not relevant /s
no u
ColdTooth

Ashton wrote:

Additionally, Monstrata kept babbling on Twitter Donald Trump style about the situation despite saying the discussion "never had to happen".
"the discussions never had to happen, but i choose to continue to bitch"
Topic Starter
abraker
Discovered an oldie

forum/p/2174247 - Mapper gets overflowed with comments regarding hard sight-readability of a difficulty. Mapper dismisses most comments as opinions while many claim they are issues that need to be fixed.
Aiseca

Flanster wrote:

When they mad its not a swimsuit bg
^ this is somewhat true lol
McEndu
Bump
Zelzatter Zero

McEndu wrote:

Bump
you can just bump them when there's a new drama. It's not that the OP is going to be inactive anytime soon.
Topic Starter
abraker
Not too drama intensive, but I think is still a worthy addition

Map is deemed to be too stamina intensive even for top players. Mapper argues difficulty shouldn't be used to judge map quality
beatmapsets/812539/discussion/1704294/general#/446564
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

abraker wrote:

Not too drama intensive, but I think is still a worthy addition

Map is deemed to be too stamina intensive even for top players. Mapper argues difficulty shouldn't be used to judge map quality
beatmapsets/812539/discussion/1704294/general#/446564
It's interesting how while I was reading the thread without the map's name, I was thinking of this map
Dialect
beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181

map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
q9za

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181

map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
That argument is one of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Just why even bring it up, the mapper trying to make the BG fit with the song.
Aiseca
"Subjective Issues Exists..."
Zelzatter Zero

q9za wrote:

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181

map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
That argument is one of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Just why even bring it up, the mapper trying to make the BG fit with the song.
agree. Like, there's even someone try to crop the portrait image (the original one is still SFW) to import into the game for the sake of song appropriation so why can't this be?

At least it's not unrelated to the song like Sotarks' Gold Dust.
q9za

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

q9za wrote:

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181

map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
That argument is one of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Just why even bring it up, the mapper trying to make the BG fit with the song.
agree. Like, there's even someone try to crop the portrait image (the original one is still SFW) to import into the game for the sake of song appropriation so why can't this be?

At least it's not unrelated to the song like Sotarks' Gold Dust.
well whatever, it's just them wasting time let them enjoy themselves lol.
Aiseca
Mapping and politics ain't different.
Dialect
personally i just wish hishiro kind up upscaled the quality of the bg a tad bit, but then it'd ruin the map itself
Topic Starter
abraker
comment thread ended with a fizzle, but gonna document it for sake of keeping track of bg issues cause they seem to pop up more often these days and I get the feeling that might end up leading to something bigger eventually
q9za

Aiseca wrote:

Mapping and politics ain't different.
Now introducing: Plapping, where you discuss both real life politics and mapping in the same chat!
Dialect

abraker wrote:

comment thread ended with a fizzle, but gonna document it for sake of keeping track of bg issues cause they seem to pop up more often these days and I get the feeling that might end up leading to something bigger eventually
all because of a swimsuit bg
q9za
it is what it is
Hydreigon
bg drama is getting more popular now that it even could have its own separate thread lel.


but on-topic, as an artist, I'm fine with people making little edits like that, as long as they still credit the artist and its not a huge edit that affects the entire drawing.
q9za

Hydreigon wrote:

bg drama is getting more popular now that it even could have its own separate thread lel.


but on-topic, as an artist, I'm fine with people making little edits like that, as long as they still credit the artist and its not a huge edit that affects the entire drawing.
That's true, it's not an insulting or memey edit, it is related to the genre of the song.
Chiru-kun
cute compilation, will bookmark
q9za

renzthegreat wrote:

cute compilation, will bookmark
ok
Dialect
beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249

song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
Dialect

levesterz wrote:

lol
gigantic otn is not inappropiate then?
not to mention the obvious moans in ver. danshi
levesterz
ye.
edit: ops i deleted my massage to change a bit of wording and you qoute it ops ..
Zelzatter Zero
Imagine having bunches of eroge songs ranked and still veto a map for having inappropriate lyrics.

kinda double standard for me
JustABeginner
I don't know how this song is even ranked...

Source: Click here.

Also, it is made from a first generation of denizen!
Hydreigon
osu needs a better line between whats NSFW but still allowed for rank and stuff that is too NSFW to be ranked


so that way people would know what songs to map and not map
Isshiki Kaname
there is literally map background depicting groping, that is far worse than that Suisei bikini art I sent in tadpole's thread.
searched for such backgrounds to prove my point on my silence being wrongfully given
JustABeginner
Poor Katou... :C.
Aiseca
Can we just make osu! A Christian game like Minecraft?
So, all of these double standards and circlejerking at least be lessen.
Dialect
community/forums/topics/38533

old news but map is considered unrankable due to nsfw bg + bad song
Nuuskamuikkunen

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

Imagine having bunches of eroge songs ranked and still veto a map for having inappropriate lyrics.

kinda double standard for me
It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
Dialect

eblf2013 wrote:

It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?
Hydreigon

Li Syaoran wrote:

wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?
not yet... though i dont think any hentai company would want to make an anime adaptation of it
Nuuskamuikkunen

Li Syaoran wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?
I said it as a hypothetical example.
Isshiki Kaname
some r/animemes degenerates drew fake anime frames from 265918 tho
ColdTooth

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249

song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014
Ashton
Surprise buttseks 😳
Dialect

ColdTooth wrote:

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249

song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014

i mean ig it is considering 99% is about sex
ColdTooth

Li Syaoran wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249

song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014

i mean ig it is considering 99% is about sex
i'll be honest there was a huge internal discussion before it got ranked, i thought it wouldn't and i would've been okay with that lol

now if only i could get a map ranked this year...
Topic Starter
abraker
First one is debatable. Maps being scrutinized for nsfw lyrics given similarly nsfw maps were ranked before just doesn't feel right, so it might have some worth. Second one from 2010 is not close to drama imo
Ashton
beatmapsets/1179039/discussion/-/generalAll#/1754671

Controversy over Diff name “exane”
Topic Starter
abraker
added
Dialect
imagine bitching over a diff name
Aiseca
It's 2020. People needs to find something to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dialect

Aiseca wrote:

It's 2020. People needs to find something to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
waiting for them to criticize a mapper for having the preview point set wrongly
Hydreigon
Exane sounds like some sort of rip-off Mitsubishi sedan
Dialect
mama mia!!!
JustABeginner
Exane sounds more like hexane [C6H14], one of the names in a group of simple hydrocarbons called alkane.
Topic Starter
abraker
Map vetoed due to hitsounds using mostly snares/kicks improperly representing the music. Mapper claims map uses variety of hitsounds to distinguish drums.
beatmapsets/940746/discussion/-/generalAll#/1758163
Zelzatter Zero
First underhitsound, now this...

Wonder what will be next.
Ashton
People literally writing essays..
Zelzatter Zero

Ashton wrote:

People literally writing essays..
I literally don't even know how human have ability to read this whole stuff...
q9za

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

Ashton wrote:

People literally writing essays..
I literally don't even know how human have ability to read this whole stuff...
Absolute drainage of the human brain.

Combine the time spent writing and proofreading the essays with the reading too.

Willpower.
Ashton
Veto lifted, mapper no longer going for ranked.

Lol. Imagine going through all of that to come to that conclusion.
ColdTooth
Ephemeral involved means real shit.
ColdTooth
Also I could go for some fucking garlic right about now.
Topic Starter
abraker
I wouldnt be surprised. Give us simpler times
Zelzatter Zero
An (potential) ongoing drama:

community/forums/topics/1122321 - OP claims that people replying to their comments are toxic and cannot take feedbacks. Later reveal that they was toxic to the mapper as well.
Dialect
^

yeah op is pretty toxic. i showed him my map at one point, and he proceeded to bash the heck out of it. if criticism is needed, then i'll take those into account. but his mods provided nothing imo

we need to wait until the map gets ranked tho
q9za
classic osu mappers.
Qiyana
lemme just say i was nowhere near toxic and the other comments werent from me. ive debunked it all.
update ~ thread taken down, were over this.
Dialect
comments/1214732

it's a loved map, but map gets unloved due to nsfw lyrics and nsfw sliders, despite other loved maps having the same thing in it.
Zelzatter Zero
soon they will unloved that History Maker set

I'm tired.
ColdTooth
If that's the case, will they also try to unrank decade-old mapsets that have nsfw lyrics? Hell, even my map in 2014, I warned people in the description, and that almost every 18+ song gets that warning because it's kind of required.

Why now do they do this? Kind of dumb if you ask me.
Serraionga
"communication issues"

this is the equivalent of me missing a meeting at my job and saying i had to walk my fish as an excuse
Aiseca
When will rank section lose its "untouchable" state when it comes to this thing?

Targeting loved section for something that should have been more proactively enforced in official game content a.k.a. Ranked maps is a very wierd move of all the reason out of the blue.

And what makes it more interesting is that, the rule is non-applicable to old maps with same problem. WTF?

If so, them it doesn't completely accomplish what the rule had to do, it just scratching the surface, leaving the side unfinished.
Topic Starter
abraker
Added

This is how it should go down for nsfw maps that are already ranked/loved: https://github.com/ppy/osu-web/issues/5902
Dialect
hopefully these ones weren't added

beatmapsets/950289/discussion/-/generalAll#/985029

old drama, but map gets vetoed due to "score inflation" between diffs that are similar in style, but not by the same mapper.

beatmapsets/942714/discussion/-/generalAll#/1051305

same thing as above, and bn argues that this doesn't get vetoed, but [other map] does (dunno if this could be considered drama, but it's still somewhat valid
ColdTooth
Today I learned a ranked mapset has 50 ranked difficulties.

What the fuck.
Topic Starter
abraker
both added
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