chano & 40mP - Natsukoi Hanabi‬ · forum‬

Bariton

Joined October 2012

Monstrata wrote:
Bariton's Insane

00:06:993 (3,1,2) - Why isn't this mapped with repeats too? the rhythm changes
00:13:639 (4,5) - Why is this a stack? Shouldn't you do a jump for the violin since you emphasize it with a jump other places ?00:13:069 (3) - 00:16:107 (2) -00:16:866 (1) - . fixed
00:18:006 (5) - The violin is suddenly mapped to a slider-end xP when you were mappign it to jumps for the 3 places i mentioned earlier fixed
00:26:740 (3) - I would recommend removing the repeat and mapping something on 00:27:310 - . but there's no strong sound in 00:27:310
00:35:854 (2,3) - Why is this stacked tho, theres a snare xP. 00:31:487 (3,4) - This is different from here? fixed
.

thanks!!

heyheyhey

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Tags:sugar panoram a note summer festival fireworks chano Trynna Mun Bariton MkGuh Shizuku- Mirash Delis Ataraxia
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Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,294 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
I need sometime before replying this. It's so ilogic that I need to have a good rest before having enough patience for this...

I'll probably apply 3 or 4 points mentioned about placement and emphasis, but rhythm suggestions I'm not really willing to change since I'm pretty confident with the circle rhythm adopted in the map and the sudden gaps to twist it.

I appreciate that you guys are trying to defend it, but sadly that way of doing is fun but not very polite, after all if a person is being rude and making jokes towards you, the reply shouldn't be of the same nature (even if he deserves that).

Thanks

Monstrata wrote:
Also I bookmarked this thread in case it ever gets bubbled ^^. Better let Net0 reply instead of trying to criticize my mod. I'm too good of a modder to care if the entire BR community doesn't agree, it just means your entire community is wrong.

#gangsta
#despacito

p.s: So you're gonna veto the map now for no reason?

Monstrata wrote:
You can't veto a map without hearing the other person's side first. What if they fix everything you considered an issue? Don't make this a repeat of Alien... A veto happens when you and the mapper are unable to agree on something.

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
Net0 wrote:
I need sometime before replying this. It's so ilogic that I need to have a good rest before having enough patience for this...
I'll probably apply 3 or 4 points mentioned about placement and emphasis, but rhythm suggestions I'm not really willing to change since I'm pretty confident with the circle rhythm adopted in the map and the sudden gaps to twist it.

I appreciate that you guys are trying to defend it, but sadly that way of doing is fun but not very polite, after all if a person is being rude and making jokes towards you, the reply shouldn't be of the same nature (even if he deserves that).

Thanks

Monstrata wrote:
Also I bookmarked this thread in case it ever gets bubbled ^^. Better let Net0 reply instead of trying to criticize my mod. I'm too good of a modder to care if the entire BR community doesn't agree, it just means your entire community is wrong.

#gangsta
#despacito
p.s: So you're gonna veto the map now for no reason?

Monstrata wrote:
You can't veto a map without hearing the other person's side first. What if they fix everything you considered an issue? Don't make this a repeat of Alien... A veto happens when you and the mapper are unable to agree on something.

I probably won't veto. I've only had to veto what, one map ever? But I will like to read the opinions of BN's who support this map and at least discuss it a bit further before potential nominations, if I have the time. (Operate under the assumption I won't come back). If you find someone who genuinely supports this set, I won't try and stop you. There are some good diffs, Shizuku's especially.

Bariton

306 posts

Joined October 2012

Bariton 8 years ago

feel free to delete my diff if it's gonna be a drag to the set

Genjuro

657 posts

Joined August 2013

Genjuro 8 years ago

cool map and awesome song! ;D!

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 8 years ago

@Monstrata 00:15:537 (1,2) - nerfed the jump a bit. about more emphasis on 00:15:917 (2,3) -, as it's forcing a different movement from 00:15:537 (1,2) - i think it's pretty cool, as it's not that strong sound
01:00:348 (5,6) - I don't really get what you meant with 3/4 spacing at all but as this diff tries to say that stacked objects can be read as stacks without many trouble, the thing is no matter the spacing at all, and also it's pretty clear the pattern about making the spacing larger on 00:59:588 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -

rest fixed without many trouble i guess ??
thank

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Ephemeral

Inland Empire

3,947 posts

Joined April 2009

Ephemeral 8 years ago

Can we not provoke people needlessly and also not post shitty misappropriated memes? That'd be great, thanks.

Mirash

Nomination Assessment Team

707 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 8 years ago

00:05:664 (2) - i just don't like the feeling of two objects being clickable in a row in that case
00:06:993 (3) - i feel like it works well for introduction to the next part
00:17:721 (1) - it plays just like a doublet and average player of such diffs will play it just fine i think
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - they fit in bell sounds and red ticks are highlighted better this way
00:25:031 (1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - if you listen to that two circles at right side they are mapped to a strong drums that are also at the right side, and the rest is just 1-2-3 pattern that i think fits nicely without emphasizing every strong beats
00:30:158 (1,2,1,1,2) - well, kinda agree at this point, reduced spacings
01:07:183 - 01:13:829 - just why... what?

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Doguu

114 posts

Joined September 2014

Doguu 8 years ago

I literally uploaded a map a couple days ago where I tried to make a corner note feel appropriate even when in the beginning/at rest points where cursor should be in a neutral rest position in the middle of the screen by making the slider body go outward or in a direction that compliments the flow of jolting from the center of the screen to the corner. No I don't think it's an unrankable issue but yes I do feel it's a valid point to bring up in a mod. It just seems like an instant retry for first time plays. There was little harm to it being brought up because the point of the mod was to give ideas to improve the map. This is just an idea... Calm down ya memes xd lel :p crucify me.

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,294 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Nostalgic Festival

00:00:348 (1) - Man, beginning the map at the corner of the screen is really bad for player positioning xP Especially mouse users.
There are 3 cases which I think you can analyse the placement of the first object of the map;
1- It's irrelevant when the mapper is doing his map on free-hand style. This means that if you're a mapper that doesn't go for patterning but rather free placement with aesthetical spacing complementation that just moves around the screen as the map goes, taking the first object into analysis is just useless
2- You're actually modding the spacing of the starting pattern, in which case, you don't mention the first object, but rather you mod the pattern itself 00:00:348 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - and mention whatever it is you need to about spacing/flow/visual etc
3- You actually took into account that it's a relevant aspect when the mapper is making a playfield concept map, which is the case here. This map uses a lot of specific spots on the playfield for specific sound trasitions which is the aspect I hoped ppl would mod and suggest stuff to improve it. But since it's too subtle I guess it's just one of those things ppl may never notice (after all you need to make stuff retarded nowadays to people notice stuff in a map since everything is exaggerated when ppl think of concepts).
So yeah the reason it's placed there is because it's the starting point of the map and also the ending point of the map 01:37:563 (1) - something you could never noticed since you modded just 30 seconds of the diff , there's also the fact that whenever I wasn't on kiai, the emphasized stuff (combo 1) most of the time is placed above on the playfield, compared to the objects that follows it.
00:13:829 (5,6) - Why is this not a slider :S Considering how you mapped 00:13:069 (3,4) - . I did to avoid repetition, but you want more consistency, so I made it slider, FIXED
00:16:867 (5,6) - etc..^^
00:18:765 (2,1) - This is way too big, and it causes the jump onto 00:19:145 (2,1) - to feel totally unemphasized. Because it was intended that way. This entire pattern is made in groups 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - /00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - /00:20:094 (1,2,1,2) - /00:20:854 (1,2,1,2) - /00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - that's my interpretation for the song there. The first group is more importantly mapped compared to the second one.
00:20:474 (1,2,1,2) - Same ideas here. Your emphasis is misplaced and you're suddenly emphasizing red ticks. It causes the jump on 00:21:423 (2,1) - to feel unimportant comparativeily cuz of the similar spacing being used earlier.I re-worked the spacing here to avoid making 2-1 transitions bigger to the consecutive 1-2
You're clearly mapping these jumps for aesthetic purposes but theyre hurting playability.Playability is fine, not using unplayable stuff here, just unsual wide angles.
00:24:272 (1,2,3,4,1) - If you rotated thsi 120 degrees it would flow so much better considering the counterclockwise movement you had earlier
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https://puu.sh/y1DgL.png
It would, but that also would make the transition to the stream fall flat with confortable flow, you see, I'm doing a contrast there; the angles here 00:23:322 (2,3,4,5,6) - are all linear 120º but the stream moviment is sudden sharpenedto 60º 00:24:082 (6,1) - This makes it difficult while still keeping it spacing wise coherent
00:25:411 - Why isn't this mapped tho lol... It's a piano sound with no percussion; Also there's a rhythm construction here; 00:24:651 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - first you have the gap idea that should come up with all groups 00:24:651 (1,2) - /00:25:220 (3,4) - /00:25:980 (1,2) - /00:26:740 (1,2) - second, you have an increasing singletap objects groupíng from 2 00:25:031 (2,3) - to 3 00:25:601 (4,5,1,2,3,1) - to 400:27:120 (2,3,4,1) - which helps building up a bit more of tension in this section

Uhh I really can't agree with how you map this lmao... I feel that way about a lot of maps out there, but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.
If you actually plan to make convincing changes to what i mentioned earlier, then you can poke me to mod the rest of the diff.Whatever issues you may point that will improve the map inside its concepts I'll change it just like I did with this mod ^^, so feel free to point more stuff.

You guys are trying too hard to be creative, but there is no baseline "standard mapping" to deviate from though. The issue with making everything creative is, if there is nothing to deviate from, it doesn't come across as unique or special, just different. Look at Shizuku's approach if you want a good idea of how to properly implement creative elements.
It's creative as much as it is different. I'd say that going for a different mapping might not be creative inside your own idea Monstrata, but being different is something that this mapset is REALLY going for and something that ranked category is missing currently.

Do you know WHY you liked Shizuku- diff more?
It wasn't because of the contrast between "regular" and "irregular" sections, it's because the map itself was made with the current mapping visual/spacing standards and you could recognize your mapping there.
looking at this visual is painful for most of the current mapping/modding community
Compared to this for example
But you guys need to understand that this fact is not objectivelly "one is better compared to the other" is just preference. I don't like current visuals and so I map for the people who also don't like the current standards.

Also every single modder had its own "personal favorite" among the diffs, and that only proves how well this mapset result is because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE INSANE DIFFS is different compared to each other, and that's how it is supposed to be.

Mirash/Delis visual is kinda similar, however delis design is more classy and oriented into Shinxyn while Mirash follows his own mapping based on overmapped rhythms/90º flow similar to a few 2012 maps. Trynna makes everything flow linear like an insane diff, but adds some cool stuff to make it more interesting such as the double pattern visual idea 00:00:917 (3,4) - that's used in a lot of different ways in different song sections to keep the player attention while also introducing 1/2 spacing concepts similar to Delis and Mirash 00:23:322 (1,2,3,4,5) - . Bariton is a big fan of imoutosan's idea of overlapping sliders and his overall mapping is based on that while keeping the star rating low so that even new players can enjoy something a bit different. Shizuku- and Mun have a more contemporary aesthetic idea in their maps. Shizuku-'s goes for a traditional modern map but adding a reading element with stacks in it, while Mun pretty much uses a techical mapping structure whenever it's possible and the song supports it.

So yeah I don't think we're tryharding or forcing stuff in a degree that ISN'T already stablished as rankable. You see, the problem with ranking Delta Decision, Taki and Mitsuha extras, Alien and a lot of your maps is that now ,for isonomic reasons, other people can overdo stuff in an extreme way too if they have their reasoning. (if ranking process is not treated as a privilege ofc).

Now for the ppl who are saying "overreact and etc"

the problem here is that Monstrata already joked about this map and so his friends did too;

2017-09-16 01:58 Net0: omg are you really mapping that too?!
2017-09-16 02:05 Monstrata: yes!!
2017-09-16 02:06 Monstrata: do you want me to gd for you?
2017-09-16 02:06 Monstrata: ill just upload for now you're free to take it im not going to make a full set ^^
2017-09-16 02:06 Net0: well sure
2017-09-16 02:06 Net0: Where did you took the mp3?
2017-09-16 02:06 Net0: offset and stuff
2017-09-16 02:08 Monstrata: stole from ur set so it should be fine
2017-09-16 02:08 Net0: oh it's rainbows
2017-09-16 02:08 Net0: damn for a second I honestly thought it was serious
2017-09-16 02:08 Net0: you got me
2017-09-16 02:09 Net0: kinda interesting tho, even fullscreen for the entire song it can only goes as far as 7*
2017-09-16 02:14 Monstrata: lol yea
2017-09-16 02:14 Net0: rhythm op
2017-09-16 02:44 Net0: I'm kinda curious tho, why did you have my set in the first place?
2017-09-16 02:52 Monstrata: was just like "lol another natsukoi hanabi pp farm map"
2017-09-16 02:52 Monstrata: might as well make another :D
2017-09-16 02:52 Net0: hmm
2017-09-16 02:53 Net0: well it isn't :/
2017-09-16 02:54 Net0: but yeah funny meme

https://puu.sh/y27jV.mp3

So I suppose people memeing on the opposite side is just human nature. Everyone is on the wrong side in this entire situation.

So from now on, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MEME/JOKING/MAKING PHILOSOPHICAL DIGRESSIONS ABOUT LIFE/CALLING PEOPLE "BOLUDITOS", etc and just say whatever you want about the map. Say that you liked it, say that's it's hellish garbage, but keep it ABOUT the map.

Only Mun and Shizuku- missing update, thanks mod.

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,964 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
while Mirash follows his own mapping based on overmapped rhythms

Net0 wrote:
So yeah I don't think we're tryharding or forcing stuff in a degree that ISN'T already stablished as rankable.

please choose only one of these conflicting arguments

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 8 years ago

I don't like what Mirash did, but gross overmapping has repeatedly been established as rankable

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 8 years ago

You're welcome to disagree. Maps that try to push the boundaries / go against the norms of the meta typically take a lot more effort to rank, but you're well aware of that.

My issue with many difficulties in this mapset is that you've executed these gimmicky and "creative" elements with no relation to anything standard or "normal" so there is no juxtaposition that allows these creative elements to shine. On their own, the patterns could be pretty cool, but there is no substance to them currently. It's unfortunately, because many of the mappers in this set seem to know their way around the editor. But you guys are using too many different concepts and not tying them in. There are a lot of "oh this is cool" moments that turn into "wait why is it like this now?" two seconds after because you shift to a different pattern, or a different approach. This set to me, showcases mappers with good potential who are biting off more than they can chew by trying to introduce and set up too many creative components.

If you want to improve your map, ask yourself why you've deviated from the "expected/standard" way of mapping for a particular element or pattern. If your answer is something along the lines of "i want to make it different" then reconsider your reasoning. If your answer is "I want to highlight X" (X being a particular instrument, the pitch, the rhythm, the emphasis, etc...) then keep.

But then ask yourself "If i want to highlight X using method Y, do I really need to highlight X using method Z, A, B, C, D, E, F as well?" (Methods being "flow break, spacing changes, linear flow, overlaps, stacks etc....)" And hopefully your answer will be "No", or in rare cases"Yes, but only because method Y and Z relate very well to each other."

Hope you understand my position better now. I've come to understand your perspective better, so I'm not as afraid to put a veto. But I probably won't unless you find some random BN to yolo bubble this.

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 8 years ago

Honestly I have to say monstrata really has it down. That was a very well-articulated explanation of something I really can't disagree with.

Mirash

Nomination Assessment Team

707 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 8 years ago

i see nothing creative in my difficulty, and i was not trying to achieve something like this
the ideas i use here is all basic, and, for what i could tell, been in use from many years ago, like 2010-11
and yeah overmapping to highlight and keep tension in music is what i like to do

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 8 years ago

i'm sorry if my diff feels messy to you though, i'm open for criticism if you want to point something else out

igorsprite

623 posts

Joined September 2015

igorsprite 8 years ago

Essa discussão foi tão desnecessária quanto o mod do Monstrata :/

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,294 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
You're welcome to disagree. Maps that try to push the boundaries / go against the norms of the meta typically take a lot more effort to rank, but you're well aware of that.Yeah, even tho I don’t think there’s anything THAT spectacular NEW with any diff, sure I can’t rank this to celebrate anyones birthday.

My issue with many difficulties in this mapset is that you've executed these gimmicky and "creative" elements with no relation to anything standard or "normal" so there is no juxtaposition that allows these creative elements to shine. Because you’re going for a specific definition of “normal” mapping. You see, if I compare in a DJPop maps parts that are supposed to shine and parts that are not supposed do shine, I need to evaluate it differently if I were to mod one of your regular maps beucase the core used to structure the map is entirely different. Let me show you;
If a map is made on grid snap 1, fully DSed. The analisys of a part that is supposed to shine and parts that are not can’t be done with spacing concept. If visuals are also an element that’s null because of slider design limitation, the evaluation there should be on flow element, and that’s pretty straight forward if you compare how both of this plays;
https://puu.sh/y29Gk.jpg / https://puu.sh/y29Ia.jpg is pretty obvious on what is being more emphasized compared to the other one.
And that applies to any map that has an intensity component added to its composition;
In your maps for example, you have the same visual/flow in the entire map, so the only element that can be took into analysis as for the shine/non-shine thing is spacing;
Non-kiai
http://puu.sh/y29N7.jpg /
Kiai
https://puu.sh/y29RT.jpg
And that can be took into account in any map of any level of difficulty. HOWEVER you’re generically pointing that the diffs don’t have that contrast but you never mentioned that IN THE MOD itself.

On their own, the patterns could be pretty cool, but there is no substance to them currently. It's unfortunately, because many of the mappers in this set seem to know their way around the editor. But you guys are using too many different concepts and not tying them in. There are a lot of "oh this is cool" moments that turn into "wait why is it like this now?" two seconds after because you shift to a different pattern, or a different approach. This set to me, showcases mappers with good potential who are biting off more than they can chew by trying to introduce and set up too many creative components. This entire paragraph is just rethoric argumentation. “On their own, the patterns could be pretty cool, but there is no substance to them currently.” Saying there’s no substance means nothing. It’s just personal criticism, it’s just like a line a movie critic would say about a specific acting of a person in a movie for example.
“But you guys are using too many different concepts and not tying them in.” really? So you think that Mirash map suddenly becomes another map midway? If that was the case would be really simple to point that out; “Yo Mirash your map up until the second verse is one thing, when you start mapping the bridge of the song and chorus you’re totally using different stuff” Another element is that EACH diff is different. So each diff has its own concepts to be “tying them in.. Shizuku- with the reading/stack aspect, Mirash diff with flow, Bariton diff with its overlap visual, etc. And AGAIN, you didn’t mentioned in the mod where it was off, when any of the diffs just didn’t implement something accordingly.

If you want to improve your map, ask yourself why you've deviated from the "expected/standard" way of mapping for a particular element or pattern. If your answer is something along the lines of "i want to make it different" then reconsider your reasoning. If your answer is "I want to highlight X" (X being a particular instrument, the pitch, the rhythm, the emphasis, etc...) then keep. You’re assuming now that we don’t know what we’re doing because you QUICKLLY checked the diffs and couldn’t grasp it, so now it’s our fault? Even tho we did mapped accordingly to what you’re saying? Quick example
Mirash diff; 00:20:854 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) – why would you map this with straight lines and on the next section 00:23:322 (1,2,3,4,5) – make a square?! Oh that’s because the map uses a straight visual, and to make distinction of the two different measures 00:21:993 - ~ 00:22:942 - / 00:23:322 - ~ 00:24:272 -. Spacing and flow changed accordingly, also avoid the linear repetition with the song change, there’s a symmetrical patterning build here 00:24:272 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) – instead of the previous free-hand design, etc, etc.
If a modder doesn’t understand a certain idea in the map, he should ASK about it. Not assume the mapper doesn’t know what he’s doing.
But then ask yourself "If i want to highlight X using method Y, do I really need to highlight X using method Z, A, B, C, D, E, F as well?" (Methods being "flow break, spacing changes, linear flow, overlaps, stacks etc....)" And hopefully your answer will be "No", or in rare cases"Yes, but only because method Y and Z relate very well to each other."
Again you didn’t ask yourself that when you modded my diff for example; you modded this section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) – and all you could see was the visual element of it to justify its existence, but failed to notice the fact that every single object 00:18:575 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) – is upwards compared to 00:18:765 (2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2) – and also failed to question yourself WHY only 00:21:044 (2) – and 00:22:942 (1) – are the exception of that rule. That also applies to other concepts such as spacing, why is this group 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) – contrast between spacing on 1-2 vs 2-1 difference bigger compared to 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - , or flow , why does this part flows linear 00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) – instead of angular like the previous 1-2. So yeah, I map using everything you’re saying.
Hope you understand my position better now. I watched the vod of you modding this map, I heard “Please don’t tell me this is bubbled”, I can already understand your position pretty clearly. But what I really think that comes up with all of this is how unwilling you were to mod the map in the first place. If you really didn’t want to mod this I gave you other options, also, you could just say “Hey I don’t like any of the songs you have currently, do you mind if I own you a mod on something else in the future?” . Because honestly, anything is better compared to a mod made with bad faith.
I've come to understand your perspective better, so I'm not as afraid to put a veto. But I probably won't unless you find some random BN to yolo bubble this. “Random BN”so you find the memes towards you offensive, but saying that there are BNs who are random and BNs who are not random is not offensive when EVERY single BN is an important part of the BNG is not offensive…

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Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,642 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 8 years ago

Best of luck ranking this map ^^.

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Mun's Expert

00:06:992 (1,2,3) - Why the sudden change in structure here? I don't see much of a change in structure here at all, aside from that which the music merits as it transitions into the next section.
00:11:360 (3,4) - Why stack? :S that would be because i am bad
00:21:044 (5,6) - Why the huge 1/4 jump here xp see above
00:25:980 (1,4) - Can you not overlap? lmao u got it
00:35:854 (3,4,5) - This just looks bad cuz its a different visual structure compared to just an object before. Two competing grid structures end up causing structural inconsistenties Thanks for the input! I'd like more feedback on whether the change is acceptable if possible, though
00:47:626 (2,3,4) - Why are they so close together they touch like that xd. your cs is high enough xd unclosened
00:49:525 (3,1) - Looks off visually xP make more symmetrical or something. symmetricized

lol xd lol

You guys are trying too hard to be creative, but there is no baseline "standard mapping" to deviate from though. The issue with making everything creative is, if there is nothing to deviate from, it doesn't come across as unique or special, just different. Look at Shizuku's approach if you want a good idea of how to properly implement creative elements.

This was the most helpful mod that this mapset has received to date. Thank you!

xd

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VINXIS

Featured Artist

3,161 posts

Joined April 2014

VINXIS 8 years ago

meh monstrata isnt wrong in the mod

i think most of the mappers' efforts in this set r trying to be 2 creative which led them to obscure the image of their own map

Hobbes2

osu! Alumni

2,251 posts

Joined March 2016

Hobbes2 8 years ago

@mun

small point but have you considered moving all of 00:25:980 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - to the right a bit, lets you space out 00:27:120 (5) - which would help make it look not so different from the other 1/4 gaps (something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9352907)

01:01:107 (1,2,3) - I also think this is a bit overspaced in context with the rest of the map, its part of the transition so i dont think it needs this big emphasis

@mirash

00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - these doubles make no sense to me at all, i cant hear what they're supposed be following. if its an overmap...im not really understanding that either

Last edited by Hobbes2 8 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

Xexxar

913 posts

Joined June 2013

Xexxar 8 years ago

top diff:

00:25:411 - ... why did you ignore this beat? i cannot fathom a reason for why this is ignored. Can you explain this?

(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)

chainpullz

2,335 posts

Joined June 2013

chainpullz 8 years ago

I too was there for Monstrata's stream and while he may not have gone start to finish on every diff, there are like a dozens diffs on this set so it still ended up costing an hour of his time to go over what he did.

I'm usually a fan of edgy mapping (hanzer x irre eastbound & down is one of my favorites) but when the tone of the song itself is the exact opposite of edgy it has the same cringe feeling as a bunch of middle schoolers trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.

This is just a first impression (opinion) from seeing the maps on his stream so take it as you will (though I do hope you at least take a moment to ask yourself why it had to be this song that you mapped like this).

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 8 years ago

Imho I see you as quite an inexperienced mapper (dw I suck too) and whenever someone critisizes one of your maps, or just don't agree with certain aspects, you get really defensive and start bringing up loads of other maps in retaliation, and that doesn't really help much. I think if you were to truly take a step back with some humility, try out a few things other modders have brought up, you'd go a long way, not just improving your individual maps but also improving as a mapper as well

SnowNiNo_

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

2,108 posts

Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 8 years ago

why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:

juankristal

osu! Alumni

1,408 posts

Joined August 2010

juankristal 8 years ago

do i really have to read all of this stuff...

EDIT: Alright so, cleaned the thread a bit. Please no more memes here.

Don't make a drama out of something that didn't really look like it in the first place really. People can make arguments but at the end they are helping improving maps by modding. Both sides should just be more clear with their suggestions and answers alongisde memeing a lot less.

Joe Castle

802 posts

Joined September 2014

Joe Castle 8 years ago

its sad that half of you guys cant stand a meme about monstrata´s mod...

but at the same time the other half cant stand a silly opinion about how the map starts

/4D_chess_starts

0034192

6 posts

Joined September 2015

0034192 8 years ago

lmao what the fuck is going on here

pregnant_man

2,494 posts

Joined August 2012

pregnant_man 8 years ago

SnowNiNo_ wrote:
why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:

Because mapping basic stuff is boring and not original

Ayesha Altugle

3,091 posts

Joined October 2011

Ayesha Altugle 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Shizuku's Extra

00:10:791 (1,1) - Stacks Whoops, no one saw that one
00:25:411 - Don't understand why you dont map this. But i can understand every other part. it's just here theres also the insturment didn't feel the need to add a note since I mostly follow the percussion instruments

This is great. This is how you should map a gimmick honestly. There are overlapping/stacking/hard to read patterns but they are really well integrated. you have a baseline that is "normal" mapping so when you switch to sections that are different, they feel unique and special. Good job! Coming from you, it's a really nice thing to say. Considering for the past 2 years, you hated my mapping style since it didn't make sense at all. It's good to see that comment from you because that's when I know that I improved on mapping, even though it took so long to do so.

Thanks for modding!

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Mirash

Nomination Assessment Team

707 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 8 years ago

@Hobbes2 if you listen closely, sounds in music start at 00:21:423 (1) - and end on 00:21:803 (4) - while it could be a stream because of strong tomb, i find the way doublets represent that sounds more appropriate here, if i'm not a total retard. i might change it though, if someone actually will convince me with something more than WHYWHYWHYitIsOvermap
also got very tilted because of discussions i've seen, thanks

Linada

995 posts

Joined November 2014

Linada 8 years ago

Mirash wrote:
@Hobbes2 if you listen closely, sounds in music start at 00:21:423 (1) - and end on 00:21:803 (4) - while it could be a stream because of strong tomb, i find the way doublets represent that sounds more appropriate here, if i'm not a total retard. i might change it though, if someone actually will convince me with something more than WHYWHYWHYitIsOvermap
also got very tilted because of discussions i've seen, thanks

tbh i really can't understand doubles here too, even if i listen closely i don't get it. moving 3 at the white tick would make much more sense to me

also

01:16:297 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - i knew overmap with sliderend were allowed but this stream is completely out of place
01:24:461 (7,1) - also here ?? but you ignore the existing 1/4s to completely overmap inexisting sounds ?
01:25:411 (5) - nc pls

Net0 wrote:
while Mirash follows his own mapping based on overmapped rhythms

when did this become a thing ? thoses streams emphasize or express nothing in the song, i don't get it, why is this even a thing

also ppl here getting triggered easily, don't take this offensively, i'm out already do what you want

@Shizuku rly nice diff

Delis

1,442 posts

Joined May 2012

Delis 8 years ago

I've never been mapping just to make every circle sense btw maybe not a good thing to tell someone what to do by your words >u<

p.s. my post with the fixed .osu is deleted holy shit

Sotarks

3,524 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 8 years ago

Jounzan wrote:
SnowNiNo_ wrote:
why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:
Because mapping basic stuff is boring and not original

Agree with Nino here..
If you guys really want to be original just make original maps on original songs. But this is just my opinion tho.

I remember modded this and yeah shizuku reflected this song really well with his mapping. The rest is good but like trying too hard to be creative ends up random gimmicks and doesn't fit.

Anyway good luck with this

Akitoshi

2,687 posts

Joined August 2014

Akitoshi 8 years ago

Delis wrote:
>u<

pregnant_man

2,494 posts

Joined August 2012

pregnant_man 8 years ago

I mean this thread is lol. Would it work as a something worth discussion if i come to a random map thread and say something like "this map is too generic and it doesnt fits the song"? Can you quit this nonsence, and instead point everyhing you find unfittig by examples, because saying u pepel try two hard to be creative and song doesnt support it is straight retarded in case why on earth you think people will agree with your opinions when obviously liking other kind of stuff than you do lol im mad

juankristal

osu! Alumni

1,408 posts

Joined August 2010

juankristal 8 years ago

Delis wrote:
I've never been mapping just to make every circle sense btw maybe not a good thing to tell someone what to do by your words >u<

p.s. my post with the fixed .osu is deleted holy shit

That was my bad! Restored.

AshbeII

88 posts

Joined October 2015

AshbeII 8 years ago

--nostalgic diff

00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - xd

this basically has 0 sense and doesn't hint at anything coming into the map, the song doesn't even change here so I assume you had a missclick and moved the circles a little bit too far so maybe fix?

you emphasize 00:32:056 (1) with distance - but not 00:31:297 (1) - or 00:32:816 (1) - or 00:33:765 (1) -

00:42:879 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:45:917 (1) - ^

00:36:803 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this feels honestly so weird to play and hear , why not map only voice or instrumentals ? ;f this is just an opinion tho

not sure what happend to the map past 1 minute

xd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-naduAbrBnc

Net0 wrote:
but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.

...right no wonder mapping meta sucks nice mentality you got there

this is on the maps front page btw

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,294 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

VINXIS wrote:
meh monstrata isnt wrong in the mod

i think most of the mappers' efforts in this set r trying to be 2 creative which led them to obscure the image of their own map

chainpullz wrote:
I too was there for Monstrata's stream and while he may not have gone start to finish on every diff, there are like a dozens diffs on this set so it still ended up costing an hour of his time to go over what he did.

I'm usually a fan of edgy mapping (hanzer x irre eastbound & down is one of my favorites) but when the tone of the song itself is the exact opposite of edgy it has the same cringe feeling as a bunch of middle schoolers trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.

This is just a first impression (opinion) from seeing the maps on his stream so take it as you will (though I do hope you at least take a moment to ask yourself why it had to be this song that you mapped like this).

Kisses wrote:
Imho I see you as quite an inexperienced mapper (dw I suck too) and whenever someone critisizes one of your maps, or just don't agree with certain aspects, you get really defensive and start bringing up loads of other maps in retaliation, and that doesn't really help much. I think if you were to truly take a step back with some humility, try out a few things other modders have brought up, you'd go a long way, not just improving your individual maps but also improving as a mapper as well

You guys do know that any personal comments about me as a mapper are totally irrelevant right? You can think whatever you want, as long as you're not discussing the map itself, I don't care. So in case you case you want to comment anything about any diff, that's what you should do. Like Linada doesn't agree with a specific concept used in one of the diffs, that's how you make you point. Not generically saying "yo you're not hanzer!", "you're inexperienced", "you can't map this song in x-y way of mapping, this song can only be done with z mapping, etc" this are not valid points because you're just pointing out your own personal perspectives about mapping itself or me as a mapper rather than discussing the mapset, which is the goal of this thread.

Sotarks wrote:
If you guys really want to be original just make original maps on original songs. But this is just my opinion tho.

1- The reason all of you prefer Shizuku-'s diff I already explained before in the reply of Monstrata (which seems that he would rather just ignore) But I'll explain again even tho I might sound too pretentious.

ANY song can be mapped in multiple different ways, and that's something most ppl should realize long ago. Do you want examples? Okay I'll drop a few maps of the same song that ARE mapped in completelly and entirelly different ways;
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/376552 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/440068
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/55925 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/55115
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/479470 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/12327
And recently my favorite example of that contrast
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/16440 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/618290

All of this maps with you take into account what elements were made differently, which concepts were adopted and which weren't will show that it's up to the mapper how they want to design their maps, and the variety of the insane diffs here only show how that is true, even for a song like Natsukoi Hanabi that tradicionally is considered pp.

Jounzan wrote:
I mean this thread is lol. Would it work as a something worth discussion if i come to a random map thread and say something like "this map is too generic and it doesnt fits the song"? Can you quit this nonsence, and instead point everyhing you find unfittig by examples, because saying u pepel try two hard to be creative and song doesnt support it is straight retarded in case why on earth you think people will agree with your opinions when obviously liking other kind of stuff than you do lol im mad

This summons up my point.

[/b]

Xexxar wrote:
top diff:

00:25:411 - ... why did you ignore this beat? i cannot fathom a reason for why this is ignored. Can you explain this?

Net0 wrote:
00:25:411 - Why isn't this mapped tho lol... It's a piano sound with no percussion; Also there's a rhythm construction here; 00:24:651 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - first you have the gap idea that should come up with all groups 00:24:651 (1,2) - /00:25:220 (3,4) - /00:25:980 (1,2) - /00:26:740 (1,2) - second, you have an increasing singletap objects groupíng from 2 00:25:031 (2,3) - to 3 00:25:601 (4,5,1,2,3,1) - to 400:27:120 (2,3,4,1) - which helps building up a bit more of tension in this section
(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)One object mentioned = yeah not ready for rank. Good old Xexxar :3

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,294 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

rakuenslove wrote:
--nostalgic diff

you emphasize 00:32:056 (1) with distance - but not 00:31:297 (1) - or 00:32:816 (1) - or 00:33:765 (1) -

00:42:879 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:45:917 (1) - ^

You're comparing 3 distinct sounds there; the object emphasized with distance there is this one 00:32:056 (1) - as you said it has bigger spacing so the similar one is also spaced emphasized right here 00:30:727 (1) - , even tho leniency makes this a bit less spacing intense 00:30:348 (3) - they're still similar, you can't compare those to 00:31:297 (1) - /00:32:816 (1) - they're similar but if you check the pattern you can notice I treated them differently. Also 00:33:196 (1,1) - saying this 1/4 gap is not emphasized is just lol

00:36:803 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this feels honestly so weird to play and hear , why not map only voice or instrumentals ? ;f this is just an opinion tho

Sliders for dense vocal lines and circles to keep the rhythm along percussion? fuan ni naru kedo all are mapped with sliders and since the "do" line is bigger and mapped a reverse slider to change the flow since I'd use sliders for percussion afterwards 00:38:892 (1,2,1,1) - that's also the reason I changed combo colors there.

00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - xd

this basically has 0 sense and doesn't hint at anything coming into the map, the song doesn't even change here so I assume you had a missclick and moved the circles a little bit too far so maybe fix?
not sure what happend to the map past 1 minute
xd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-naduAbrBnc
Wow posting pishifat video as argument, let's see if you watched the video and really mod the map accordingly;
spacing with jumps: spacing shouldn't be random, and must be according to the songs intensity;
More intense section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - with 00:18:765 (2,1) - having bigger spacing compared to 00:18:955 (1,2) - compared to 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - with less contrast between the intensity of 1-2 connections to 2-1, so the spacing is accordingly, repeated element 00:20:094 (1,2,1,2) - when the song repeats itself
visuals with jumps; 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - highlight and observe, try to understand before getting all sarcastic
flow with jumps; "By continuosly using one type of flow throught one section of the song jumps can represent that section's repeated elements, and when the song change, flow change as well;
00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - snap/angular flow with increasing and decreasing spacing according to the hitsounding/music interpretation
00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - Linear motion with wide angles and a bit of a decreased spacing
There's also an element he didn't mention in the video;
positioning with jumps; objects with bigger contrast between 1-2 and 2-1 spacing are on the edges of the playfield while the ones with smaller are more on the middle 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - , objects with snare are upwards compared to the ones that are not, etc...

Net0 wrote:
but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.
...right no wonder mapping meta sucks nice mentality you got there

this is on the maps front page btw

Nice sarcasm, but don't quote me without the full context of it;

Net0 wrote:
Monstrata wrote:
Uhh I really can't agree with how you map this lmao... I feel that way about a lot of maps out there, but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.

I didn't change anything but thanks for the mod.

Necroluttah

223 posts

Joined July 2013

Necroluttah 8 years ago

ouçam os bn gente, nenhum deles tão dizendo isso pra atacar
é pra ajudar

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Necroluttah wrote:
ouçam os bn gente, nenhum deles tão dizendo isso pra atacar
é pra ajudar

Ué, eu to dando reply normalmente nos mods que chegaram na thread x.x

Yuii-

2,501 posts

Joined July 2013

Yuii- 8 years ago

Meu amor por Necro é demais <3
Mas vc tem que dizer a outras pessoas para nao spammar o thread, Net0...

Muito amor de mim, meninos

AshbeII

88 posts

Joined October 2015

AshbeII 8 years ago

why did i waste my time you dont even understand. shame. other diffs are super nice tho

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

rakuenslove wrote:
why did i waste my time you dont even understand. shame. other diffs are super nice tho

You post a mod full of sarcasm
I reply everything posted trying my best to make everything clear with how I've done stuff
You proceed to say I didn't understand the mod and say you wasted your time without mentioning anything regarding the reply...
...
..
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AshbeII

88 posts

Joined October 2015

AshbeII 8 years ago

there are 3 general portions in the song (Beggining of it) that gradually increase which I hope we can agree on,

first starting at 00:18:575 (1) -
second at 00:19:335 (1) -
third at 00:21:613 (1) -

the way you map is you choose to pick a spacing in the middle of the first jump sequence 00:18:765 (2,1) - that is basically equal/bigger to the 3rd sequence
essentially overshadowing the 2nd sequence 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -

the player should have a feeling of increasing difficulty along with the song and not a feeling of relief after passing 00:18:765 (2,1) - knowing that the 2nd sequence is bassically half spacing.

but the main point that I specified in my mod is that you choose to build up the 3rd sequence(which becomes the general type of linear jump in your map) using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore, which would be okay if this part of the song was unique , but its not.

maybe visually it looks cute but that's not all there is.

it simply doesn't reflect the song properly and it doesn't feel consistent and I hope you make some sort of change, I don't want another explanation of your map. you already explained these parts over and over... try to be a bit objective.

i could understand weird spacings in this part of the map if they somehow reflected,hinted the end of the map. but they are completely different except that stream, props on it altho you should change its angle a bit

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

rakuenslove wrote:
there are 3 general portions in the song (Beggining of it) that gradually increase which I hope we can agree on,

first starting at 00:18:575 (1) -
second at 00:19:335 (1) -
third at 00:21:613 (1) -

the way you map is you choose to pick a spacing in the middle of the first jump sequence 00:18:765 (2,1) - that is basically equal/bigger to the 3rd sequence
essentially overshadowing the 2nd sequence 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -

the player should have a feeling of increasing difficulty along with the song and not a feeling of relief after passing 00:18:765 (2,1) - knowing that the 2nd sequence is bassically half spacing.

but the main point that I specified in my mod is that you choose to build up the 3rd sequence(which becomes the general type of linear jump in your map) using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore, which would be okay if this part of the song was unique , but its not.

maybe visually it looks cute but that's not all there is.

it simply doesn't reflect the song properly and it doesn't feel consistent and I hope you make some sort of change, I don't want another explanation of your map. you already explained these parts over and over... try to be a bit objective.

i could understand weird spacings in this part of the map if they somehow reflected,hinted the end of the map. but they are completely different except that stream, props on it altho you should change its angle a bit

Now you're modding.
I made changes on; 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - the spacing was reduced to that it won't overshadow 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - as the version before was, but I really want to keep the contrast between 1-2 for 2-1 bigger compared to the afterwards section. Also repositioned 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - to improve readability since I stacked the previous pattern with it.
"using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore" They're the core of the mapping itself, they appear in the kiai a lot, but indeed comparing the initial jump section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - to the last one 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - there's a distinct amount of linear flow, being drastically reduced, so I'll make the last part have more linear sections; currently there's this 90º part 01:27:689 (1,2,3,4) - which kinda falls on the ambiguous side of wheter ppl snap or make smooth motion and this 120º 01:29:398 (1,2,3) - , but I'm also now making the star here 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - flow with linear motion, adding a bit more of consistency between the two sections.
Since I changed the star flow, I also had to re-work the stream 01:31:107 (1,2,3,4,1) - to fit the flow better.

Thanks again for mod ^^

Nikakis

770 posts

Joined May 2014

Nikakis 8 years ago

Hi Net0~

Nostalgic Festival:

00:06:423 (1,2,3) - : I was curious about this unexpected wide spacing comparing these 00:00:348 (1,2,3) - , 00:03:385 (1,2,3) - .The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind, so yeah, could you explain this spacing for this specific part?In my opinion, you should keep the same spacing concept for these piano sounds like in the beginning.The background rhythm change is too quiet to modify piano sounds' spacing.
00:09:461 (1) - : Ctrl + G'ing this slider itself gives a better motion in my opinion.
00:21:234 (1,2,1,2) - : Well, using the ''right to left'' motion twice in a row is too harsh.It ruins the whole natural movement of going to ''zig zag'' mode.Why don't try Ctrl + H'ing this whole part 00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - ?It will a make a nice circular flow instead.
00:36:234 (8) - : This distance from the slider is quiet big and uncomfortable for this kind of a lower tone vocal.For example, you could stack it on the slidertail of 00:35:284 (5) - .
00:48:386 (8) - : Same thing.
00:50:284 (5,6) - : This doesn't sound very nice.It may follow somehow the vocal's held duration but it's still weird.You could do two things;You can simply Ctrl + G them ,which im more fan of this option, or, you can delete the slider and add a circle here 00:50:664 - .Both of these ways are better in my opinion than your choice of mapping a circle + slider.
01:00:727 (1) - : Why so low slider velocity?0,50 SV totally underemphasizes the vocals' tone change.The vocals are completely different and lively here.I would definitely recommend you to change the slider velocity to 1,0.
01:12:310 (1) - : Really harsh SV change, the player will definetely sliderbreak this.
01:09:651 (4,5) comparing 01:21:803 (6,7) - : Could you explain me this huge spacing difference behind the second part?I really wonder
01:27:689 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2) - : Very, very very hard to aim.Could you nerf them a bit?

~Good luck!

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Nikakis wrote:
Hi Net0~

Nostalgic Festival:

00:06:423 (1,2,3) - : I was curious about this unexpected wide spacing comparing these 00:00:348 (1,2,3) - , 00:03:385 (1,2,3) - .The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind, so yeah, could you explain this spacing for this specific part?In my opinion, you should keep the same spacing concept for these piano sounds like in the beginning.The background rhythm change is too quiet to modify piano sounds' spacing."The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind" you already figured the reason, the rhythm itself didn't change, but song intensity did increase.
00:09:461 (1) - : Ctrl + G'ing this slider itself gives a better motion in my opinion. It does, but I'm not going for a confotable motion; the fact is that the slider there is unconfortable for the song change on 00:09:461 (1) - since that's when percussion starts. Basically it's most of the time uncortable moviment or high spacing for transitions; 00:18:196 (5,1) - /00:24:082 (6,1) - /00:38:132 (6,7,1) - etc
00:21:234 (1,2,1,2) - : Well, using the ''right to left'' motion twice in a row is too harsh.It ruins the whole natural movement of going to ''zig zag'' mode.Why don't try Ctrl + H'ing this whole part 00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - ?It will a make a nice circular flow instead. I did some re-work on this section,
I was also kinda tilted a bit with it as it was after so many mod applications, so changed some stuff again to make it work more similar to how it was originally.
00:36:234 (8) - : This distance from the slider is quiet big and uncomfortable for this kind of a lower tone vocal.For example, you could stack it on the slidertail of 00:35:284 (5) - .All right, I'll go with that ^^
00:48:386 (8) - : Same thing.
00:50:284 (5,6) - : This doesn't sound very nice.It may follow somehow the vocal's held duration but it's still weird.You could do two things;You can simply Ctrl + G them ,which im more fan of this option, or, you can delete the slider and add a circle here 00:50:664 - .Both of these ways are better in my opinion than your choice of mapping a circle + slider. Kinda hard to ctrol+g and keep the flow idea in the pattern, but hopefully fixed.
01:00:727 (1) - : Why so low slider velocity?0,50 SV totally underemphasizes the vocals' tone change.The vocals are completely different and lively here.I would definitely recommend you to change the slider velocity to 1,0.Did something to make it more overwhelming
01:12:310 (1) - : Really harsh SV change, the player will definetely sliderbreak this.well this is like something really special, and mostly SVs there are to follow and emphasize the vocal line which I perceived as the most important one in the entire song. It's a section players will have to read.
01:09:651 (4,5) comparing 01:21:803 (6,7) - : Could you explain me this huge spacing difference behind the second part?I really wonder They're different sections tho, but I can see where you're coming from, I increased the spacing here 01:09:651 (4,5) - since it was kinda small considering the chorus overall spacing
01:27:689 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2) - : Very, very very hard to aim.Could you nerf them a bit?Nothing really extraordinary, just jumps imo.

~Good luck!
Thanks mod, and no, I repeat, this map is not a meme. :3

fabriciorby

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Joined December 2009

fabriciorby 8 years ago

little irc mod

SPOILER

00:15 fabriciorby: achei q tem uns slider q dibra demaius
00:15 Net0: foi sim
00:15 Net0: opa
00:15 Net0: só falar
00:15 fabriciorby: perai
00:16 Net0: eita perai
00:16 fabriciorby: esse aqui dibra mas dps q passa ele ja da pra saber q o segundo é assim
00:16 fabriciorby: 00:33:196 (1) -
00:17 Net0: okay
00:17 fabriciorby: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:17 fabriciorby: esse aqui
00:17 fabriciorby: q eu achei q dibro mt
00:17 Net0: btfé
00:17 Net0: vou fazer assim
00:17 Net0: vou mudar esse aqui de lugar
00:18 Net0: 01:11:550 (1) -
00:18 Net0: mesmo que aumente o spacing
00:18 Net0: pra esse aqui ficar mais visivel
00:18 Net0: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:18 Net0: oq acha?
00:18 fabriciorby: 01:24:082 (1) -
00:18 fabriciorby: esse aqui é a msm coisa mas n dibra
00:18 fabriciorby: pq da pra ver o corpo entrando
00:19 fabriciorby: mas eu entendi q a ideia era deixar eles do msm tamanho msm
00:19 fabriciorby: e no outro n ta do mesmo tamanho
00:21 fabriciorby: mas eu n sei modar essa diff
00:22 Net0: Deixa eu te mostrar
00:22 Net0: https://puu.sh/y3YLX.png
00:22 Net0: ficou com aim mais difícil
00:22 Net0: so que melhorou a leitura

commit purpose only

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

fabriciorby wrote:
little irc mod
SPOILER
00:15 fabriciorby: achei q tem uns slider q dibra demaius
00:15 Net0: foi sim
00:15 Net0: opa
00:15 Net0: só falar
00:15 fabriciorby: perai
00:16 Net0: eita perai
00:16 fabriciorby: esse aqui dibra mas dps q passa ele ja da pra saber q o segundo é assim
00:16 fabriciorby: 00:33:196 (1) -
00:17 Net0: okay
00:17 fabriciorby: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:17 fabriciorby: esse aqui
00:17 fabriciorby: q eu achei q dibro mt
00:17 Net0: btfé
00:17 Net0: vou fazer assim
00:17 Net0: vou mudar esse aqui de lugar
00:18 Net0: 01:11:550 (1) -
00:18 Net0: mesmo que aumente o spacing
00:18 Net0: pra esse aqui ficar mais visivel
00:18 Net0: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:18 Net0: oq acha?
00:18 fabriciorby: 01:24:082 (1) -
00:18 fabriciorby: esse aqui é a msm coisa mas n dibra
00:18 fabriciorby: pq da pra ver o corpo entrando
00:19 fabriciorby: mas eu entendi q a ideia era deixar eles do msm tamanho msm
00:19 fabriciorby: e no outro n ta do mesmo tamanho
00:21 fabriciorby: mas eu n sei modar essa diff
00:22 Net0: Deixa eu te mostrar
00:22 Net0: https://puu.sh/y3YLX.png
00:22 Net0: ficou com aim mais difícil
00:22 Net0: so que melhorou a leitura
commit purpose only

We discussed this pattern; 00:32:816 (1,1,1) - was hard to read but predictable, but here 01:11:550 (1,1,1) - tho, difficulty wasn't balanced spacing/readability wise. It was decided that it was better to improve readability even if the spacing on the 1/4 gap was increased, since this also has a big spacing 01:23:702 (1,1,1) - for the 1/4 gap.
After apply the suggestion re-worked 01:23:702 (1,1) - and 01:00:727 (1,1) - for consistency both spacing wise and visual wise.
Thanks a lot for testing the map :3

Xexxar

913 posts

Joined June 2013

Xexxar 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)One object mentioned = yeah not ready for rank. Good old Xexxar :3

Just giving an opinion not trying to start an in depth discussion. Maps like these aren't worth the effort.

Weedy

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Joined January 2014

Weedy 8 years ago

now it's a race of "which bn will turn a blind eye to top diff and bubble this" ResidentSleeper

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Xexxar wrote:
Maps like these aren't worth the effort.

Yeah, we should spend more time mapping songs of games related to pedophilia, I'm totally in the wrong side here.

Jokes aside, I'll just repeat it once more, if you don't want to make MODS about anything related to any of the diffs, just meme and complain about the map in discord/twitter/reddit wherever you can find yourself a nice place to complain about things on the internet to make yourself feel better. HERE is not the place.

Also, saying "maps aren't worth the effort" only shows what a shitty mentality you have if you ever considered yourself a modder in the first place.

[[Pika]] wrote:
now it's a race of "which bn will turn a blind eye to top diff and bubble this" ResidentSleeper

If you have any concerns about top diff feel free to drop a mod ^^
If you just don't like there isn't anything I can do about that, you have plenty of other maps out there that I'm sure fits your taste.

Ataraxia

673 posts

Joined February 2014

Ataraxia 8 years ago

130 post e so tem uma estrela
edit: agora tem 131 :joy_cat:
edit: agora tem 2

Shadow guerreiro

OzenIce

19 posts

Joined May 2013

OzenIce 7 years ago

um modzin simples pro map

*** Easy ***

00:33:196 - nota faltando?
00:45:348 - aki tambem... se bem que os 2 juntos do mesmo jeito fica bom (se for add nota a 1, add também a outro)

Muito bom.

*** Normal = muito bom
*** Advanced = muito bom
*** Hard = MUITO bom !

-={ Insanes }=-

*** Bariton Insane

muito Ousado com os slide muito bom ! flue bem

*** Delis Insane

very good work

*** Trynna Insane

essa parte me chamou atenção : 00:55:031 (1,2,3) - boa mistura de drums com voz, ficou supimpa

as outras parte tb estão boas

-={ Extras }=-

*** Mirash

00:00:917 (1) - why too far from the other before? ... but... it may be a good effect (good to keep)
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - more notes than music .. but as an extra diff it may be accept. a nice make-up rhtythm (good to keep)

*** Shizuku-

very good work : )

*** Mun

good work too

*** Nostalgic Festival

muita ousadia com os slides tipo 00:36:803 (1,3,6,1,1) - e tipo 00:44:968 (1,1) - e 01:11:550 (1,1,1) -

parece que tão reclamando deles mas tão muito... seila... DIVINO !

e tá no extra, deviam deixar rankea...
fosse no normal ou hard td bem reclamar, mas no extra...

é DIVINO

e o q eh divino os humanos ñ entende...

boa sorte cara

e q musica boa tb

Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

OzenIce wrote:
um modzin simples pro map

*** Easy ***

00:33:196 - nota faltando?
00:45:348 - aki tambem... se bem que os 2 juntos do mesmo jeito fica bom (se for add nota a 1, add também a outro)

Muito bom.

*** Normal = muito bom
*** Advanced = muito bom
*** Hard = MUITO bom !

-={ Insanes }=-

*** Bariton Insane

muito Ousado com os slide muito bom ! flue bem

*** Delis Insane

very good work

*** Trynna Insane

essa parte me chamou atenção : 00:55:031 (1,2,3) - boa mistura de drums com voz, ficou supimpa

as outras parte tb estão boas

-={ Extras }=-

*** Mirash

00:00:917 (1) - why too far from the other before? ... but... it may be a good effect (good to keep)
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - more notes than music .. but as an extra diff it may be accept. a nice make-up rhtythm (good to keep)

*** Shizuku-

very good work : )

*** Mun

good work too

*** Nostalgic Festival

muita ousadia com os slides tipo 00:36:803 (1,3,6,1,1) - e tipo 00:44:968 (1,1) - e 01:11:550 (1,1,1) -

parece que tão reclamando deles mas tão muito... seila... DIVINO !

e tá no extra, deviam deixar rankea...
fosse no normal ou hard td bem reclamar, mas no extra...

é DIVINO

e o q eh divino os humanos ñ entende...

boa sorte cara

e q musica boa tb

Eu pedi pro Ataraxia autorizar colocar os circles aqui
00:33:196 - e 00:45:348 - na Easy, valeu pelo mod e por apoiar o mapa ^^

Tarrasky

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Joined March 2014

Tarrasky 7 years ago

this map is good?

defiance

503 posts

Joined July 2015

defiance 7 years ago

Tarrasky wrote:
this map is good?

no

Alarido

1,744 posts

Joined September 2012

Alarido 7 years ago

Uma vez o InC0nceNtrateD fez uma guest Insane pro meu mapa do Coldplay e que só não foi adiante por causa do BD (um BAT da época) e Luanny e assim ficou sem insane. Mas não há problema nisso. Um dia ainda o submito para ficar como Loved (uma 'pedalada' que na época ainda não tinha).
l

_handholding

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Joined April 2014

_handholding 7 years ago

I can shot some stars if you want to go for loved

Neto

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Topic Starter

Neto 7 years ago

osuskrub wrote:
Tarrasky wrote:
this map is good?
no

I think is good

Alarido wrote:
Uma vez o InC0nceNtrateD fez uma guest Insane pro meu mapa do Coldplay e que só não foi adiante por causa do BD (um BAT da época) e Luanny e assim ficou sem insane. Mas não há problema nisso. Um dia ainda o submito para ficar como Loved (uma 'pedalada' que na época ainda não tinha).
l

Não sabia disso Alarido. Realmente é complicado quando uma GD não consegue ir pra ranked e tem que sair do set, mas é algo que acontece :/

Kisses wrote:
I can shot some stars if you want to go for loved

The current loved system has no relation to star priority, you should get yourself updated on news like this and no thanks, the map is going for rank. Also, I think I already made myself clear that I don't you getting involved with me, I'm tired of your pointless offensive comments.

-Master-

152 posts

Joined October 2015

-Master- 7 years ago

^

+rep

igorsprite

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Joined September 2015

igorsprite 7 years ago

masoq

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 7 years ago

#500

gl on trying this thing once again

Bariton

306 posts

Joined October 2012

Bariton 7 years ago

rip my diff

socrenao

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Ayesha Altugle

3,091 posts

Joined October 2011

Ayesha Altugle 7 years ago

Log that turned from a testplay into a mod

13:28 Net0: Can you test my diff on hanabi? I did some remapping at some parts of it
13:30 Shizuku-: lemme redl the map
13:30 Net0: okok
13:31 Shizuku-: okie
13:31 *Shizuku- is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1383154 chano & 40mP - Natsukoi Hanabi [Extra]]
13:33 Shizuku-: the intro is pretty clean btw
13:33 Net0: what do you mean by clean?
13:33 Net0: like visuals?
13:33 Shizuku-: yes
13:34 Net0: I see
13:34 Shizuku-: it's quite a good map
13:35 Net0: well before chorus the entire map is like focused on symmetry and playfield gimmick
13:35 Net0: So all straight sliders and coincidente placements to make it easier
13:38 Net0: As the song progress the placement of objects starts to get "higher" on the playfield; 00:33:765 (1) - /00:51:993 (1) - /01:07:183 (1) -  until each of this points all objects are under them on the playfield
13:41 Shizuku-: i see
13:41 Shizuku-: no notes should be higher than the mentioned objects right?
13:42 Net0: only this part I couldn't cover with the concept
13:42 Net0: 00:18:575 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1) -
13:43 Net0: Couse like I'd have to make it stand out less
13:43 Net0: but song is kinda intese there
13:43 Shizuku-: i think it's fine for it to break the gimmick
13:44 Shizuku-: after all you want those objects in that section to stand out above the rest right?
13:44 Net0: Yeah
13:44 Net0: for example 00:27:689 -  ~ 00:51:993 -
13:44 Net0: that's the most emphatic sound 00:45:917 (1) -
13:45 Net0: and it's placed in the highest spot
13:45 Net0: when the song changes and gets more intense the placement is increased 00:51:993 (1) -
13:45 Shizuku-: yeah
13:46 Net0: until it gets all the way to the top on chorus 01:07:183 (1) -
13:47 Net0: and from that point on the map breakes the previous stablished symmetry and straight visuals
13:47 Net0: but yeah it's not something that straightfoward so I think most ppl didn't like it because it's not so obvious
13:48 Shizuku-: I have a question: 01:21:423 (4) - why is this object higher than 01:07:183 (1) - ?
13:48 Net0: but star rating on the previus diff also didn't help on the impression, so I nerfed a lot
13:48 Shizuku-: it's a minor issue tho
13:49 Net0: Probably because of the square shape
13:50 Net0: I'll use the minor square
13:50 Net0: to avoid that
13:50 Shizuku-: 01:28:639 (2,2,2) - i think you should ctrl+g this one because the 2s are like getting closer instead of getting farther although the distance spacing says otherwise
13:51 Shizuku-: and the intensity is still getting higher on that
13:52 Net0: sure
13:52 Shizuku-: wow this one turned from a testplay into a minor irc mod
13:53 Net0: were you curious about the map after testing it?
13:53 Shizuku-: i think something's came to me
13:54 Shizuku-: i'm not really a modder tho
13:54 Net0: no worries ^^
13:54 Net0: nice points imo
13:54 Shizuku-: btw i have nothing to say but this map is clean overall
13:54 Shizuku-: it's a considerable step up to nostalgic festival
13:55 Net0: Well that's nice to hear :)
13:55 Shizuku-: the gimmick is more refined and the objects are well thought out
13:55 Shizuku-: btw
13:56 Shizuku-: should i post the log?
13:56 Net0: Sure

realy0_

1,739 posts

Joined August 2016

realy0_ 7 years ago

Hello, Christmas mod xd

where is the fireworks to celebrate the new year ?

Ataraxia's Easy

00:00:348 (1) - rotate it by 1° so it's correctly aligned in the x-axis xd
00:01:677 (3,4) - these ones by 2°
00:06:423 (1,2,3) - idk if it's better to align them
00:12:499 (1,2) - blanket better ?
00:14:018 (3) - rotate this by -1°
00:26:740 (2) - ctrl+g+h so the visual spacing between 1 and 2 is the same
00:47:436 (3,4) - blanket better ? also the flow would be better between 2 and 3 if you fix this
01:13:259 (1) - snap the red anchor to the white dot ?
(yeah, that's really nazi mod from my part but this is my favorite difficulty)

Collab Normal

00:09:841 (2) - i would place at x99 y304 for a better flow
that's it lol

Advanced

00:02:056 (3,4,5) - rotate this pattern by 25° and ctrl+g 4,5 because you represented like that : 2,1,3 but this change better represent the downpitch of the note with a 3,2,1 pattern. (interpret the numbers as note if you don't understand)
00:13:829 (4,6) - blanket better ?
00:19:335 (3,4) - i think that a slider with a reverse + circle fit better than 2 sliders
01:26:551 (4) - replace it with 2 circles ?
01:28:449 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - give some love to the right side by ctrl+h this pattern for a symmetrical pattern.

Mk's Hard

00:03:006 (3) - i would delete this circle because it doesn't support any sound and this pattern is more dense than the rest of the part 00:02:436 (2,3,4,1,2,3) -
that's it

Bariton's Insane
btw this diff should be called light insane or hyper

00:24:651 (1) - rotate it by 15° with selection centre ? also move the lign between the 2nd and the 3th anchor should pass into the white dot for a better curve.
00:38:132 (1) - accentuate the second red achor ?

Delis' Insane

00:57:120 (1) - NC because it people could misread it with the stacks
00:57:499 (4) - remove NC
01:07:942 (1,4) - take care about the overlap ?
01:08:322 (3,5) - ^
01:28:449 (5,6,7) - the rhythm pattern here should be ctrl+g, the sliders end on a strong sound

Trynna's Insane

00:19:904 (1) - snap the red anchor to the blue tick ?
00:29:208 (1) - i don't like this stack idk, i would place it at x410 y139 just because it's the note pitch down
00:37:753 (4,5,1) - the slider's body seems to not be aligned with the precedent combo
00:41:360 (1) - do the same thing as 00:29:208 (1) -
00:41:360 (1,1) - take care of the blanket ?
01:10:031 (6) - add a circle to keep the rhythm consistant like this one 01:15:917 (5,6,1) -
01:22:183 (5) - ^

Mirash's Extra

i think you should relook at the hitsounds because they are overused and often used in a wrong way, for example the whistle is just too much like this part 00:18:575 (1,2,3,4,1,2), a another one is 00:21:423 (1,2,3,4)
consider also reducing the volume, i really throught that my music volume was too low

00:06:993 (3) - the whistle seems not intended
00:14:968 (2,3,4) - they seemed not really aligned
00:15:348 (4) - it should have the same hitsound as 00:14:968 (2,3) -
00:21:613 (3) - why do you ignore this strong sound here ?
00:27:689 (1,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - they are not centred in the y-axis, move them to x255
00:30:158 (1,1,1,1) - they are weirdly stacked
00:36:423 (3,4,5) - rotate them by -4° and move them to x255
00:37:753 (1,3) - make them having the same y corrdinates
00:39:841 (1,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - same problem as above generally
00:51:993 (1) to 01:01:107 (1) idk what's are your ideas here, you started with some geometric patterns then you continue your normal pattern without any justification in the music
01:16:297 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - i know that you want to emphasize the vocals but this is overmapping.
01:24:651 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - ^

imo this difficulty need a total remap, i think it should be deleted if Net0 want to rank it faster. sorry for being harsh here.

Shizuku's Extra

nice use of the editor

this is top quality here, enough to be in the beatmap spotlights
00:46:866 (1,2,3) - inconsistant spacing
01:34:904 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - they seemed not really aligned
01:36:613 (4,2,) - weird stack

Mun's Expert

cool diff

01:01:677 (3,4,5,6) - huh ? this seems really harsh to play
01:07:183 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - you could use more spacing to reflect better the music in this difficulty
imo buff all the jumps before this part : 01:16:297 (1) because it makes the second part of the kiai a "overspaced jumps" feeling part.
01:32:056 (1,2,1,2) - these would be ok if the sv was higher
01:33:575 (1,2,1,2) - ^

Extra

00:14:588 (2) - it should be a copy pasted and ctrl+h version of 00:13:449 (4) -
00:47:436 (5) - copy paste 00:47:056 (4) -
00:50:284 (5,6) - not aligned
00:57:500 (1) - idk, i would place it at x283 y212
01:21:802 (6) - the placement of this circle is really weird
01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - love this

love the song

Ayesha Altugle

3,091 posts

Joined October 2011

Ayesha Altugle 7 years ago

realy0_ wrote:
Shizuku's Extra

nice use of the editor this is top quality here, enough to be in the beatmap spotlights
00:46:866 (1,2,3) - inconsistant spacing there's actually nothing i could do about that. also the spacing should not be that obvious while playing
01:34:904 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - they seemed not really aligned fine, i aligned it for you
01:36:613 (4,2,) - weird stack placed it somewhere that doesn't cause that much impact

Thanks for modding!

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Bariton

306 posts

Joined October 2012

Bariton 7 years ago

realy0_ wrote:
Hello, Christmas mod xd

Bariton's Insane
btw this diff should be called light insane or hyper nuuuu :<

00:24:651 (1) - rotate it by 15° with selection centre ? also move the lign between the 2nd and the 3th anchor should pass into the white dot for a better curve. okei
00:38:132 (1) - accentuate the second red achor ? i'm emphasizing the vocals

love the song

thanks for mod <3

oberonoberoneoberornnrono

osu file format v14

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Title:Natsukoi Hanabi
TitleUnicode:夏恋花火
Artist:chano & 40mP
ArtistUnicode:シャノ & 40mP
Creator:Net0
Version:Bariton's Insane
Source:
Tags:sugar panoram a note summer festival fireworks chano Trynna Mun MkGuh Shizuku- Mirash Delis Ataraxia Bariton
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Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 7 years ago

realy0_ wrote:
Trynna's Insane

00:19:904 (1) - snap the red anchor to the blue tick ? uh my slider shape is ok
00:29:208 (1) - i don't like this stack idk, i would place it at x410 y139 just because it's the note pitch down i think it's ok
00:37:753 (4,5,1) - the slider's body seems to not be aligned with the precedent combo tried to fix
00:41:360 (1) - do the same thing as 00:29:208 (1) -
00:41:360 (1,1) - take care of the blanket ? fixed
01:10:031 (6) - add a circle to keep the rhythm consistant like this one 01:15:917 (5,6,1) - you've used a completely different section as reference
01:22:183 (5) - ^

update

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Nikakis

770 posts

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Nikakis 7 years ago

your current preview point is kinda meh, consider putting it on 01:07:088 - , it's better

gl with the set

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

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Topic Starter

Neto 7 years ago

Nikakis wrote:
your current preview point is kinda meh, consider putting it on 01:07:088 - , it's better

gl with the set

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Nevo

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Nevo 7 years ago

Extra
00:14:588 (2) - i would kinda expected this to be placed above the slider and parallel like https://puu.sh/A7TqS/264891e3e9.jpg or something kinda like how you did 00:13:069 (3,4) - and 00:16:107 (3,4) -
00:24:272 (1,2,3,4,1) - I dont understand why you spaced this stream out it seems kinda overkill considering the map isnt really intense
00:33:765 (1) - would be neat to have this be a slider since you make 00:35:284 (5) - and its basically the same noise
00:35:284 (5) - could be ncd for consistency with 00:33:765 (1) -
00:37:942 (5) - spacing to this could be smaller since the vocal isnt really intense nor is it the same intensity as 00:36:613 (10,1) -
00:38:132 (6) - more spacing to this would be cool since rn it feels pretty under-emphasized considering its a downbeat
00:39:461 (1) - nc here seems kinda random since the beat isnt anything that really needs emphasizing
00:46:487 - honestly i feel you should make this clickable since the beat is pretty like "important" sounding
00:46:297 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,1) - maybe adjust this so its not the same exact pattern as 00:34:145 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,1,1) -
00:54:651 (1) - ctrl g on this could be nice to emphasis the nc and vocal also for consistency with 00:52:943 (3,1) - which is like the exact same thing
01:11:170 (6) - maybe stack this with 01:10:601 (3) - would be nice way to emphasis the drum
01:12:879 (2,3) - a 1/2 slider would be cool here to reflect the vocal would also differentiate it from 01:13:259 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - or even like delete 01:13:069 (3) - and just have a 1/1 gap idk
01:08:892 (2) - would be neat to increase sv kinda like you did with 01:11:930 (1) - | 01:14:968 (2) - same here I basically think it would be cool since its in the kiai and would make these all stand out in the same way
01:18:006 (2) - placing this under 01:16:866 (3) - would be a neat way to make it different from 01:17:246 (4,6) - basically like https://puu.sh/A7UNM/e70a627226.png
01:18:955 (6) - making this a slider could be a cool way to give a hold before 1/2 jumps that come after or even just delete 01:19:145 (7) - so the player has a tiny pause before the next set of squares
01:19:715 (3) - maybe find a way to make this stand out from the rest of the pattern like I know its in the middle but i feel it could have more emphasis
01:21:993 (7) - jump to this is fairly uncomfortable maybe adjust it so the head is stacked on 01:21:423 (4) -
01:24:461 (1,2,3) - spacing of this triple is kinda big imo at least in comparison to the rest of the map imo
01:28:449 (1,2) - this jump kinda lowers the intensity of the section since it has smaller spacing than the 12s prior
01:29:588 (1,2) - why not make this bigger to emphasis it as the last 12
01:31:107 (1,2,3,4,1) - same as the other 5 note stream and triple i feel having this spaced is just kinda overkill in comparison to the map
01:34:904 (2,3,4,5) - you could loser spacing of these since song is getting more quiet

sorry i didnt mod all the diffs :<
good luck with set!

Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

Nevo wrote:
Extra
00:14:588 (2) - i would kinda expected this to be placed above the slider and parallel like https://puu.sh/A7TqS/264891e3e9.jpg or something kinda like how you did 00:13:069 (3,4) - and 00:16:107 (3,4) - It's just a small variation,
00:24:272 (1,2,3,4,1) - I dont understand why you spaced this stream out it seems kinda overkill considering the map isnt really intense I'm just matching the stream difficulty with the jumps difficulty
00:33:765 (1) - would be neat to have this be a slider since you make 00:35:284 (5) - and its basically the same noise The last circle is mapping a cymbal while the previous are mapping only the melody, the contrast is nice there, also check 00:30:727 (1,1,1,1,1) -
00:35:284 (5) - could be ncd for consistency with 00:33:765 (1) - This combo is consistent with 00:46:297 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - it's indeed suppose to be longer
00:37:942 (5) - spacing to this could be smaller since the vocal isnt really intense nor is it the same intensity as 00:36:613 (10,1) -
00:38:132 (6) - more spacing to this would be cool since rn it feels pretty under-emphasized considering its a downbeat
The emphasis here is done by the contrast of moviment here; 00:36:803 (1,2,3,4,5) - they're doing a counter clock-wise motion, while 00:38:132 (6) - breaks the flow with the reverse making it stand out more compared to the other objects
00:39:461 (1) - nc here seems kinda random since the beat isnt anything that really needs emphasizing 00:38:892 (1,2,1,1) - This section has a piano that didn't stand out a lot before, that's why the combo colors and the NC usage is modified
00:46:487 - honestly i feel you should make this clickable since the beat is pretty like "important" sounding 4 circles in a row there would be bad imo
00:46:297 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,1) - maybe adjust this so its not the same exact pattern as 00:34:145 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,1,1) - They're not the same but very similar; check 00:49:525 (3,4,5,6,7) - vs 00:37:373 (3,4,5,6,7) - :<
00:54:651 (1) - ctrl g on this could be nice to emphasis the nc and vocal also for consistency with 00:52:943 (3,1) - which is like the exact same thingBut all sliders are pointing down that would make it inconsistent
01:11:170 (6) - maybe stack this with 01:10:601 (3) - would be nice way to emphasis the drum Nice
01:12:879 (2,3) - a 1/2 slider would be cool here to reflect the vocal would also differentiate it from 01:13:259 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - or even like delete 01:13:069 (3) - and just have a 1/1 gap idk Delete 3 seems cool
01:08:892 (2) - would be neat to increase sv kinda like you did with 01:11:930 (1) - | 01:14:968 (2) - same here I basically think it would be cool since its in the kiai and would make these all stand out in the same way Not really, I'm doing SV on the second repetiton of those long vocal lines because they're kinda more important imo compared to the first and third repetition, so I made them stand out a bit more
01:18:006 (2) - placing this under 01:16:866 (3) - would be a neat way to make it different from 01:17:246 (4,6) - basically like https://puu.sh/A7UNM/e70a627226.pngNot sure if I get this point tbh
01:18:955 (6) - making this a slider could be a cool way to give a hold before 1/2 jumps that come after or even just delete 01:19:145 (7) - so the player has a tiny pause before the next set of squares Now a break
01:19:715 (3) - maybe find a way to make this stand out from the rest of the pattern like I know its in the middle but i feel it could have more emphasisIt's fine to me, because the snare is already emphasized on the later part of the pattern 01:20:474 (7) - otherwise it won't work as a linear pattern x.x
01:21:993 (7) - jump to this is fairly uncomfortable maybe adjust it so the head is stacked on 01:21:423 (4) - That's the idea
01:24:461 (1,2,3) - spacing of this triple is kinda big imo at least in comparison to the rest of the map imoDifficulty balance thing
01:28:449 (1,2) - this jump kinda lowers the intensity of the section since it has smaller spacing than the 12s priorVocal reset needed contrast, I have spacing one as well as changing direction of the jump pattern
01:29:588 (1,2) - why not make this bigger to emphasis it as the last 12Because this moviment 01:29:398 (2,1,2) - constrasts greatly with the entire 1-2 before 01:28:449 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -
01:31:107 (1,2,3,4,1) - same as the other 5 note stream and triple i feel having this spaced is just kinda overkill in comparison to the mapIt's not, it's a fair difficulty compared to how big the jumps are
01:34:904 (2,3,4,5) - you could loser spacing of these since song is getting more quietok

sorry i didnt mod all the diffs :<
good luck with set!

Thanks for modding ^^

Pulse

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Ataraxia

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Ataraxia 7 years ago

parece q a mesa viro

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Chanyah

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Chanyah 7 years ago

didn't forget just been really busy x.x

EDIT: Finally have some free time to actually finish this mod~

Extra

01:08:322 (7,1) - I think it worth giving (1) more emphasis by bringing up the the spacing some - right now I feel it seems pretty low in comparsion to other jumps like 01:11:360 (7,1) - where I get it is more intense here but I still feel that the other time should be higher than it is currently

Mun's Extra

00:00:348 - from here to here 00:09:461 - Don't really see why this is the only difficulty to not used any hitsounds for this section - really no harm to just used some then to leave it empty like this
01:19:335 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - compare to the beginning of 01:07:183 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - I understand sorta but the difference in the jumps is quite huge when the song doesn't really get that much intense in this part 01:19:335 - and I felt like the jumps is just over done in general - it would be nice to reduce the jumps (not a huge nerf but I would like to see them being reduce some) - also it wouldn't hurt to increase the jumps at the beginning as well since I think they are too low

Bariton's Insane

01:16:677 - 01:17:436 - could add Normal Sampleset for these 2 notes - right now it sounds empty without them and a bit inconsistent with other hitsounds

MK's Hard

00:33:385 (4) - don't really understand this 1/4 repeat here - there isn't really nothing in the music to support it here and the overmap is just unnnessary (especially for a hard) I think it would be better to just have this as a regular 1/1 slider or something like all the other difficulties in this part

Collab Normal

00:09:841 (2) - would be fitting here to add a whistle

Ataraxia's Easy

00:29:208 - I get this an easy and all but I don't see the reason to ignore these 00:29:208 - 00:30:348 - in the song and just leave this long gap right here leaving it feel empty when it really shouldn't be - I feel like you at least have a circle at those 2 places or something similar to the normal but less dense of course

General

Ataraxia's Easy hmm think it be better to raise the hp to 2 ~ even for an easy - think having it 1 for this diff density is low - for spread reasons if you change the 1st point, raise the Collab Normal hp to 3
isn't HP 8 quite too harsh for Delis' insane? at least have it around 6.5 hp or 7 because I don't quite see why it has to be the highest hp in this set

Last edited by Chanyah 7 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

Ataraxia

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Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

Hailie wrote:
didn't forget just been really busy x.x

placeholder (2-3 days approx.)

Okay!

Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

Hailie wrote:
didn't forget just been really busy x.x

EDIT: Finally have some free time to actually finish this mod~

Extra
01:08:322 (7,1) - I think it worth giving (1) more emphasis by bringing up the the spacing some - right now I feel it seems pretty low in comparsion to other jumps like 01:11:360 (7,1) - where I get it is more intense here but I still feel that the other time should be higher than it is currentlyI mean I did an anti-jump there to contrast it with 01:08:133 (6,7) - just like I did here 01:20:284 (6,7,1) - if you still don't agree let me know I'll try to make a jump

Collab Normal
00:09:841 (2) - would be fitting here to add a whistle Sure!

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General
Ataraxia's Easy hmm think it be better to raise the hp to 2 ~ even for an easy - think having it 1 for this diff density is low - for spread reasons if you change the 1st point, raise the Collab Normal hp to 3 Okay
isn't HP 8 quite too harsh for Delis' insane? at least have it around 6.5 hp or 7 because I don't quite see why it has to be the highest hp in this setMakes sense imo considering that he is following Shinxyn settings for insane diff but I'll let him check that

Delis

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Delis 7 years ago

dude I had a small remap on it and it's no longer full shinxyn mode (more of like darkringsystem (hopefully))

Mun

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Mun 7 years ago

Hailie wrote:
didn't forget just been really busy x.x

EDIT: Finally have some free time to actually finish this mod~

Mun's Extra
00:00:348 - from here to here 00:09:461 - Don't really see why this is the only difficulty to not used any hitsounds for this section - really no harm to just used some then to leave it empty like this
01:19:335 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - compare to the beginning of 01:07:183 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - I understand sorta but the difference in the jumps is quite huge when the song doesn't really get that much intense in this part 01:19:335 - and I felt like the jumps is just over done in general - it would be nice to reduce the jumps (not a huge nerf but I would like to see them being reduce some) - also it wouldn't hurt to increase the jumps at the beginning as well since I think they are too low

hello yes applied

Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

Okay applied both points on Easy and Hard diffs, everything updated.

Chanyah

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Delis' Insane
01:16:677 - forgot to mention last time - basically missing hitsound like on Bariton's diff

Mk's Hard
Claps is missing in the kiai and possibly due to Extra skipping over these when copying over

00:45:537 (3) - should be a clap
01:09:082 - clap
01:10:601 (2) - clap should be on the downbeat 01:10:601 - remove the clap here 01:10:791 -
01:12:120 - clap
01:12:879 - clap
01:15:158 - clap
01:24:272 - clap

^ Some of this applies to the Advanced , Trynna's Insane , easy , maybe the collab normal so check that out - the other diffs seem to be using their own hitsounding so I didn't mention them

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Ataraxia

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Ataraxia 7 years ago

Hailie wrote:
didn't forget just been really busy x.x ~

EDIT: Finally have some free time to actually finish this mod~

Ataraxia's Easy
00:29:208 - I get this an easy and all but I don't see the reason to ignore these 00:29:208 - 00:30:348 - in the song and just leave this long gap right here leaving it feel empty when it really shouldn't be - I feel like you at least have a circle at those 2 places or something similar to the normal but less dense of course

agree, added a 1/1 to follow vocal

About the hs, i made myself in easy diff and put my hitsounds, so you will need to redl (sorrysorrysorrysrsoyrsyrosorysoyrsoyroysryos)

thanks for mod

Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

Hailie wrote:
Delis' Insane
01:16:677 - forgot to mention last time - basically missing hitsound like on Bariton's diff

Mk's Hard
Claps is missing in the kiai and possibly due to Extra skipping over these when copying over

00:45:537 (3) - should be a clap
01:09:082 - clap
01:10:601 (2) - clap should be on the downbeat 01:10:601 - remove the clap here 01:10:791 -
01:12:120 - clap
01:12:879 - clap
01:15:158 - clap
01:24:272 - clap

^ Some of this applies to the Advanced , Trynna's Insane , easy , maybe the collab normal so check that out - the other diffs seem to be using their own hitsounding so I didn't mention them

k that will be all from me ~ call me back

All done

Chanyah

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Chanyah 7 years ago

soft-slidertick93.wav stating this isn't being used

also trynna diff is still missing the claps I mention above like 00:45:537 - 01:09:082 - 01:12:120 - etc, so please fix that

should be all there is now

Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

Hailie wrote:
soft-slidertick93.wav stating this isn't being used

also trynna diff is still missing the claps I mention above like 00:45:537 - 01:09:082 - 01:12:120 - etc, so please fix that

should be all there is now

All fixed

Chanyah

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Chanyah 7 years ago

Okay should be good to go ~ Nominated <3

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ta em shokk net0?

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wow, can't belive this

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Wow.

Map's improved a lot since the last time I saw it. Grats

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Neto 7 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Wow.

Map's improved a lot since the last time I saw it. Grats

Thanks, everyone told me the new version is better, glad I could improve it and it's more related to what I do nowadays

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