Litharrale wrote:

hiiiiiiiiiiiiii haaaaaaa
only mentioning each issue once
1|2|3|4

fix diff names already>:0 ay

I remade your bg to be better, use this one https://i.imgur.com/f2T1PRX.jpg (or the one altered from discord) I prefer my fog-ish :c

I am 99% sure the timing resnap at 00:18:151 is mistimed and not needed. The map sounds perfect without it and with it, everything is slightly late. (note: the whole mod is done without this changed but you should 100% change it or ask someone super experienced with timing to check it) i'll try to ask around

The SR jump between Hyper and Another is significantly bigger than the rest of the SR gaps

The gap between the two is actually only weighted at - 01:47:821 - and - 02:22:107 - whilst the rest is a pretty fair diff gap inbetween

Get rid of all storyboard hitsounds and all double hitsounds

First off, double hitsound is pretty fair if the volume is well distributed (and its not earrape lol). I use all of these techniques in all of my latest maps and there doesnt seem to be much of a problem

the second, about the SB hs. I think this is pretty fair since all the bassline have at least one note to cover. take example on the beginner
00:18:151 - these part afterwards is filled with 2 synths and 1 kick. the synths is on SB to accompany and emphasize the songs. since beginner would naturally hit 1/1 focus kick so they wouldnt be confused with the 2 synths being played as SB. rather, some of the newbie players i asked to test didnt realize that there was an additional synths on SB. they thought it was original song fx

things may got complicated after - 02:01:008 - and - 02:14:194 - in which drumline didnt match my notes which could be confusing, but the song drumline itself is confusing already to follow by newbies so removing the SB hs here wouldnt do much either

tl;dr i dont want to remove the SB because
1) it would remove some special emphasisi which was intended
2) removing the SB hs wouldnt do much either. if you play the song with fx or without the fx, they wouldnt be much different. the only thing different with fx enabled is that you will hear a higher volume version of the original fx from the song

Hitsound base

02:46:172 (166172|4) - These tick sounds are a nice addition but they should be used one 4 beats apart rather than 3 beats. 3 beats sounds really weird and doesnt really fit imo. On the second beat of every bar would be good. the tick is slightly 1 seconds apart. thus the clock - like - fx being used is properly make sense

Ultimate

00:22:766 (22766|0,22766|1) - A tonne of double hitsounds which theres probably a lot of in the diffs. Remove them all pls explained above

00:01:648 (1648|2) - is a chord in the song so add another note here

00:19:469 (19469|1,19469|3,19469|0) - Having this as a triple detracts from the power of this 00:19:799 (19799|2,19799|0,19799|3) - which should be a triple. remove the note in col 2 both is a snare, though its different in volume power but having it to be a double would be kinda misleading as the doubles are for kicks

00:39:579 (39579|1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9079331 proposed pattern for better PR mapping not so sure with the balance there. especially that 4|3|4|3 at the beginning

00:43:205 (43205|0) - https://i.imgur.com/FlOkYz7.png A lot of emphasis on col 1, maybe break it up a bit in the middle

01:01:337 (61337|0) - add another note on col 4 for the chord i think its not worthy of a chord since its pretty softy

01:03:975 (63975|0) - same, you get the point ^

01:16:008 (76008|3,76049|2,76090|1,76131|0) - You should redesign this stream to map this "gulp" sound more. Perhaps a 1/2 LN and a 1/4 LN to capture it

01:21:777 (81777|1) - Add something for the snare sound to stay consistent

01:30:843 (90843|1) - add a note on 2 and 01:31:172 (91172|2,91337|1,91337|0,91337|3) - add a note between these to capture the full percussion pattern i'm not really following the percussion here. my main follow is a piano

01:40:238 (100238|0,100238|1,100568|0,100568|1,100898|0,100898|1,101227|0,101227|1,101557|0,101557|1) - This pattern is weird when you dont continue it on the other side. Either swap it out for something else or change the pattern after it to be similar in theme

02:06:859 (126859|0,126859|1,126942|0,126942|2,126942|3) - This jack feels really weird. It kind of just pops up 2 minutes into the map without any other jacks before it. I'd remove it. well its because there is no fx that could accompanied to make a minijack like this, wouldnt it? :d so its totally relevant

02:08:590 (128590|3) - Shorten this LN to reflect the sound that starts halfway through. I was gonna start start the LN halfway through when the sound starts but the SV makes it feel weird i'm pretty sure the bass noise is started where i placed. the halfway you mentioned is where the bass got stronger

02:44:524 (164524|2,164524|3,164524|1,164524|0) - Doesn't sound strong enough to be a quad here imo. remove the note on 3 i think i'm keeping this. idk its personally fits towards where everything will got harder

Another

00:27:711 (27711|0,27711|3) Making these triples is completely a-ok for a 4.4* particularly i want to keep the layering consistency with the other. the triples only used where there's no LN

00:41:722 (41722|2) - Could change this isnt an LN that leads to the triples, would play awesomely

00:47:738 (47738|2) - note here thats not in ultimate?

00:49:799 (49799|2) - the 3-4 here plays kinda weird, maybe just remove the 3 not rly sure i would do that since that will kinda distinguish the cymbal emphasis

00:56:990 (56990|1,57113|3,57278|1,57443|0) - Why are these 1/16? Should be 1/6 dafuq i'm screwed

00:57:711 (57711|1) - no where near strong enough for a double its kinda for the following 1/6 you've pointed before

01:22:107 (82107|1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9079859 literally copy pasted from the ultimate, try make the patterns a little harder/easier in one of them wait i dont remember i copasta aaaaaa. made ultimate different

01:35:623 (95623|0) - section feels boring and uninspired tbh. Try adding in a cool theme like have the two beats before the snare be the same and then the snare be different or something like that e.g https://i.imgur.com/qd6S0ER.png i did something with some light jacking piano

01:42:216 (102216|3) - why does the stack theme start here and not earlier/later? this to keep everything various, the earlier has different theme which tend to be simple, then it goes harder with introducing the stacks towards the jtrill and streams later

01:59:359 (119359|3,119359|2,119524|1,119524|3,119524|0) - This is harder than the ultimate equivalent

02:08:178 (128178|2,128260|2) - jacks again. if you kept them in the ultimate, definitely get rid of them here.

Hyper

00:16:400 (16400|1,16441|2,16483|3,16483|0) - This pattern feels like it belongs in the higher diffs. I think a simple 4-3-21 stair would work better i think its still pretty fair since hyper still on its 3 highest diff which is still pretty simple to handle by intermediate players

00:24:579 (24579|1) - seems like an odd choice to shorten this by 1/4 just to keep the next LN in the same column but it seems pretty ok to me :c see higher diffs

00:29:194 (29194|3) - https://i.imgur.com/jUFuntR.png the pattern here is significantly harder than the one in the another, id suggest changing to a stair

00:35:623 (35623|0) - only 1/1 doubles after trusting the player to do jumpstreams? yeah people need to relax xd

00:42:381 (42381|1,42381|3,42711|2,42711|1) - these should be singles to be consistent consistent with... what? if you refering hyper2 its totally different diff so there's that

01:21:777 (81777|2) - single for the snare? >:00000000 its still a pretty low snare imo so single fit pretty well

01:23:755 (83755|2) - srsly though, you have random bass doubled even though they're weaker, it's an odd choice

01:26:722 (86722|0) - should really be 1/4 of a tick back to match up with the strong sound. Otherwise the bass is uneven and it doesnt match with the identical sound here 01:26:392 (86392|0,86392|3) - for both ^ i kinda didnt intend to doubled the snare since its a pretty weak snare in general and intended to keep the diff curve with hyper2. the doubled bass is because there's a deep bass in it. which where the snare doesnt have it.
thus the idea. exception to - 01:27:711 (87711|2,87711|3) - where the snare is matched with piano

01:39:909 (99909|2) - add singles on the red ticks in this section to match with the increase in intensity but i was follows piano :cc

01:49:140 (109140|0,109387|0) - This reverse shield plays weird as hell, maybe something like https://i.imgur.com/10GeqSF.png it doesnt on my side lol stop using imgur rip my data :c

Hyper2

01:19:799 (79799|3) - You mapped the sound here but not the one here 01:20:788 - make it all consistent its actually piano but i did forget to place it anywhere else so fixed that

Same section 01:25:074 (85074|2) - mapping the snares sometims and other times not is super weird ^

01:46:832 (106832|3) - This section is the same density as the beginner and half as dense as the standards oh ups

01:50:458 (110458|0) - This LN should stop around here 01:51:777 and transfer into a different LN, can apply this to other diffs as well

02:01:008 (121008|0,121008|2,121337|0,121337|2,121832|2,121832|0,122244|0,122244|2) - I really like the theme you had before this pattern here 01:59:030 (119030|2) - with all the doubles in the same columns but at 02:01:008 it doesnt really fit and detracts from the pattern

Standard2

00:32:986 (32986|1,32986|3,33151|1,33151|3) - Put these on the same hand for difficulty, I feel like a jack like this in a diff this low is a little too hard

00:49:799 (49799|0) - This section is 1/4 not 1/3 (it is 1/3 but the LNs start every beat)

01:10:898 (70898|2,70898|3,71392|1,71392|2,71887|0,71887|1) - PR!

02:07:436 (127436|3,127931|3,128260|3) - Fairly sure these are meant to be doubles looking at the distance inbetween the note which is pretty odd to be predicted by newer players, i made this a little bit simplier

02:09:579 (129579|2) - Move to 3 to avoid the reverse shield its already on 3 :thonk:

02:10:486 (130486|0) - Double? most of these are doubles but some arent which is odd

03:05:788 (185788|3) - move to 3 to disconnect it with the previous pattern as its not part of it in the music

Beginner

Not much to say other than a bunch of missed PR opportunities in sections like 00:34:304 (34304|0) -

01:16:008 (76008|1) - This part is significantly harder than standard(2) https://i.imgur.com/B4F5pgO.png

Litharrale wrote:

hiiiiiiiiiiiiii
only mentioning each issue once
1|2|3|4

A's standard

(note some of these timestamps might be off because this is when i realised the timing was wrong)

00:16:359 (16359|3,16400|2,16483|1) - This is timed different to all of the other difficulties, talk to rivals and figure out what it should be at // ok i fixed it

00:18:315 (18315|2) - This sections patterning feels unnatural, lots of repeated patterns and patterns not really suited for a standard like 00:26:227 (26227|3,26310|2,26392|3,26557|0,26640|1,26722|0) - // uhh... from where do you see it not suited if i may ask? i think that pattern are pretty much suited for novice player to learn something new

00:33:975 (33975|1) - Add a note since it's a super strong sound // as you can see here. i dont use any dual at all.. so any suggestion about adding more note to make dual are rejected, sorry

00:34:469 (34469|3) - I understand what you're trying to do in this section but it's really slow and boring due to how sparse it is. Even the beginner is more dense // FYI, 00:49:799 - this is the reason why i left it like that. i want to make a rest point before i give them the stream

01:11:887 (71887|1) - Col 3 for pitch relevancy // uhh.. no.. the key are (from what i heard here) like this

01:13:453 (73453|0) - Remove, neither of the hypers have this note, 01:13:205 (73205|3) - extend this to the white tick. If you dont want to do this (i'd rather you not) just make it a lot more clear in the patterning. What you did on the LN right before it here https://i.imgur.com/V0fIWdP.png is a good example //uhh... no thankyou

01:32:821 (92821|2) - same comment as before. boring because super sparse like you have gaps of >1 measure 01:35:623 (95623|1,97766|2) . add something else in // same reason as before

01:40:898 (100898|1) - add something even more in for this section to reflect the increase in intensity // no

01:46:008 (106008|2) - https://i.imgur.com/tFjm2CL.png (right is hyper2) the spread between this and the hyper2 is wew // cant open imgur, sorry (blocked here)

02:20:458 (140458|0,140541|1,140623|2,140705|1,140788|3,140953|1) - This pattern feels very weird to play, smooth it out a bit (or get rid of it because the hyper has no 1/4 rhythms here) // no

02:46:585 (166585|3) - big gap in col 4 after this note // keep it

02:53:178 (173178|3) - same here (dont do this) // ^

02:57:711 (177711|3) - again, theres no reason for these large gaps // yes there's a reason for that i cant explain it

Protastic101 wrote:

replying mods are a social construct

[General]

1. Might wanna increase HP of As' Intermediate to 7.5 or something cause there's a bunch of little 1/4 rolls that the player won't really be punished for if they miss a lot in.
2. Spent about 20 minutes checking that every sample in the folder was used and it is T_T)b tfw cant keysound

[Ultimate]
00:17:162 - This SV is a 0.4x average cause math but the normalizing of this section is 0.8x. You'll want to average the SV sequence to 0.8x as a result to avoid changing up the reading on the player at last second and forcing them to adjust to a new scroll for only three beats. What you can do is something like this (adds up to 9.6/12 to get 0.8x average)

1. 00:17:162 - 0.3x
2. 00:17:821 - 0.5x
3. 00:17:904 - 1.2x
4. 00:17:986 - 2.0x
5. 00:18:069 - 3.5x

edit: i change my mind to keep it. the reason is the scrool going in a really fast pace that the player wont even see they coming so they dont have the reflex to the upcoming pattern. so far my SVs the prolly best choice for being readable

00:31:090 (31090|2,31255|2,31420|2,31585|2,31749|2,31914|2,32079|2,32244|2) - The stack here gets pretty long and repetitive while everything else has been a fairly short trill so far. I'd try to break it at 00:31:502 - ish like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9419284

00:32:986 - Imo, a bump using four units (1/8 snap) would have been better for emphasis as it sends the next note flying towards the player which represents the sudden stop in the music or smth i dunno.
00:33:151 - I'd apply the same thing here. if i'm not misunderstanding this, you wish me to go by 1,5 -> 0,83 on 1/8 interval from 4/8 snaps? its kinda didnt suit the bump you've been said. i honestly rather go like my current one as the bump are more noticeable to read

00:35:458 (35458|1,35788|1,36118|1,36447|1,36777|1,37107|1,37436|1,37766|1) - Long stack and also a lot of back and forth on the left hand. Not sure if it's intentional, but I dont think it is cause the following measure at 00:37:931 - only has a measure long stack before changing columns

00:40:898 - 00:41:227 - 4 - 1.8 = 2.2 / 3 = 0.733x as your final SV for these two timestamps listed. The current average is 1.125x which is inconsistent with the current normalizing SV of 1x. As a side note though, I think the placement of the SV is a bit odd. It would make more sense to put them on the downbeat rather than the 1/4 line before as the downbeat is where the sound comes in full force, though I think it's fine. You do need a normalizing SV at 00:41:475 - or you'll have to make the SV average with 5 units instead of 4. this is kinda intended to make the SVs more bumpy friendly towards mini LN.
if i put the starting value at the downbeat, the LN will become visually longer than what the noise should represnt so it'll kind of misleading that way

00:49:634 - I'd consider adding a note here to represent the height of the sound after which it kind of just tapers off into silence.

01:07:436 - to 01:07:931 - 1.15x average, although since you're kind of getting at a speed up for 01:07:931 - , I'd keep the average to 1x instead so the player will be accustomed to a 1x average at 01:07:931 - . Something like this would work (each value only lasts one unit)

01:10:568 - Think it'd be nice here to have a similar but probably weaker SV like the one at 01:07:931 - as the cut off is very sudden but the sound is rather weak with it only being a kick.

01:49:675 - Concerning this burst, I disagree with upping the note density rather than the rhythm here. Essentially, col 2 and 3 have all the minijacks with the outer columns in 1 and 4 only having 3/8 rhythms which are still pretty harder to predict. What I think would have worked better here is a single note roll of 1/12 going into 1/16 at 01:50:129 - , like so https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9419329 . Or, you could add jumps to the 1/12 rather than using 1/16 which gets really dense really fast https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9419337 changed for now, might change back to 1/8js if people getting to disagree with this. (though i know the burst is 1/12 justified lul but meh maniaq)

01:53:755 - Edgy SVs, I couldn't be any prouder tbh yos

01:55:115 - 01:55:280 - tfw not 1x average reeee. Make 0.4x to 0.5x or make the 2.5x to 2.8x and leave the 0.4x.
01:59:359 - ^ Also, is there any reason for this one to start with the slow value first and fast value second when the first time it occured was a simple fast -> slow bump? Makes the reading a bit awkward too as it connects a slow-fast to fast-slow sequence which I think is better suited for sounds that crescendo/decrescendo rather than sudden stops. you might notice on how the song suddenly afloat with the stops. imo its better to slow -> fast rather than vice versa
02:00:390 - 02:00:554 - s m h. So on and so forth, not gonna mention the rest of these

01:58:041 - In my opinion, for SV sequences that span over LNs, I tend to favor having them be reversed and start slow value -> fast value as it drags the LN out at the very start, making it seem like it's never going to be released as opposed to jumping forward first before dragging in a really short time frame.pretty much my preference on how the song acts like "holding" its "beat". based on my experience also, people tend to control fast ->
slow more perfectly rather than slow -> fast because of the nature sense of "we dont know when the notes will speeding up"

02:12:711 - 02:13:041 - half half method on 3/4 LNs *sad life* Would honestly have benefitted from a simple bump like 02:12:711 - 2x and 02:12:793 - 0.5x, cap at 02:12:958 - with 1x.

03:02:903 (182903|0,182986|0) - t r i g g e r e d. Honestly, the minijack this creates is a really hard transition as the patterns immediately after this are all focused on the left hand in order to contrast the right hand heavy patterns used in the previous measure, so I'd just delete the first note in 1 and avoid the minijack altogether.

03:06:612 - For this, I think the ending burst is a bit unfair to players who have made it this far as the sound is a bit smoother than the rest of the sounds that are represented with bursts. Also, there's the fact that there's a 1/4 pause at the very end which can be a bit misleading when reading as a lot of people will simply assume it is a consistent roll going all the way to the last chord at 03:06:942 - . What I think should be used instead is a simple LN with a gradually increasing SV to show how the sound kind of lurches forward a bit. Wont list all the SVs here but poke me in discord if you need an idea of what kind of sv Im talking about.


[Another]
00:49:469 - Tfw edgy SV here but no edgy SV in Ultimate smh. Anyways, they aren't averaged though cause you need 16 units to properly utilize a 10x SV (could do 12 but that's not enough edge). Either way, these only use 8 units, so the max rankable value you could do is 7.3x to 0.1x. Or you can set BPM to 2912 and set snap to 1/16 and set 10x to 0.4x SVs that way if you really wanted, but the space between 1/16 snaps is only 2 ms so it's not worth it as it's too unnoticeable. deleted entirely. i forgot to remove this since i was too focused around ultimate lol

01:07:436 - Same thing as mentioned in ultimate

01:37:931 (97931|0,98096|3) - Might control H this or something cause none of the ministacks have ever been in col 1 so far and they have a bit of a bias towards the right hand in col 3 and 4.

03:00:183 (180183|0,180266|2,180348|1,180348|3,180431|2,180513|0) - Nice symmetry but at the same time I hate the movement restriction :ccc but its a gem (geddit DD)

03:01:255 (181255|0) - Think it would be better to either move this to col 2 or move 03:01:172 (181172|0) - to 2 to avoid the sudden minijack which may be justified due to the synth being the same pitch here, but it feels out of place as the section so far has been pretty rolly and smooth to play.


[Hyper]
00:30:019 - Not too sure how I feel about this as it is a Hyper diff and longer jumpstreams like this tend to be focused more on the difficulty just above this level. I might reduce the amount of jumps to be only every 2/1 instead of 1/1 as the player is still just mastering 1/4 bursts and singles I think. but then it'll lost its contrasts to Another. we have Advanced as an alternative. putting chord every 2/1 isnt musically fit either since its literally become layering inconsistency

01:28:865 (88865|0) - Rather than use an LN here, I think you're fine mapping the 3/2 long 1/4 burst here as you have already introduced denser 1/4 patterning to the player before, so it seems kind of anticlimactic to only extend an LN over the entire series of sound.

01:49:799 (109799|2,109881|1,109964|2,110046|0,110129|1,110211|2,110293|0,110376|2) - I think it'd be better to control H here to avoid having a 1/2 ministack on the same hand as the LN or something, cause I keep missing here and it's making me sad https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9420533 i thinki keep this. it feels like doesnt seem to flow for me because of the one handed minitrill before the LN (look at the first 2 notes of your screenshot and the LN after it)

02:44:689 - I'd try to differentiate the roll direction or something a bit because it's identical to Another atm and does feel slightly repetitive the way it is now https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9420547


[Advanced]
00:44:689 - I think you're missing a note for the piano here because every where else in this section has at least a single note for it :thinking:

01:00:348 (60348|0,60843|3,61337|1) - I'd change the arrangement of these LNs as they're the same as 00:57:711 - despite being different pitches.


[Standard]
02:00:019 (120019|3,120348|0,120348|3) - Shouldn't this still be [3]/[2][23] as you mapped all the snares in the same column, changing only at the end of the measure but this little miniphrase hasnt been completed yet but the chord changes from [23] to [14].


[Basic]
01:31:667 (91667|3,91997|0) - Think it would have been nice to stack these two notes to represent the staccato kick.
01:34:304 (94304|2,94634|0) - ^ just to add a little variation to the map.

02:23:425 (143425|3) - I'd consider moving this to col 2 and then turning 02:22:766 (142766|3) - into a 2/1 LN to represent the constantly increasing speed of the rhythm.

Protastic101 wrote:

mods are a social construct

[General]

1. Might wanna increase HP of As' Intermediate to 7.5 or something cause there's a bunch of little 1/4 rolls that the player won't really be punished for if they miss a lot in.// how about 8?
2. Spent about 20 minutes checking that every sample in the folder was used and it is T_T)b

[As' Intermediate]
00:55:953 (55953|2,56063|3,56282|1,56392|3,56612|1,56722|0) - I think it'd be nice to put these solely on one hand to better emphasize the kicks here, and leave the rest of the synths on the other hand, like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9420599 // change to that, thankyou

03:06:942 (186942|1,188260|3) - Tbh, I think it's a bit odd to split the LNs here as they're basically part of the same sound with no distinct separation or cut between them to show that they're different sounds. Instead, the volume just grows a little bit faster at 03:08:260 - so I think overlapping the LNs similar to what the other diffs have done would be a more accurate representation of the crescendo.// fine i'll do that

Guilhermeziat wrote:

Hi, I came across the map and I really liked it but I found a couple inconsistencies on your last difficulty so I'll try to convey my points about them as well as possible while trying not to hurt your mapping structure.

Ultimate

00:45:348 - Maybe repattern this section to this instead ( http://puu.sh/yfue9/c131d47ca9.jpg )? I think it represents the pitch going up better without making it too dense, unless you really want to follow the triple layering. wasnt it already and yeah i still want to keep the triple, alas it'll become inconsistent with the rest of this section

00:49:799 - 00:55:733 - This could use more variety, it goes on for really long and it feels like you just copy pasted and mirrored the patterns a few times. Maybe you could layer a triple every third beat (like on 00:50:458 - and 00:51:447 - and so on) where there's a stronger kick (just like you were doing before) and then vary the pattern right after it (Example: http://puu.sh/yfuL7/d8cac22e3c.jpg though it doesn't need to be exactly like that, it's just to add a bit more variety). I don't think this will make it much harder either, so that'd be solved for you aswell. i'm actually in the brink of "yes" or "no"
on this. mainly the concern its about triple stacks. which seem to be quite harsh execution since there's SVs. secondly, it'll lose contrast between this diff and Another which contains pretty light hammerjack while this diff emphasized it more

00:55:733 (55733|3,55733|2) - 00:56:063 (56063|3,56063|2) - 00:56:392 (56392|3,56392|2) - These could also be triples, since the kick gets really hard on them, but it's up to you. I didn't highlight 00:56:722 (56722|2,56722|3) - for this matter because it's the start of a burst and it would make the transition a bit rough, however changing it from a [34] chord to a [14] chord I think would represent the crash better. Applying all the mods, it'd probably look something like this I guess ( http://puu.sh/yfuXG/71cbff24e0.jpg ), however applying the double change would require you to change up the patterning of the roll burst afterwards, so that's up to you. i guess i agree with the 2 and 3 but not the first one, however. since the first are not the part of the climax part

01:47:161 (107161|0,107161|1) - I also hear a crash in this double right here, so maybe consider changin it to a [14] aswell, but without inverting the hand that does the jumps again. I think it'd look pretty neat. it doesnt seem to be aesthetical-ish so i think i'll pass this one :c

01:49:140 - - to 01:50:458 - This goes way overboard compared to the rest of the map. Highly suggest you either start this as a 1/6 roll and then speed it up to 1/8 on the second part or just keep it at a 1/8 roll all along. Having a spike like this hurts the structure of the map in general due to the difference in difficulty, and it surely isn't very fun for players who are either trying to pass the song or FC it. Hah, just imagine, getting a really good acc FC up to that point and then getting absolutely trolled. kind of.... no. first off that we heard those burst are really really dense in which they definitely above the usual 1/8 setting. so using either 1/6 or 1/8 in a dense part are quite misleading. its also making it a little to no difference with "Another" in which in another way, pretty misleading since its displayed "Harder" than Another.


SV section: This looks awesome
01:53:178 (113178|2,113260|3,113343|1,113425|0,113508|2,113590|3,113672|1) - I'd check this patterning again if I were you, because I think 01:53:508 (113508|2,113672|1) - are ghost notes.
02:03:727 (123727|1,123810|0,123892|3,123975|2,124057|0,124140|1,124222|3) - ^ wha? i believe they're the part of the wub noises
01:55:568 (115568|3,115651|0) - Pretty sure this is a 1/6 burst (something like this http://puu.sh/yfw8v/20e00dfeb5.jpg ) woop
02:10:568 - Missing note? Not that this one matters too much because you put an SV here to another sound anyway. already represented by LN there so i guess its fine


02:22:766 (142766|2,142766|1) - and 02:23:425 (143425|2,143425|0,143425|3) - These chords... I don't really know what to say to fix the first one, but i'm guessing you don't really want to take it away if it's there in the first place, do you. As to the second one, I'd just reduce it to a double on [34] to prevent this minijack (02:23:425 (143425|2,143425|0,143425|3) - ) idk. its actually pretty fit for emphasis towards dense LN. well i think 1/4 minijack is kinda doable since ite present in the othe parts in the map as well

02:23:920 (143920|0,144002|1,144085|2,144167|3,144167|0,144249|1,144332|2,144414|0,144414|1,144414|3) - I don't know about you, but I don't hear the sound you're mapping LNs to on these notes 02:24:002 (144002|1,144167|3) - and i do hear it here 02:24:249 (144249|1) - . Might wanna get that part checked aswell (though the pattern is really cool and I'd leave it just for the aesthetics hue but this is the ranking criteria ). its a pitch (?) if i'm not mistaken. .. they simply represent the Gradual pitch raise :ddd

First main kiai: I'm not exactly sure if you're trying to map the synth or the hihats or both here, so take these mods with a grain of salt. Layering looks fine and the kiai is really fun to play too .
02:25:651 (145651|2) - Ghost note?
02:27:629 - Missing note?
02:28:453 - ^
02:28:782 (148782|1) - Ghost note?
02:30:925 (150925|0) - ^
02:33:892 - Missing note?
02:36:200 (156200|1) - Ghost note?
02:38:178 - Missing note?
02:39:332 (159332|0) - Ghost note?
02:41:475 (161475|2) - ^ I'll keep the "Ghost notes" as they are actually have noises tho :u some kind of synth and some are pitch changes else is yep

LN section between both kiais
02:44:689 (164689|2,164771|3,164854|0,164936|1,165019|2,165101|3,165183|1,165266|0,165348|2,165431|3) - I think this is supposed to be snapped to 1/3, unless you're not mapping the wubs. If you're mapping the synths here, then 02:44:689 (164689|2) - 02:44:936 (164936|1) - 02:45:183 (165183|1) - 02:45:266 (165266|0) - 02:45:431 (165431|3) - are the ones that should have LNs mapped to them, pretty sure the rest of them would be ghost notes. not really ghost notes if i must say, they are correctly represent the pitch raise every 1/4.

Second main kiai: I really liked how you spiced things up with the LNs here super cool
02:48:068 - Missing note?
02:58:618 - ^
03:06:118 (186118|1) - Ghost note? its still have noises, though not the one in particular follows but in order to not break aesthethics i decided to make it flows towards col 1 since the pitch are descended
03:06:530 - Missing note?

Good luck with your map! Hope I helped! I really liked it
I can also mod the other diffs if there's any need by the way

DDMythical wrote:

that burst ruins an otherwise good chart

The rest of this chart is fine so i'm just going to focus in on this burst and why it has massive playability issues in relation to the rest of this chart.

01:48:521 (108521|3,108563|2,108604|1,108645|3,108645|0) - rolls into splitjumptrills are extremely well used -- this is how you create a buildup without an nps increase.

01:49:661 (109661|1) - this isnt.

The way this is done is kind of silly; The pattern is meant to be jumptrilled I get this -- but you're cutting off a massive audience of players who want to play this for acc or w/e. This entire spike is a luckshot whether you hit it or not because its meant to be manipulated and its already a huge spike -- as seen on the NPS graph.

Suggesting that this burst instead starts with 01:49:140 (109140|0) - a 1/4th splitroll to emphasise the sound which is splitting up and lead in to a pattern at (01:49:634 (109634|0) -) which could be a 1/6th roll (consistently rolling in one direction) and then flipping the direction that it rolls at 01:50:129 (110129|3) - (removing the jump aswell) and emphasising the increase by switching the snapping to 1/8th.


Reasoning:

This pattern is much more playable and doesn't make the chart a luckshot.
This pattern is much more enjoyable for people who are just able to do the rest of it -- at the moment this is a spike so as if you can (almost) hit this you can smash the rest of the file and generally be bored; unless you're going for acc -- which isn't worth it because this section is a luckshot. It's a catch 22.

bleh

Slightly more objective wording

you created a great chart and ruined it with a single luckshot burst which pretty much ruins the entire chart as a knock on effect.
now this chart isn't playable for acc and isn't playable for people who would struggle with the HS/JS sections because this burst would just dropkick them

pp has nothing to do with any point of my argument don't bring it up

DDMythical wrote:

double posting

aight looked over your edit:

It doesn't fix the problem.

To be absolutely honest any use of 1/12th in this diff (unless its for grace or flams w/e) is too hard.

I think the only way to do this without it being luck based is to have the burst -- at its absolute ending peak -- be 1/8th.

01:49:140 (109140|3,109181|1,109222|3) - also there's a really dumb minitrill here

backed up points edition

1/12 streams in this are 546bpm 1/4ths. Since they are entirely jumptrillable we can take the benefit of halfing this to 273bpm jumptrill burst. Now the reason this stands out so much in comparison to the rest of the file -- as clearly indicated on the NPS graph -- is that the rest of the file is 182bpm trilly handstream. This is a massive skill gap.

I understand your reasoning of wanting this diff to be explicitly harder than another but the thing is -- not every single segment has to be harder and in this case you can actually express the difficulty increase in the other parts of the chart with harder handstream and different patterning (which you already have done) so actually, even if this burst is the same density as another the difficulty is still harder throughout the rest of it.


To fully show this i've created a slightly edited version where the burst is 1/6-1/8 just to show how the NPS graph changes and overall looks more fluid.



You can see that the spikes in intensity are still clearly represented but the chart no longer looks (or plays) like a luckshot file. Overall with these changes I think the file would be much more playable and enjoyable -- not only for high level players -- but for everyone looking to play at it as; as it stands this chart is really ruined by this burst (and from what I've gathered from other modders and players -- they think the same.)

EDIT:

MY BURST.OSU DOWNLOAD BLEH

https://pastebin.com/RpwAPmzY

juankristal wrote:

So I am going to pop this bubble for multiple reasons. Reason number one would be because I am going to be moved to probation due to my low activity and secondly because I feel the beginner is a bit too harsh for what the difficulty level indicates. A beginner should be playable for anyone who never touched the game before in his life and I feel this might touch a bit too complex things. Another reason in my opinion is that the bursts of the hardest difficulty are questionable at best so I will cover everything the best I can. o no

Beginner:

00:24:909 (24909|1) - This one I would rather have it deleted. I feel the same scenario happens in 00:26:887 - here but it gets ignored. The rhytms for such an easy difficulty as this one should be not complex at any point so going 1/2 triples then break then repeat only once cuts a bit the consistency factor in my opinion. The one with the jump because it works as a clearer transition and is also more significant in terms of music intensity.

00:45:183 (45183|0,45513|3) - I am not so sure about this LNs. I get the intention but I would rather have something like a double in 00:45:843 - here to get emphasys for the piano-ish sound. If thats what you are looking for I think it makes more sense to follow the ending with a bit more intensity rather than having two LNs following just part of the rhytm that the piano emulates if that makes sense.

00:49:140 (49140|1,49140|0) - Would personally make this a 1/2 1-2-34 stair instead. Without the LN pointed there of course. I makes up for a better transition to end of section feeling imo. aint that would be contrary to your concern before about beginner being "too hard"?

01:18:810 - I would say this is a bit too hard for a beginner difficulty to be honest. The rhytms are way too broken (even though it follows the song perfectly) so it plays a bit hard for any player up to this level of difficulty. I would honestly just follow the piano ticks with single notes but this is kinda subjective so feel free to analyze it yourself.

No matter what you pick this is a no no no no no 01:27:711 (87711|0,87876|2,88041|1,88041|3) - . Make it 1-2-34 or even a 1-4-12 in worst case scenario to keep some sort of trill motion but not lowering the density.

01:52:766 (112766|1) - Move to 4, having release + press on the same hand is too hard. Probably the same goes here but move to 2 01:50:458 (110458|2) -

02:02:986 (122986|1,123151|2,123315|0) - rip noob players

02:06:942 - I would do something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9659105 its a bit too challenging otherwise. idk since the rythm is odd enough, using LN isnt really the best way imo. since they need to deal with odd releases

02:23:013 - Try this, I think your way to do it is a bit too hard as well. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9659131 not really change on this since i want to keep the LN place on it. current place are the loudest buildup that could be heard.

Standard

In general I am not a fan of this difficulty. I feel its done with no cares in general and I dont really feel anything while playing it. I would suggest a few things to improve the situation:

For the intro up until the mark of 30 seconds I made a custom section to replace what you currently have. I feel the way you made it isnt necesarily bad or anything I just think that its not reaching the potential the diff could reach. I will drop the .osu file of what I did to see if you can find out some ideas out of it and perhaps change your map in that direction a bit https://puu.sh/ywLMm/ca30a2b07d.txt. i feel like your version is kinda not contrasted with both beginner and aste's. i want it to be like an introduce to higher snapping usage but still living every 2 measure with breaks

00:32:986 (32986|3,33151|3,33151|1) - Here I would make it 2 doubles without a jack. I think it works because it emulates the intensity I think you want to achieve but the minijack there is way too rude for this diff, specially considering the jump from beginner.

01:54:744 (114744|3) - why not double smh 01:57:381 (117381|0) - (this one 34)
02:00:019 - aaaa same and there are some more but zzz they are kind of intended. making the doubles all the ways is somewhat too hard for the progression.


02:25:074 - For this section I HIGHLY recommend you to follow the main music because man, it would be a waste if you dont. I again drafted something for you to use in this section in case you find it cool. If you want to use it, follow it up until 02:30:348 - where you have to repeat-ish it. (i sent it to you on discord because puush is a d) so kinda did but in my own way + approximate them as closely as possible because 1/4 thing isnt really feasible for progression imo. plus the placement of each isnt in usual beat where it could be predictable. Aste already did it and i think its best to keep the concept on him.

For the rest is mostly fine, I think we can give another go once we are done with the rest.

For the rest of the set I will follow up later most likely, my eyes are about to explode. So I will take a short look on what I think are big issues in the hardest difficulty now:

Ultimate

I am not an expert on SVs but I am 100% sure 00:40:898 - this SVs dont play well at all. They feel waay too sudden and the fact that they are LNs makes them ultra akward to hit properly. I imagine it might have to deal with the fact that the 0,9 SV is right in the moment where the note ticks and I would probably move it down a bit they are intended so there would be a bump feel without tricking the LN visually. i dont think the LN is awkward imo. a couple testplay i asked before are same, they dont feel really troubled on this part

I feel the SV section changes are a bit off, I understand the reasoning to change the pattern else it would be just ultra mindblock material and kinda boring and not really diverse but I think the changes in pattern arent really that justified at least in the mappers perspective. Perhaps players wont feel it as much due to the patterns being too bland but I would make the changes in pattern for sections like this 00:50:458 (50458|1,50458|0,50568|3,50568|2,50678|2,50678|3,50788|0,50788|1) - instead. You can hear that there is some sort of repeated jackstyle-ish sound there that supports the pattern change without making it look weird. Basically just did what you exactly did but making the transitions 2/1 beats earlier and probably one more time. hope i get this lol

For the bursts... 394 bpm streams with doubles is way too much haha. Even harder considering the transition before it. Please remove the doubles in the 1//8s bursts at least, the rest can be discussed. muh pp :'

02:24:746 - Why this part has no LNs but the ending does? I mean sure, you want the end of the end to be the most intensive but really, this part is just way too easy compared to anything else and its reaaally asking for some LN action. We can sort it out one day on IRC for sure. one thing for sure that the 1st chorus are entirely act as an introduce to the more trickier part. and i dont really wont to change its since it'll lost the contrast with Another i might kinda screwed the LN part a bit so i guess if you have a thing that come in mind to make it more cool, is welcome c:

The mod of the last difficulty isnt really a mod I would say, instead, is just marking what I think are the biggest points of issues but the real mod would take place another day. Call me back once you answered this if I dont come back earlier than that.

juankristal wrote:

So I am going to pop this bubble for multiple reasons. Reason number one would be because I am going to be moved to probation due to my low activity and secondly because I feel the beginner is a bit too harsh for what the difficulty level indicates. A beginner should be playable for anyone who never touched the game before in his life and I feel this might touch a bit too complex things. Another reason in my opinion is that the bursts of the hardest difficulty are questionable at best so I will cover everything the best I can.

A's

00:26:310 (26310|2,26392|3,26557|0,26640|1,26722|0) - Make those (and all of them kind) something different. Its a bit too hard to one hand trill like that at this level. I would suggest keep the trill motion but in a different way. For example, you can do 1-4-1 or 4-1-4 or even 1-3-2, etc.

02:08:178 (128178|2) - Would move to 2, similar reasons, makes it easier.

02:22:766 (142766|2,142931|0,143013|2,143178|0,143260|2,143425|0) - This is just WAAY too confusing for players in this range. Something like this could work http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9659399 // my apologize but your suggestion make it a bit confusing to read, i just found out that the placement of 1 notes before the pointed one are missplaced and makes it looks like it's 1 chain with the pointed one (should be on 4 instead, i forgot to move that), but thanks for pointing that out

You would be missing 1/4 notes in 02:28:370 - and 02:28:535 -. If you want to avoid this being a bit too technical you could just make an LN out of the last note here 02:28:205 (148205|1) - and extend it until the moment you want to start the 1/4 stream. Avoid using 1/4 breaks in 1/4 streams for this difficulty level. // in this section, i tried to follow the synth so there should be a breaks like that, but after some checking again, yeah the snaps are a bit confusing and i change some of the snaps so it less confusing, i guess

In general, most of the ending just works like that and its a bit confusing for the level you are aiming for. I dont think you should remap everything there but certainly keep an eye in the broken 1/4s like the ones I mentioned. They are probably not so many of them that could be fixed in the same way I presented or probably even more ways.

juankristal wrote:

okey this took way longer than expected

Advanced

00:18:810 (18810|2,18975|0,19140|1) - Those should be trills, 3-1-3 works
00:26:722 (26722|1,26887|3,27052|2) - ^ 2-4-2 and 00:27:216 (27216|1) - on 3

00:30:019 - ay spikes. I would make all these 1/4s up until 00:30:925 - rolls from 4 to 1 since the sound is basically repeating itself so using pattern repetition sounds about right.

00:31:997 - Did something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9858355. Probably isnt the most optimal solution but the diff as it is strains too much the right hand in this part so I tried to balance it out a bit.

02:09:497 (129497|0) - Sure this shouldnt be attached to the red tick instead? Like 1/2

02:34:964 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9858387 Would delete that double since the density picks up a bit compared to the rest of the map. Also using trill motion for the drum there sounds fine. 02:56:063 - same if you apply i think that would be inconsistent with the rest of the same snare which i map it as double

Another

00:24:579 (24579|1) - I am not a fan of this shield release tbh. Neither here nor the harder diff. I feel they are actually 2 different sounds instead of just a long one. You could sort it around to make it more confortable though, similar to what you did in ultimate.

00:49:799 - Should probably apply what I mentioned in the hardest diff in my previous mod.

00:57:601 (57601|3,57711|3) - noo0o0oa0oae0tiay6097yi09a6u4ai6k. Check the hardest diff and move around some stuff to sort that minijack out xD. Or just move the LN, something.

Technically the 1/4 stream should start here 01:28:535 - for this and the hardest diff. Its a personal choice not to do so? If so thats fine but just want to double check. hmm not so obvious for me so yea i guess i'll leave it like that xd

01:48:480 - I did something like this here https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9858512 to make it easier to follow. I personally find it easier and not too different but its up to you for this one I guess since it seems like a "drastical" change. i guess not for this. its quite my preference and doesnt seem to play bad xd

01:49:799 - Instead of bumping up the ultimate diff with jumps in the middle of 360 bpm streams I would do something like this in this diff to make up for the difficulty gap instead of making ultimate harder just keep this burst a bit easier https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9858476 i personally didnt like a thing where everything-should-be-hard-but-its-done-in-easy-way stuff. might be true for lower diff but i guess not this one. it'll lost contrast with hyper since it has streams too

Ultimate

01:39:497 - That one is intentional? Dont feel its strong enough to follow that guess i'll make this anchorable :d

remove jumps of the burst pls. Also you could (and perhaps ask some people around what they think too) do something similar to what I suggested in the previous diff. well... they are claps.people i asked for testplays are also fine with it. changed the pattern to be a little bit more readable after the js anyway

02:23:343 (143343|0,143425|0) - Not a fan of, would likely delete 02:23:425 (143425|2) - this one and avoid the minijack completely.

Most of the stuff marked in the previous diff could be applied here to some extent