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Nanahoshi Kangengakudan - anoko dokonoko

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kwk
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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, 20 November 2017 at 12:02:07 p.m.

Artist: Nanahoshi Kangengakudan
Title: anoko dokonoko
Tags: FujunIseiKouyuuP hujuniseikouyuup 不純異性交遊p Vocaloid Megpoid Gumi rizen Iwami Takashi 岩見陸 where's that girl from
BPM: 132
Filesize: 5543kb
Play Time: 03:15
Difficulties Available:
  1. Extra (5.78 stars, 1020 notes)
  2. Hard (2.99 stars, 540 notes)
  3. Insane (4.34 stars, 856 notes)
  4. Normal (1.99 stars, 299 notes)
  5. Rizen's Extra (5.18 stars, 846 notes)
Download: Nanahoshi Kangengakudan - anoko dokonoko
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#2
double bpm

X-Rizen

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Bursthammy
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Joined May 2015
Bursthammy
here are my thoughts on the extra

Unbelievably fun map, high CS allows for cursor aim leniency on patterns like 00:06:730 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - which is great, absolutely love em.

00:28:207 (1,2,1,2) - Watch out for sharp alternating jumps like these, these are REALLY tough to hit consistently, so sparing use of them is recommended.

00:40:935 (1,2,3) - These are a better example of the above, since the slider leniency makes it way more forgiving to hit these compared to the above patterns.

01:33:662 (1,2,1,2,1) - Again, a more forgiving example of the first alternating jumps, because the cursor direction between each (1,2) are the same, it gives the player a much easier time preparing their movement to hit the zigzag pattern, unlike 00:28:207 (1,2,1,2) which completely changes the direction making it awkward.

02:17:411 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Yikes this one is super tough.

i dont really know what point i was trying to make here except that i absolutely love this map and can't wait for the rest of the spread LMAO

gl
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Weber wrote:

here are my thoughts on the extra

Unbelievably fun map, high CS allows for cursor aim leniency on patterns like 00:06:730 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - which is great, absolutely love em.

00:28:207 (1,2,1,2) - Watch out for sharp alternating jumps like these, these are REALLY tough to hit consistently, so sparing use of them is recommended.
:arrow: yeah im intending to just change the patterning here cause it doesnt really fit with the rest of the map
00:40:935 (1,2,3) - These are a better example of the above, since the slider leniency makes it way more forgiving to hit these compared to the above patterns.

01:33:662 (1,2,1,2,1) - Again, a more forgiving example of the first alternating jumps, because the cursor direction between each (1,2) are the same, it gives the player a much easier time preparing their movement to hit the zigzag pattern, unlike 00:28:207 (1,2,1,2) which completely changes the direction making it awkward. :arrow: same with this one as well

02:17:411 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Yikes this one is super tough. :arrow: depends on the player i think, ive seen people FC this ezpz no problems lol

i dont really know what point i was trying to make here except that i absolutely love this map and can't wait for the rest of the spread LMAO

gl
thanks for the kind words! i'll try and finish the set lol
Deramok
213 posts
Joined February 2012
Deramok
random mod from modreq

extra
  1. 00:02:525 (5,4) - 00:06:162 (4,5) - same sounds, different focus. might want to make them the same
  2. 00:07:071 (5,6) - having a sharp angle like this in here doesn't really resonate with anything i think, nothing calls for it as it's a constant arpeggio. so making the first curve rounder culd counteract that a bit by making the it smoother and as such more coherent
  3. 00:10:025 (1,2,3,4) - would use a larger spacing from 3 to 4 the same way you did it with 1 to 2. could place 3 in the blanket of 4 for that
  4. 00:11:389 (3) - this one falls out of place because it's the only one of these 00:10:935 (1,2,3,4) - that only has one held vocal on (with a fast drum triple on the end but you don't map those usually anyway) it while the other have two distinct ones each. but it doesn't reflect that, on the opposite it assimilates it by being a mirror of 4. possible fixes could be either just replacing it by a circle or replacing the other ones with circles which would however not work too well with th ecurrent placing unless you want a 2on2 split, which seems uncharacteristic atm.
  5. 00:13:207 (1) - i see what it goes by. i merely find it a bit underwhelming to not map the vocals on this
  6. 00:16:844 (5) - also would keep this as notes since it takes away from 6 being a held note by covering two vocals, which the previous notes did via notes as well
  7. 00:19:116 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this whole sequence is a bit odd. first off 2 doesn't really need a note even if the bass guitar has something on it, using a 1/2 slider on 1 packs more impact which is worth it imo especially with 00:20:139 (7) - skipping a kick even. also because of 7, 5 should be of the same nature as it covers the same kick with it's tail that 7 skips. while btw, 7 has a reinstancing vocal on it's red, so making that one a 1/4 makes more sense. if you do that keeping 5 as is makes more sense as well as it covers another vowel transition
  8. 00:41:844 (1) - nothing wrong really but i feel like pointing out how this one has a continued synth on it as opposed to the held one on the others. not sure if it was overlooked or intentionally ignored for the sake of the vocals, which would be fine.
  9. 00:43:207 (5) - for the vocals i think it would it way better if this was a note plus slider instead. a pattern like http://puu.sh/xk026/429bc188c2.jpg could still capture the snare as well, but the specific pattern in teh image doesn't really work with the map so far i guess. something more similar to 00:41:275 (3,1,2) - should work though
  10. 00:43:548 (1,3) - the notes on the slider ends of those should be clickable since those are what makes the similarity of 00:44:116 (1,2) - viable. http://puu.sh/xk09x/b552deda9f.jpg is possible but a slider on 1 and 2 is an option too. most important is the 3 ont he blue
  11. 00:45:366 (3,4) - for consistency with the first part this should be a 3/4 slider. fits better anyway imo again for differentiation and there not being any important sound on the tail. and as opposed to 00:47:185 (1,2) - it's a held rather than a cut vocal which btw doesn't apply to 00:39:912 (3) - , meaning that this one could also profit from being longer. makes for more varied and interesting rhythms too
  12. 00:53:662 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - since i'm not a fan of that early filler with the triple just before it being skipped (same in 00:59:116 (1,2,3) - )and the rhythm in the end of this segment i'd like to bring up an alternative rhythm to take into concideration http://puu.sh/xk0sJ/5d7b3c3ad3.jpg
  13. 01:02:298 (5,6,7,8) - i'd at least make this one not one curve since it consists of two different instruments. just flipping around the first two notes or making the frist three a straight would suffice already
  14. 01:03:549 (2) - neither trumpet not vocals have a note here. so just having another 1/4 slider instead might be better even with the kick. otherwise there'd be the option of stacking the notes on top of each other but appart from the slider head like you did it earlier in the map.
  15. 01:03:889 (4) - is the oposite though as it is just like the other vocal-trumpet triples just before it just with a kick on top of it's start. a kick which isn't established as something to be on a slider due to 01:03:549 (2) - already at that
  16. 01:05:025 (3,1) - could really take another note in between (similar to 02:24:571 (1,2) - )
  17. 01:09:798 (4,1) - first the note, then the slider as quite apparent throught he guitar and mapped as such in01:11:616 (4,5) -
  18. 01:12:639 (5) - 01:13:094 (4) - what's up with the uneven spacing
  19. 01:23:207 (3) - since you have a break over vocals afterwards it might be better to prioritize the snare on the end of this with clickability over the vocal
  20. 01:45:935 (1) - as opposed to the occasions int eh previous chorus, the vocals don't start here but a tick later, so it should be mapped accordingly either with a sharp angle from it or by making the previous slider longer if you don't care to have the snare clickable. concdering you did this 01:52:980 (5) - , probably the latter of the two. also the points about the first transition and longer slider options from the previous chorus also go for here and in the next one ofc if you do find them reasonabl enough to implement
  21. 02:08:207 - would be nice as an intro to the solo to start up again with these imo
  22. 02:11:048 (4,7,2,3,4) - stacking
  23. 02:11:844 (1,2,3) - basically the same sound twice, so i'd also map them the same, as two 1/4 sliders
  24. 02:14:912 (1,2) - nc on 2 instead as 1 still still part of the previous set of notes, although transitioning as already reflected by spacing. it's also signified by the drum
  25. 02:20:253 (2) - this one slider should be a 3/6 one without repeat as it is quite audibly missing that one note. makes the whole pattern a little more interesting too
  26. 02:23:548 (4) - i'd also remove the repeat, making it a simple slider here and map notes instead as they clearly belong to the following sequence that is mapped in notes already
  27. 02:58:662 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i think i made that notion on a previous occurance of the ryhthm already too http://puu.sh/xk1I9/31d0adb94d.jpg
  28. 03:08:662 (3,1) - 03:05:935 (1,2) - are also reoccurances
  29. 03:11:616 (7,1) - following the guitar 7 takes a note in front of it. could also skip the downbeat and make it a 1/2. otherwise you could make it as you did in the beginning if you didn't change that.
can't complain on the flow side of things

insane
  1. 00:10:025 (1,2) - 01:15:480 (1,2) - 01:21:844 (5,6,7) - stacking
  2. 00:16:844 (6) - no real reason to go 1/2 here, is there? if anywhere i'd rather see one on 00:16:162 (3) - . i guess the drums are the indicator?
  3. 00:31:844 (1,2,3,4) - 01:37:298 (1,2,3,4) - these are confusing in what they are following. the long slider implies vocal skips but the sliders do the oposite
  4. 01:45:935 (1) - 01:53:207 (1) - same issue as in the top diff with delayed vocals
  5. 02:23:548 (4) - also same as in the top diff
  6. 02:27:980 (6,1) - this gap appears very out of place looking at all the other instances of the rhythm
the rest of the diff serves it's purpose i guess even i can't get behind a number of things personally

hard - not sure but the 1/2 perfect stacks might be a problem at this pace in a hard

normal
  1. 00:01:844 (3,1) - putting notes in blankets right after a slider is not adviced in normals as it encourages letting go of the previous slider too early
  2. 02:10:480 (2,3,4,1) - i don't think it's a good idea to have so many 1/4 gaps consecutively in a normal, especially if it's the lowest diff and if the song doesn't specifically call for it as players are still getting used to slider mechanics

ok
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Deramok wrote:

random mod from modreq

extra
  1. 00:02:525 (5,4) - 00:06:162 (4,5) - same sounds, different focus. might want to make them the same :arrow: sure
  2. 00:07:071 (5,6) - having a sharp angle like this in here doesn't really resonate with anything i think, nothing calls for it as it's a constant arpeggio. so making the first curve rounder culd counteract that a bit by making the it smoother and as such more coherent :arrow: mm you do make a point, i changed the patterning, dont know if you exactly agree with it but its probably at least better to reflect the music
  3. 00:10:025 (1,2,3,4) - would use a larger spacing from 3 to 4 the same way you did it with 1 to 2. could place 3 in the blanket of 4 for thatincreased the spacing here
  4. 00:11:389 (3) - this one falls out of place because it's the only one of these 00:10:935 (1,2,3,4) - that only has one held vocal on (with a fast drum triple on the end but you don't map those usually anyway) it while the other have two distinct ones each. but it doesn't reflect that, on the opposite it assimilates it by being a mirror of 4. possible fixes could be either just replacing it by a circle or replacing the other ones with circles which would however not work too well with th ecurrent placing unless you want a 2on2 split, which seems uncharacteristic atm. :arrow: changed (3) to 2 circles
  5. 00:13:207 (1) - i see what it goes by. i merely find it a bit underwhelming to not map the vocals on this :arrow: 00:13:094 are you talking about this? im open to rhythm suggestions here,if your referring to the 1/2 slider then i changed spacing a bit to give it a bit more emphasis
  6. 00:16:844 (5) - also would keep this as notes since it takes away from 6 being a held note by covering two vocals, which the previous notes did via notes as well :arrow: 00:16:844 (5) is this not also a held note?
  7. 00:19:116 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this whole sequence is a bit odd. first off 2 doesn't really need a note even if the bass guitar has something on it, using a 1/2 slider on 1 packs more impact which is worth it imo especially with 00:20:139 (7) - skipping a kick even. also because of 7, 5 should be of the same nature as it covers the same kick with it's tail that 7 skips. while btw, 7 has a reinstancing vocal on it's red, so making that one a 1/4 makes more sense. if you do that keeping 5 as is makes more sense as well as it covers another vowel transition :arrow: changed the rhythm here, would have been grateful if there was a visual example here of your rhythm suggestion cause my head hurt trying to follow all the numbers lol
  8. 00:41:844 (1) - nothing wrong really but i feel like pointing out how this one has a continued synth on it as opposed to the held one on the others. not sure if it was overlooked or intentionally ignored for the sake of the vocals, which would be fine. :arrow: its more ignored for the sake of the patterning
  9. 00:43:207 (5) - for the vocals i think it would it way better if this was a note plus slider instead. a pattern like http://puu.sh/xk026/429bc188c2.jpg could still capture the snare as well, but the specific pattern in teh image doesn't really work with the map so far i guess. something more similar to 00:41:275 (3,1,2) - should work thoughtook your rhythm, initially i when i was mapping i didnt want to end streams on even # of circles but in the end i guess it doesnt matter cause i do that repeatedly later on anyway
  10. 00:43:548 (1,3) - the notes on the slider ends of those should be clickable since those are what makes the similarity of 00:44:116 (1,2) - viable. http://puu.sh/xk09x/b552deda9f.jpg is possible but a slider on 1 and 2 is an option too. most important is the 3 ont he blue :arrow: took ur rhythm
  11. 00:45:366 (3,4) - for consistency with the first part this should be a 3/4 slider. fits better anyway imo again for differentiation and there not being any important sound on the tail. and as opposed to 00:47:185 (1,2) - it's a held rather than a cut vocal which btw doesn't apply to 00:39:912 (3) - , meaning that this one could also profit from being longer. makes for more varied and interesting rhythms too :arrow: 00:47:185 (1,2) - i changed this but other instances i think are both valid rhythm choices
  12. 00:53:662 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - since i'm not a fan of that early filler with the triple just before it being skipped (same in 00:59:116 (1,2,3) - )and the rhythm in the end of this segment i'd like to bring up an alternative rhythm to take into concideration http://puu.sh/xk0sJ/5d7b3c3ad3.jpg :arrow: sorry im having trouble figuring out where your rhythm even begins from..
  13. 01:02:298 (5,6,7,8) - i'd at least make this one not one curve since it consists of two different instruments. just flipping around the first two notes or making the frist three a straight would suffice already :arrow: tried something here, dunno if its better or not
  14. 01:03:549 (2) - neither trumpet not vocals have a note here. so just having another 1/4 slider instead might be better even with the kick. otherwise there'd be the option of stacking the notes on top of each other but appart from the slider head like you did it earlier in the map. :arrow: changed to 1/4
  15. 01:03:889 (4) - is the oposite though as it is just like the other vocal-trumpet triples just before it just with a kick on top of it's start. a kick which isn't established as something to be on a slider due to 01:03:549 (2) - already at that :arrow: are you suggesting for me to change this? not really following
  16. 01:05:025 (3,1) - could really take another note in between (similar to 02:24:571 (1,2) - ) :arrow: sure
  17. 01:09:798 (4,1) - first the note, then the slider as quite apparent throught he guitar and mapped as such in01:11:616 (4,5) - :arrow: made it consistent with the first section
  18. 01:12:639 (5) - 01:13:094 (4) - what's up with the uneven spacing :arrow: changed patterning here
  19. 01:23:207 (3) - since you have a break over vocals afterwards it might be better to prioritize the snare on the end of this with clickability over the vocal :arrow: sure
  20. 01:45:935 (1) - as opposed to the occasions int eh previous chorus, the vocals don't start here but a tick later, so it should be mapped accordingly either with a sharp angle from it or by making the previous slider longer if you don't care to have the snare clickable. concdering you did this 01:52:980 (5) - , probably the latter of the two. also the points about the first transition and longer slider options from the previous chorus also go for here and in the next one ofc if you do find them reasonabl enough to implement :arrow: picked the latter
  21. 02:08:207 - would be nice as an intro to the solo to start up again with these imo :arrow: i'll think about it
  22. 02:11:048 (4,7,2,3,4) - stacking
  23. 02:11:844 (1,2,3) - basically the same sound twice, so i'd also map them the same, as two 1/4 sliders :arrow: dont think its necessary since its rather faint tbh, i think mapping it as circles is a better option to emphasize the guitar sounds since these could just be considered filler beats
  24. 02:14:912 (1,2) - nc on 2 instead as 1 still still part of the previous set of notes, although transitioning as already reflected by spacing. it's also signified by the drum :arrow: sure
  25. 02:20:253 (2) - this one slider should be a 3/6 one without repeat as it is quite audibly missing that one note. makes the whole pattern a little more interesting too :arrow: 3/6..? a 1/2 slider?
  26. 02:23:548 (4) - i'd also remove the repeat, making it a simple slider here and map notes instead as they clearly belong to the following sequence that is mapped in notes already :arrow: maybe i'll change it but i quite like how 02:23:775 gets emphasised because of the repeat
  27. 02:58:662 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i think i made that notion on a previous occurance of the ryhthm already too http://puu.sh/xk1I9/31d0adb94d.jpg
  28. 03:08:662 (3,1) - 03:05:935 (1,2) - are also reoccurances :arrow: 02:59:116 (3) - i think its important for this to be clickable tbh since its rather significant
  29. 03:11:616 (7,1) - following the guitar 7 takes a note in front of it. could also skip the downbeat and make it a 1/2. otherwise you could make it as you did in the beginning if you didn't change that. :arrow: sure
can't complain on the flow side of things

insane
  1. 00:10:025 (1,2) - 01:15:480 (1,2) - 01:21:844 (5,6,7) - stacking
  2. 00:16:844 (6) - no real reason to go 1/2 here, is there? if anywhere i'd rather see one on 00:16:162 (3) - . i guess the drums are the indicator? :arrow: yeah ,though both are valid rhythm choices
  3. 00:31:844 (1,2,3,4) - 01:37:298 (1,2,3,4) - these are confusing in what they are following. the long slider implies vocal skips but the sliders do the oposite :arrow: not sure what you mean here since i dont i skipped any of the vocal parts
  4. 01:45:935 (1) - 01:53:207 (1) - same issue as in the top diff with delayed vocals :arrow: i dont think its really that important.i think the 5 note streams are inuitive to grasp and should feel strange when playing
  5. 02:23:548 (4) - also same as in the top diff :arrow: also same as top diff
  6. 02:27:980 (6,1) - this gap appears very out of place looking at all the other instances of the rhythm :arrow: filled it with a slider
the rest of the diff serves it's purpose i guess even i can't get behind a number of things personally

hard - not sure but the 1/2 perfect stacks might be a problem at this pace in a hard :arrow: i'll change it if its necessary i guess

normal
  1. 00:01:844 (3,1) - putting notes in blankets right after a slider is not adviced in normals as it encourages letting go of the previous slider too early :arrow: well idk, i'll see how it goes since thats like a good portion of the map lol
  2. 02:10:480 (2,3,4,1) - i don't think it's a good idea to have so many 1/4 gaps consecutively in a normal, especially if it's the lowest diff and if the song doesn't specifically call for it as players are still getting used to slider mechanics :arrow: changed the rhythm since it wasnt correct in the first place anyway

ok
thanks for the mod Deramok! totally wasnt expecting anything good from modreqs but it turned out to be pretty helpful!
Daniel-
13 posts
Joined December 2013
Daniel-
Just wanna say thanks, the extra is really fun to play, good job
WORSTPOLACKEU
511 posts
Joined May 2013
WORSTPOLACKEU
I love this map, it's amazing!
Have a star ^^
Itsue
11 posts
Joined September 2014
Itsue
so much fun
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk
thanks for the comments everyone!

@WORSTPOLACKEU/Simuzax thank you for your stars!
Hectic
514 posts
Joined August 2015
Hectic
hi, m4m here
cs3 for life

  1. gap between nsane and xtra is far too big, i think you should fill this gap
normal:
  1. aimod pls
  2. 00:14:457 (2,3) - blanket could be improved
  3. 00:16:844 (3,4) - perhaps make this a blanket? would look better visually, cause now it seems like it tries to be a blanket
  4. 00:18:094 (5,6) - align maybe?
  5. 00:29:571 (3,2) - it may be subjective, but i would avoid such things, that look like blankets, but they are not blankets
  6. 01:34:457 (2,3,1) - whats happening with ds between those?
  7. 02:10:480 (2) - i don't think beginner would read this

    Everything is cool, but I often notice weird angles on straight sliders, like 02:59:116 (1) - 01:44:571 (4) - 01:46:390 (1) - 01:48:208 (1) - it may be just my vision, and also sometimes it seems that you force yourself to make equal visual distance between objects, like 02:19:571 (2,3,4) - (4) headed this way just to be close to (3). Thats also may be just my preference, but wanted to share it anyway
hard:
  1. 00:11:162 (4,5) - https://i.imgur.com/Bw2ACpz.png i know its not technically 1/2 in that case, but rc written for ~180 bpm song, and this song is doublebpm, so if feels like 1/2. actually, i don't think this kind of overlap is allowed for any gaps because of reading problems at this skill level. Not sure about all of this, but definitely deserves deliberation
  2. 01:09:571 (5,1) - i don't this overlap looks good
  3. 01:36:616 (4,5) - distance between those is a bit bleh
  4. 01:36:843 (5,1) - blanket could be better
  5. 01:54:116 (2,3,4) - 01:55:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - way you treat 1/4 gaps in these cases is different. Maybe stick to one option? So low skill level players wont struggle with reading
  6. 02:10:707 (1,2,3) - would be better if made (2) look the same distance apart from (1) and (3)
  7. 02:21:617 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - thats pretty cool, but i don't think appropriate for "hard" diff. not that kind of diff where you want to challenge player's readability
insane:
  1. you could go with stack latiency 3 here, it wont ruin anything
  2. 00:21:844 - i think would be better if you represented guitar here
  3. 02:46:844 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - honestly don't quite understand why you spaced them like that. maybe just make like previous stream?
  4. 02:55:025 (6,1) - stack properly?
xtra:
  1. 00:07:412 (4,1) - if we follow your logic, you should swap these ncs. And overall, i think this pattern is pretty cool, but can you make it a bit more readable? :<
  2. 02:13:207 (1,2) - guitar between those is really noticable, perhaps make here a triple?
  3. 02:46:844 (1,2,3,4,1) - this flow is kinda too sudden for this map, after so many linear streams? :c
Ok, it seems pretty cool, maybe some polishment on lower diffs wouldn't hurt. I'll shoot a star. Good luck with it!
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

h4d0uk3n1 wrote:

hi, m4m here
cs3 for life

  1. gap between nsane and xtra is far too big, i think you should fill this gap :arrow: waiting on rizen
normal:
  1. aimod pls :arrow: they should fix ctrl+c/v issue zz
  2. 00:14:457 (2,3) - blanket could be improved :arrow: ya
  3. 00:16:844 (3,4) - perhaps make this a blanket? would look better visually, cause now it seems like it tries to be a blanket :arrow: ya
  4. 00:18:094 (5,6) - align maybe? :arrow: ya
  5. 00:29:571 (3,2) - it may be subjective, but i would avoid such things, that look like blankets, but they are not blankets :arrow: they are mistakes cause blanketing properly is hard
  6. 01:34:457 (2,3,1) - whats happening with ds between those? :arrow: i have no clue, but its probably something i forgot to change when i changed the sv
  7. 02:10:480 (2) - i don't think beginner would read this :arrow: well bn recommended me this rhythm so i just went with it lol

    Everything is cool, but I often notice weird angles on straight sliders, like 02:59:116 (1) - 01:44:571 (4) - 01:46:390 (1) - 01:48:208 (1) - it may be just my vision, and also sometimes it seems that you force yourself to make equal visual distance between objects, like 02:19:571 (2,3,4) - (4) headed this way just to be close to (3). Thats also may be just my preference, but wanted to share it anyway :arrow: ya, my mapping style for lower diffs
hard:
  1. 00:11:162 (4,5) - https://i.imgur.com/Bw2ACpz.png i know its not technically 1/2 in that case, but rc written for ~180 bpm song, and this song is doublebpm, so if feels like 1/2. actually, i don't think this kind of overlap is allowed for any gaps because of reading problems at this skill level. Not sure about all of this, but definitely deserves deliberation :arrow: i up'd the leniency
  2. 01:09:571 (5,1) - i don't this overlap looks good :arrow: i changed it a bit dunno if you would think its better or not though
  3. 01:36:616 (4,5) - distance between those is a bit bleh :arrow: changed it a bit?
  4. 01:36:843 (5,1) - blanket could be better :arrow: sure
  5. 01:54:116 (2,3,4) - 01:55:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - way you treat 1/4 gaps in these cases is different. Maybe stick to one option? So low skill level players wont struggle with reading :arrow: i dont really think its an issue though since both options are used throughout the map
  6. 02:10:707 (1,2,3) - would be better if made (2) look the same distance apart from (1) and (3)
  7. 02:21:617 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - thats pretty cool, but i don't think appropriate for "hard" diff. not that kind of diff where you want to challenge player's readability :arrow: it wasnt suppose to be hard to read,and i dont think its hard to read either
insane:
  1. you could go with stack latiency 3 here, it wont ruin anything :arrow: sure
  2. 00:21:844 - i think would be better if you represented guitar here :arrow: changed rhythm, now it might be hard to read :?
  3. 02:46:844 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - honestly don't quite understand why you spaced them like that. maybe just make like previous stream? :arrow: emphasis! since it is the climax of that phrase
  4. 02:55:025 (6,1) - stack properly? :arrow: mapped for 2 years still cant stack properly
xtra:
  1. 00:07:412 (4,1) - if we follow your logic, you should swap these ncs. And overall, i think this pattern is pretty cool, but can you make it a bit more readable? :< :arrow: you can see the approach circles, its fine! swapped ncs
  2. 02:13:207 (1,2) - guitar between those is really noticable, perhaps make here a triple? :arrow: :arrow: no never!!!, not a fan of introducing 1/8 rhythms into alt maps ever, though if this gets brought up again then i can shorten the slider and add a repeat 1/8 slider
  3. 02:46:844 (1,2,3,4,1) - this flow is kinda too sudden for this map, after so many linear streams? :c :arrow: its meant to be, so drums get emphasised
Ok, it seems pretty cool, maybe some polishment on lower diffs wouldn't hurt. I'll shoot a star. Good luck with it!
thanks for the mod/star h4d0uk3n1!
Ametrin
717 posts
Joined May 2012
Ametrin
hi~
nm from my q

[Extra]
cs3 is ok , but the ds you chose to keep is kinda small, which makes this diff seems a bit crowded... i think cs3.3 or 3.5 could be better

00:02:525 (5,1) - blanket
00:12:525 (4,5) - try a 1/2 slider make more sense
00:12:980 (7,1,2) - you were following vocal through this part, and you should insist on that imo
01:03:663 (2,3) - i'll make a triple here to keep consistent with 01:02:525 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . maybe just put two note stack with 3
01:05:480 (1,2) - put at 400|8, same direction as 01:05:935 (3,4) -
01:08:094 - you ignored this sound :? that's not good imo since players gonna click every sound they hear when playing such single tapping map (or just me orz)
01:09:912 - and here
01:12:299 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - not agree with your nc choice here... 3 absolutely deserve a nc
01:35:025 (1) - why not symmetrical
02:23:378 - don't ignore this 1/8. that's awsome
02:51:162 (3) - stop at 02:51:503 - ? there's no soud at 02:51:389 -

[Hard]
00:07:525 (5) - why not just made it repeat twice
00:12:639 (3) - feels a bit weird as you start this at a blue tick, which barely has no sound...
00:19:571 (2,5) - plz avoid unnecessary overlap x_x
00:22:753 - 00:37:071 - actually I can't find a consistent idea at this part... sometimes you follow the vocal but sometimes you just ignored it
other part almost the same so im lazy xd

quick mod ends here (run
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Ametrin wrote:

hi~
nm from my q

[Extra]
cs3 is ok , but the ds you chose to keep is kinda small, which makes this diff seems a bit crowded... i think cs3.3 or 3.5 could be better :arrow: entire set is cs3, dont want to break theme

00:02:525 (5,1) - blanket :arrow: idk how you notice this
00:12:525 (4,5) - try a 1/2 slider make more sense :arrow: it was 1/2 slider before but then i wanted to not skip the drum kick.. i'll change it back cause yeah you are right
00:12:980 (7,1,2) - you were following vocal through this part, and you should insist on that imo :arrow: i think i am? not sure what makes you think i am not following vocal
01:03:663 (2,3) - i'll make a triple here to keep consistent with 01:02:525 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . maybe just put two note stack with 3 :arrow: i made 3 into 2 notes which might not be what your looking for but it made more sense to me since 3 had 2 audible beats to it
01:05:480 (1,2) - put at 400|8, same direction as 01:05:935 (3,4) - :arrow: not sure what u mean here..
01:08:094 - you ignored this sound :? that's not good imo since players gonna click every sound they hear when playing such single tapping map (or just me orz)
01:09:912 - and here :arrow: well this sound has been consistently been ignored throughout the set 00:02:639 00:04:344 (4) - 00:06:162 (4) - etc i want to include 1/2 slider into this section and this is the only polace it really fits imo
01:12:299 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - not agree with your nc choice here... 3 absolutely deserve a nc :arrow: im not sure, i can either split it into two NC groups or three, and i settled on 3 cause it made more sense since theres 3 DS changes
01:35:025 (1) - why not symmetrical :arrow: sure
02:23:378 - don't ignore this 1/8. that's awsome :arrow: 1/8's are not awesome though
02:51:162 (3) - stop at 02:51:503 - ? there's no soud at 02:51:389 - :arrow: prefer to keep the vocal beats clickable

[Hard]
00:07:525 (5) - why not just made it repeat twice :arrow: maybe, but i dont see whats wrong with what it is now
00:12:639 (3) - feels a bit weird as you start this at a blue tick, which barely has no sound... :arrow: drum kick, theres a lot of blue tick kicks in the song
00:19:571 (2,5) - plz avoid unnecessary overlap x_x
00:22:753 - 00:37:071 - actually I can't find a consistent idea at this part... sometimes you follow the vocal but sometimes you just ignored it
other part almost the same so im lazy xd :arrow: yeah this difficulty is a bit strange if you look at it after seeing extra/insane since those diffs focus on vocals but the normal/hard focus on drum rhythm mainly cause its simpler. if you listen closely to drums then rhythm is rather obvious.

quick mod ends here (run
thanks for modding Ametrin!
Seijiro
osu! Alumni
3,438 posts
Joined April 2013
Seijiro
a bit of a spread talk and small suggestions on Hard mainly

super duper logs
00:18 kwk: hey, can i get your opinion on my maps diff spread?
00:18 MrSergio: which map?
00:18 *kwk is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1387233 Nanahoshi Kangengakudan - Ano Ko Doko no Ko]
00:18 kwk: mainly n-h-i
00:19 MrSergio: sr-wise the jump I X is kinda big lol
00:20 kwk: yeah i know
00:20 kwk: dunno when rizen will save me
00:21 MrSergio: I will assume you kept things consistent so I will just check till first kiai
00:21 MrSergio: to make it quicker
00:23 MrSergio: umh... some parts on the Hard might be a bit too complex
00:23 MrSergio: 00:06:844 (2,3,4,5,6) - please
00:24 MrSergio: 00:34:344 - you could use a beat imo
00:25 MrSergio: 00:35:025 (4,5) - stuff like this works better if you move the slider on the white tick and leave the gap, since it's kidna complex here
00:25 MrSergio: 00:35:025 - [https://i.imgur.com/d7ZV235.png what I mean]
00:26 kwk: mm i see
00:26 MrSergio: 00:41:844 (4) - could work a bit better with just a circle since you didn't add 00:41:275 - this beat in this combo
00:26 MrSergio: the intro felt a bit sudden too at first, but let me recheck that a moment
00:27 MrSergio: umh, ye 00:01:844 (3,4,5) - this could do the same as 00:00:935 (1,2) - for consistency and also reduce once more complexity a bit
00:27 MrSergio: I would have... 00:00:935 (1,2) - repeated in the same combo then next combo 00:01:844 (3,4,5) - repeated twice, instead of mixing them like this
00:27 kwk: not sure if circle is better 00:41:844 (4) - since the entire map doesnt have any consecutive 1/4 circles
00:28 MrSergio: it gives me off the impression of "random" a bit
00:28 MrSergio: 00:41:730 - then maybe 1/4 slider?
00:28 MrSergio: the core point in that part is making the break at 00:41:957 - visible
00:28 MrSergio: "how" doesn't really matter
00:29 MrSergio: 00:43:207 (2,3,4,5) - also this stuff is pretty harsh on fingers, since it requires good control to fastly switch from click, to hold, to release, to click again
00:29 MrSergio: 00:44:116 (6) - maybe split this and use the beat from 00:44:344 - for a 1/4 slider again
00:30 MrSergio: if you are lost about that pattern from before, you have 00:48:207 (1,2,3,4,5) - for comparison
00:30 MrSergio: 00:40:935 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - and 00:48:207 (1,2,3,4,5) - *
00:30 kwk: well with the intro the rhythm switches cause theres there a drum beat here 00:02:185 (4) - that i want clickable
00:31 MrSergio: umh... fair enough I think
00:32 MrSergio: 00:01:844 (3) - on the same reasoning I suggested before, you could also do [https://i.imgur.com/Ukdu4k4.png this] in case you want to introduce that concept somehow
00:32 MrSergio: it's minor tho
00:32 MrSergio: that catches better the drum tho, or at least you make people click on majorily important beats that way
00:33 MrSergio: well, apart from that... spread doesn't seem bad
00:33 kwk: so i guess further reduce complexity in kiai is the main thing?
00:33 MrSergio: a couple of 1/2 on Normal could work too
00:33 MrSergio: yes, where you can
00:34 MrSergio: the Normal would work even more if you do that on Hard
00:34 MrSergio: the Insane doesn't seem to add much more complexity anyway, besides the spacing increase
00:35 MrSergio: but that is not even complexity, probably the opposite, actually
00:35 MrSergio: more spacing makes things clearer, most of the times
00:35 kwk: yeah, i think the rhythm in lower diffs might be harder to grasp cause its not following vocals
00:35 MrSergio: so what worries me in that spread is the subjective difficulty players will perceive, rather than actual one
00:36 MrSergio: since the jump in complexity is kinda high N->H
00:36 MrSergio: while kinda small H-?I
00:36 MrSergio: >
00:37 MrSergio: ah, please no 00:22:753 (1,2,3) - on Insane
00:37 MrSergio: misleading visual spacing
00:37 MrSergio: even more when you see 00:23:889 (4,5) - lol
00:38 kwk: uh somehow its missing anote
00:38 kwk: stacked on 00:23:662 (3) -
00:38 MrSergio: noice

~
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

MrSergio wrote:

a bit of a spread talk and small suggestions on Hard mainly

super duper logs
00:18 kwk: hey, can i get your opinion on my maps diff spread?
00:18 MrSergio: which map?
00:18 *kwk is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1387233 Nanahoshi Kangengakudan - Ano Ko Doko no Ko]
00:18 kwk: mainly n-h-i
00:19 MrSergio: sr-wise the jump I X is kinda big lol
00:20 kwk: yeah i know
00:20 kwk: dunno when rizen will save me
00:21 MrSergio: I will assume you kept things consistent so I will just check till first kiai
00:21 MrSergio: to make it quicker
00:23 MrSergio: umh... some parts on the Hard might be a bit too complex
00:23 MrSergio: 00:06:844 (2,3,4,5,6) - please
00:24 MrSergio: 00:34:344 - you could use a beat imo
00:25 MrSergio: 00:35:025 (4,5) - stuff like this works better if you move the slider on the white tick and leave the gap, since it's kidna complex here
00:25 MrSergio: 00:35:025 - [https://i.imgur.com/d7ZV235.png what I mean]
00:26 kwk: mm i see
00:26 MrSergio: 00:41:844 (4) - could work a bit better with just a circle since you didn't add 00:41:275 - this beat in this combo
00:26 MrSergio: the intro felt a bit sudden too at first, but let me recheck that a moment
00:27 MrSergio: umh, ye 00:01:844 (3,4,5) - this could do the same as 00:00:935 (1,2) - for consistency and also reduce once more complexity a bit
00:27 MrSergio: I would have... 00:00:935 (1,2) - repeated in the same combo then next combo 00:01:844 (3,4,5) - repeated twice, instead of mixing them like this
00:27 kwk: not sure if circle is better 00:41:844 (4) - since the entire map doesnt have any consecutive 1/4 circles
00:28 MrSergio: it gives me off the impression of "random" a bit
00:28 MrSergio: 00:41:730 - then maybe 1/4 slider?
00:28 MrSergio: the core point in that part is making the break at 00:41:957 - visible
00:28 MrSergio: "how" doesn't really matter
00:29 MrSergio: 00:43:207 (2,3,4,5) - also this stuff is pretty harsh on fingers, since it requires good control to fastly switch from click, to hold, to release, to click again
00:29 MrSergio: 00:44:116 (6) - maybe split this and use the beat from 00:44:344 - for a 1/4 slider again
00:30 MrSergio: if you are lost about that pattern from before, you have 00:48:207 (1,2,3,4,5) - for comparison
00:30 MrSergio: 00:40:935 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - and 00:48:207 (1,2,3,4,5) - *
00:30 kwk: well with the intro the rhythm switches cause theres there a drum beat here 00:02:185 (4) - that i want clickable
00:31 MrSergio: umh... fair enough I think
00:32 MrSergio: 00:01:844 (3) - on the same reasoning I suggested before, you could also do [https://i.imgur.com/Ukdu4k4.png this] in case you want to introduce that concept somehow
00:32 MrSergio: it's minor tho
00:32 MrSergio: that catches better the drum tho, or at least you make people click on majorily important beats that way
00:33 MrSergio: well, apart from that... spread doesn't seem bad
00:33 kwk: so i guess further reduce complexity in kiai is the main thing?
00:33 MrSergio: a couple of 1/2 on Normal could work too
00:33 MrSergio: yes, where you can
00:34 MrSergio: the Normal would work even more if you do that on Hard
00:34 MrSergio: the Insane doesn't seem to add much more complexity anyway, besides the spacing increase
00:35 MrSergio: but that is not even complexity, probably the opposite, actually
00:35 MrSergio: more spacing makes things clearer, most of the times
00:35 kwk: yeah, i think the rhythm in lower diffs might be harder to grasp cause its not following vocals
00:35 MrSergio: so what worries me in that spread is the subjective difficulty players will perceive, rather than actual one
00:36 MrSergio: since the jump in complexity is kinda high N->H
00:36 MrSergio: while kinda small H-?I
00:36 MrSergio: >
00:37 MrSergio: ah, please no 00:22:753 (1,2,3) - on Insane
00:37 MrSergio: misleading visual spacing
00:37 MrSergio: even more when you see 00:23:889 (4,5) - lol
00:38 kwk: uh somehow its missing anote
00:38 kwk: stacked on 00:23:662 (3) -
00:38 MrSergio: noice

~
basically kiai's on hard got remapped to use less 1/4 sliders and rhythm is simplified
HelloSCV
3,490 posts
Joined April 2011
HelloSCV
Shouldn't the Artist be changed to Megpoid GUMI or was the ranking criteria about metadata changed? idk nvm, i deluded

I'm going to mod it as soon as possible, impressive map!

requested from my queue

[General]
  1. 00:36:275 - Is there anything special reason that you placed kiai start point at here? moving it to 00:37:298 - here, where the second bookmark exists.
  2. Add "vocaloid, megpoid gumi" to tags
[Normal]
  1. nothing
[Hard]
  1. 01:10:025 (1) - Add clap on start
  2. 02:39:685 (4) - Overlapping error?
  3. 03:05:934 (5) - Add clap on start

    I actually expected more jump patterns to reduce the gap between Insane and Hard diff, current Hard diff feels like a Normal diff since there are rarely distance snap variations
[Insane]
  1. 01:10:025 (1) - Maybe you forgot to add a clap here
  2. 01:31:389 (7,1) - Adjust NC like you did on 00:25:935 (1) - this
  3. 02:55:025 (6) - Add NC to imply SV variation
  4. 03:05:481 (5) - Try adding a clpa on end and 03:05:935 (6) - adding it on start. It fits nicely
[Extra]
  1. 00:35:821 (4) - Since the distance snap is rapidly changing adding NC on this note or 00:35:935 (5) - this would be great and also consider placing additional NC on 00:35:025 (3) - here too, and you'd better delete 00:34:685 (1) - this NC
  2. 01:40:366 (1,2) - Same as the above, consider swapping NC
  3. 01:42:298 (5) - I found that you filled up most parts of the map with objects because of the bpm and song's atmosphere and most of them work quite well while this note doesn't, it's even little bit awkward, consider changing it into 1/1 slider or just deleting it.
  4. 02:40:935 (3) - Try adding NC for new part of the vocal sound
  5. 02:55:025 (1) - It seems that you tried to overlap the both slider right? then use this code to overlap them perfectly. The difference between both slider is quite visible during in-game play
    code
    20,232,175025,6,0,B|32:152|32:152|88:273|88:273|132:245|192:264,1,321.749985271455,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
  6. 02:58:889 (2,3) - Reversing this rhythm feels much better according to the vocal sound
nice :>

now it's impressive again
Last edited by HelloSCV , edited 1 time in total.
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

HelloSCV wrote:

Shouldn't the Artist be changed to Megpoid GUMI or was the ranking criteria about metadata changed? idk nvm, i deluded

I'm going to mod it as soon as possible, impressive map! :arrow: not impressive anymore :(

requested from my queue

[General]
  1. 00:36:275 - Is there anything special reason that you placed kiai start point at here? moving it to 00:37:298 - here, where the second bookmark exists. :arrow: no clue what happened, moved it to00:37:298 -
  2. Add "vocaloid, megpoid gumi" to tags :arrow: ah yeah i should probably start tagging


[Normal]
  1. nothing
[Hard]
  1. 01:10:025 (1) - Add clap on start
  2. 02:39:685 (4) - Overlapping error?
  3. 03:05:934 (5) - Add clap on start

    I actually expected more jump patterns to reduce the gap between Insane and Hard diff, current Hard diff feels like a Normal diff since there are rarely distance snap variations :arrow: yeah im not too sure about spread still n>h seems kinda big so im focusing on reducing difficulty of hard for now
[Insane]
  1. 01:10:025 (1) - Maybe you forgot to add a clap here
  2. 01:31:389 (7,1) - Adjust NC like you did on 00:25:935 (1) - this
  3. 02:55:025 (6) - Add NC to imply SV variation
  4. 03:05:481 (5) - Try adding a clpa on end and 03:05:935 (6) - adding it on start. It fits nicely
[Extra]
  1. 00:35:821 (4) - Since the distance snap is rapidly changing adding NC on this note or 00:35:935 (5) - this would be great and also consider placing additional NC on 00:35:025 (3) - here too, and you'd better delete 00:34:685 (1) - this NC
  2. 01:40:366 (1,2) - Same as the above, consider swapping NC
  3. 01:42:298 (5) - I found that you filled up most parts of the map with objects because of the bpm and song's atmosphere and most of them work quite well while this note doesn't, it's even little bit awkward, consider changing it into 1/1 slider or just deleting it. :arrow: i'll try deleting it for now
  4. 02:40:935 (3) - Try adding NC for new part of the vocal sound
  5. 02:55:025 (1) - It seems that you tried to overlap the both slider right? then use this code to overlap them perfectly. The difference between both slider is quite visible during in-game play :arrow: thanks for code
    code
    20,232,175025,6,0,B|32:152|32:152|88:273|88:273|132:245|192:264,1,321.749985271455,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
  6. 02:58:889 (2,3) - Reversing this rhythm feels much better according to the vocal sound :arrow: made consistent with earlier section
nice :>
thanks for star and modding HelloSCV! fixed everything else that i didnt mention
Arutsuki
630 posts
Joined December 2015
Arutsuki
h
short mod

Extra
•00:07:753 (4,5) - These could use a different spacing from 00:07:412 (1,2,3) - , since the sounds come in groups of 3. same here 01:13:208 (4,5) -
•00:09:230 - sure you wanna ignore this?
•00:10:025 (1,2) - if you ctrl+j this it will play much better considering the movement that leads up to it, 00:09:571 (4,5) - . if you do that you might as well move 00:10:366 (3) - a bit more down to keep the good movement going, like this. will also make a nice visual effect cuz it looks like it stacks with 00:10:366 (3,5,1) -
•00:11:389 (3) - making this a slider would feel better cuz held vocal, considering you emphasised those on all other occasions 00:10:139 (2,4) - 00:11:844 (1,4) -
•00:15:025 (2) - could use different spacing cuz different sound
•00:22:185 (4,5,6,7) - this spacing gives the sound no contrast at all compared to the rest of the song, doing something like this would be much better imo
•00:37:298 - shouldn't this be kiai too :v
•00:38:662 (4,5,6,7) - 00:40:480 (1,2,3,4) - same vocal pitch yet different spacing. the rest of the kiai actually just has the same spacing so to keep it consistent you should either make 00:38:662 (4,5,6,7) - spaced as well, or make the notes following the same sounds (such as 00:40:480 (1,2,3,4) - 00:45:935 (1,2,3,4) - 00:47:753 (3,4,5,6) - have the same spacing as 00:38:662 (4,5,6,7) - . same goes for all the other kiai as well, make them consistent
•01:21:844 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - maybe making these higher and lower spacing to match the vocals' pitch would be nice
•02:12:639 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - gradually higher spacing would feel better to match the guitar
•02:27:980 (6) - inconsistent rhythm with 01:44:344 (7,8) - and 00:38:889 (6,7) -

nice song gl~
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Arutsuki wrote:

h
short mod

Extra
•00:07:753 (4,5) - These could use a different spacing from 00:07:412 (1,2,3) - , since the sounds come in groups of 3. same here 01:13:208 (4,5) :arrow: i could but dont think i should be highlighting them since emphasis on those two notes might seem a bit strange when playing,since i would be breaking how fluid the entire pattern would be if i changed the dsing -
•00:09:230 - sure you wanna ignore this? :arrow: am i missing something here? cause all i hear is a minor drum beat, and i skip more major ones like 00:12:639 anyway since im prioritising vocals in most sections throughout the song
•00:10:025 (1,2) - if you ctrl+j this it will play much better considering the movement that leads up to it, 00:09:571 (4,5) - . if you do that you might as well move 00:10:366 (3) - a bit more down to keep the good movement going, like this. will also make a nice visual effect cuz it looks like it stacks with 00:10:366 (3,5,1) - :arrow: yeah i understand your point but i think playwise its basically the same
but my current arrangement makes the movement a bit sharper which reflects the music a bit better i think and it gives a better contrast with 00:10:139 (2,1) -
•00:11:389 (3) - making this a slider would feel better cuz held vocal, considering you emphasised those on all other occasions 00:10:139 (2,4) - 00:11:844 (1,4) - :arrow: mm i'll think about it, i think it was a slider originally but i decided on a note later on cause it sounded more like 1 syllable compared to the others, but im open to changing it if more people mention it i guess
•00:15:025 (2) - could use different spacing cuz different sound :arrow: i kinda just ignore the drums in this diff, so im not sure. I'll change it if its incosistent with something else though
•00:22:185 (4,5,6,7) - this spacing gives the sound no contrast at all compared to the rest of the song, doing something like this would be much better imo :arrow: sure that gives contrast but your suggestion definitely looks out of place when you consider the map as a whole since it'll be the only instance where that sortve stacking occurs. Its probably ok but i dont think it really contributes to improving the overall quality of the map if that makes sense.I think if i was to change this it would probably be more of a pattern change rather a spacing one
•00:37:298 - shouldn't this be kiai too :v :arrow: aah yeah fixed
•00:38:662 (4,5,6,7) - 00:40:480 (1,2,3,4) - same vocal pitch yet different spacing. the rest of the kiai actually just has the same spacing so to keep it consistent you should either make 00:38:662 (4,5,6,7) - spaced as well, or make the notes following the same sounds (such as 00:40:480 (1,2,3,4) - 00:45:935 (1,2,3,4) - 00:47:753 (3,4,5,6) - have the same spacing as 00:38:662 (4,5,6,7) - . same goes for all the other kiai as well, make them consistent :arrow: uhh theres like a brass sound thats louder going thru the vocals thats why its higher spacing later, though admittedly the main reasoning is i dont want to make a 8 note stream thats the same ds as the rest of the patterns since it takes up a lot of real estate and also making it unreasonably difficult in comparison to everything else. Its consistent between sections so hopefully its good enough
•01:21:844 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - maybe making these higher and lower spacing to match the vocals' pitch would be nice :arrow: yeah when i can think of something good i'll probably change this
•02:12:639 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - gradually higher spacing would feel better to match the guitar :arrow: im not really a fan of gradually increasing ds patterns, i think if i would change this it would be similar to like 02:14:571 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - where ds changes suddenly, but i think it would lack contrast if i did do something similar
•02:27:980 (6) - inconsistent rhythm with 01:44:344 (7,8) - and 00:38:889 (6,7) - :arrow: yeah it is but reason why is cause 02:27:753 (5) - this is 1 syllable, and i dont want to go into a 6 note stream where 2 of the notes are like a smaller ds if i wanted to make it consistent

nice song gl~
thanks for modding Arutsuki! gave me some things to think about
blueloniess
364 posts
Joined February 2014
blueloniess
[Extra]
00:06:730 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - this part is too hard
02:13:662 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - maybe add some sliders? 1/4 sliders
02:46:389 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - crazy jumps...

Omg So insane

132 Bpm single tap !

IDK how to mod this ;w;
way too hard for me

[insane]
00:03:662 (5) - Ctrl+G
02:17:412 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - This is way too hard Imo
02:24:912 (1,2,3,4,5) - put a ★ here?


awesome map Imo!
Every thing looks good Imo
I think it's really good for me
:)
Good luck
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

blueloniess wrote:

[Extra]
00:06:730 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - this part is too hard :arrow: its fine, its deceptively easy cause of cs
02:13:662 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - maybe add some sliders? 1/4 sliders :arrow: that is unnecessary,doesnt follow guitar as closely as i would like if i did
02:46:389 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - crazy jumps... :arrow: its not even the hardest point in the map imo xd

Omg So insane

132 Bpm single tap !

IDK how to mod this ;w;
way too hard for me

[insane]
00:03:662 (5) - Ctrl+G :arrow: why? it'll be out of place if did
02:17:412 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - This is way too hard Imo :arrow: it really isnt
02:24:912 (1,2,3,4,5) - put a ★ here? :arrow: maybe but i dont see the need to, since it'll mess with the surrounding patterning


awesome map Imo!
Every thing looks good Imo
I think it's really good for me
:)
Good luck
thanks for having a look!
Chihara Minori
1,239 posts
Joined December 2013
Chihara Minori
oh hello 2 kds

lower diff as requested

ill just make it simple to understand, so pic .w.
00:02:753 - https://puu.sh/xP0pJ/85b78d4f90.png
00:08:662 (2) - use angle for hard beat and curve for soft one?, this count as hard 00:15:935 (2) - and so on, youll understand tho
00:15:935 - preferable to nc after gap, just like you do at recent section
00:21:844 - ehem ^
00:27:185 (2,2) - you can actually blanket it to the tail slightly for smother visual
00:29:571 (3,2) - ng, nazied
00:31:843 (4) - stack at 00:28:207 (1) - tail and why not just straight slider?
00:33:662 (1,3) - plss this is trigger me so much, ye blanket thing
00:35:025 - https://puu.sh/xP0Ft/0e348120c4.png
00:42:753 - https://puu.sh/xP0Ih/f3f5596c59.png
00:45:935 (3,4) - linear yas
00:49:003 - you miss rhythm here https://puu.sh/xP0Ku/4a86ec1b58.png
00:53:207 (3,4) - 01:17:299 (1,2) - pls
01:09:116 (3) - hard beat, angle
01:10:934 (3) - add slight up angle? a bit off screen the current one
01:26:390 (4) - i would like to see it at x496 y132 to reflowing the 1/1 straight slider before
01:35:025 (3) - 01:55:026 (4) - 1 grid to right
01:40:479 (3) - flat beat get straighted
01:52:640 (5) - 4 grid to left, just for the slider follow line visual actually
01:57:299 (1) - x464 y120, overlap visual for 01:54:571 (3) -
02:29:003 (5,6,1) - https://puu.sh/xP0Zs/55899ebb9e.png
02:32:639 (2) - decrease the angle there, too much
02:37:298 - https://puu.sh/xP12K/54636370bd.png
02:46:844 (4) - that "~" slider shape peharp
02:50:821 (2) - can i get a reverse for this? ty
03:06:389 (1,2) - . .
03:10:934 (3) - back to hard beat
03:14:116 - https://puu.sh/xP17H/aae802a2a2.png

maybe try to recheck the nc appliment again, theres some point of miss I think
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Time Capsule wrote:

oh hello 2 kds

lower diff as requested

ill just make it simple to understand, so pic .w.
00:02:753 - https://puu.sh/xP0pJ/85b78d4f90.png :arrow: i want to avoid stacks if possible
00:08:662 (2) - use angle for hard beat and curve for soft one?, this count as hard 00:15:935 (2) - and so on, youll understand tho :arrow: no clue what u mean by hard beat
00:15:935 - preferable to nc after gap, just like you do at recent section :arrow: im ncing every 8 beats
00:21:844 - ehem ^ :arrow: ^
00:27:185 (2,2) - you can actually blanket it to the tail slightly for smother visual :arrow: eh not really noticeable
00:29:571 (3,2) - ng, nazied
00:31:843 (4) - stack at 00:28:207 (1) - tail and why not just straight slider? :arrow: changed patterning here a bit, the stack is kinda irrelevant when its like 3 seconds apart
00:33:662 (1,3) - plss this is trigger me so much, ye blanket thing :arrow: fixed it a bit i think?
00:35:025 - https://puu.sh/xP0Ft/0e348120c4.png :arrow: changed patterning a bit, didnt take ur suggestion cause spacing issues
00:42:753 - https://puu.sh/xP0Ih/f3f5596c59.png :arrow: ur suggestion might be a bit difficult since people may misread the slider start of 00:42:753 (1) -
00:45:935 (3,4) - linear yas
00:49:003 - you miss rhythm here https://puu.sh/xP0Ku/4a86ec1b58.png :arrow: took ur rhythm but u messed up the dsing xd
00:53:207 (3,4) - 01:17:299 (1,2) - pls
01:09:116 (3) - hard beat, angle
01:10:934 (3) - add slight up angle? a bit off screen the current one
01:26:390 (4) - i would like to see it at x496 y132 to reflowing the 1/1 straight slider before :arrow: i prefer the circular flow
01:35:025 (3) - 01:55:026 (4) - 1 grid to right
01:40:479 (3) - flat beat get straighted :arrow: whats a flat beat lol
01:52:640 (5) - 4 grid to left, just for the slider follow line visual actually :arrow:i think its fine atm? its relatively minor anyway
01:57:299 (1) - x464 y120, overlap visual for 01:54:571 (3) - :arrow: no clue what u mean by overlap visuals but i changed it anyway
02:29:003 (5,6,1) - https://puu.sh/xP0Zs/55899ebb9e.png :arrow: changed patterning around here
02:32:639 (2) - decrease the angle there, too much :arrow: i dont see whats wrong with it
02:37:298 - https://puu.sh/xP12K/54636370bd.png :arrow:
02:46:844 (4) - that "~" slider shape peharp :arrow: not a fan of s shapes for drum rolls
02:50:821 (2) - can i get a reverse for this? ty :arrow: i think its better without imo..
03:06:389 (1,2) - . .
03:10:934 (3) - back to hard beat
03:14:116 - https://puu.sh/xP17H/aae802a2a2.png :arrow: changed it something else

maybe try to recheck the nc appliment again, theres some point of miss I think
fix everything else i didnt mention, thanks for the mod!
Hollow Wings
1,514 posts
Joined July 2010
Hollow Wings
random mod

Extra

  1. so much stacks have minor error, fix some if you find and wanna take care of them.
  2. 00:06:730 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - swap distance setting to 00:07:071 (1,2,3) - and 00:07:412 (1,2,3,4) - . this is a good example that your mapping style of 1/4 notes are more or less following pitches of electric melody, so i think for those pitches in this part is decreasing, you can decrease your notes' distance among them as well, by set you've designed is fine ofc. otherwise it may plays a bit weird that when music's motion is down and you still need to tap big distance jumps's notes before that downbeat. same thing to 01:12:185 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - as well.
    00:11:503 i still recommend you add a note here. you wanna a pause in tapping to give whatever you wanna stop (aiming, or just emotion), but since that vocal track is keeping on here, i think it's still a better choice to follow full ticks of that track instead of give a tip example here. you did completely different thing at 00:18:662 (4) - for similar song's tracks' part as well.
  3. 00:29:571 (1,1,2) - this is so difficult to aim in a tough map with full of reading patterns in it: overlap notes and give 1/4 jump after that is like a hell class pattern which may easily become a diff tip if you don't control that well... personally i recommend you move 00:29:912 (1) - to 192,303 which stacked at 00:29:344 (1) - 's head, that'll be much easier to read and aim, flow and tapping are all emphasized at that downbeat after it as well.
  4. 00:37:753 (5) - shouldn't this be nc? compared your nc style slider after note spam shall have it.
  5. 00:50:821 (5) - you really should add nc here. reading patterns here are already really complicated, downbeat here deserve a nc. but you also give a 1/4 jump before downbeat tick's object at 00:50:821 (5,6) - , so it's better to set nc at that note. this is really highly recommended for there're full of overlaps in complex patterns like this. same suggestion to 01:56:275 (5) - as well.
  6. 00:56:616 (2,3) - how about 4 notes here? those 4 brass beats are so strong that you can hardly miss them, two 1/4 sliders are not enough to express that well. a big distance setting is deserved as well imo, things like this may be my previous choice: https://puu.sh/xQuJq/1469050abb.png. similar suggestion to 03:00:480 (3,4) - , too.
  7. 01:01:616 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - i love these series of placements and rhythms. i think this map really fit my taste.
  8. 01:11:957 (1) - wow, this really should be only a note, instead of a slider. this is really a good choice that you can give a both rhythm and aiming pause, for a so sudden stop the music just don't play anything. this can be deserved an anti-flow, a ds pattern or anything else you have used in this map to emphasis that really special beat. but the current setting is just common fluent flow with series of notes after a slider's tail aiming to them, that's wasted imo. just use your creation and give a spacial pattern for that proper sound here.
  9. 01:57:298 (3) - nc for downbeat? not really important to choose which one here thou.
  10. 02:16:389 (3,1) - these sliders are unsnapped. i'm pretty sure that guitar track plays different melody at 02:16:162 (2) - which is 1/6 rhythm and 02:16:389 (3,1) - which is 1/4 rhythm. for you have no other 1/6 sounds else to follow here, i think you need to just change the rhythm style, and this is like a must fix.
  11. 02:18:775 (1) - remove nc here. it may for good of both notes' chained to that slider at 02:18:435 (1,2,3,1) - order, and give consistent rhythm style setting to 02:17:185 (1,2,3,4) - , too. even distance is tricky here, it won't be a problem if you notice them with nc and none nc. however, some people may still misread because of that as well, there's another way to solve it: just add nc at 02:17:411 (2) - , it'll do the same effort to this kind of patterns..
  12. 02:20:480 (1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - holy... guitar track's sounds are like mess here. and i think they can hardly be caught by default ticks, ofc they are really complicated, but they are still regular. however, those minor errors can be regarded as slightly wrong playing beats, even considering wave's problem. so here is the final advise (thanks for supporting from Deif): from 02:20:935 (2) - to 02:22:525 (4) - should be all snapped at 1/8 ticks.

    craps, ignore them if you want...
    02:20:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - https://puu.sh/xQCkk/3fc7c4c0a2.png
    - ↑ this looks stupid, but truth is just like that.
    02:20:935 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - https://puu.sh/xQCEQ/098d4e2f04.png
    - ↑ maybe you can't believe it but these are really 1/9 beats which cant be normally caught at ticks. if you wanna edit those objs and snap them properly, then i can tell you a simple way: add a timing line at 02:20:935 tick with 396 bpm setting, then use 1/6 snap divisor to create patterns whether it's note or slider. when you are done of all these tricky things, remove that additional timing line. be careful, this will cause automatic snapping warning, but you can explain to nominators that these notes shall be stacked at special ticks. i think that's really reasonable and acceptable, find someone else as much as you can to see if i'm right, if you really care about this. 1/9 quadruple rhythm will continue from 02:20:935 (1) - to 02:22:676 (4) - , check that by yourself please.
  13. 02:23:548 (4) - this is so undermapped, highly recommend you change it into a 1/4 repeating slider. clearly you are following heated guitar track at this whole part, and beats at this slider's ticks are full of melodies, following them all shall be a better choice.
  14. 02:44:571 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - not really understand ds changing of those quadruple notes. but maybe you just wanna give some differences to those similar notes, and for good of playing sense. i just wanna advise you that 02:45:480 (1,2,3,4) - can be given similar style to 02:44:571 (1,2,3,4) - to keep those pattern consistent. it may not an independent one, you can count the rest if you care.
  15. 03:05:253 (1,2) - stack them? for you've given similar pattern to following those special brass double beats before.
  16. this map is generally well made, some of notes' structure can be composed better than you did, thou you did awesome patterns as well. a star to you.

Insane

  1. 00:37:753 (5) - this is similar to top diff's miss, you need a nc here. but after this those nc seems like still a bit weird to me, maybe you can just simply set them at downbeats......
  2. 00:53:207 (6,7) - give a 1/4 jump here? that double guitar beats like appeared suddenly and deserve a 1/4 jump. move 00:53:207 (6) - to 472,246 can be good considering structure composing. same to 01:00:480 (6,7) - , too, but not that strong to this one. 01:05:935 (4,5) - can be a spaced one thou.
  3. 01:15:366 this tick really need a note for that vocal beat is so obvious that you can hardly ignore it. thou the arrangement of distance can be changed a bit as well if you wanna that note added.
  4. 01:41:503 i highly recommend you add a not here with similar reason above. additionally that gap at 01:41:389 (1,2) - can be arranged to a 1/2 one and then distance can be better according to those ones before it.
  5. 02:15:480 (1) - slider's end is unsnapped? that slider's end is like following that really high pitch electric sound, and that is on red tick i'm pretty sure, even it sounds a bit delay, which can be considered as minor error that can be ignored. if you wanna just follow guitar track with expanded slider here, you need to just snap that end to blue tick like you did before.
  6. 02:16:162 (1) - from this to 02:22:753 (1) - , notice what i've mentioned in top diff, and arrange rhythm here. this is some kind of really important imo.
  7. 02:50:253 (2,3,4,5,6) - spaced them? this is like the highest pitch of vocal sound track in the whole song, i think that bunch of notes deserve a spaced jumping line like 02:46:844 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - did. maybe you can give another track of movements except a curve one used by common parts.
  8. 03:13:435 really required a note here. why miss a so strong beat even in both guitar and drum tracks?
  9. you've focused on basic track, but sometime it may be better to express other tracks by other ways for showing this song more vivid.

Hard

  1. 00:36:275 (3,1) - highly recommend you using absolute distance to decide how much you need to set at this jump. you know that bpm and multiplier decide how calculate distance it maybe and it's an important data we gonna reference to have our jumps composed... here, this gap is 5/4 but absolute distance is even similar to 3/4 ones. i think you can just increase calculated distance to at least 0.83x, which is figured out by your multiplier 1.2x of kiai's green line.
  2. 01:18:094 (3) - wrong snap? or just did that on purpose? i think that vocal beat at 01:17:980 is too strong to ignore, you can hardly put nothing there. so whether you just add a note there, or expand this slider to a 3/4 one which started at that tick. same thing to 01:25:367 (3) - as well: these sounds like that vocal beat is a bit delay, thou it's just way of singing.
  3. not much things to say... well, maybe fix some blanket? which i really think not necessary to mention...

Normal

  1. 00:20:935 (4,5) - stack patterns are highly recommended not to use in lower diffs, even that gap is large enough to give next object appeared after previous object completely disappeared... pausing aiming is like a hard pattern for newbies who play this kind of level's map.
  2. 00:48:207 (1,2,3) - rhythm style like this is highly recommended not to use in lower diffs as well... inconsistent gaps for newbies is like nightmare... even with those jumps which are much longer than average. this is like a general mod to the whole diff which is at the bottom of the mapset. (hard to change cuz this map's rhythm style is already like that, maybe add an easy diff is better... )
  3. 02:10:480 (2) - repeating sliders which have more than 1 arrow is highly recommended not to use in lower diffs again... this is straightforwardly difficult to any level's players... just change the rhythm style here, like 2 sliders maybe.
  4. 02:51:844 (3) - nc? i'm still confusing your nc style just like other diffs... but in lower diffs please give some simple ones with simple logics.
  5. maybe you forgot that this is your bottom diff... orz
i love your mapping style, and sense of placement, like you've already matured in putting things in a proper setting. that's awesome.

good luck!
YukiZura-
762 posts
Joined October 2015
YukiZura-
hi from q~~

[Hard]

00:06:844 (2,3,4,5) - hmm isnt it too hard for hard diff?
00:12:639 (3) - wait .. this placement is wrong lmao .. should be here 00:12:525 - and this circle 00:12:980 (4) - here 00:12:866 -
00:19:912 (3,4) - lol same as before
00:22:298 (3) - are you sure reverse slider .. 00:22:412 - there is no sound here? .. just make straight slider is enought and perfectly fit the song

00:25:366 (3) - explain to me why you put a note here ...? i heard the sound here tho 00:25:480 - consider move it?
00:26:389 (1) - kindda odd when i click this slider.. this is just a suggestion feel free to use it :)
00:26:389 - reverse slider here and 00:26:844 - note here
01:12:298 (2,3,4,5,6) - same reasons as above
01:41:275 (2) - no sound here..suggestion delete it
01:41:389 - should be note here cuz i heard an instrument
02:56:616 (5,1) - fix blanket

aight..that all .. gudluck :)
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Hollow Wings wrote:

random mod

Extra

  1. so much stacks have minor error, fix some if you find and wanna take care of them. :arrow: mm, im not sure why it happens since its a reoccuring problem with all my maps...orz
  2. 00:06:730 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - swap distance setting to 00:07:071 (1,2,3) - and 00:07:412 (1,2,3,4) - . this is a good example that your mapping style of 1/4 notes are more or less following pitches of electric melody, so i think for those pitches in this part is decreasing, you can decrease your notes' distance among them as well, by set you've designed is fine ofc. otherwise it may plays a bit weird that when music's motion is down and you still need to tap big distance jumps's notes before that downbeat. same thing to 01:12:185 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - as well. :arrow: i'll think about what to do here, since i want to keep this somewhat interesting somehow
    00:11:503 i still recommend you add a note here. you wanna a pause in tapping to give whatever you wanna stop (aiming, or just emotion), but since that vocal track is keeping on here, i think it's still a better choice to follow full ticks of that track instead of give a tip example here. you did completely different thing at 00:18:662 (4) - for similar song's tracks' part as well.
  3. 00:29:571 (1,1,2) - this is so difficult to aim in a tough map with full of reading patterns in it: overlap notes and give 1/4 jump after that is like a hell class pattern which may easily become a diff tip if you don't control that well... personally i recommend you move 00:29:912 (1) - to 192,303 which stacked at 00:29:344 (1) - 's head, that'll be much easier to read and aim, flow and tapping are all emphasized at that downbeat after it as well. :arrow: hmm,i'll try your suggestion, since i did want to move the note somewhere else since i had the same thought but wasnt sure if i really wanted to move the note since i quite like the stop-> 1/4 jump
  4. 00:37:753 (5) - shouldn't this be nc? compared your nc style slider after note spam shall have it. :arrow: ya consistent nc is hard
  5. 00:50:821 (5) - you really should add nc here. reading patterns here are already really complicated, downbeat here deserve a nc. but you also give a 1/4 jump before downbeat tick's object at 00:50:821 (5,6) - , so it's better to set nc at that note. this is really highly recommended for there're full of overlaps in complex patterns like this. same suggestion to 01:56:275 (5) - as well.
  6. 00:56:616 (2,3) - how about 4 notes here? those 4 brass beats are so strong that you can hardly miss them, two 1/4 sliders are not enough to express that well. a big distance setting is deserved as well imo, things like this may be my previous choice: https://puu.sh/xQuJq/1469050abb.png. similar suggestion to 03:00:480 (3,4) - , too. :arrow: changed to 4 notes
  7. 01:01:616 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - i love these series of placements and rhythms. i think this map really fit my taste.
  8. 01:11:957 (1) - wow, this really should be only a note, instead of a slider. this is really a good choice that you can give a both rhythm and aiming pause, for a so sudden stop the music just don't play anything. this can be deserved an anti-flow, a ds pattern or anything else you have used in this map to emphasis that really special beat. but the current setting is just common fluent flow with series of notes after a slider's tail aiming to them, that's wasted imo. just use your creation and give a spacial pattern for that proper sound here. :arrow: hmm i gave it a try, see if this is better now, shorten previous slider to 1/4 from 1/2 and added a note as well
  9. 01:57:298 (3) - nc for downbeat? not really important to choose which one here thou.
  10. 02:16:389 (3,1) - these sliders are unsnapped. i'm pretty sure that guitar track plays different melody at 02:16:162 (2) - which is 1/6 rhythm and 02:16:389 (3,1) - which is 1/4 rhythm. for you have no other 1/6 sounds else to follow here, i think you need to just change the rhythm style, and this is like a must fix. :arrow: aaaaa should be good now... i got lazy with checking guitar track
  11. 02:18:775 (1) - remove nc here. it may for good of both notes' chained to that slider at 02:18:435 (1,2,3,1) - order, and give consistent rhythm style setting to 02:17:185 (1,2,3,4) - , too. even distance is tricky here, it won't be a problem if you notice them with nc and none nc. however, some people may still misread because of that as well, there's another way to solve it: just add nc at 02:17:411 (2) - , it'll do the same effort to this kind of patterns..
  12. 02:20:480 (1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - holy... guitar track's sounds are like mess here. and i think they can hardly be caught by default ticks, ofc they are really complicated, but they are still regular. however, those minor errors can be regarded as slightly wrong playing beats, even considering wave's problem. so here is the final advise (thanks for supporting from Deif): from 02:20:935 (2) - to 02:22:525 (4) - should be all snapped at 1/8 ticks. :arrow: i didnt want 1/6 clickable beats in my map and now i have 1/8 clickable beats ww

    craps, ignore them if you want...
    02:20:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - https://puu.sh/xQCkk/3fc7c4c0a2.png
    - ↑ this looks stupid, but truth is just like that.
    02:20:935 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - https://puu.sh/xQCEQ/098d4e2f04.png
    - ↑ maybe you can't believe it but these are really 1/9 beats which cant be normally caught at ticks. if you wanna edit those objs and snap them properly, then i can tell you a simple way: add a timing line at 02:20:935 tick with 396 bpm setting, then use 1/6 snap divisor to create patterns whether it's note or slider. when you are done of all these tricky things, remove that additional timing line. be careful, this will cause automatic snapping warning, but you can explain to nominators that these notes shall be stacked at special ticks. i think that's really reasonable and acceptable, find someone else as much as you can to see if i'm right, if you really care about this. 1/9 quadruple rhythm will continue from 02:20:935 (1) - to 02:22:676 (4) - , check that by yourself please.
  13. 02:23:548 (4) - this is so undermapped, highly recommend you change it into a 1/4 repeating slider. clearly you are following heated guitar track at this whole part, and beats at this slider's ticks are full of melodies, following them all shall be a better choice. :arrow: added another slider to fill beats,since 1/4 repeat didnt seem too nice
  14. 02:44:571 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - not really understand ds changing of those quadruple notes. but maybe you just wanna give some differences to those similar notes, and for good of playing sense. i just wanna advise you that 02:45:480 (1,2,3,4) - can be given similar style to 02:44:571 (1,2,3,4) - to keep those pattern consistent. it may not an independent one, you can count the rest if you care. :arrow: i think i will change this to be equal DS later
  15. 03:05:253 (1,2) - stack them? for you've given similar pattern to following those special brass double beats before. :arrow: ya
  16. this map is generally well made, some of notes' structure can be composed better than you did, thou you did awesome patterns as well. a star to you.

Insane

  1. 00:37:753 (5) - this is similar to top diff's miss, you need a nc here. but after this those nc seems like still a bit weird to me, maybe you can just simply set them at downbeats......
  2. 00:53:207 (6,7) - give a 1/4 jump here? that double guitar beats like appeared suddenly and deserve a 1/4 jump. move 00:53:207 (6) - to 472,246 can be good considering structure composing. same to 01:00:480 (6,7) - , too, but not that strong to this one. 01:05:935 (4,5) - can be a spaced one thou. :arrow: mm ok
  3. 01:15:366 this tick really need a note for that vocal beat is so obvious that you can hardly ignore it. thou the arrangement of distance can be changed a bit as well if you wanna that note added. :arrow: changed rhythm
  4. 01:41:503 i highly recommend you add a not here with similar reason above. additionally that gap at 01:41:389 (1,2) - can be arranged to a 1/2 one and then distance can be better according to those ones before it. :arrow: hmm not too sure about this one,i dont think its as obvious as the above
  5. 02:15:480 (1) - slider's end is unsnapped? that slider's end is like following that really high pitch electric sound, and that is on red tick i'm pretty sure, even it sounds a bit delay, which can be considered as minor error that can be ignored. if you wanna just follow guitar track with expanded slider here, you need to just snap that end to blue tick like you did before. :arrow: snapped to blue
  6. 02:16:162 (1) - from this to 02:22:753 (1) - , notice what i've mentioned in top diff, and arrange rhythm here. this is some kind of really important imo. :arrow: yeah..
  7. 02:50:253 (2,3,4,5,6) - spaced them? this is like the highest pitch of vocal sound track in the whole song, i think that bunch of notes deserve a spaced jumping line like 02:46:844 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - did. maybe you can give another track of movements except a curve one used by common parts.
  8. 03:13:435 really required a note here. why miss a so strong beat even in both guitar and drum tracks? :arrow: im not sure but i think i accidentally deleted a slider.. :?:
  9. you've focused on basic track, but sometime it may be better to express other tracks by other ways for showing this song more vivid. :arrow: i'll pay attention to this as i self-mod more

Hard

  1. 00:36:275 (3,1) - highly recommend you using absolute distance to decide how much you need to set at this jump. you know that bpm and multiplier decide how calculate distance it maybe and it's an important data we gonna reference to have our jumps composed... here, this gap is 5/4 but absolute distance is even similar to 3/4 ones. i think you can just increase calculated distance to at least 0.83x, which is figured out by your multiplier 1.2x of kiai's green line. :arrow: hmm is this the right timestamp? otherwise im utterly confused
  2. 01:18:094 (3) - wrong snap? or just did that on purpose? i think that vocal beat at 01:17:980 is too strong to ignore, you can hardly put nothing there. so whether you just add a note there, or expand this slider to a 3/4 one which started at that tick. same thing to 01:25:367 (3) - as well: these sounds like that vocal beat is a bit delay, thou it's just way of singing. :arrow: its mapped to the drums but i think i can add a note at the start since it does seem unavoidable with how strong it is i guess.. 01:25:367 (3) this one i think i can ignore since its not as prominent
  3. not much things to say... well, maybe fix some blanket? which i really think not necessary to mention...

Normal

  1. 00:20:935 (4,5) - stack patterns are highly recommended not to use in lower diffs, even that gap is large enough to give next object appeared after previous object completely disappeared... pausing aiming is like a hard pattern for newbies who play this kind of level's map. :arrow: i'll change if its necessary, dont really want to shift every pattern..
  2. 00:48:207 (1,2,3) - rhythm style like this is highly recommended not to use in lower diffs as well... inconsistent gaps for newbies is like nightmare... even with those jumps which are much longer than average. this is like a general mod to the whole diff which is at the bottom of the mapset. (hard to change cuz this map's rhythm style is already like that, maybe add an easy diff is better... ) :arrow: i'll check with BN's.. i already asked a couple of BN about diff spread but they didnt mention anything about this so i guess its alright for now?
  3. 02:10:480 (2) - repeating sliders which have more than 1 arrow is highly recommended not to use in lower diffs again... this is straightforwardly difficult to any level's players... just change the rhythm style here, like 2 sliders maybe. :arrow: this was zero__wind's suggestion so i assumed it was ok lol
  4. 02:51:844 (3) - nc? i'm still confusing your nc style just like other diffs... but in lower diffs please give some simple ones with simple logics :arrow: hopefully its bette rnow.
  5. maybe you forgot that this is your bottom diff... orz :arrow: maybe..rhythm choice was a bit difficult cause drum has irregular beat pattern,so there is a lot of 3/4 gaps..following anything else didnt seem logical considering how dense the vocal/guitar is
i love your mapping style, and sense of placement, like you've already matured in putting things in a proper setting. that's awesome.

good luck!
thanks for the random mod Hollow Wings! your encouragement means a lot, i'll go over the maps NCing when i find some more time

YukiZura- wrote:

hi from q~~

[Hard]

00:06:844 (2,3,4,5) - hmm isnt it too hard for hard diff? :arrow: maybe, i'll change it if bn says so lol
00:12:639 (3) - wait .. this placement is wrong lmao .. should be here 00:12:525 - and this circle 00:12:980 (4) - here 00:12:866 - :arrow: entire song is mapped with drums as the base rhythm
00:19:912 (3,4) - lol same as before :arrow: i'll add a note
00:22:298 (3) - are you sure reverse slider .. 00:22:412 - there is no sound here? .. just make straight slider is enought and perfectly fit the song
:arrow: theres a pretty prominent guitar beat on all 3 ticks try listening at 25%
00:25:366 (3) - explain to me why you put a note here ...? i heard the sound here tho 00:25:480 - consider move it? :arrow: drums, vocals arent mapped generally unless its significant
00:26:389 (1) - kindda odd when i click this slider.. this is just a suggestion feel free to use it :) :arrow: i added a note on the slider tail cause it was inconsistent but i prefer how it is atm cause its simpler to play i think
00:26:389 - reverse slider here and 00:26:844 - note here
01:12:298 (2,3,4,5,6) - same reasons as above
01:41:275 (2) - no sound here..suggestion delete it :arrow: ya
01:41:389 - should be note here cuz i heard an instrument :arrow: nice catch
02:56:616 (5,1) - fix blanket :arrow: k

aight..that all .. gudluck :)
thanks for the mod YukiZura!-

fixed stuff i didnt reply to
Inue Houji
18 posts
Joined November 2013
Inue Houji
Really fun map, just wanted to leave this cover here for consideration. Sorry if I'm being stupid :z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcRXWjAt8Zk
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk
when i get rizen's diff i might make an .osz with other covers mp3s
Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
1,962 posts
Joined April 2014
Xinnoh
General
Raise any green lines with 50% to 60%, just a bit more audible
01:52:298 (1) - hitwhistles missing on all diffs around this part

Hard
00:31:389 (5,1) - Increase distance between slider bodies, they're closer than usual here
02:50:821 (1,2) - Overlap these a little less so it's more readable

Insane
00:21:844 (1,2,3,4) - overlap is very weird to read, try moving 00:21:844 (1,2) - upwards to avoid it
02:40:935 (1,2,3,4,1) - This is the only stream with a squigly pattern, just use a curve so it's consistent with the rest (or add more squigle in the last kiai)

uh, thats pretty much all I can find without being able to play it. good luck!
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk
@Sinnoh fixed all
thanks for modding Sinnoh!
Halfslashed
Global Moderator
438 posts
Joined July 2014
Halfslashed
[Normal]
00:00:935 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - For the lowest difficulty, the current rhythm is too dense despite the large clicking gap between objects. I recommend removing the circle on 00:03:435 (2) - to fix this - more or less you should try to stick to under 4-5 objects connected by 1/2 at this bpm (and as lowest difficulty).
00:01:844 (3,1) - 01:07:298 (3,1) - I recommend avoiding blankets like this, since the player is likely to let go of the slider early to click 1 rather than follow the slider all the way due to the head of 1 being closer than the tail of 3. A solution that can work would be something like this but you can probably find something more fitting to your tastes.
01:44:571 (1,2) - 01:48:208 (1,2) - 02:53:662 (1,2) - The current visual distance may lead players to read this as a 1/2 gap, and this pattern has a similar issue to the above where the head of 2 is closer to the head of 1 than the tail of 1. I recommend rotating this slider counterclockwise (I did . The easiest way to accommodate this would be to rearrange 01:42:753 (1,2,3) - .
02:37:298 (1,2,3) - Visual distance here is even enough that it is hard to tell 1,2 is a 1/1 gap but 2,3 is a 3/4 gap. Also due to 3 being closer to 1 than 2, it is also a possibility that the player may just click 3 first. I recommend rearranging this pattern to something like this

[Hard]
00:44:116 (5) - 01:49:571 (5) - 02:33:207 (5) - This slider feels quite weak as a transition between two halves of the kiai, I recommend a rhythm like this to highlight the drums instead.
01:27:753 (1,1) - Perfectly overlapping 1/4 from slider ends should be avoided in Hard difficulties since players at this level are still trying to adjust to reading 1/4. I recommend using your spacing from 00:15:253 (6,7,1) - here.
02:18:662 (5,1) - Since this is followed by a 1/1 gap, I recommend changing 5 into a 1/4 repeat + circle, since you already give the player a break of sorts with 02:18:094 (3) - and currently this rhythm seems relatively weak.
02:20:935 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I know its a guitar solo and all, but compared to the rest of the difficulty, the amount of circles seperated by 1/2 gaps is way too straining. I recommend using a rhythm like this to represent the guitar in a simplified manner, but still mainly follow the percussion.
02:43:662 (3,4) - I think this would be a good place to show off the drums on the blue tick, so I recommend this rhythm to do that while still representing the vocals.
03:13:662 (1) - I recommend ending this slider on the red tick and placing a circle on 03:14:003 - to represent the change in the drums.

[Insane]
00:24:571 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 01:30:025 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Currently i'd say these jumps stand out way too much due to their high spacing, especially since you don't even use this level of spacing for stuff like 00:36:503 (5,6) -. I recommend lowering the spacing here to at least match the spacing of the buildups.
02:17:412 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think 1/4 jumps in the middle of your longest stream are appropriate for this difficulty or in the context of your spread. Even though you have 1/4 spacing from triples in the kiai before this, its another thing to also place it in the most rhythmically straining part of your map. Since you introduced stream bends though, you could just make this into a triangular stream. Another idea is you can just change 02:17:525 (2,3,2,3,2,3) - into 1/4 sliders.

[Rizen]
The general issue I have with this difficulty is that patterns like 00:26:389 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:28:207 (1,2,3,4,5) - are really musically fitting but way too intense for the verses. Stuff like 00:38:662 (6,7,8,9,1) - is really good for the kiai overall but ends up being very overbearing compared to stuff like 00:40:935 (1,2,3,4) - which is a much more climactic part of the song. You can resolve this by using a more movement intensive pattern for 00:40:935 (1,2,3,4) - like this but then you would need to nerf basically all of the 1/4 patterns i mentioned previously.

00:15:253 (6,7,8) - This is fairly underwhelming for a transition point. I recommend stacking 6,7 and using a ~2x jump to 8.
00:56:957 (9) - I recommend overlapping this with 00:56:730 (7) - to add more emphasis, since as is it feels fairly weak in play.
02:14:116 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - In play this is quite awkward due to the direction changes you have at variable spacing. In comparison to your previous patterns, you typically stick to either sharp or smooth motions for consecutive 1/4, so this ends up being more awkward than neccessary. I recommend making this a zigzag like this if you want to introduce more varied motion here.

I'm a bit time limited right now so I'll stop here. Please get a couple mods from experienced modders on Rizen's diff and address the normal properly then call me back for a recheck (and to mod the Extra).
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Halfslashed wrote:

[Normal]
02:37:298 (1,2,3) - Visual distance here is even enough that it is hard to tell 1,2 is a 1/1 gap but 2,3 is a 3/4 gap. Also due to 3 being closer to 1 than 2, it is also a possibility that the player may just click 3 first. I recommend rearranging this pattern to something like this :arrow: rhythm mistake here zz fixed it so its consistent with the other kiai's
[Hard]

02:18:662 (5,1) - Since this is followed by a 1/1 gap, I recommend changing 5 into a 1/4 repeat + circle, since you already give the player a break of sorts with 02:18:094 (3) - and currently this rhythm seems relatively weak. :arrow: i want to cover the blue tick since i think its fairly important and this is best rhythm imo,since making it clickable would be too dense and i want to avoid a double repeat
02:20:935 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I know its a guitar solo and all, but compared to the rest of the difficulty, the amount of circles seperated by 1/2 gaps is way too straining. I recommend using a rhythm like this to represent the guitar in a simplified manner, but still mainly follow the percussion. :arrow: changed rhythm a bit to be less dense
02:43:662 (3,4) - I think this would be a good place to show off the drums on the blue tick, so I recommend this rhythm to do that while still representing the vocals. :arrow: i dont want to use that rhythm cause i dont use slider+circle+circle anywhere else on the map but i tried something else

[Insane]
02:17:412 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - I don't think 1/4 jumps in the middle of your longest stream are appropriate for this difficulty or in the context of your spread. Even though you have 1/4 spacing from triples in the kiai before this, its another thing to also place it in the most rhythmically straining part of your map. Since you introduced stream bends though, you could just make this into a triangular stream. Another idea is you can just change 02:17:525 (2,3,2,3,2,3) - into 1/4 sliders. :arrow: i nerfed the jump so its not really a jump anymore, maybe its good enough since i still want to highlight each part through ds change
Fixed everything else
thanks for modding Halfslashed!
6th
616 posts
Joined December 2014
6th
Hey, some thoughts about Rizen's difficulty

[Rizen's Insane]
This is a nice diff overall but I think you sometimes fail on making the gimmicks flow well.
00:06:503 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Stacking the stream and the slider feels way more playable. In its current state, catching the first circles of the stream is really hard because the spacing is consistent even before it starts. Same applies for 01:11:957 (2,3) -
00:38:889 (8,9,1) - That angle is really sharp and makes (1) really annoying to play because it uses antiflow. I suggest doing something like that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454628
00:43:207 (3,4) - That stack feels a bit random. Does it have any purpose ?
01:17:298 (1,3) - Those sliders look a bit weird and unpolished because it is the only time in the map that you use such shapes. Not worth keeping them like that imo.
01:51:389 (6,7,8,9,1) - How is this supposed to play ? 01:51:616 (8,9,1) - This flows really bad because the variation of spacing is way too big. I think you can do better.
01:56:389 (1,2) - This is unrankable as far as I know. The arrow is hiding the circle. same applies for 02:40:025 (1,2) -
02:14:116 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm not against difficulty, gimmick, originality and all but, don't you think this is too much ? This deserves to be nerfed because it's an obvious difficulty spike in terms of reading lol
Moreover, as Halfslashed pointed out, it raises some playability issues.

Good luck.
Pentori
1,157 posts
Joined November 2015
Pentori
first bn mod

as requested for rizens diff
  1. 00:25:480 (5,6) - kinda strange to have this as the same pattern as 00:25:025 (3,4) . the pattern change at 00:25:025 (3) - implies you're grouping stuff in 2 00:24:571 (1,2) - yet 00:25:025 (3,4,5,6) - seems to be one whole group
  2. 00:26:389 (1,2,3,4,5) - this stuff is like so uncomfortable to land because of the fast back forths into linear movement. additionally this puts so much difficulty into hitting 00:26:844 (5) - while the stronger beat here is barely spaced 00:27:185 (1) - considering slider leniency
  3. 00:29:003 (1) - ^ same with this stuff, i think its worthwhile to space these a lot more to encourage more movement
  4. 00:37:071 (2) - not really necessary imo as having the rest works better with the pause in instruments. but eh i guess its more of a personal choice
  5. 00:43:662 (6) - feels like the climax instrumentally with the piano, but is the least dense part so far. i guess most of your stuff follows vocal intensity but should still take instruments into consideration
  6. 00:47:753 (7) - no vocal here opposed to previous patterns like this 00:45:935 (6,7,8,9) - so kinda lacks differentiation. why not try making 00:47:525 (6) - a 1/2 slider or 1/4 repeat so you keep clickable stuff to vocals 00:47:866 (8,9,10) . also applies to other kiais 01:45:935 (6)
  7. 00:56:616 (6,7,8,9) - feels a bit too intense for this section, other instances of the trumpet are stacked 01:00:480 (6,7,8) - 01:01:616 (3,4,5)
  8. 02:14:116 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - this is honestly so confusing and i dont really see this working but is more of a reading hazard
  9. 02:20:935 - probably worthwhile silencing the ends here
  10. 02:29:684 (7) - prime example of how consistent patterns arent always too representative of the music, especially when things change. should try something different since there's so much emphasis on 7 here
  11. 02:47:639 (8) - would be cool to accompany this with an sv change as well, just so it feels a bit more impactful
similar points apply to where you use the same concepts

hope this was somewhat helpful, maybe im washed up already
also bump your ar up, its double bpm
Rizen
1,663 posts
Joined August 2013
Rizen
pretty much applied all of pentori's

6th wrote:

Hey, some thoughts about Rizen's difficulty

[Rizen's Insane]
This is a nice diff overall but I think you sometimes fail on making the gimmicks flow well.
00:06:503 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Stacking the stream and the slider feels way more playable. In its current state, catching the first circles of the stream is really hard because the spacing is consistent even before it starts. Same applies for 01:11:957 (2,3) - made the circle spacing more smoother gradually
00:38:889 (8,9,1) - That angle is really sharp and makes (1) really annoying to play because it uses antiflow. I suggest doing something like that http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454628 changed but not to ss
00:43:207 (3,4) - That stack feels a bit random. Does it have any purpose ? the vocal at 00:43:207 (3) - is staccato so i think it'll work nicely paired up with the vocal at 00:43:321 (4) -
01:17:298 (1,3) - Those sliders look a bit weird and unpolished because it is the only time in the map that you use such shapes. Not worth keeping them like that imo. changed
01:51:389 (6,7,8,9,1) - How is this supposed to play ? 01:51:616 (8,9,1) - This flows really bad because the variation of spacing is way too big. I think you can do better. changed
01:56:389 (1,2) - This is unrankable as far as I know. The arrow is hiding the circle. same applies for 02:40:025 (1,2) - fixed
02:14:116 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I'm not against difficulty, gimmick, originality and all but, don't you think this is too much ? This deserves to be nerfed because it's an obvious difficulty spike in terms of reading lol changed
Moreover, as Halfslashed pointed out, it raises some playability issues.

Good luck.
applied all of halfslashed and remapped/nerfed to fix difficulty intensity contrast. thanks

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Halfslashed
Global Moderator
438 posts
Joined July 2014
Halfslashed
[General]
Add tags: where's that girl from
Based on the concepts in Rizen's difficulty, I think it would be more appropriate for it to be named as an Extra/Expert difficulty.

[Hitsounds]
00:35:480 (1) - Seems awkward that you don't have a whistle here for the strongest vocal, try adding a soft-hitwhistle here.
00:50:935 - Missing soft-hitclap here.
00:59:116 - Add soft-hitclap here.
02:41:730 (1,4,6) - 02:43:548 (1,4,6) - Remove soft-hitclap from 4 and add it to the head of 1 as well as add a soft-hitclap to the head of 6 to fit the change in the snares more appropriately.

[Normal]
01:08:889 (2) - 03:12:525 (2) - Make sure you remove these circles like you did for 00:03:435 - to drop the note density.

[Rizen's Insane]
00:08:207 (1,2) 00:30:025 (1,2) - 01:13:662 (1,2) - Since you seem to want to NC based on the vocals, I recommend an NC swap here.
00:15:253 (6,7,8) - I still think a stack works better here since your diff is mainly based around jumps from stacks, but either way the placement places too much emphasis on 6,7 due to the zigzagging this creates. I recommend either stacking 6,7 or adjusting the triple to something like this.
01:20:707 (6,7) - I recommend stacking these since you end up switching to a stack with 01:20:935 (8,9,1) - and in this difficulty you tend to stay away from this many spacing changes within a set of 1/4 circles.

It's time.
Rizen
1,663 posts
Joined August 2013
Rizen
i agree with diff name change but i'll let kwk change if he thinks it'll fit set better
NC swapped
stacked second point and third

kwk reapply hitsounds for me please ty

ty

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Halfslashed
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kwk - Today at 8:37 PM
@/2 changed all the stuff should be good now
@/2
/2 - Today at 8:39 PM
time to make sure your hitsounds didn't disappear suddenly
kwk - Today at 8:39 PM
thats job for 2nd bn
/2 - Today at 8:39 PM
yeah but if they disappeared they have to pop
xD
wait
@kwk 00:36:275 - on insane diff
this kiai
looks like you meant to start it 00:37:298 -
kwk - Today at 8:43 PM
oh wait
/2 - Today at 8:43 PM
also anything to say on rizen's diffname?
or tags lol
kwk - Today at 8:46 PM
tag manager failing me
/2 - Today at 8:46 PM
lol
kwk - Today at 8:46 PM
it was in the .osu
but it did a newline
i changed rizen's to extra
should be good now [?!]
Mir
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02:10:480 - can you not sliderwhistle these guitar things like there's no hitsounding here :(

02:52:753 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I spoke with Lasse and this is too much imo. I can't see this working in the context of the map because the other kiais had patterns that were much more intuitive and straightforward than this. Within the context of the map so far (which is primarly overlap-heavy not so much stack-heavy) this pattern is extremely out of place and presents an unprecedented reading spike. To make this more fitting I would try to focus more on overlapping rather than stacking since it feels more in context with the map so far. (if you did something like this earlier i'd be fine with it but introducing this type of reading challenge at the end of the map is a bit lol i think)

rizen:
01:49:798 (10,11) - Seems a bit much to 01:50:025 (1) - i think spacing like https://i.imgur.com/B6CXAaY.png would be more reasonable
02:44:571 (1,2,3) - egh this pattern is completely different from anything you did in the other kiais and plays completely differently.. not sure this fits too well. you don't even have to move to play the pattern it's much more stack-centric than the others :/

normal:
idk about how the spreads into hard, seems very not-dense for a normal but the spacing is much higher. I think it would be best to add some more 1/2 into the normal, at least in the kiai. Areas like 01:53:662 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - are really dense in the song but only have a few circles. 01:51:616 - could have a circle 01:08:889 - as well etc etc.

just compare: 00:49:116 -
normal:

hard:


problem with this is the spacing you used will bump that over 2* so as the lower diff that doesn't work, however you could add another diff to bridge the gap if you don't want to lower all the spacing in the normal diff since it would basically be a soft remap

generally you could lower the spacing overall and up the density and it would be much more fluid

I think it would be best to pop this until the spread issue gets resolved, as I don't think it should be pushed forward until the normal is more dense
Nao Tomori
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i don't think this is actually a big issue. so the important part of spread is basically linearity. you want to have a linear increase in density from the normal, to the hard, to the insane. so just looking at hard and normal doesn't really tell the whole story. compare your two screenshots to this one from insane: and you can see that the density is actually pretty linear. similar things at those other timestamps; 01:53:662 - actually corresponds to a fairly low density point in the hard diff as well. if anything the density of insane should be lowered a bit. at the most maybe 01:53:661 (1,2) - can be 1/2 sliders. but overall i don't think the spread here is that big of an issue. it's just, the gap is pretty large, maybe larger than usual. but that isn't what creates a spread issue, spread issue is created by linearity not by the gap between them. to me n >> h >> i spread works fine.

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kwk
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Mir wrote:

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02:10:480 - can you not sliderwhistle these guitar things like there's no hitsounding here :( :arrow: whistled

02:52:753 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I spoke with Lasse and this is too much imo. I can't see this working in the context of the map because the other kiais had patterns that were much more intuitive and straightforward than this. Within the context of the map so far (which is primarly overlap-heavy not so much stack-heavy) this pattern is extremely out of place and presents an unprecedented reading spike. To make this more fitting I would try to focus more on overlapping rather than stacking since it feels more in context with the map so far. (if you did something like this earlier i'd be fine with it but introducing this type of reading challenge at the end of the map is a bit lol i think) :arrow: im not entirely convinced since the motion should be fairly intuitive but i changed it anyway

normal:
idk about how the spreads into hard, seems very not-dense for a normal but the spacing is much higher. I think it would be best to add some more 1/2 into the normal, at least in the kiai. Areas like 01:53:662 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - are really dense in the song but only have a few circles. 01:51:616 - could have a circle 01:08:889 - as well etc etc. :arrow: i dont think i can make this bit more dense without either not following the music or making the rhythming more complex without either 1/4 sliders or additional notes on the blue ticks, i could maybe change hard rhythming here by changing the sliders to circles but density would be the same idk

01:51:616 - 01:08:889- i think keeping it simpler and just following the drums like how what the rest of the map follows is better and i dont think the diff has any consecutive circle rhythms

just compare: 00:49:116 -
normal:

hard:


problem with this is the spacing you used will bump that over 2* so as the lower diff that doesn't work, however you could add another diff to bridge the gap if you don't want to lower all the spacing in the normal diff since it would basically be a soft remap

generally you could lower the spacing overall and up the density and it would be much more fluid

I think it would be best to pop this until the spread issue gets resolved, as I don't think it should be pushed forward until the normal is more dense
:arrow: i'll gather some opinions on spread(if you need convincing) but i really dont want to change things too much in case i make it worse
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Rizen
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Joined August 2013
Rizen
First point applied
second point, the part at the time is different to other kiais in where there is a lot more vocal stress points which I want to highlight with stacking

thanks

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Mir
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Naotoshi wrote:

i don't think this is actually a big issue. so the important part of spread is basically linearity. you want to have a linear increase in density from the normal, to the hard, to the insane. so just looking at hard and normal doesn't really tell the whole story. compare your two screenshots to this one from insane: and you can see that the density is actually pretty linear. similar things at those other timestamps; 01:53:662 - actually corresponds to a fairly low density point in the hard diff as well. if anything the density of insane should be lowered a bit. at the most maybe 01:53:661 (1,2) - can be 1/2 sliders. but overall i don't think the spread here is that big of an issue. it's just, the gap is pretty large, maybe larger than usual. but that isn't what creates a spread issue, spread issue is created by linearity not by the gap between them. to me n >> h >> i spread works fine.

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I considered this, actually, and I think that you're correct in part. The gap from Hard to Insane, while high, is passable despite me having doubts on it to start with. However, when I compared Hard and Normal, the gap was even larger density-wise. Yes, the gaps are large, but the one between Normal and Hard is pushing it slightly over the edge and I think some adjustments could be made to close that a bit so that it can still be large, just not as big as it is.
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i dumped some more circles into the kiai's maybe its better now?
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you dumped some more circles into the kiai and its better now
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