Last chance to them. Waiting at the moment.
tsquirrelpascals wrote:
Part. Number. Three.light insane• 00:06:330 (5,6,7) - this stack gets in the way of the even spacing between 00:05:960 (3,4,5) - and the aesthetic. move it down and to the right so it looks even with circle 5
• 00:19:849 (6,7,1) - same here
• 00:34:108 - doesnt feel right to skip this vocal since the slider of 00:33:367 (1) - emphasizes it
• 00:40:589 (1,2) - 00:43:552 (1,2) - again with stacks REEEE, just space these two tho
• 01:14:478 (6,1,2) - this makes flow kind of jagged, would be better if you put 1 right in front of the slidertail like this
• 01:22:997 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this stream seems like a lot because you never really use anything more than a triple until this, then its like 9 notes all at once and big diff spike. replace with something simplermarianna• 00:08:552 (3,4) - since vocals stop here and there's a snare roll, maybe replace this rhythm with something different? suggesting so it doesnt make the jumps feel too forced on the intense vocal parts
• 00:11:145 (1,2,3,4) - the 1/2 sliders here also sound like they can be varied, there is a kick on 00:11:330 - and a potential triple at 00:11:886 - so it just feels strange to stick to 1/2 sliders here
• 00:55:219 (4,5,1) - really big difference in spacing here feels weird to play, can you make the two jumps spaced more similar
• 01:04:478 - Don't leave sliderends on the downbeats like this, since it starts off a new measure it takes more priority. also guitar, vocal and drum beat here to show that
• 01:22:997 (3,4,5) - same as 00:55:219 (4,5,1) -mk• 00:37:626 (5,1) - would sound better ctrl+g imo, i think this prioritizes the snare and guitar note better unccorforrtaable junp
• 00:57:626 (3) - turn this into a triple? it feels strange because this is the only times you use a kickslider like this, lol semms fin for me lol
• 01:14:478 - the way you totally skip this beat feels awkward, its a pretty powreful snare + guitar note i liek to foloow the bakground bets like datsh1n1• 00:23:737 (3) - it feels strange how the vocal lands on that reverse arrow after you follow 00:22:997 (1,2) - these vocals with 1/2 sliders, try circle + 1/2 slider maybe
• 00:31:701 (4,1,2) - fix blanket
• 00:41:515 (2,3) - picky, but maybe rotate this to the right a tiny bit so its on the same axis as 00:41:145 (1) -polka• 00:13:923 (4,5) - i think ctrl+g works better here because it prioritizes this bass note 00:13:923 - better (with a held slider) and the snare at 00:14:293 - with a clickable
• 00:46:700 (2) - i think this works better as 2 1/1 sliders because 00:46:700 and 00:47:441 - are two different vocal phrases
• 01:10:219 (5,6) - disagree with sliderend on this downbeat, because of the exaggerated vocal + snare here. also, if you're trying to map to drums here consider also mapping the snare at 01:10:774 - somehow
• 01:23:552 (1) - the way you continue this repeat slider pattern feels forced, because you map to the drums at 01:22:071 (5,7) - but that just makes this one confusing. if you want a hold rhythm for the vocals i'd recommend just a 1/1 slider
• 01:25:960 (8) - make this wave slider symmetric reeeeehazu• 00:42:997 (3) - make this wave slider symmetric, the tail is a bit less curvy
• 00:47:441 - i'd like it if 00:47:441 - were clickable also because of the way you prioritized it with a circle on 00:46:700 (4) -
• 01:27:441 (4,5) - rhythm here feels strange because you're not able to map to these snares like the two circles before, it would be better though if you found a way to make that sliderend clickablebor• 00:32:812 (3) - feel like this slider would work better if it started on 00:32:997 - because of that guitar strum thing that would go better with a hold rhythm.
• 00:47:812 (4,1) - putting this to the left of this sliderend 00:47:812 (4) - would show more structure because it would give better symmetry with 00:47:256 (2,3) -
• 01:00:034 (1,2,3) - i think if you simplified your rhythm here it would be more consistent with 00:52:626 (1,2,3) - and kinda 00:57:256 (2,3,1) - because the vocals do the shame kind of rhythm here
• 01:11:886 (1,2,3) - flow is very off here and there are weird corners on sliderend of 1 and sliderhead of 3. i think placing 2 like this would make the pattern feel more natural for the player to hit
• 01:14:108 (3) - i dont know why you chose to map the reverse arrow on the blue tick like this, it seems to be placed surrounding noticable drum beats but not ON them, and its also confusing because its the first time you used this rhythm.cosmo• 00:38:923 - it think you would benefit more from putting something clickable here because there's an intense drum roll that starts here, so putting a sliderend here is underwhelming
thats all honestly loleasy• 00:30:404 (1,2) - 11 slider would probably be better here, since you usually simplify these vocals a lot more like at 00:18:552 (1) -
• 01:16:330 (1) - i feel like this slider looks too cramed, try doing something like this to make the aesthetic niceriyiyo• 00:36:330 (1) - maybe split this up into 2 sliders, with another starting at 00:37:812 - ? suggesting because the drums get more intense there, so it would fit
• 01:25:219 (1) - think it would be better to start this at 01:26:700 - because the long guitar note starts there, so the spinner would represent that better if you started it there as well
when you say you'll get the rest tomorrow but you accidentally take 10 day s uuhhhh opps
basically fixed all, thanks squirrel!squirrelpascals wrote:
Hi, part 2haruto• 00:11:978 - since you make the snare right before this clickable, it feels strange how this one isnt as well. consider moving the triple forward 1/2 a beat? right, changed the rhythm here.
• 00:12:626 (1) - would be nice to be consistent in the way you map this snare at 00:11:052 (6) - okay
• 00:33:923 (3) - you skip over the snare you usually map to here 00:34:015 - (like at 00:29:478 (3,4) - etc.) and a strong vocal on the white tick after, making this feel undermapped. Modify this pattern to make it feel otherwise i actually wanted for a different feeling here but uhh since you want it to be consistent then i changed the rhythming here as well.
will do the others
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I'd like to keep using polka as my gd name actually.Pachiru wrote:
Before it gets requal, don't you think that would be better to rename Polka's diff by Veridian's instead? Just a suggestion since he rename! Good luck on re-qual Gerito
03:07 Lost The Lights: estas ignorando la guitarra
03:07 Lost The Lights: en puntos donde suena MUY claro
03:07 Gero: si, estoy arreglando eso
03:07 Lost The Lights: queres una mano?
03:07 Gero: marcame donde estan
03:07 Gero: para fixearlos
03:07 Lost The Lights: 01:13:460 -
03:07 Gero: 01:13:460 - aqui hay uno
03:07 Gero: 01:19:386 - aca
03:07 Lost The Lights: 01:19:386 -
03:07 Gero: tambien no?
03:08 Lost The Lights: 01:25:589 -
03:08 Lost The Lights: aca
03:08 Lost The Lights: pudiste hacer
03:08 Lost The Lights: slider nota slider
03:08 Lost The Lights: si escuchas un poquito
03:08 Lost The Lights: la guitarra hace un riff agudo
03:08 Gero: algo como 1/2 triple a blanco?
03:08 Lost The Lights: claro
03:09 Gero: perfecto
03:09 Gero: y lo demas esta bien?
03:09 Lost The Lights: a ver
03:09 Lost The Lights: dejame checkearla de vuelta
03:09 Gero: oki
03:10 Lost The Lights: 00:42:071 -
03:10 Lost The Lights: sonido claro
03:10 Lost The Lights: de la guitarra
03:10 Lost The Lights: lo que podes hacer
03:11 Lost The Lights: es hacer 5 un slider
Pachiru wrote:
Before it gets requal, don't you think that would be better to rename Polka's diff by Veridian's instead? Just a suggestion since he rename! Good luck on re-qual Gerito
sorry for the delay @Gero >.<squirrelpascals wrote:
marianna• 00:08:552 (3,4) - since vocals stop here and there's a snare roll, maybe replace this rhythm with something different? suggesting so it doesnt make the jumps feel too forced on the intense vocal parts For me this jump flows very well, mixing vocal and instrumental, I see no need to follow just one of them since both are very strong in this session
• 00:11:145 (1,2,3,4) - the 1/2 sliders here also sound like they can be varied, there is a kick on 00:11:330 - and a potential triple at 00:11:886 - so it just feels strange to stick to 1/2 sliders here Fixed
• 00:55:219 (4,5,1) - really big difference in spacing here feels weird to play, can you make the two jumps spaced more similar It is for emphasis on the note with NC
• 01:04:478 - Don't leave sliderends on the downbeats like this, since it starts off a new measure it takes more priority. also guitar, vocal and drum beat here to show that Fixed
• 01:22:997 (3,4,5) - same as 00:55:219 (4,5,1) - Fixed this one
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15:16 Gero: ;_;
15:16 squirrelpascals: oh shit
15:17 squirrelpascals: i was going to message you about burrito
15:24 squirrelpascals: okay ill only go over the stuff thats most important
15:24 squirrelpascals: i have like hald an hour
15:24 squirrelpascals: half
15:24 Gero: it's fine
15:25 Gero: I can wait for you more anyway
15:25 squirrelpascals: 00:05:219 (3,4,1,2,1,2) - i feel like a more 1/1 -based rhythm would fit here because the notes underneath the red ticks aren't obvious
15:25 squirrelpascals: and for 00:06:886 (2) - too
15:25 squirrelpascals: okay cool
15:25 Gero: alright keep going, I'll fix your stuff as well
15:25 squirrelpascals: okay
15:26 squirrelpascals: just tell me when youve fixed it because i wait
15:26 squirrelpascals: unless you want me to just list them one after another
15:27 squirrelpascals: • 00:25:589 (5,1) - spacing seems to get really big here all the sudden, also you should increase the spacing a little here 00:26:330 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - because the drums are louder
15:29 squirrelpascals: • 01:24:478 (3,4) - feel like it's more appropriate for this spacing to be higher because its an intense guitar part here and theres a big vocal yell to go with it
15:29 Gero: about the first two suggestions, I'm not quite agree cause vocals are like being increasing the pitch, that's why I decided to use that patern, 00:05:960 (1,2) - here 1/2 is quite noticiable on the background music, so I'd rather to keep them as they are
15:29 Gero: 00:25:589 (5,1) - Agreed
15:29 Gero: 01:24:478 (3,4) - Agreed as well
15:30 squirrelpascals: ok
15:31 squirrelpascals: 01:02:997 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - this rhythm gets kind of repetitive, can you make some small variation every other beat or something
15:32 squirrelpascals: 00:51:700 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - same
15:32 squirrelpascals: i dont care if its like a kickslider every other beat or something as long as it's a little different
15:33 squirrelpascals: thats the important stuff
15:33 Gero: ugh :( it'll destroy what I wanted to do that was avoiding using a lot of sliders, plus rhythm is basically the same in the whole section, but well, I can try with kicksliders
15:34 squirrelpascals: yeah i see what youre saying
15:34 squirrelpascals: it just gets kinda predicatble
15:36 Gero: for what you're saying, could you give me an example with kick sliders? cause I have no idea what you say
15:36 squirrelpascals: okay
15:37 squirrelpascals: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/Few3Try.png
15:37 squirrelpascals: this would work well because kicksliders are over vocals, and its still symmetrical
15:38 squirrelpascals: at00:52:441 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) -
15:38 Gero: are you sure that it should be fine?
15:38 Gero: D:
15:39 Gero: should I silence the end of those kicksliders as well?
15:39 squirrelpascals: thats just an example
15:39 squirrelpascals: silencing is up to you
15:39 Gero: alright
15:39 Gero: I'll work on that stuff
15:41 squirrelpascals: okay cool
15:41 Gero: is there more stuff that should be fixed?
15:41 squirrelpascals: besides for that not yet
15:42 Gero: gotcha
15:42 Gero: I'll let you know once I get everything done
15:42 squirrelpascals: kk
15:42 Gero: thanks
15:42 squirrelpascals: npnp
squirrelpascals wrote:
Pachiru wrote:
Before it gets requal, don't you think that would be better to rename Polka's diff by Veridian's instead? Just a suggestion since he rename! Good luck on re-qual Gerito
Also "Veridian" is on the tags already.Veridian wrote:
It's a nice name yaknow
But gero do add veridian to the tags if ya can thanks!
Sorry for not replying properly :csquirrelpascals wrote:
armin• 00:11:700 (2,3) - just feels strange to skip over this blue tick with a jump after you mapped the same one at 00:10:034 (3,4,5) - I focused more on the very prominent guitar sounds rather than the drumrolls ^^
• 00:35:960 (1) - downbeat on the slidertail feels like it shoudl naturally be clicked Right, fixed
• 01:14:293 (7) - feels like this slider should start at 01:14:478 - because thats where the bigger and ampped guitar strum starts done
• 01:25:589 (3,4,5) - notes 4,5 feel too vague for a triple to be here imo done
stopping here for tonight, but i got the hard ones done. ill get the rest tomorrow cuz its late8-)
probably better for my formatting anyways LOL
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most of these streams also fail to capture the rather unique drum rhythmehhhhhhhhhhhhhh they're barely audible so it's hard to say, but it's definitely audible that the snare on the blue gets glossed over pretty consistently as i stated in my point about 00:54:756 (2) - etc so using sliders to show that off would be more interesting perhaps?
^this seems to go for most I/X diffs in this set actually I'm aware that it feels a bit overmapped but it's not. Did you actually try to hear it closer? That's why I've asked a lot of friends to help me out if the rhythm I used was the correct for them.
Of course if Gero isn't happy with the difficulty anymore he's free to carry on, but to me this decision felt a bit rushed and not in everyone's best interests.Mir wrote:
hello, caught wind of this earlier
doesn't look like topdiff really changed all that much from what lasse/nao suggested earlier in the thread. Still ignoring 80% of the song and not doing anything with the majority of patterns movement-wise to compensate
The Pure Eye:
- 00:27:441 - 00:32:997 - ignores all the variation of the song/vocals/section changes etc etc and spams literally the same rhythm for 6 seconds. I get you're following the drums but even then you can use some variation by using changes in flow to be linear, wide-angle or whatnot instead of just constantly comfortable angle jumps I don't see what you mean? The direction of those jumps changes every vocal phrase, I'm not sure what you mean by ''no flow changes''
- 00:33:367 - 00:35:960 - Same pretty much except this ignores even more by using an even simpler rhythm and just symmetry that doesn't attempt to show variation through flow changes or anything either :l Can kinda agree with this, fully symmetrical pattern might not be the best choice here
-00:51:145 - the kiai is... just the same thing as the beginning of the map (^ those two sections) like, there's no change at all except for a spacing increase which is kind of underwhelming. The rhythm is basically the same and doesn't really represent the variations of the song at all and despite that there aren't even movement changes to represent it either it's actually in the most literal sense of the phrase "jump spam." Using sliders or using more harsh angles/movement for particular sounds would make for better representation: And the kiai is exactly what the first part of the song is, as you described. The same vocal phrases, but more general intensity. Which is why I can get behind how Gero mapped this. It's pretty simple and logical to me,
honestly.
- 00:55:960 (5,1) - 1/2 slider would be nice here and for most of these patterns Possible, but far from necessary. I would probably not use 1/2 sliders there either since I wouldn't prefer slider-end streams over accentuating the stream properly.
- the snare is just covered up completely with all these triples and is kinda sad when the primary focus seems to be drums 00:54:756 (2) - etc are all given the least amount of emphasis possible. Even this would be better imo: https://i.imgur.com/LyxBFpw.png and be a lot more interesting to play and represent the song in a more fun way Once again, possible but optional. I understand your idea but a triple works fine here too, I understand that not
every mapper wants to overly accentuate weird blue tick snares.
compare 00:56:886 - 00:59:849 - to 00:27:441 - 00:32:997 - and it's basically the same thing even though the song is clearly different. I think honestly the map could use a lot of work both rhythmically and with movement. The stacking of the triples make the same movement every single time they're used it just gets boring and repetitive and just generally not fun to play at all. I feel you're cherrypicking one rhythm here and using it as an argument against the entire map, while the map does offer a lot of other patterns that represent different sections of the song differently. Take for example 00:45:219 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,1) - or 00:38:923 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4) - .
basically my issue with the topdiff is it just doesn't even follow the song, like unironically. I don't think should be ranked in its current state at all
Yeah so I don't think your reasons for the veto are thought out very well, you weigh your own opinion a little too much in the process since you basically take a few rhythms and say ''well. based on this the entire map is jumps, so it doesn't follow the song'' while the map clearly doesn't exist out of only one type of pattern. I think this should be discussed, rather than blatantly proceeding to push the map without the difficulty just because one party dislikes it.
ps. to clarify yes this is a veto for now
Of course, if Gero isn't happy with the difficulty he can totally carry on, but if he wants to discuss and perhaps change some things or find a compromise I think that would also lead somewhere. As it is though, I stand by my decision.Voli wrote:
What happened here?Of course if Gero isn't happy with the difficulty anymore he's free to carry on, but to me this decision felt a bit rushed and not in everyone's best interests.Mir wrote:
hello, caught wind of this earlier
doesn't look like topdiff really changed all that much from what lasse/nao suggested earlier in the thread. Still ignoring 80% of the song and not doing anything with the majority of patterns movement-wise to compensate
The Pure Eye:
- 00:27:441 - 00:32:997 - ignores all the variation of the song/vocals/section changes etc etc and spams literally the same rhythm for 6 seconds. I get you're following the drums but even then you can use some variation by using changes in flow to be linear, wide-angle or whatnot instead of just constantly comfortable angle jumps I don't see what you mean? The direction of those jumps changes every vocal phrase, I'm not sure what you mean by ''no flow changes'' Sorry, by using "flow" I suppose it could be confused with "rotation" somehow. What I meant was the type of movement. The map generally overall everywhere except for key places like 00:37:997 (1,2,3) - use consistently comfortably angled jumps without much variation. That along with the constant stopping of the stacked triples pretty much everywhere resetting the rotation sometimes not even changing the rotation itself: 00:16:886 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - 00:19:849 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - etc. I mean making more emphatic direction/movement changes like https://i.imgur.com/Cf7v4rW.jpg or https://i.imgur.com/kGI1LUv.jpg (not necessarily in that timestamp but the idea at least is visible there).
-00:51:145 - the kiai is... just the same thing as the beginning of the map (^ those two sections) like, there's no change at all except for a spacing increase which is kind of underwhelming. The rhythm is basically the same and doesn't really represent the variations of the song at all and despite that there aren't even movement changes to represent it either it's actually in the most literal sense of the phrase "jump spam." Using sliders or using more harsh angles/movement for particular sounds would make for better representation: And the kiai is exactly what the first part of the song is, as you described. The same vocal phrases, but more general intensity. Which is why I can get behind how Gero mapped this. It's pretty simple and logical to me,
honestly. Uhhhh this part is unique to the kiai 00:56:886 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - and is mapped the same as 00:27:349 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - so I'm not sure how it's exactly the same as the first part of the song. At least some sort of different movement could be used but it's still comfortably angled jumps with stationary triples. You could even make triples like this: https://i.imgur.com/XqxlqlU.jpg and it would be more interesting and differentiated from the other sections. Imo the whole kiai could use custom stacked triples just to vary from the non-kiai parts but yeah that's just one option you could do.
- 00:55:960 (5,1) - 1/2 slider would be nice here and for most of these patterns Possible, but far from necessary. I would probably not use 1/2 sliders there either since I wouldn't prefer slider-end streams over accentuating the stream properly.Of course, it was only a suggestion to illustrate what I mean when I say variation. Having pretty much all circles (while that is the idea) really limits what you can do if you don't use more emphatic movement that I described above.
- the snare is just covered up completely with all these triples and is kinda sad when the primary focus seems to be drums 00:54:756 (2) - etc are all given the least amount of emphasis possible. Even this would be better imo: https://i.imgur.com/LyxBFpw.png and be a lot more interesting to play and represent the song in a more fun way Once again, possible but optional. I understand your idea but a triple works fine here too, I understand that not
every mapper wants to overly accentuate weird blue tick snares. I can accept if Gero wants to ignore this, it was merely a suggestion to further promote variation. In no way am I forcing this upon him.
compare 00:56:886 - 00:59:849 - to 00:27:441 - 00:32:997 - and it's basically the same thing even though the song is clearly different. I think honestly the map could use a lot of work both rhythmically and with movement. The stacking of the triples make the same movement every single time they're used it just gets boring and repetitive and just generally not fun to play at all. I feel you're cherrypicking one rhythm here and using it as an argument against the entire map, while the map does offer a lot of other patterns that represent different sections of the song differently. Take for example 00:45:219 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,1) - or 00:38:923 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4) - . This...
isn't even the example I gave? Tell me how the points I made are invalid and those two parts are different from each other. Those parts you linked are clearly different and representing the song yes, I'm not going to deny that as those parts were never the parts in question in the first place. :l
basically my issue with the topdiff is it just doesn't even follow the song, like unironically. I don't think should be ranked in its current state at all
Yeah so I don't think your reasons for the veto are thought out very well, you weigh your own opinion a little too much in the process since you basically take a few rhythms and say ''well. based on this the entire map is jumps, so it doesn't follow the song'' while the map clearly doesn't exist out of only one type of pattern. I think this should be discussed, rather than blatantly proceeding to push the map without the difficulty just because one party dislikes it."One party dislikes it": p/6205484 p/6205801 p/6210078 p/6210336 yeah I don't think so lol. It isn't just my opinion being weighed here, it's after reading everyone's posts of the thread multiple times and coming to this conclusion. I'm not the only one who's expressed disapproval and the other BNs that modded the set (and the DQing party) pointed out the same things. There's been a lot of discussion and disapproval over the topdiff so I don't see where you're coming from by saying I'm the only one that disagrees. There's also been a lot of discussion over the difficulty if you just read the thread.
I am willing to discuss it further no problem, that's the responsibility I take by placing a veto. The problem with the map's fundamental idea is it creates a mainly copy-pasted rhythm in the parts in question and the kiai in general. I mean I don't really want to link the whole kiai but you can clearly see its' like triple + 2 circles + triple + 2 circles constantly with some 1/4 sliders/5 note streams (which is fine btw, I don't have problems with the 5plets). The 1/4 sliders play the same as triples anyways and as far as I can see don't really follow anything specific? Vocals? 00:51:886 (3) - isn't a 1/4 slider while 00:54:108 (3) - is? I think I have my reasons, and calling them not thought out like when you veto'd Routing is starting to tick me off, because who are you to decide whether or not I thought out my points?
ps. to clarify yes this is a veto for now