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i mean i'm not gay but it'd be pretty hot no homoAshton wrote:
Three dudes in speedos?
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Bulge fanservice!
I'm not gay either and I find it hot asf!MinNin wrote:
i mean i'm not gay but it'd be pretty hot no homoAshton wrote:
Three dudes in speedos?
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Bulge fanservice!
The veto has been dismissed and the map is moving forward with the ranking section. I'm glad it wasn't drawn out long, but disappointed it happened in the first place.
oh my fucking god man this is goldHydreigon wrote:
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Ranking Criteria has a lot of things yet to be abused. Tho it requires effort to abuse them, so good luck.
Also kinda feels ranked is getting to the point its obvious it will be in eternal state of turmoil so long as there are people involved with choosing which maps get to ranked and which dont. People have been fixing issues with ranked since the MAT. You would think 10 years is enough time to figure out how to make something that cant be abused. Making systems requiring people's trust will eventually fail. What's most disappointing is that it's considered a working system. I consider it a barely working system if you need to change role structure every 2-3 years or introduce regular fixes to prevent people from abusing their privilege.
Also kinda feels ranked is getting to the point its obvious it will be in eternal state of turmoil so long as there are people involved with choosing which maps get to ranked and which dont. People have been fixing issues with ranked since the MAT. You would think 10 years is enough time to figure out how to make something that cant be abused. Making systems requiring people's trust will eventually fail. What's most disappointing is that it's considered a working system. I consider it a barely working system if you need to change role structure every 2-3 years or introduce regular fixes to prevent people from abusing their privilege.
Can you stop preaching that bullshit abraker?
No system that is not run by people is going to fix the ‘constant turmoil’ or whatever... its actually not a problem in standard mode anymore and the system works fairly well. If anything its a mania exclusive problem. Because you seem to be one of the very few people complaining about lack of variety in ranked section.
There are only a few instances where bns/nat make stupid decisions which cause a big ruckus but because of things like veto mediation they usually don’t make it through anyways.
I dont want to have another 3 hour long conversation with you because you can never seem to get it. Weren’t you working on making that proposal for a new catagory? Work on that instead of shitting on a system that you don’t like yet not offering any other viable alternative.
No system that is not run by people is going to fix the ‘constant turmoil’ or whatever... its actually not a problem in standard mode anymore and the system works fairly well. If anything its a mania exclusive problem. Because you seem to be one of the very few people complaining about lack of variety in ranked section.
There are only a few instances where bns/nat make stupid decisions which cause a big ruckus but because of things like veto mediation they usually don’t make it through anyways.
I dont want to have another 3 hour long conversation with you because you can never seem to get it. Weren’t you working on making that proposal for a new catagory? Work on that instead of shitting on a system that you don’t like yet not offering any other viable alternative.
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Yea you can defend ranked all you want. However you cant deny that that there is still ongoing effort to prevent abuse. Recent effort to fix veto abuse is one example. Last restructure was when QAT got changed to NAT. I bet ranked roles will go through another restructuring in about a year and a half.
honestly i kind of don't really care at this point. the mapping and player community are really divided on certain things imoabraker wrote:
Yea you can defend ranked all you want. However you cant deny that that there is still ongoing effort to prevent abuse. Recent effort to fix veto abuse is one example. Last restructure was when QAT got changed to NAT. I bet ranked roles will go through another restructuring in about a year and a half.
The ranked system will always be changing and improvements will always be made. You keep blaming it and calling it bad but you have not once suggested a viable alternative.abraker wrote:
Yea you can defend ranked all you want. However you cant deny that that there is still ongoing effort to prevent abuse. Recent effort to fix veto abuse is one example. Last restructure was when QAT got changed to NAT. I bet ranked roles will go through another restructuring in about a year and a half.
The fundamental ranking process will never change and has never changed. Yes, teams got restructured, roles got mismatched, and vetos got reworked. But your map will always need real people to push it forward and there will always be the option for real people to keep it back. This has been the case since the creation of osu! (One could argue the early years didn't have vetos and almost any map was pushed forward but that is no longer relevant...). If anything, small changes will occur, but your problem with the system will never be fixed no matter how many changes it goes through.
The people in charge of ranking maps are not paid. Nobody is entitled to BN's. This will never change for as long as the ranking process exists. The only option to 'fix' this is to move to an automated system. Which already has several issues. And it's never going to happen.
The 'issue' of there not being enough variety in ranked mania maps is one that can not be solved with a system reform. I have said this dozens of times yet you keep on acting as if it is an issue caused by the system. That isn't the case. It's an 'issue' that is the result of the low population of mania mappers and modders. If you want to push your 'interesting' and 'unique' maps forward then stop complaining and (like I said before...) become a mania BN yourself or push forward your own maps. Help the community by modding a ton.
If you aren't motivated to do it, then who else do you have to blame besides you? Nobody.
soon...Ashton wrote:
No system that is not run by people is going to fix the ‘constant turmoil’ or whatever
I also have to agree with Ashton, since this game requires users to make it's content, those users have the ability to shape the content to what they desire. If abraker wants different kinds of content, then abraker needs to push and approve of content that he wants.
Until a self-taught viable AI is produced, we rely on user manpower and their desires.
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Ashton, you are arguing that ranked must continue as it is because things like having maps checked for ranked is necessary. It is indeed necessary for ranked that maps continue to be checked. I don't think it would be ranked otherwise. You are describing ranked as a functional system, which it is for what it is. If it's considered normal that there is a restructuring every certain time period, then ranked can also be considered functioning properly.
Tho I'll admit it's hard to make a suggestion for a alternative system in which people don't actively making decisions. It's harder to understand how that can work and not break. So I wouldn't expect a formal suggestion until I have evidence that it can work. I can give an informal one if anyone is curious tho.
@q9za you don't need AI to figure out which maps are good or not. You can take advantage of community's passive behavior to do that instead.
Tho I'll admit it's hard to make a suggestion for a alternative system in which people don't actively making decisions. It's harder to understand how that can work and not break. So I wouldn't expect a formal suggestion until I have evidence that it can work. I can give an informal one if anyone is curious tho.
@q9za you don't need AI to figure out which maps are good or not. You can take advantage of community's passive behavior to do that instead.
Finally you realize now that ranked is a functioning system and no amount of complaining will fix your own individual problem of not wanting to put effort into your maps to get them ranked. Thank you
>the ranked system will always be changing
so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
How much BNs did you end up asking?ColdTooth wrote:
>the ranked system will always be changing
so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that
But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
I actually asked pimp, since he's my friend, but he would only bubble if I found a second BN. Every single BN's profile I have looked at, ~70% of them they don't mod tech, or just prefer anime music over anything. I think I overall asked ~5 BNs, and they all just said no.Ashton wrote:
How much BNs did you end up asking?ColdTooth wrote:
>the ranked system will always be changing
so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that
But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
I have one more BN I can ask but right now I'm not in the grandest of moods to even do something like this, and they are currently closed so I can either wait (that and I need to wait for my new headphones to come in...) or I can just hope a BN in the future can look at the map and give it some thought.
Seriously, trying not to offend the BN team here but goddamn it's really annoying to find the right person, especially when they're all closed.
You know what's even worse? I woke up one day and suddenly found out the artist is now a FA. It actually pissed me off so much.
Don't take my word for it but honestly I wouldn't consider critical hit a tech map. If it is one, it's a very soft one because I think tech refers to the mapping style moreso than the song.ColdTooth wrote:
I actually asked pimp, since he's my friend, but he would only bubble if I found a second BN. Every single BN's profile I have looked at, ~70% of them they don't mod tech, or just prefer anime music over anything. I think I overall asked ~5 BNs, and they all just said no.Ashton wrote:
How much BNs did you end up asking?ColdTooth wrote:
>the ranked system will always be changing
so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that
But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
I have one more BN I can ask but right now I'm not in the grandest of moods to even do something like this, and they are currently closed so I can either wait (that and I need to wait for my new headphones to come in...) or I can just hope a BN in the future can look at the map and give it some thought.
Seriously, trying not to offend the BN team here but goddamn it's really annoying to find the right person, especially when they're all closed.
was about to also mention, yeah it's more of a light techAshton wrote:
Don't take my word for it but honestly I wouldn't consider critical hit a tech map. If it is one, it's a very soft one because I think tech refers to the mapping style moreso than the song.ColdTooth wrote:
I actually asked pimp, since he's my friend, but he would only bubble if I found a second BN. Every single BN's profile I have looked at, ~70% of them they don't mod tech, or just prefer anime music over anything. I think I overall asked ~5 BNs, and they all just said no.Ashton wrote:
How much BNs did you end up asking?ColdTooth wrote:
>the ranked system will always be changing
so does that means critical hit will actually have bns modding it this year? or next decade?
Your map seems like one some will be interested in. Pimp and Andrea are the first ones that come to mind but its a clean map with an old mapping style and some bns love maps like that
But yeah, even if youve already asked every single bn and they all said they arent interested youd need to wait for new ones to come in. Its really shitty that is the case but its not like we can start forcing bns to nominate maps they arent onterested in even if they are solid
I have one more BN I can ask but right now I'm not in the grandest of moods to even do something like this, and they are currently closed so I can either wait (that and I need to wait for my new headphones to come in...) or I can just hope a BN in the future can look at the map and give it some thought.
Seriously, trying not to offend the BN team here but goddamn it's really annoying to find the right person, especially when they're all closed.
If the community is willing to play normal short anime song maps and not light tech maps, then aren't the BNs doing their jobs perfectly?
Uh guys, does the current event about Monstrata getting banned because of saying Cheri's bg low-quality counted as mapping drama?
Topic Starter
if there is a drama discussion, it does
I thiught monstrata isnt banned?Zelzatter Zero wrote:
Uh guys, does the current event about Monstrata getting banned because of saying Cheri's bg low-quality counted as mapping drama?
Asphyre decided to make inconsistent placement as part of musical representation
beatmapsets/1173307/discussion/2449493/timeline#/1638485
Asphyre argues with modders who can't fathom the concept of mouse acceleration which represents gunshot effect
beatmapsets/1173307/discussion/2449493/timeline#/1619501
beatmapsets/1173307/discussion/2449493/timeline#/1638485
Asphyre argues with modders who can't fathom the concept of mouse acceleration which represents gunshot effect
beatmapsets/1173307/discussion/2449493/timeline#/1619501
Not anymore, but he's just been restricted just an hour ago.Ashton wrote:
I thiught monstrata isnt banned?
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first doesn't have enough people opposing mapper to be drama worthy
second one is turning spicy, need to wait and see how it pans out
Both are prime examples why I hate ranked and modding btw
second one is turning spicy, need to wait and see how it pans out
Both are prime examples why I hate ranked and modding btw
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beatmapsets/1182288/discussion/-/generalAll#/1648982 - Mapper is criticized for using self drawn "low quality" background
read all of this before you postedabraker wrote:
beatmapsets/1182288/discussion/-/generalAll#/1648982 - Mapper is criticized for using self drawn "low quality" background
this is why i feel so demotivated in mapping even if i keep doing it
someone's just gunna get triggered by one simple thing and tries to force a change
When they mad its not a swimsuit bg
people literally have their bg dim on max, why do they care about a bg
lolMinNin wrote:
people literally have their bg dim on max, why do they care about a bg
some people play with very low dim, or no dim
i sometimes play with no dim, sb on just to practice my control
Monstrata more than likely does 100% dim. Why does he even care about the "quality" of a bg if he won't see it anyway?
You mean you didn't want to place a NC here? Heh,,, There Goes Your Map Kid,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Vetoed. No One Is More Stubborn Than ME.ColdTooth wrote:
someone's just gunna get triggered by one simple thing and tries to force a change
I play with 50 percent dim. And I like to play with storyboard on. I like good sb.MinNin wrote:
people literally have their bg dim on max, why do they care about a bg
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you've been playing since 2010 so your opinion is not relevant /s
Actually the whole situation is not that serious. Monstrata was just joking about the bg quality without being acknowledged that the Cheri drawn this herself. After that he changed his comment into constructive criticism. He even confirmed that the joke was made by looking at bg preview for like 0.5 second.DragonSlayer96 wrote:
Monstrata more than likely does 100% dim. Why does he even care about the "quality" of a bg if he won't see it anyway?
That wouldn't be a problem but Monstrata created a post in the general discussion basically saying that it deters from the quality of the beatmap enough to deem in unrankable.Zelzatter Zero wrote:
Actually the whole situation is not that serious. Monstrata was just joking about the bg quality without being acknowledged that the Cheri drawn this herself. After that he changed his comment into constructive criticism. He even confirmed that the joke was made by looking at bg preview for like 0.5 second.DragonSlayer96 wrote:
Monstrata more than likely does 100% dim. Why does he even care about the "quality" of a bg if he won't see it anyway?
Additionally, Monstrata kept babbling on Twitter Donald Trump style about the situation despite saying the discussion "never had to happen".
no uabraker wrote:
you've been playing since 2010 so your opinion is not relevant /s
"the discussions never had to happen, but i choose to continue to bitch"Ashton wrote:
Additionally, Monstrata kept babbling on Twitter Donald Trump style about the situation despite saying the discussion "never had to happen".
Topic Starter
Discovered an oldie
forum/p/2174247 - Mapper gets overflowed with comments regarding hard sight-readability of a difficulty. Mapper dismisses most comments as opinions while many claim they are issues that need to be fixed.
forum/p/2174247 - Mapper gets overflowed with comments regarding hard sight-readability of a difficulty. Mapper dismisses most comments as opinions while many claim they are issues that need to be fixed.
^ this is somewhat true lolFlanster wrote:
When they mad its not a swimsuit bg
Bump
you can just bump them when there's a new drama. It's not that the OP is going to be inactive anytime soon.McEndu wrote:
Bump
Topic Starter
Not too drama intensive, but I think is still a worthy addition
Map is deemed to be too stamina intensive even for top players. Mapper argues difficulty shouldn't be used to judge map quality
beatmapsets/812539/discussion/1704294/general#/446564
Map is deemed to be too stamina intensive even for top players. Mapper argues difficulty shouldn't be used to judge map quality
beatmapsets/812539/discussion/1704294/general#/446564
It's interesting how while I was reading the thread without the map's name, I was thinking of this mapabraker wrote:
Not too drama intensive, but I think is still a worthy addition
Map is deemed to be too stamina intensive even for top players. Mapper argues difficulty shouldn't be used to judge map quality
beatmapsets/812539/discussion/1704294/general#/446564
beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181
map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
That argument is one of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Just why even bring it up, the mapper trying to make the BG fit with the song.Li Syaoran wrote:
beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181
map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
agree. Like, there's even someone try to crop the portrait image (the original one is still SFW) to import into the game for the sake of song appropriation so why can't this be?q9za wrote:
That argument is one of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Just why even bring it up, the mapper trying to make the BG fit with the song.Li Syaoran wrote:
beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181
map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
At least it's not unrelated to the song like Sotarks' Gold Dust.
well whatever, it's just them wasting time let them enjoy themselves lol.Zelzatter Zero wrote:
agree. Like, there's even someone try to crop the portrait image (the original one is still SFW) to import into the game for the sake of song appropriation so why can't this be?q9za wrote:
That argument is one of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. Just why even bring it up, the mapper trying to make the BG fit with the song.Li Syaoran wrote:
beatmapsets/1151389/discussion/-/generalAll#/1708181
map's bg was seen as "disrespect to the original artist" as it's an edited version of the original bg. mapper argues that it's to represent the music.
At least it's not unrelated to the song like Sotarks' Gold Dust.
personally i just wish hishiro kind up upscaled the quality of the bg a tad bit, but then it'd ruin the map itself
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comment thread ended with a fizzle, but gonna document it for sake of keeping track of bg issues cause they seem to pop up more often these days and I get the feeling that might end up leading to something bigger eventually
Now introducing: Plapping, where you discuss both real life politics and mapping in the same chat!Aiseca wrote:
Mapping and politics ain't different.
all because of a swimsuit bgabraker wrote:
comment thread ended with a fizzle, but gonna document it for sake of keeping track of bg issues cause they seem to pop up more often these days and I get the feeling that might end up leading to something bigger eventually
bg drama is getting more popular now that it even could have its own separate thread lel.
but on-topic, as an artist, I'm fine with people making little edits like that, as long as they still credit the artist and its not a huge edit that affects the entire drawing.
but on-topic, as an artist, I'm fine with people making little edits like that, as long as they still credit the artist and its not a huge edit that affects the entire drawing.
That's true, it's not an insulting or memey edit, it is related to the genre of the song.Hydreigon wrote:
bg drama is getting more popular now that it even could have its own separate thread lel.
but on-topic, as an artist, I'm fine with people making little edits like that, as long as they still credit the artist and its not a huge edit that affects the entire drawing.
beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249
song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
not to mention the obvious moans in ver. danshilevesterz wrote:
lol
gigantic otn is not inappropiate then?
ye.
edit: ops i deleted my massage to change a bit of wording and you qoute it ops ..
edit: ops i deleted my massage to change a bit of wording and you qoute it ops ..
Imagine having bunches of eroge songs ranked and still veto a map for having inappropriate lyrics.
kinda double standard for me
kinda double standard for me
I don't know how this song is even ranked...
Source: Click here.
Also, it is made from a first generation of denizen!
Source: Click here.
Also, it is made from a first generation of denizen!
osu needs a better line between whats NSFW but still allowed for rank and stuff that is too NSFW to be ranked
so that way people would know what songs to map and not map
so that way people would know what songs to map and not map
there is literally map background depicting groping, that is far worse than that Suisei bikini art I sent in tadpole's thread.
searched for such backgrounds to prove my point on my silence being wrongfully given
searched for such backgrounds to prove my point on my silence being wrongfully given
Poor Katou... :C.
Can we just make osu! A Christian game like Minecraft?
So, all of these double standards and circlejerking at least be lessen.
So, all of these double standards and circlejerking at least be lessen.
It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.Zelzatter Zero wrote:
Imagine having bunches of eroge songs ranked and still veto a map for having inappropriate lyrics.
kinda double standard for me
wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?eblf2013 wrote:
It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
not yet... though i dont think any hentai company would want to make an anime adaptation of itLi Syaoran wrote:
wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?
I said it as a hypothetical example.Li Syaoran wrote:
wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?eblf2013 wrote:
It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
some r/animemes degenerates drew fake anime frames from 265918 tho
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014Li Syaoran wrote:
beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249
song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
Surprise buttseks 😳
ColdTooth wrote:
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014Li Syaoran wrote:
beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249
song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
i mean ig it is considering 99% is about sex
i'll be honest there was a huge internal discussion before it got ranked, i thought it wouldn't and i would've been okay with that lolLi Syaoran wrote:
ColdTooth wrote:
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014Li Syaoran wrote:
beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249
song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
i mean ig it is considering 99% is about sex
now if only i could get a map ranked this year...
Topic Starter
First one is debatable. Maps being scrutinized for nsfw lyrics given similarly nsfw maps were ranked before just doesn't feel right, so it might have some worth. Second one from 2010 is not close to drama imo
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added
imagine bitching over a diff name
It's 2020. People needs to find something to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
waiting for them to criticize a mapper for having the preview point set wronglyAiseca wrote:
It's 2020. People needs to find something to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exane sounds like some sort of rip-off Mitsubishi sedan
mama mia!!!
Exane sounds more like hexane [C6H14], one of the names in a group of simple hydrocarbons called alkane.
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Map vetoed due to hitsounds using mostly snares/kicks improperly representing the music. Mapper claims map uses variety of hitsounds to distinguish drums.
beatmapsets/940746/discussion/-/generalAll#/1758163
beatmapsets/940746/discussion/-/generalAll#/1758163
First underhitsound, now this...
Wonder what will be next.
Wonder what will be next.
People literally writing essays..
I literally don't even know how human have ability to read this whole stuff...Ashton wrote:
People literally writing essays..
Absolute drainage of the human brain.Zelzatter Zero wrote:
I literally don't even know how human have ability to read this whole stuff...Ashton wrote:
People literally writing essays..
Combine the time spent writing and proofreading the essays with the reading too.
Willpower.
Veto lifted, mapper no longer going for ranked.
Lol. Imagine going through all of that to come to that conclusion.
Lol. Imagine going through all of that to come to that conclusion.
Ephemeral involved means real shit.
Also I could go for some fucking garlic right about now.
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I wouldnt be surprised. Give us simpler times
An (potential) ongoing drama:
community/forums/topics/1122321 - OP claims that people replying to their comments are toxic and cannot take feedbacks. Later reveal that they was toxic to the mapper as well.
community/forums/topics/1122321 - OP claims that people replying to their comments are toxic and cannot take feedbacks. Later reveal that they was toxic to the mapper as well.