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Bariton

Joined October 2012

victorfernando wrote:
olar tudo bom ?

Bariton's Insane
00:01:866 pra que tanto reverse ? :p >:(
00:04:904 ^ tenta trocar esses reverse por circulos nao
00:45:537 okueceu um som aqui :p ok
00:51:803 bota ele um pouco mais longe , quando fui jogar pensei que era 1/4 mas na stackei era 1/2 quando fui olhar no editor :p stackei
01:08:797 o som do slider termina aqui e começa outro n eu fiz algo diferente do que vc falou mas mudeia botar som ou não <3 eu fiz algo diferente do que vc falou mas mudei
a diff mais bonitinha :3 <3 obg fofooooooooooooooooooooooteamo

natsukoi hanabinho

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_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 8 years ago

You can guess which diff this is for

00:33:196 (1) - I know you went to map the backing track for this, the same layer that 00:32:816 (1) is mapping. But to me it would make be much more intuitive (and make more sense in a way) to use https://i.imgur.com/7WaeKhB.png or https://i.imgur.com/IH4fcTu.png . This is because it would follow the same layer (drums) as 00:29:208 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - and avoid abrupt changes in which instrument you follow.
00:45:348 (1) - ^
00:37:753 (4) - Would you consider spacing this a bit to the left a bit so it doesn't look like it slightly touches 2? This is one of the few objects that doesnt have other objects stacked underneath it and separating it from 2 a bit would make it look more structured imho
01:08:133 (6,7) - Decreasing the spacing between 6 and 7 would create more emphasis on the vocal pattern at 01:08:512 (1) . As of now the huge spacing between 6 and 7 takes away a bit of emphasis from it
01:11:550 (1,1,1) - I don't really agree on the slow SV on this slider tbqh. I can't see how it's different from 01:08:512 (1,2,3) - and if it is then it must be very minuscule. In the end it just comes off as rather forced. I am a person that sometimes creates different patterns to try to incorporate a certain feel, but because you've already established a no SV change pattern earlier it ends up being really abrupt and feels like youre trying to put too many ideas into your map. Same with 01:23:702 (1,1)
01:17:816 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern uses considerably lower spacing than the rest of the kiai. I just wanted to point this out because this quite an emphatic space of the chorus the low spacing doesnt seem to do it justice imho
01:20:664 (8) - I can't tell if this is a mistake or not so I'm just going to point it out. You didn't opt for three 3/4 sliders for the vocals like you did at 01:08:512 (1,2,3) - and this is the only place in the chorus where you skipped out on mapping with this rhythm

[]w ~

Smokeman

463 posts

Joined November 2012

Smokeman 8 years ago

haha... memes ; )

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

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Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Kisses wrote:
You can guess which diff this is for
00:33:196 (1) - I know you went to map the backing track for this, the same layer that 00:32:816 (1) is mapping. But to me it would make be much more intuitive (and make more sense in a way) to use https://i.imgur.com/7WaeKhB.png or https://i.imgur.com/IH4fcTu.png . This is because it would follow the same layer (drums) as 00:29:208 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - and avoid abrupt changes in which instrument you follow.
00:45:348 (1) - ^This rhythm suggestion is the intuitive choice indeed, but that's not the layer I'm following. I kept rhythm somewhat obvious, but I made the choice to follow melody in specific parts like 00:32:816 (1,1,1) - /01:00:727 (1,2,1) - /01:08:512 (1,2,3) - etc to make them stand out more and be a new approach to the songs rhythm representation. It's one drum skip´, I think it's mostly fine.
00:37:753 (4) - Would you consider spacing this a bit to the left a bit so it doesn't look like it slightly touches 2? This is one of the few objects that doesnt have other objects stacked underneath it and separating it from 2 a bit would make it look more structured imhoSure, moved it in the x axis by 2.
01:08:133 (6,7) - Decreasing the spacing between 6 and 7 would create more emphasis on the vocal pattern at 01:08:512 (1) . As of now the huge spacing between 6 and 7 takes away a bit of emphasis from it All right, I made the spacing lower
01:11:550 (1,1,1) - I don't really agree on the slow SV on this slider tbqh. I can't see how it's different from 01:08:512 (1,2,3) - and if it is then it must be very minuscule. In the end it just comes off as rather forced. I am a person that sometimes creates different patterns to try to incorporate a certain feel, but because you've already established a no SV change pattern earlier it ends up being really abrupt and feels like youre trying to put too many ideas into your map. Same with 01:23:702 (1,1) I have to disagree, the concept of using different SV sliders was already used before in the diff, the point of the kiai is just increasing its intensity for the vocal emphasis, especially for the "Hanabi" phrase, which seems imo the most important part to use it.
01:17:816 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern uses considerably lower spacing than the rest of the kiai. I just wanted to point this out because this quite an emphatic space of the chorus the low spacing doesnt seem to do it justice imhoSure, I changed the placement of 01:18:196 (3) - to increase spacing here
01:20:664 (8) - I can't tell if this is a mistake or not so I'm just going to point it out. You didn't opt for three 3/4 sliders for the vocals like you did at 01:08:512 (1,2,3) - and this is the only place in the chorus where you skipped out on mapping with this rhythmI did that mostly because the second kiai part is not the same in intensity compared to the previous one; that's why rhythms are more intense. That's why I used only one 3/4 here 01:20:664 (1) - since I only skip there a hi-hat, you can also notice how it got more intense comparing 01:23:702 (1,1,1,2,3) - with 01:11:550 (1,1,1) - , and overall the angles got more agressivelly mapped too in this section. I could apply tho the 3/4 here 01:21:423 (4,5,6) - since this too is just hi-hat, so let me know if you think it could work with two, but I definetly can't make all of the 3 like in the previous chorus section
[]w ~

victorfernando wrote:
olar tudo bom ? Tudo ^^

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00:13:829 esse overlap me da um toc fudido se você arrumasse ou não sei lá depende de tu, eu ficaria agradecido <3 :
overlap
Essa foi a opção esteticamente mais bonita pra mim lol, se vc tiver alguma sugestão diversa, fique a vontade
00:18:006 o espaço entre o 4 e o 1 é muito pequeno , consideraria aumentar o espaçoMas não tá dando overlap nesse caso
00:18:575 essa parte ai tá mto né?
00:19:145 você poderia tirar esse circulo , depois ve o ritmo , praticamente você botou som aonde não tinhaToda essa parte o ritmo é 1/2, então existe sim som aí.
00:19:525 aqui um quick slider seria melhor por que o som começa no tick branco e termina logo em seguida no tick vermelho porém você teria que mudar sua pattern , isso depende de vocêA diff tinha que simplificar, se vc observar o Advanced eu usei esse ritmo que vc achou melhor ^^
00:19:715 aqui tem som de um circulo só
00:19:904 e aqui começaria um slider que terminaria em 00:20:474
tirando isso o ritmo tá bem <3 boa sorteBasicamente vc não concordou com o pattern. Bom, como eu expliquei, nessa parte eu tinha que simplificar um ritmo que é inteiramente 1/2. Pra fazer isso sem usar sliders 1/2, eu optei por mapear todos os sons importantes com slider; 00:18:575 (1,3,5,7) - , ou seja todos os sons de snare ficaram representadas por um objeto, enquanto que o sons do tick vermelho foram simplificados pela metade 00:18:765 - /00:19:525 - /00:20:284 - /00:21:044 - e a outra metade é circle já que se trata de som de natureza distinta. Optei por esse pattern porque se trata de uma parte dificil da música, tanto que é um dos poucos momentos que vc vai ter uma sequência mais intensa assim.

Smokeman wrote:
haha... memes ; )

Well this mapset isn't meme :<

fanzhen0019

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

1,724 posts

Joined July 2010

fanzhen0019 8 years ago

I'll pick some diff only...

General

Mirash's Extra

Hitsounds
[list:1337]////Arrangement & Design

00:30:158 (1,2,1,1,2,1,2,3) - This is mean...
01:02:436 (1,2) - You didn't touch the head and tail on earlier sliders. So I suggest you keep them in the same way.
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Shizuku's Insane

Hitsounds

No problm

Arrangement & Design

00:47:626 (2) - Could be stacked better
00:59:588 (1) - To follow your overall style I suggest you put it like this: To make them on the same line.
If you do so don't forget to move the following 01:01:677 (2) -
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01:35:854 (1) - accident?

Mun's Expert

Hitsounds

Well done.

Arrangement & Design

01:34:335 (3) - It looks a bit weird. I'd put this note at somewhere else like here:
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Nostalgic Festival

Hitsounds

No prob here.

Arrangement & Design

I noticed you are trying to use different type of combocolors for marking sections. Maybe you can do this here (01:26:170 -), for marking some jumps
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01:36:993 (4,5,6,1) - Music here is a fade-out outro, I think you can decrease their distance.
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You used lots of symmetry patterns, I can't pick any other important issues here..

I testplayed all >Insane diff. Other diffs are fine to me.
Good luck!

Neto

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Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

fanzhen0019 wrote:
I'll pick some diff only... No worries

Nostalgic Festival

Hitsounds
No prob here.
Arrangement & Design

I noticed you are trying to use different type of combocolors for marking sections. Yep I did thatMaybe you can do this here (01:26:170 -), for marking some jumpsit is marked, the jumps with kicksliders are using the green and blue/purple combo color, they're different from the other red-pink, similar to what I did here 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) -
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01:36:993 (4,5,6,1) - Music here is a fade-out outro, I think you can decrease their distance.Applied suggestion, decreased the spacing there.
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You used lots of symmetry patterns, I can't pick any other important issues here..hmm so using symmetriy is an issue? I'm not sure about that, if there's any specific pattern you don't approve let me know.

I testplayed all >Insane diff. Other diffs are fine to me.
Good luck!thanks a lot

Hollow Wings

1,514 posts

Joined July 2010

Hollow Wings 8 years ago

m4m

General

combo 7 and combo 8's red colors in most diffs are very similar, not recommend you to do that thou...

Nostalgic Festival

00:27:120 (2,3,4) - shouldn't these jumps' distances are in 00:23:322 (2,3,4,5,6) - 's kind? similar mod to 01:05:854 (1,2,3) - as well.
00:42:879 (1) - nc from here is a bit confused to me. i recommend just set nc at those notes have 1/1 gap before them.
01:18:006 (2) - move to 180,184?
01:23:322 (6,7) - i recommend you swap these two.
01:24:082 (1,1) - this jump is kinda too large.
01:29:398 (1,2) - this should be a big jump imo... not really necessary to give ds pattern here. if you insist note 2 should be at that corner, stack it at note 1 can be the best solve.
hmmmmm, when 1/2 and 1/4 gaps appeared together, new combos are usually used, that's ok. but the places you set them are caring downbeats too much, focus on the detail patterns should be better than that way. and also, notes' jumps are in regular symmetry like way placement set, but random like distance set, i think you shall consider both of them at same time... i can understand some of patterns or organizations made on purpose, maybe i'm just not fav on these.

Mun's Expert

00:25:791 (6,1) - this jump is too large and not necessary, try move note 6 to 296,136.
00:30:158 (1,2) - this jump is too large compared to 00:42:309 (1,2) - .
00:48:955 (6) - missed nc.
01:06:613 (8) - add nc here to notice the sudden ds shifting. maybe add another nc at 01:06:234 (7) - and be better.
01:16:677 (2,5) - as for your slider overlapping style, you can hide these two under 01:16:866 (3) - 's previous part.

Shizuku's Extra

00:10:411 (3) - add nc maybe, for you have all these nc spam for ds shifting. maybe 01:02:056 (3) - as well, and things like that, won't mention much.
00:36:803 (1,2) - swap nc setting can be simple.
00:51:803 (3,1) - idk why people start overlapping arrows, but this is kinda unrankble.

Mirash's Extra

00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - these doubles are like following nothing, even you skipped that downbeat. i don't think this is kinda right rhythm for that proper part.
01:04:145 (1,1,1,1) - nc spam here is not necessary.
jumps at 01:07:183 (1) - with heated emotion, even shorter than jumps at 00:29:208 (1) - in quiet part...

Delis' Insane

00:27:120 (4) - add nc for ds shifting.
finally a decent map for the proper song in an obviously matured style.

Trynna's Insane

maybe you shall find a way to help players distinguish 00:18:196 (6,1) - and 00:19:335 (5,6) - 's ds pattern, by noticing something.
01:16:677 (2,3) - swap them can be better for the heated part.
01:23:322 (4,5) - swap them can be better, for it can emphasize the vocal beat at 01:23:702 (1) - 's head with a larger jump.
good map.

not much to say about lower ones...

hmmmmmmmmmm...

good luck.

Neto

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Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Hollow Wings wrote:
m4m

combo 7 and combo 8's red colors in most diffs are very similar, not recommend you to do that thou...My diff in particular only goes up to color 6, so this probably refers to some GD
Nostalgic Festival
00:27:120 (2,3,4) - shouldn't these jumps' distances are in 00:23:322 (2,3,4,5,6) - 's kind? similar mod to 01:05:854 (1,2,3) - as well.The song is not as intense there, but I'll space them more to keep it consistent with 00:23:322 (2,3,4,5,6) -
00:42:879 (1) - nc from here is a bit confused to me. i recommend just set nc at those notes have 1/1 gap before them.The idea of the NC here is kinda obvious if you highlight all of them 00:29:208 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - , changes here.
01:18:006 (2) - move to 180,184?I'm not sure WHY but I'll do that
01:23:322 (6,7) - i recommend you swap these two.Sure
01:24:082 (1,1) - this jump is kinda too large.Considering the overall spacing I don't believe this is off, however I did nerf the slider speed and decreased the pattern size.
01:29:398 (1,2) - this should be a big jump imo... not really necessary to give ds pattern here. if you insist note 2 should be at that corner, stack it at note 1 can be the best solve.I stacked... But I thought that the intention there was clear enough... Well if even you can't get it I'll just change that
hmmmmm, when 1/2 and 1/4 gaps appeared together, new combos are usually used, that's ok. but the places you set them are caring downbeats too much, focus on the detail patterns should be better than that way. and also, notes' jumps are in regular symmetry like way placement set, but random like distance set, i think you shall consider both of them at same time... i can understand some of patterns or organizations made on purpose, maybe i'm just not fav on these.I'm pretty sure I made spacing consistent and not random, but if you find something off with how it was done, just point it so I can see it. This section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - is indeed symetrically done. But the spacing/flow goes along with song intensity, as you can see the stronger transitions all had bigger spacing 00:20:854 (1,2,1,2,1) - compared to 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - , flow from this point on 00:21:613 (1) - was linear so all the main curves; 00:22:183 (1) - /00:22:563 (1) - /00:22:942 (1) - with harder flow. Another thing worth mentioning is that this map uses a gimmick with the playfield that this pattern shows if you compare 00:18:575 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - with 00:18:765 (2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,3,2,2) - . So yeah it's not random, but I can see why you didn't like it.

good luck.

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 8 years ago

reds are delis

blueloniess

364 posts

Joined February 2014

blueloniess 8 years ago

[Nostalgic Festival]
00:20:284 (2) - I think this note should be here 00:19:525 (2) , this one 00:20:474 (1) should be here - 00:19:335 (1) then this one 00:20:664 (2) - be here 00:19:904 (2) - . then it becomes a Symmetrical Polygon

01:12:310 (1) - why slow down so much? shouldn't this part similar this part?01:09:272 (3) -

pretty awesome

[Mun's expert]
00:06:992 (1,2) - stack
00:48:006 (3,4) - too close , separate it
01:04:145 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - I think you can make this jumps much bigger

[Shizuku's Extra]
00:46:866 (1,2,3) - make these three on a same line

[Mirash's Extra]
00:00:348 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3) - why don't make this part similar ?
00:17:721 (1) - overmap?
00:21:613 - why ignore here
00:47:056 (5,6) - stack or separate or move 00:47:056 (5) - at around (x:295 y:132)

[Delis' Insane]
00:07:753 (3,4,5,6,7) - ★ pls
00:19:715 (7,1) - stack?

[Trynna's Insane]
00:24:272 (1,2,3,4) - holy... really?

This is too terrify in a insane mapset
01:04:145 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - maybe a ★？
01:10:221 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ★
pp map style

[Bariton's Insane]
01:22:183 (4,2,3) - stack?

[MK's hard]
00:03:955 (3) - Ctrl+G?

Sry but IDK how to mod EZ and NM

This map impressed me a lot
IDK how to give a suggestion under this kind of mapping style

masterpieces.
I can't play it well though.

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

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Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

blueloniess wrote:
[Nostalgic Festival]
00:20:284 (2) - I think this note should be here 00:19:525 (2) , this one 00:20:474 (1) should be here - 00:19:335 (1) then this one 00:20:664 (2) - be here 00:19:904 (2) - . then it becomes a Symmetrical PolygonIf the point is being a symmetrical pattern I think it already suits your suggestion ^^

01:12:310 (1) - why slow down so much? shouldn't this part similar this part?01:09:272 (3) - They share some similarities indeed; 01:08:512 (1,2,3) - here you can see that 01:08:512 (1,2) - are more straight and imply more moviment, while 01:09:272 (3) - you have to stop the cursor a bit more for the vocals that are prolonged and emphasized here 01:09:272 - . I applied the same idea here 01:11:550 (1,1,1) - but since this vocal line is more special in the song I added SV to the moviment idea.

pretty awesomeThanks a lot, glad you liked the map.

Ok guys, I think I gathered a few mods already, not sure if the other requests I've made I'll receive mods. For now I'll wait everyone to update their diffs responding to the mods, to check if the current mods received are enough. -w-

ShinodaYuu

633 posts

Joined May 2016

ShinodaYuu 8 years ago

Hi, from my queue

[Collab Normal]
00:09:461 (1) - This sound is very similar to 00:09:841 (2) - ,but here you highlighted only end of it, so instead of it 1/2 slider from 00:09:272 - to here would be better imo
00:37:183 - There's a drum beat here, so think of filling
00:38:512 - ^
00:49:335 - Like upon, drum but also vocals are stronger here
00:50:284 (3) - ^
00:51:044 (4) - ^
00:51:044 (4,1) - Blanket?
00:56:550 (1) - If you change first red tick to white to be more circular should look better imo
01:04:335 - Here's same as 01:05:094 (2) - so fill
01:16:677 - Strong sound, fill
01:24:461 (6,3) - Think of making it go same direction

[Advanced]
00:19:715 (4,5) - Would look better if blanket imo
00:23:702 - Strong sound, fill
00:33:385 - ^
00:45:537 - ^
00:47:626 (6) - I can't find anything what's a representation of this circle in song, better move to 00:47:816 -
00:48:765 (9) - Imo more important than these vocals are drums on 00:48:765 (9) -

I've also seen highest diff but it's I'm probably not experienced enough to know what's a real mistake here

Hope will be helpful

Ataraxia

673 posts

Joined February 2014

Ataraxia 8 years ago

I really love Trynna. Like, a lot. Like, a whole lot. You have no idea. I love her so much that it is inexplicable, and I'm ninety-nine percent sure that I have an unhealthy obsession. I will never get tired of listening that sweet, angelic voice of hers. It is my life goal to meet up with her in real life and just say hello to her. I fall asleep at night dreaming of her holding a personal concert for me, and then she would be so tired that she comes and cuddles up to me while we sleep together. If I could just hold her hand for a brief moment, I could die happy. If given the opportunity, I would lightly nibble on her ear just to hear what kind of sweet moans she would let out. Then, I would hug her while she clings to my body hoping that I would stop, but I only continue as she moans louder and louder. I would give up almost anything just for her to look in my general direction. No matter what I do, I am constantly thinking of her. When I wake up, she is the first thing on my mind. When I go to school, I can only focus on her. When I go come home, I go on the computer so that I can listen to her beautiful voice. When I go to sleep, I dream of her and I living a happy life together. She is my pride, passion, and joy. If she were to call me "Onii-chan," I would probably get diabetes from her sweetness and die. I wish for nothing but her happiness. If it were for her, I would give my life without any second thoughts. Without her, my life would serve no purpose. I really love Trynna.

Ataraxia

673 posts

Joined February 2014

Ataraxia 8 years ago

victorfernando wrote:
olar tudo bom ?

Antes de tudo, respondi o seu mod dentro da box

Ataraxia's Easy
o ritmo tá bonitinho mas o hitsound tá meio confuso pra mim , não se tá baixo ou se não tem sabe ? o hitsound esta incompleto, mas logo completo,
obrigado por checkar de qualquer jeito
00:37:753 eu acho que aqui ficaria melhor com um blanket , mas só opnião minha mesmo , você pode conferir o jeito que fica nessa imagem :
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Eu prefiri escolher o seguimento linear exato ao invez de fazer um blanket, pois como muda o ritmo, acredito eu que nao posso fazer uma patten de blanket que faz o player olhar em volta de um slidertail, mas sim, algo uniforme~~mente variado haha fisica xD~~
00:42:879 aqui você poderia tentar assim tbm Aplicado :
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00:51:993 o ritmo aqui tá um pouco mais acelerado , ao invés desse circulo poderia ser dois slider's mas claro , se tu for botar slider vai ter que arrumar a distancia da patern , ou botar um slider reverse mesmo <3 ritmo acelerado, talvez a batida, mas sinta essa parte com mais precisao, voce não ve algo calmo comparado ao momento anterior ? eu dei foco precisamente no vocal, pois é onde ela da a enfase, e onde a musica "canta" para ser mappeado, e como é um easy, quanto mais simples melhor, entao... 2 long sliders xD imagem :
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Só isso mesmo , bela gd <3

obrigado victor <3

Bariton wrote:
Ataraxia's Easy
00:12:499 (1,2) - usa um slider um pouco mais curvado pra fazer o blanket certinho não é tao necessario toda essa enfase em um blanket, a ideia permanesse a mesma, ta centralizado, entao nao aplicarei
00:41:360 (1,1) - blanket nao entendi lols mas eu refiz o slider pra fazer um "blanket"
00:45:537 (3) - eu acho que faz mais sentido botar esse círculo no 00:45:348 - se eu for colocar um circle ai, eu vou acabar tendo que dar enfase no mesmo som em toda patten anterior, e nem é tão forte esse momento , e outro motivo para eu não colocar é que eu vou confundir o ritmo inteiro, e como é um easy bla bla bla quanto mais simples melhor
00:53:512 (3,4) - isso ta muito feio vai se fude :< ~~rip orelha~~ eu nao se eu sou ignorante ou se eu realmente n presto atencao nesses detalhes, mas eu curvei mais, entao aplicado
01:22:373 (1) - meio undermapped comparado ao resto do kiai seila para min tava bom mas eu percebi que eu fiz diferente do 01:10:221 (1) - entao mudei e deixei no mesmo tempo que o 01:10:221 (1) -

não vou moddar a diff do guh pq ele é fresco >;( ele é um arrombado msm
also desculpa pelo meu mod horrível! que isso pow ta top

mod das mana

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Delis

1,442 posts

Joined May 2012

Delis 8 years ago

since i had a remap idk if some mods still make sense, i wrote where it didn't fit to the new ver

@peaceGiant
00:04:715 (3) - no thanks
00:23:512 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - remapped so it did
01:08:512 - doesn't fit to my mapping here
01:16:866 (2) - intentional

@Viperial
combo c: why tho
00:10:031 (3,4) - is fine
00:10:980 (2,1) - had a remap so idk the original one but now it is fine
00:17:626 (7) - good new ver has one :>
00:22:183 (3) - intentional for the melody
00:23:512 (1,2,1,2) - had remap here
00:30:348 (3,2) - ^
00:32:626 (5) - no need for new ver
00:50:284 (1,2,3,4) - is gone lul
01:07:183 (1) - added kiai
01:11:360 (3,1) -gone

@Pulse
00:31:297 (2) - had a remap and still has a overlap, but its fine imo
i think the rest has been remapped ;w;

@MyAngelSotarks-Senpai the Hokaage ninja master owoo
00:59:588 (1) - I thought it's like ur wave slider fffff changed
01:31:582 (1) - sry but i wanted at least one spinner ;w;
thx <#<332132<2

@HW
00:27:120 (4) - done!

@blueloniess
00:07:753 (3,4,5,6,7) - i think its fine as is
00:19:715 (7,1) - nowhere to

thx for mods

https://delisha.s-ul.eu/tcjhqiiB

Mirash

Nomination Assessment Team

707 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 8 years ago

sotarks

00:11:550 (4) - can u space it a bit more, i missed 2 time on this i thought it was a jump stream lul plays fine for me
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - wtf is this rhythm, what are you even trying to follow ? 00:21:518 (2,3) - i don't hear anything here
01:16:297 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same here dude why there's a damn stream
01:24:936 (4,2,4) - literally no sound here
this diff has really really weird rhythms.....

fanzhen

i replaced some circles in those mean places. hope its better now
and about second suggestion this slider has some lower volumes than the others also my hitsounding doing this too so i'll keep

Hollow Wings

nc spam looks cool
and those drums in calm part are damn strong so i wanted to highlight it with something special

blueloniess

variety feels better
nah there is something in the music suggesting that slider, i think that one is not an overmap xD
for diversity and fun!
but why should i move that circle lol

and about overmaps: i think it fits the song nicely and is not hard to play so i want to keep those
https://pastebin.com/dFGjsf5B

Pachiru

Global Moderator

2,957 posts

Joined June 2013

Pachiru 8 years ago

good luck :3

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 8 years ago

fanzhen0019

fanzhen0019 wrote:
Mun's Expert

Hitsounds
Well done.
Thanks! The diff had no hitsounds at the time you modded this, though

Arrangement & Design

01:34:335 (3) - It looks a bit weird. I'd put this note at somewhere else like here:
SPOILER
I'll move it a bit, but it's not nearly important enough to give that much more spacing

I testplayed all >Insane diff. Other diffs are fine to me.
Good luck!

Hollow Wings

Hollow Wings wrote:
m4m

Mun's Expert
00:25:791 (6,1) - this jump is too large and not necessary, try move note 6 to 296,136. I think this is fine, the tempo is fairly slow and the note this is jumping to is extremely strong.
00:30:158 (1,2) - this jump is too large compared to 00:42:309 (1,2) - . They're basically the same. Here they are next to each other and rotated for comparison:
00:48:955 (6) - missed nc. Fixed!
01:06:613 (8) - add nc here to notice the sudden ds shifting. maybe add another nc at 01:06:234 (7) - and be better. I'll NC the first of the 2, NCing the second is pointless
01:16:677 (2,5) - as for your slider overlapping style, you can hide these two under 01:16:866 (3) - 's previous part. Sort of changed.

not much to say about lower ones...

hmmmmmmmmmm...

good luck.

blueloniess

blueloniess wrote:
[Mun's expert]
00:06:992 (1,2) - stack nope
00:48:006 (3,4) - too close , separate it rotated 3 degrees, they no longer overlap
01:04:145 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - I think you can make this jumps much bigger no need, buildup shouldn't outdo the rest of the map that much.

masterpieces.
I can't play it well though.

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 8 years ago

@peaceGiant 00:04:715 (5) - i understand your point and yea the note has more impact, but i decided to simplify and keep some cleaner pattern so it can be p nice
00:12:499 (1,2) - fixd
00:24:272 (1,2,3,4) - there's no appropriate or not for an insane at all since ins and ex are the same but with different SR after all, it fits with my idea and thats also pretty cool with the map style
01:09:272 (3) - yes! it's called extended slider, i did that so it can fit the vocal and still have a nice feedback to the instrumental and the melody itself, also it's pretty different and cool to play!!
ty!!

@Viperial 00:18:575 (1,2,3,4) - nah that's why the pattern was planned to be, no need to go for squares
00:21:044 (5) - fits pretty ok, i wasn't really focusing on drums tho, if you listen to 00:20:664 (4,5,6,7,1) - well you will understand what i tried to do i guess ? not sure
01:03:196 (6,7) - it's a cool idea but blanket is nice too

(
tyty

@Pulse 00:57:689 (6) - aee alguém entendeu minha idei... ah você ta criticando

apesar de muita coisa ser difícil de ler

e dessa ser a coisa principal

01:02:816 (5) - meeeh eu não tenho ativado e acho esse tipo de comentário bem bobo, tocar algo não faz com que seja ilegível e é opção sua manter ali ou não tho
valeu menn

@Sotarks 00:21:518 (7) - there is but a reeeeeally low sound tho, i guess it's not a real bad idea since even if it was some kind of overmap it fits pretty ok to me

ty for the tip anyway!

@victorfernando 00:24:272 - julgue por ideias e não por SR :/
00:23:512 (2) - toda a pattern 00:23:322 (1,2,3,4,5) - está crescendo ?
00:27:310 - a imagem não carrega mas não pretendo mudar a pattern, ela tem um significado maior e é um ponto crucial na diff toda
01:09:272 (3,4) - ce ta loco? o cara morre mas não lê isso como extended slider, also, o flow ficaria bem meeeeeh
valeu mano

@Hollow_Wings 00:18:196 (6,1) - vs 00:19:335 (5,6) - i think the player can distinguish that pretty easily since the second one is notably bigger, but i will keep that in mind
01:16:677 (2,3) - agree but i kinda want to force 01:16:866 (3,4) - overlap so it can be harder to read and still works as a common stack
01:23:322 (4,5,1) - i agree again, but since 01:23:702 (1) - is not so strong i'm not aiming to give it a larger spacing nor something like that, i think the pattern like this plays pretty cool and gives enough feedback

(
ty for your points, they are pretty cool! i might consider some later if more people complain k?

@blueloniess 00:24:272 (1,2,3,4) - yea i told it a lot of times already but the concept is more important than the SR or something like that, this wasn't done to be really easy or something
i'm not fan of spamming star patterns as i like to be different on my jumpy stuff (cuz i'm training jumps in general, i'm pretty bad at doing them)
also could you tell me why you find it pp? i mean, most ideas i put here are pretty hard to get at first and not so easy to hit imo, also no 1-2s haha
ty for your thoughts!

also changed some aes stuff such as 00:37:753 (4,5,1) - and some really minor stuff
edit: added tagz as my version was ol d d in my pc

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Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Milar001

Milar001 wrote:
Hi, from my queue

[Collab Normal]
00:09:461 (1) - This sound is very similar to 00:09:841 (2) - ,but here you highlighted only end of it, so instead of it 1/2 slider from 00:09:272 - to here would be better imoThis rhythm works great to transition from the white to red polarity, also the objects you mentioned are different when you consider that 00:09:461 (1) - is main melody and 00:09:841 (2) - is melody+percussion.
00:37:183 - There's a drum beat here, so think of fillingImproved rhythm
00:38:512 - ^This is undermapped with melody, I think it's fine
00:49:335 - Like upon, drum but also vocals are stronger hereThis is also fine
00:50:284 (3) - ^
00:51:044 (4) - ^There's nothing wrong with going along with vocals and ignoring the beat clicks in this level of difficulty lol
00:51:044 (4,1) - Blanket?The pattern is not blanket intended
00:56:550 (1) - If you change first red tick to white to be more circular should look better imoThe point of the red anchors is to cover the vocal changes there, is not aesthetic.
01:04:335 - Here's same as 01:05:094 (2) - so fill This section is vocal 01:04:525 (1,2,3) - followed by instrumental 01:05:854 (4,5) - it's an undermapped rhythm that works in a hard transitioning way to express song intensity, doesn't make sense mixing the drums there with vocals
01:16:677 - Strong sound, fillAll right, added a circle with snare on it.
01:24:461 (6,3) - Think of making it go same directionIt's fine.

[Advanced]
00:19:715 (4,5) - Would look better if blanket imoIt plays better without it tho.
00:23:702 - Strong sound, filllol I can't make all of this 1/2 beats, this stills an easier diff, this level of rhythm must be used on higher difficulties
00:33:385 - ^This is a melody rhythm, the drum there is ignored on purpose
00:45:537 - ^^
00:47:626 (6) - I can't find anything what's a representation of this circle in song, better move to 00:47:816 - Vocals o.O
00:48:765 (9) - Imo more important than these vocals are drums on 00:48:765 (9) - In the case of denser rhythms that's a rhythm option, but here I don't agree with you lol

I've also seen highest diff but it's I'm probably not experienced enough to know what's a real mistake here

Hope will be helpful

Pachiru wrote:
good luck :3

Thanks a lot -w-

All diffs updated, except -Shizuku x.x.

I believe that everyone exposed their main points with diffs and the map received a decent amount of mods; 14 mods ,that covered all the diffs with at least two/three mods each diff. If anyone wants to point out anything that doesn't agree with diffs, feel free to do so ^^ , but I'll stop getting mods and look for BN now.
Thanks to all modders o/

Ataraxia

673 posts

Joined February 2014

Ataraxia 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
Milar001
Milar001 wrote:
Hi, from my queue

[Collab Normal]
00:09:461 (1) - This sound is very similar to 00:09:841 (2) - ,but here you highlighted only end of it, so instead of it 1/2 slider from 00:09:272 - to here would be better imoThis rhythm works great to transition from the white to red polarity, also the objects you mentioned are different when you consider that 00:09:461 (1) - is main melody and 00:09:841 (2) - is melody+percussion.
00:37:183 - There's a drum beat here, so think of fillingImproved rhythm
00:38:512 - ^This is undermapped with melody, I think it's fine
00:49:335 - Like upon, drum but also vocals are stronger hereThis is also fine
00:50:284 (3) - ^
00:51:044 (4) - ^There's nothing wrong with going along with vocals and ignoring the beat clicks in this level of difficulty lol
00:51:044 (4,1) - Blanket?The pattern is not blanket intended
00:56:550 (1) - If you change first red tick to white to be more circular should look better imoThe point of the red anchors is to cover the vocal changes there, is not aesthetic.
01:04:335 - Here's same as 01:05:094 (2) - so fill This section is vocal 01:04:525 (1,2,3) - followed by instrumental 01:05:854 (4,5) - it's an undermapped rhythm that works in a hard transitioning way to express song intensity, doesn't make sense mixing the drums there with vocals
01:16:677 - Strong sound, fillAll right, added a circle with snare on it.
01:24:461 (6,3) - Think of making it go same directionIt's fine.

[Advanced]
00:19:715 (4,5) - Would look better if blanket imoIt plays better without it tho.
00:23:702 - Strong sound, filllol I can't make all of this 1/2 beats, this stills an easier diff, this level of rhythm must be used on higher difficulties
00:33:385 - ^This is a melody rhythm, the drum there is ignored on purpose
00:45:537 - ^^
00:47:626 (6) - I can't find anything what's a representation of this circle in song, better move to 00:47:816 - Vocals o.O
00:48:765 (9) - Imo more important than these vocals are drums on 00:48:765 (9) - In the case of denser rhythms that's a rhythm option, but here I don't agree with you lol

I've also seen highest diff but it's I'm probably not experienced enough to know what's a real mistake here

Hope will be helpful

Pachiru wrote:
good luck :3
Thanks a lot -w-

All diffs updated, except -Shizuku x.x.

I believe that everyone exposed their main points with diffs and the map received a decent amount of mods; 14 mods ,that covered all the diffs with at least two/three mods each diff. If anyone wants to point out anything that doesn't agree with diffs, feel free to do so ^^ , but I'll stop getting mods and look for BN now.
Thanks to all modders o/

~~lembrando de nao chamar nenhum bonjour ou um xing xong xai pq se não eu vou manda tudo se fode aqui~~

Ayesha Altugle

3,091 posts

Joined October 2011

Ayesha Altugle 8 years ago

Fanzhen0019

Shizuku's Insane
Hitsounds

No problm

Arrangement & Design
[list]
00:47:626 (2) - Could be stacked better yes
00:59:588 (1) - To follow your overall style I suggest you put it like this: To make them on the same line. ok
If you do so don't forget to move the following 01:01:677 (2) -
[box=img]

01:35:854 (1) - accident? whoops

Hollow Wings

Shizuku's Extra

00:10:411 (3) - add nc maybe, for you have all these nc spam for ds shifting. maybe 01:02:056 (3) - as well, and things like that, won't mention much.fixed
00:36:803 (1,2) - swap nc setting can be simple. fixed
00:51:803 (3,1) - idk why people start overlapping arrows, but this is kinda unrankble. whoops

blueloniess

[Shizuku's Extra]
00:46:866 (1,2,3) - make these three on a same line this would cause an overlap on 00:45:917 (1,2) - so didn't do that one

Thanks for modding! Sorry if it took quite a while

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Smokeman

463 posts

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Smokeman 8 years ago

i am pretty sure riven edited the BG which Delis' dif uses, cause the original was too sad for this song link : (
So you could mention that in the description aswell

And this is the best BG for this song, hope you stick with it Delis 👌 👀

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Smokeman wrote:
i am pretty sure riven edited the BG which Delis' dif uses, cause the original was too sad for this song link : (
So you could mention that in the description aswell

And this is the best BG for this song, hope you stick with it Delis 👌 👀

The best thing tbh would be giving credits for all BG used, by I'll make sure to at least mention Delis diff BG along with mp3/star pattern which I did linked for Riven's mapset. Thanks for that info.

Osatia

272 posts

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Osatia 8 years ago

gl on this net0!

Kensuke

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Kensuke 8 years ago

maybe im late to mod your map. gl net0~
monstrata's is better

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

- Frontier - wrote:
maybe im late to mod your map. gl net0~
monstrata's is better

Nice transparent :/
You're not late at all, I'm still taking mods o/

Kensuke

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Kensuke 8 years ago

k then

[General]

Unused Hitsounds: soft-hitfinish2.wav, soft-sliderslide3.wav
Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: drum-hitwhistle.wav, normal-hitfinish51.wav
Inconsistent widescreen storyboard:
Listing
Nostalgic Festival: 0
Mirash's Extra: 0
Collab Normal: 1
Shizuku's Extra: 1
Delis' Insane: 1
Trynna's Insane: 1
Advanced: 1
Ataraxia's Easy: 1
Bariton's Insane: 1
Mk's Hard: 1
Mun's Expert: 1
Beatmap finishes on different times
Listing
Ataraxia's Easy: 01:31:487 -
Collab Normal: 01:34:525 -
Advanced: 01:34:525 -
Nostalgic Festival: 01:37:563 -
Shizuku's Extra: 01:37:563 -
Delis' Insane: 01:37:563 -
Mirash's Extra: 01:37:563 -
Trynna's Insane: 01:37:563 -
Bariton's Insane: 01:37:563 -
Mk's Hard: 01:37:563 -
Mun's Expert: 01:37:563 -
Inconsistent ending times for Collab Normal and Advanced are acceptable for me, but could you consider making Ataraxia's Easy's ending time as same as normal & advanced?
The background's image dimensions of Mun's Expert is 2084x1199 which exceeds the limited dimensions (1920x1200). It's considered to be unrankable. Fit it thank you

[Ataraxia's Easy]

bg doesn't fit with the song lol. maybe try to find bg that is suitable with the song?
00:23:322 (1,2) - Instead, why don't you add nc at 00:24:651 (2) - there is a cymbal sound here which has more intensity than the other sounds. so adding nc at here will emphasize the cymbal sound. (if you apply this, consider removing nc at 00:25:601 (1) - too because it will be too much nc)
00:29:208 - a sound is quite audible here. will be bad if you blank here. consider adding a note here, like 00:41:360 (2) -.
00:33:385 - maybe add a note here, like you did on 00:45:537 (5) -?
00:42:879 (3) - inconsistency nc with 00:30:727 (1) -
00:53:512 (3,4) - blanket please if you care
01:22:373 (1,2,3) - this part has mostly the same rhythm as 01:10:221 (1,2,3) -, but why they are mapped differently? i hope this isn't for variety

Good

[Collab Normal]

with who?
the bg is as the same as top diff but combo colors aren't the same lol
00:18:575 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Avoid chains of more than three objects connected by 1/2 gaps. It might be too consecutive and can make newbie players miss easily. Consider lenient this part to be easier.
00:41:360 to 00:45:917 - good consistency with 00:29:208 to 00:33:765
01:25:411 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Avoid chains of more than three objects connected by 1/2 gaps. It might be too consecutive and can make newbie players miss easily. Consider lenient this part to be easier.

quality mod here. lazy now
gl~ monstrata's is better cuz it gives pp!

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

- Frontier - wrote:
k then
[General]
Unused Hitsounds: soft-hitfinish2.wav, soft-sliderslide3.wav
Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: drum-hitwhistle.wav, normal-hitfinish51.wav
Inconsistent widescreen storyboard:
Listing
Nostalgic Festival: 0
Mirash's Extra: 0
Collab Normal: 1
Shizuku's Extra: 1
Delis' Insane: 1
Trynna's Insane: 1
Advanced: 1
Ataraxia's Easy: 1
Bariton's Insane: 1
Mk's Hard: 1
Mun's Expert: 1

^ All fuxed
Beatmap finishes on different times
Listing
Ataraxia's Easy: 01:31:487 -
Collab Normal: 01:34:525 -
Advanced: 01:34:525 -
Nostalgic Festival: 01:37:563 -
Shizuku's Extra: 01:37:563 -
Delis' Insane: 01:37:563 -
Mirash's Extra: 01:37:563 -
Trynna's Insane: 01:37:563 -
Bariton's Insane: 01:37:563 -
Mk's Hard: 01:37:563 -
Mun's Expert: 01:37:563 -
Inconsistent ending times for Collab Normal and Advanced are acceptable for me, but could you consider making Ataraxia's Easy's ending time as same as normal & advanced? Easy can end earlier on, it's not a big deal
The background's image dimensions of Mun's Expert is 2084x1199 which exceeds the limited dimensions (1920x1200). It's considered to be unrankable. Fit it thank younew rankable size

[Collab Normal]
with who? Just read description of the map, it was there the whole time o.O
the bg is as the same as top diff but combo colors aren't the same lol Fixed
00:18:575 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Avoid chains of more than three objects connected by 1/2 gaps. It might be too consecutive and can make newbie players miss easily. Consider lenient this part to be easier.Emphasis, also even if the gaps are 1/2 between objects, the bigger sliders 00:18:575 (1,3,5,7) - allows a rest time, and this is not the easiest diff on the set, pretty sure it's okay.
00:41:360 to 00:45:917 - good consistency with 00:29:208 to 00:33:765Ataraxia's part
01:25:411 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Avoid chains of more than three objects connected by 1/2 gaps. It might be too consecutive and can make newbie players miss easily. Consider lenient this part to be easier.Same thing mentioned above, it's intense, but it's not something out of the normal diff realm.
quality mod here. lazy now
gl~ monstrata's is better cuz it gives pp!

Can you like not meme about Monstrata here? I get it, he's funny, gj on pp and memeing. This mapset tho is not related to that so pls avoid bringing unrelated stuff to the map in the thread. Thanks mod.

audinor

audinor 8 years ago

getting pp is fun

Bariton

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Bariton 8 years ago

do it

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

- Squishi wrote:
getting pp is fun

To some ppl yes, you're right. A big part of the community is currently focused on maps like that, but it's also known that another part of it wants different stuff,
difficulties that doesn't look the same, that can bring back some older styles too, etc. So yeah, since we have a certain style ranked, this mapset is aimed towards those who want a different gameplay experience and there's nothing wrong with that as a mapset general goal.

Bariton wrote:
do it

Eu queria que BNs aparecessem pra comemorar aniversário de pessoas/personagens de anime pra ver se isso poderia ser rankeado. :^) , assim que eu conseguir mod de BN quem sabe Bariton, até lá, me deseje sorte.

Last edited by Neto 8 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

Kensuke

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Kensuke 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
Can you like not meme about Monstrata here? I get it, he's funny, gj on pp and memeing. This mapset tho is not related to that so pls avoid bringing unrelated stuff to the map in the thread. Thanks mod.

I'm really apologize for it. I don't think it will make a discrepancy here. If what I wrote here makes you angry, then sorry. ;w;

Monstrata

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Monstrata 8 years ago

Nostalgic Festival

00:00:348 (1) - Man, beginning the map at the corner of the screen is really bad for player positioning xP Especially mouse users.
00:13:829 (5,6) - Why is this not a slider :S Considering how you mapped 00:13:069 (3,4) - .
00:16:867 (5,6) - etc..^
00:18:765 (2,1) - This is way too big, and it causes the jump onto 00:19:145 (2,1) - to feel totally unemphasized.
00:20:474 (1,2,1,2) - Same ideas here. Your emphasis is misplaced and you're suddenly emphasizing red ticks. It causes the jump on 00:21:423 (2,1) - to feel unimportant comparativeily cuz of the similar spacing being used earlier.
You're clearly mapping these jumps for aesthetic purposes but theyre hurting playability.
00:24:272 (1,2,3,4,1) - If you rotated thsi 120 degrees it would flow so much better considering the counterclockwise movement you had earlier

~

https://puu.sh/y1DgL.png

00:25:411 - Why isn't this mapped tho lol...

Uhh I really can't agree with how you map this lmao... If you actually plan to make convincing changes to what i mentioned earlier, then you can poke me to mod the rest of the diff.

Mun's Expert

00:06:992 (1,2,3) - Why the sudden change in structure here?
00:11:360 (3,4) - Why stack? :S
00:21:044 (5,6) - Why the huge 1/4 jump here xp
00:25:980 (1,4) - Can you not overlap? lmao
00:35:854 (3,4,5) - This just looks bad cuz its a different visual structure compared to just an object before. Two competing grid structures end up causing structural inconsistenties
00:47:626 (2,3,4) - Why are they so close together they touch like that xd. your cs is high enough xd
00:49:525 (3,1) - Looks off visually xP make more symmetrical or something.

Shizuku's Extra

00:10:791 (1,1) - Stacks
00:25:411 - Don't understand why you dont map this. But i can understand every other part. it's just here theres also the insturment

This is great. This is how you should map a gimmick honestly. There are overlapping/stacking/hard to read patterns but they are really well integrated. you have a baseline that is "normal" mapping so when you switch to sections that are different, they feel unique and special. Good job!

Mirash's Extra

00:05:664 (2) - Why is this clickable and not the tail.
00:06:993 (3) - Why does this have 3 repeats? Its different from earlier by a lot..
00:17:721 (1) - How about just a triplet... this is just going to mess ppl up tbh lol.
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - Why do there need to be doublets here xd.
00:25:031 (1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Playability suffers a lot just for the sake of emphasizing the map differently, and you end up not accounting for a lot of strong notes like 00:25:980 (3) - .
00:30:158 (1,2,1,1,2) - Is it necessary to make these cross screen in an otherwise calm section. Just feels really forced.
01:07:183 - 01:13:829 - Just why...

Trynna's Insane

00:15:537 (1,2,3) - 2>3 more emphasis and 1>2 less of a jump.
00:57:689 (6) - Quite hard to read since its in the middle of a spaced triplet. Can you do something diferent here?
01:00:348 (5,6) - No need to deviate from the pattern here follow 1/2 and 3/4's spacing.
01:03:955 - Why not map the vocal? 01:01:677 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - these were all following vocals (and percussion) so not mapping vocal will sound really off even if you weren't intending to map vocals.
01:15:348 (3,4,5) - Visually this just looks rather off.

Delis

00:32:816 (7) - This could use a bit more emphasis imo
00:34:335 (2,3) - Why did this have to be stacked tho xd
00:50:094 (3) - Move this to somewhere like 398||277? Gives it more emphasis and fits the slider-break movement better i think. Also 4 can use a bigger jump imo

~

01:08:512 (4,1) - Why isn't this Ctrl+G"ed compare ur rhythm to 01:11:550 (4,5) - considering the vocals. 01:14:588 (4) -01:20:664 (4,5,6) - etccc ..

Bariton's Insane

00:06:993 (3,1,2) - Why isn't this mapped with repeats too?
00:13:639 (4,5) - Why is this a stack? Shouldn't you do a jump for the violin since you emphasize it with a jump other places ?00:13:069 (3) - 00:16:107 (2) -00:16:866 (1) - .
00:18:006 (5) - The violin is suddenly mapped to a slider-end xP when you were mappign it to jumps for the 3 places i mentioned earlier
00:26:740 (3) - I would recommend removing the repeat and mapping something on 00:27:310 - .
00:35:854 (2,3) - Why is this stacked tho, theres a snare xP. 00:31:487 (3,4) - This is different from here?

[]

You guys are trying too hard to be creative, but there is no baseline "standard mapping" to deviate from though. The issue with making everything creative is, if there is nothing to deviate from, it doesn't come across as unique or special, just different. Look at Shizuku's approach if you want a good idea of how to properly implement creative elements.

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,298 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Nostalgic Festival

00:00:348 (1) - Man, beginning the map at the corner of the screen is really bad for player positioning xP Especially mouse users.

Uhh I really can't agree with how you map this lmao... If you actually plan to make convincing changes to what i mentioned earlier, then you can poke me to mod the rest of the diff.

You guys are trying too hard to be creative, but there is no baseline "standard mapping" to deviate from though. The issue with making everything creative is, if there is nothing to deviate from, it doesn't come across as unique or special, just different.

I need sometime before replying this. It's so ilogic that I need to have a good rest before having enough patience for this...

Delis

1,442 posts

Joined May 2012

Delis 8 years ago

Hola!

for this map I was mapping it to be someone's style that I really liked and so changing in the way that you suggested might break the concept but fixed all anyway so u all should chill out.

Gracias

https://delisha.s-ul.eu/CGhGQ9Sm

melloe

275 posts

Joined February 2013

melloe 8 years ago

obviously the first thing he said about beginning a map in the corner is silly (mouse players can just restart and reposition, and honestly the corner is not that hard to reach in any situation, unless it's from another corner or if your area/dpi sucks), but if you can just get over that part then you'll see that he make a valid point

the jumps and distance spacing really make no sense with the music. the jumps are bizarrely emphasized and everything is sacrificed for the sake of a rigid gimmicky aesthetic principle. plus the map doesn't really have an identity, it seems to just be a large salad of visual ideas, and none of these ideas really have any relation to each other. which is what he means by saying "trying too hard to be creative." (that, and the song is as simple as they come, it really feels kind of unnatural to inject such a bounty of complex visual ideas into it, but that's more subjective)

im really not trying to rain on your parade, just offering my opinion

Bariton

306 posts

Joined October 2012

Bariton 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Bariton's Insane

00:06:993 (3,1,2) - Why isn't this mapped with repeats too? the rhythm changes
00:13:639 (4,5) - Why is this a stack? Shouldn't you do a jump for the violin since you emphasize it with a jump other places ?00:13:069 (3) - 00:16:107 (2) -00:16:866 (1) - . fixed
00:18:006 (5) - The violin is suddenly mapped to a slider-end xP when you were mappign it to jumps for the 3 places i mentioned earlier fixed
00:26:740 (3) - I would recommend removing the repeat and mapping something on 00:27:310 - . but there's no strong sound in 00:27:310
00:35:854 (2,3) - Why is this stacked tho, theres a snare xP. 00:31:487 (3,4) - This is different from here? fixed
.

thanks!!

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Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,298 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
I need sometime before replying this. It's so ilogic that I need to have a good rest before having enough patience for this...

I'll probably apply 3 or 4 points mentioned about placement and emphasis, but rhythm suggestions I'm not really willing to change since I'm pretty confident with the circle rhythm adopted in the map and the sudden gaps to twist it.

I appreciate that you guys are trying to defend it, but sadly that way of doing is fun but not very polite, after all if a person is being rude and making jokes towards you, the reply shouldn't be of the same nature (even if he deserves that).

Thanks

Monstrata wrote:
Also I bookmarked this thread in case it ever gets bubbled ^^. Better let Net0 reply instead of trying to criticize my mod. I'm too good of a modder to care if the entire BR community doesn't agree, it just means your entire community is wrong.

#gangsta
#despacito

p.s: So you're gonna veto the map now for no reason?

Monstrata wrote:
You can't veto a map without hearing the other person's side first. What if they fix everything you considered an issue? Don't make this a repeat of Alien... A veto happens when you and the mapper are unable to agree on something.

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,652 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
Net0 wrote:
I need sometime before replying this. It's so ilogic that I need to have a good rest before having enough patience for this...
I'll probably apply 3 or 4 points mentioned about placement and emphasis, but rhythm suggestions I'm not really willing to change since I'm pretty confident with the circle rhythm adopted in the map and the sudden gaps to twist it.

I appreciate that you guys are trying to defend it, but sadly that way of doing is fun but not very polite, after all if a person is being rude and making jokes towards you, the reply shouldn't be of the same nature (even if he deserves that).

Thanks

Monstrata wrote:
Also I bookmarked this thread in case it ever gets bubbled ^^. Better let Net0 reply instead of trying to criticize my mod. I'm too good of a modder to care if the entire BR community doesn't agree, it just means your entire community is wrong.

#gangsta
#despacito
p.s: So you're gonna veto the map now for no reason?

Monstrata wrote:
You can't veto a map without hearing the other person's side first. What if they fix everything you considered an issue? Don't make this a repeat of Alien... A veto happens when you and the mapper are unable to agree on something.

I probably won't veto. I've only had to veto what, one map ever? But I will like to read the opinions of BN's who support this map and at least discuss it a bit further before potential nominations, if I have the time. (Operate under the assumption I won't come back). If you find someone who genuinely supports this set, I won't try and stop you. There are some good diffs, Shizuku's especially.

Bariton

306 posts

Joined October 2012

Bariton 8 years ago

feel free to delete my diff if it's gonna be a drag to the set

Genjuro

657 posts

Joined August 2013

Genjuro 8 years ago

cool map and awesome song! ;D!

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 8 years ago

@Monstrata 00:15:537 (1,2) - nerfed the jump a bit. about more emphasis on 00:15:917 (2,3) -, as it's forcing a different movement from 00:15:537 (1,2) - i think it's pretty cool, as it's not that strong sound
01:00:348 (5,6) - I don't really get what you meant with 3/4 spacing at all but as this diff tries to say that stacked objects can be read as stacks without many trouble, the thing is no matter the spacing at all, and also it's pretty clear the pattern about making the spacing larger on 00:59:588 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -

rest fixed without many trouble i guess ??
thank

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Ephemeral

Inland Empire

3,957 posts

Joined April 2009

Ephemeral 8 years ago

Can we not provoke people needlessly and also not post shitty misappropriated memes? That'd be great, thanks.

Mirash

Nomination Assessment Team

707 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 8 years ago

00:05:664 (2) - i just don't like the feeling of two objects being clickable in a row in that case
00:06:993 (3) - i feel like it works well for introduction to the next part
00:17:721 (1) - it plays just like a doublet and average player of such diffs will play it just fine i think
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - they fit in bell sounds and red ticks are highlighted better this way
00:25:031 (1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) - if you listen to that two circles at right side they are mapped to a strong drums that are also at the right side, and the rest is just 1-2-3 pattern that i think fits nicely without emphasizing every strong beats
00:30:158 (1,2,1,1,2) - well, kinda agree at this point, reduced spacings
01:07:183 - 01:13:829 - just why... what?

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Doguu

114 posts

Joined September 2014

Doguu 8 years ago

I literally uploaded a map a couple days ago where I tried to make a corner note feel appropriate even when in the beginning/at rest points where cursor should be in a neutral rest position in the middle of the screen by making the slider body go outward or in a direction that compliments the flow of jolting from the center of the screen to the corner. No I don't think it's an unrankable issue but yes I do feel it's a valid point to bring up in a mod. It just seems like an instant retry for first time plays. There was little harm to it being brought up because the point of the mod was to give ideas to improve the map. This is just an idea... Calm down ya memes xd lel :p crucify me.

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,298 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Nostalgic Festival

00:00:348 (1) - Man, beginning the map at the corner of the screen is really bad for player positioning xP Especially mouse users.
There are 3 cases which I think you can analyse the placement of the first object of the map;
1- It's irrelevant when the mapper is doing his map on free-hand style. This means that if you're a mapper that doesn't go for patterning but rather free placement with aesthetical spacing complementation that just moves around the screen as the map goes, taking the first object into analysis is just useless
2- You're actually modding the spacing of the starting pattern, in which case, you don't mention the first object, but rather you mod the pattern itself 00:00:348 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - and mention whatever it is you need to about spacing/flow/visual etc
3- You actually took into account that it's a relevant aspect when the mapper is making a playfield concept map, which is the case here. This map uses a lot of specific spots on the playfield for specific sound trasitions which is the aspect I hoped ppl would mod and suggest stuff to improve it. But since it's too subtle I guess it's just one of those things ppl may never notice (after all you need to make stuff retarded nowadays to people notice stuff in a map since everything is exaggerated when ppl think of concepts).
So yeah the reason it's placed there is because it's the starting point of the map and also the ending point of the map 01:37:563 (1) - something you could never noticed since you modded just 30 seconds of the diff , there's also the fact that whenever I wasn't on kiai, the emphasized stuff (combo 1) most of the time is placed above on the playfield, compared to the objects that follows it.
00:13:829 (5,6) - Why is this not a slider :S Considering how you mapped 00:13:069 (3,4) - . I did to avoid repetition, but you want more consistency, so I made it slider, FIXED
00:16:867 (5,6) - etc..^^
00:18:765 (2,1) - This is way too big, and it causes the jump onto 00:19:145 (2,1) - to feel totally unemphasized. Because it was intended that way. This entire pattern is made in groups 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - /00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - /00:20:094 (1,2,1,2) - /00:20:854 (1,2,1,2) - /00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - that's my interpretation for the song there. The first group is more importantly mapped compared to the second one.
00:20:474 (1,2,1,2) - Same ideas here. Your emphasis is misplaced and you're suddenly emphasizing red ticks. It causes the jump on 00:21:423 (2,1) - to feel unimportant comparativeily cuz of the similar spacing being used earlier.I re-worked the spacing here to avoid making 2-1 transitions bigger to the consecutive 1-2
You're clearly mapping these jumps for aesthetic purposes but theyre hurting playability.Playability is fine, not using unplayable stuff here, just unsual wide angles.
00:24:272 (1,2,3,4,1) - If you rotated thsi 120 degrees it would flow so much better considering the counterclockwise movement you had earlier
~
https://puu.sh/y1DgL.png
It would, but that also would make the transition to the stream fall flat with confortable flow, you see, I'm doing a contrast there; the angles here 00:23:322 (2,3,4,5,6) - are all linear 120º but the stream moviment is sudden sharpenedto 60º 00:24:082 (6,1) - This makes it difficult while still keeping it spacing wise coherent
00:25:411 - Why isn't this mapped tho lol... It's a piano sound with no percussion; Also there's a rhythm construction here; 00:24:651 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - first you have the gap idea that should come up with all groups 00:24:651 (1,2) - /00:25:220 (3,4) - /00:25:980 (1,2) - /00:26:740 (1,2) - second, you have an increasing singletap objects groupíng from 2 00:25:031 (2,3) - to 3 00:25:601 (4,5,1,2,3,1) - to 400:27:120 (2,3,4,1) - which helps building up a bit more of tension in this section

Uhh I really can't agree with how you map this lmao... I feel that way about a lot of maps out there, but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.
If you actually plan to make convincing changes to what i mentioned earlier, then you can poke me to mod the rest of the diff.Whatever issues you may point that will improve the map inside its concepts I'll change it just like I did with this mod ^^, so feel free to point more stuff.

You guys are trying too hard to be creative, but there is no baseline "standard mapping" to deviate from though. The issue with making everything creative is, if there is nothing to deviate from, it doesn't come across as unique or special, just different. Look at Shizuku's approach if you want a good idea of how to properly implement creative elements.
It's creative as much as it is different. I'd say that going for a different mapping might not be creative inside your own idea Monstrata, but being different is something that this mapset is REALLY going for and something that ranked category is missing currently.

Do you know WHY you liked Shizuku- diff more?
It wasn't because of the contrast between "regular" and "irregular" sections, it's because the map itself was made with the current mapping visual/spacing standards and you could recognize your mapping there.
looking at this visual is painful for most of the current mapping/modding community
Compared to this for example
But you guys need to understand that this fact is not objectivelly "one is better compared to the other" is just preference. I don't like current visuals and so I map for the people who also don't like the current standards.

Also every single modder had its own "personal favorite" among the diffs, and that only proves how well this mapset result is because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE INSANE DIFFS is different compared to each other, and that's how it is supposed to be.

Mirash/Delis visual is kinda similar, however delis design is more classy and oriented into Shinxyn while Mirash follows his own mapping based on overmapped rhythms/90º flow similar to a few 2012 maps. Trynna makes everything flow linear like an insane diff, but adds some cool stuff to make it more interesting such as the double pattern visual idea 00:00:917 (3,4) - that's used in a lot of different ways in different song sections to keep the player attention while also introducing 1/2 spacing concepts similar to Delis and Mirash 00:23:322 (1,2,3,4,5) - . Bariton is a big fan of imoutosan's idea of overlapping sliders and his overall mapping is based on that while keeping the star rating low so that even new players can enjoy something a bit different. Shizuku- and Mun have a more contemporary aesthetic idea in their maps. Shizuku-'s goes for a traditional modern map but adding a reading element with stacks in it, while Mun pretty much uses a techical mapping structure whenever it's possible and the song supports it.

So yeah I don't think we're tryharding or forcing stuff in a degree that ISN'T already stablished as rankable. You see, the problem with ranking Delta Decision, Taki and Mitsuha extras, Alien and a lot of your maps is that now ,for isonomic reasons, other people can overdo stuff in an extreme way too if they have their reasoning. (if ranking process is not treated as a privilege ofc).

Now for the ppl who are saying "overreact and etc"

the problem here is that Monstrata already joked about this map and so his friends did too;

2017-09-16 01:58 Net0: omg are you really mapping that too?!
2017-09-16 02:05 Monstrata: yes!!
2017-09-16 02:06 Monstrata: do you want me to gd for you?
2017-09-16 02:06 Monstrata: ill just upload for now you're free to take it im not going to make a full set ^^
2017-09-16 02:06 Net0: well sure
2017-09-16 02:06 Net0: Where did you took the mp3?
2017-09-16 02:06 Net0: offset and stuff
2017-09-16 02:08 Monstrata: stole from ur set so it should be fine
2017-09-16 02:08 Net0: oh it's rainbows
2017-09-16 02:08 Net0: damn for a second I honestly thought it was serious
2017-09-16 02:08 Net0: you got me
2017-09-16 02:09 Net0: kinda interesting tho, even fullscreen for the entire song it can only goes as far as 7*
2017-09-16 02:14 Monstrata: lol yea
2017-09-16 02:14 Net0: rhythm op
2017-09-16 02:44 Net0: I'm kinda curious tho, why did you have my set in the first place?
2017-09-16 02:52 Monstrata: was just like "lol another natsukoi hanabi pp farm map"
2017-09-16 02:52 Monstrata: might as well make another :D
2017-09-16 02:52 Net0: hmm
2017-09-16 02:53 Net0: well it isn't :/
2017-09-16 02:54 Net0: but yeah funny meme

https://puu.sh/y27jV.mp3

So I suppose people memeing on the opposite side is just human nature. Everyone is on the wrong side in this entire situation.

So from now on, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MEME/JOKING/MAKING PHILOSOPHICAL DIGRESSIONS ABOUT LIFE/CALLING PEOPLE "BOLUDITOS", etc and just say whatever you want about the map. Say that you liked it, say that's it's hellish garbage, but keep it ABOUT the map.

Only Mun and Shizuku- missing update, thanks mod.

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,964 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
while Mirash follows his own mapping based on overmapped rhythms

Net0 wrote:
So yeah I don't think we're tryharding or forcing stuff in a degree that ISN'T already stablished as rankable.

please choose only one of these conflicting arguments

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 8 years ago

I don't like what Mirash did, but gross overmapping has repeatedly been established as rankable

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,652 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 8 years ago

You're welcome to disagree. Maps that try to push the boundaries / go against the norms of the meta typically take a lot more effort to rank, but you're well aware of that.

My issue with many difficulties in this mapset is that you've executed these gimmicky and "creative" elements with no relation to anything standard or "normal" so there is no juxtaposition that allows these creative elements to shine. On their own, the patterns could be pretty cool, but there is no substance to them currently. It's unfortunately, because many of the mappers in this set seem to know their way around the editor. But you guys are using too many different concepts and not tying them in. There are a lot of "oh this is cool" moments that turn into "wait why is it like this now?" two seconds after because you shift to a different pattern, or a different approach. This set to me, showcases mappers with good potential who are biting off more than they can chew by trying to introduce and set up too many creative components.

If you want to improve your map, ask yourself why you've deviated from the "expected/standard" way of mapping for a particular element or pattern. If your answer is something along the lines of "i want to make it different" then reconsider your reasoning. If your answer is "I want to highlight X" (X being a particular instrument, the pitch, the rhythm, the emphasis, etc...) then keep.

But then ask yourself "If i want to highlight X using method Y, do I really need to highlight X using method Z, A, B, C, D, E, F as well?" (Methods being "flow break, spacing changes, linear flow, overlaps, stacks etc....)" And hopefully your answer will be "No", or in rare cases"Yes, but only because method Y and Z relate very well to each other."

Hope you understand my position better now. I've come to understand your perspective better, so I'm not as afraid to put a veto. But I probably won't unless you find some random BN to yolo bubble this.

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 8 years ago

Honestly I have to say monstrata really has it down. That was a very well-articulated explanation of something I really can't disagree with.

Mirash

Nomination Assessment Team

707 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 8 years ago

i see nothing creative in my difficulty, and i was not trying to achieve something like this
the ideas i use here is all basic, and, for what i could tell, been in use from many years ago, like 2010-11
and yeah overmapping to highlight and keep tension in music is what i like to do

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 8 years ago

i'm sorry if my diff feels messy to you though, i'm open for criticism if you want to point something else out

igorsprite

623 posts

Joined September 2015

igorsprite 8 years ago

Essa discussão foi tão desnecessária quanto o mod do Monstrata :/

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,298 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
You're welcome to disagree. Maps that try to push the boundaries / go against the norms of the meta typically take a lot more effort to rank, but you're well aware of that.Yeah, even tho I don’t think there’s anything THAT spectacular NEW with any diff, sure I can’t rank this to celebrate anyones birthday.

My issue with many difficulties in this mapset is that you've executed these gimmicky and "creative" elements with no relation to anything standard or "normal" so there is no juxtaposition that allows these creative elements to shine. Because you’re going for a specific definition of “normal” mapping. You see, if I compare in a DJPop maps parts that are supposed to shine and parts that are not supposed do shine, I need to evaluate it differently if I were to mod one of your regular maps beucase the core used to structure the map is entirely different. Let me show you;
If a map is made on grid snap 1, fully DSed. The analisys of a part that is supposed to shine and parts that are not can’t be done with spacing concept. If visuals are also an element that’s null because of slider design limitation, the evaluation there should be on flow element, and that’s pretty straight forward if you compare how both of this plays;
https://puu.sh/y29Gk.jpg / https://puu.sh/y29Ia.jpg is pretty obvious on what is being more emphasized compared to the other one.
And that applies to any map that has an intensity component added to its composition;
In your maps for example, you have the same visual/flow in the entire map, so the only element that can be took into analysis as for the shine/non-shine thing is spacing;
Non-kiai
http://puu.sh/y29N7.jpg /
Kiai
https://puu.sh/y29RT.jpg
And that can be took into account in any map of any level of difficulty. HOWEVER you’re generically pointing that the diffs don’t have that contrast but you never mentioned that IN THE MOD itself.

On their own, the patterns could be pretty cool, but there is no substance to them currently. It's unfortunately, because many of the mappers in this set seem to know their way around the editor. But you guys are using too many different concepts and not tying them in. There are a lot of "oh this is cool" moments that turn into "wait why is it like this now?" two seconds after because you shift to a different pattern, or a different approach. This set to me, showcases mappers with good potential who are biting off more than they can chew by trying to introduce and set up too many creative components. This entire paragraph is just rethoric argumentation. “On their own, the patterns could be pretty cool, but there is no substance to them currently.” Saying there’s no substance means nothing. It’s just personal criticism, it’s just like a line a movie critic would say about a specific acting of a person in a movie for example.
“But you guys are using too many different concepts and not tying them in.” really? So you think that Mirash map suddenly becomes another map midway? If that was the case would be really simple to point that out; “Yo Mirash your map up until the second verse is one thing, when you start mapping the bridge of the song and chorus you’re totally using different stuff” Another element is that EACH diff is different. So each diff has its own concepts to be “tying them in.. Shizuku- with the reading/stack aspect, Mirash diff with flow, Bariton diff with its overlap visual, etc. And AGAIN, you didn’t mentioned in the mod where it was off, when any of the diffs just didn’t implement something accordingly.

If you want to improve your map, ask yourself why you've deviated from the "expected/standard" way of mapping for a particular element or pattern. If your answer is something along the lines of "i want to make it different" then reconsider your reasoning. If your answer is "I want to highlight X" (X being a particular instrument, the pitch, the rhythm, the emphasis, etc...) then keep. You’re assuming now that we don’t know what we’re doing because you QUICKLLY checked the diffs and couldn’t grasp it, so now it’s our fault? Even tho we did mapped accordingly to what you’re saying? Quick example
Mirash diff; 00:20:854 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) – why would you map this with straight lines and on the next section 00:23:322 (1,2,3,4,5) – make a square?! Oh that’s because the map uses a straight visual, and to make distinction of the two different measures 00:21:993 - ~ 00:22:942 - / 00:23:322 - ~ 00:24:272 -. Spacing and flow changed accordingly, also avoid the linear repetition with the song change, there’s a symmetrical patterning build here 00:24:272 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1) – instead of the previous free-hand design, etc, etc.
If a modder doesn’t understand a certain idea in the map, he should ASK about it. Not assume the mapper doesn’t know what he’s doing.
But then ask yourself "If i want to highlight X using method Y, do I really need to highlight X using method Z, A, B, C, D, E, F as well?" (Methods being "flow break, spacing changes, linear flow, overlaps, stacks etc....)" And hopefully your answer will be "No", or in rare cases"Yes, but only because method Y and Z relate very well to each other."
Again you didn’t ask yourself that when you modded my diff for example; you modded this section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) – and all you could see was the visual element of it to justify its existence, but failed to notice the fact that every single object 00:18:575 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) – is upwards compared to 00:18:765 (2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2) – and also failed to question yourself WHY only 00:21:044 (2) – and 00:22:942 (1) – are the exception of that rule. That also applies to other concepts such as spacing, why is this group 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) – contrast between spacing on 1-2 vs 2-1 difference bigger compared to 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - , or flow , why does this part flows linear 00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) – instead of angular like the previous 1-2. So yeah, I map using everything you’re saying.
Hope you understand my position better now. I watched the vod of you modding this map, I heard “Please don’t tell me this is bubbled”, I can already understand your position pretty clearly. But what I really think that comes up with all of this is how unwilling you were to mod the map in the first place. If you really didn’t want to mod this I gave you other options, also, you could just say “Hey I don’t like any of the songs you have currently, do you mind if I own you a mod on something else in the future?” . Because honestly, anything is better compared to a mod made with bad faith.
I've come to understand your perspective better, so I'm not as afraid to put a veto. But I probably won't unless you find some random BN to yolo bubble this. “Random BN”so you find the memes towards you offensive, but saying that there are BNs who are random and BNs who are not random is not offensive when EVERY single BN is an important part of the BNG is not offensive…

Last edited by Neto 8 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,652 posts

Joined May 2013

Monstrata 8 years ago

Best of luck ranking this map ^^.

Mun

469 posts

Joined July 2015

Mun 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Mun's Expert

00:06:992 (1,2,3) - Why the sudden change in structure here? I don't see much of a change in structure here at all, aside from that which the music merits as it transitions into the next section.
00:11:360 (3,4) - Why stack? :S that would be because i am bad
00:21:044 (5,6) - Why the huge 1/4 jump here xp see above
00:25:980 (1,4) - Can you not overlap? lmao u got it
00:35:854 (3,4,5) - This just looks bad cuz its a different visual structure compared to just an object before. Two competing grid structures end up causing structural inconsistenties Thanks for the input! I'd like more feedback on whether the change is acceptable if possible, though
00:47:626 (2,3,4) - Why are they so close together they touch like that xd. your cs is high enough xd unclosened
00:49:525 (3,1) - Looks off visually xP make more symmetrical or something. symmetricized

lol xd lol

You guys are trying too hard to be creative, but there is no baseline "standard mapping" to deviate from though. The issue with making everything creative is, if there is nothing to deviate from, it doesn't come across as unique or special, just different. Look at Shizuku's approach if you want a good idea of how to properly implement creative elements.

This was the most helpful mod that this mapset has received to date. Thank you!

xd

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VINXIS

Featured Artist

3,161 posts

Joined April 2014

VINXIS 8 years ago

meh monstrata isnt wrong in the mod

i think most of the mappers' efforts in this set r trying to be 2 creative which led them to obscure the image of their own map

Hobbes2

osu! Alumni

2,251 posts

Joined March 2016

Hobbes2 8 years ago

@mun

small point but have you considered moving all of 00:25:980 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - to the right a bit, lets you space out 00:27:120 (5) - which would help make it look not so different from the other 1/4 gaps (something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9352907)

01:01:107 (1,2,3) - I also think this is a bit overspaced in context with the rest of the map, its part of the transition so i dont think it needs this big emphasis

@mirash

00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - these doubles make no sense to me at all, i cant hear what they're supposed be following. if its an overmap...im not really understanding that either

Last edited by Hobbes2 8 years ago, edited 1 time in total.

Xexxar

913 posts

Joined June 2013

Xexxar 8 years ago

top diff:

00:25:411 - ... why did you ignore this beat? i cannot fathom a reason for why this is ignored. Can you explain this?

(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)

chainpullz

2,335 posts

Joined June 2013

chainpullz 8 years ago

I too was there for Monstrata's stream and while he may not have gone start to finish on every diff, there are like a dozens diffs on this set so it still ended up costing an hour of his time to go over what he did.

I'm usually a fan of edgy mapping (hanzer x irre eastbound & down is one of my favorites) but when the tone of the song itself is the exact opposite of edgy it has the same cringe feeling as a bunch of middle schoolers trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.

This is just a first impression (opinion) from seeing the maps on his stream so take it as you will (though I do hope you at least take a moment to ask yourself why it had to be this song that you mapped like this).

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 8 years ago

Imho I see you as quite an inexperienced mapper (dw I suck too) and whenever someone critisizes one of your maps, or just don't agree with certain aspects, you get really defensive and start bringing up loads of other maps in retaliation, and that doesn't really help much. I think if you were to truly take a step back with some humility, try out a few things other modders have brought up, you'd go a long way, not just improving your individual maps but also improving as a mapper as well

SnowNiNo_

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

2,108 posts

Joined April 2013

SnowNiNo_ 8 years ago

why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:

juankristal

osu! Alumni

1,408 posts

Joined August 2010

juankristal 8 years ago

do i really have to read all of this stuff...

EDIT: Alright so, cleaned the thread a bit. Please no more memes here.

Don't make a drama out of something that didn't really look like it in the first place really. People can make arguments but at the end they are helping improving maps by modding. Both sides should just be more clear with their suggestions and answers alongisde memeing a lot less.

Joe Castle

802 posts

Joined September 2014

Joe Castle 8 years ago

its sad that half of you guys cant stand a meme about monstrata´s mod...

but at the same time the other half cant stand a silly opinion about how the map starts

/4D_chess_starts

0034192

6 posts

Joined September 2015

0034192 8 years ago

lmao what the fuck is going on here

pregnant_man

2,494 posts

Joined August 2012

pregnant_man 8 years ago

SnowNiNo_ wrote:
why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:

Because mapping basic stuff is boring and not original

Ayesha Altugle

3,091 posts

Joined October 2011

Ayesha Altugle 8 years ago

Monstrata wrote:
Shizuku's Extra

00:10:791 (1,1) - Stacks Whoops, no one saw that one
00:25:411 - Don't understand why you dont map this. But i can understand every other part. it's just here theres also the insturment didn't feel the need to add a note since I mostly follow the percussion instruments

This is great. This is how you should map a gimmick honestly. There are overlapping/stacking/hard to read patterns but they are really well integrated. you have a baseline that is "normal" mapping so when you switch to sections that are different, they feel unique and special. Good job! Coming from you, it's a really nice thing to say. Considering for the past 2 years, you hated my mapping style since it didn't make sense at all. It's good to see that comment from you because that's when I know that I improved on mapping, even though it took so long to do so.

Thanks for modding!

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Mirash

Nomination Assessment Team

707 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 8 years ago

@Hobbes2 if you listen closely, sounds in music start at 00:21:423 (1) - and end on 00:21:803 (4) - while it could be a stream because of strong tomb, i find the way doublets represent that sounds more appropriate here, if i'm not a total retard. i might change it though, if someone actually will convince me with something more than WHYWHYWHYitIsOvermap
also got very tilted because of discussions i've seen, thanks

Linada

995 posts

Joined November 2014

Linada 8 years ago

Mirash wrote:
@Hobbes2 if you listen closely, sounds in music start at 00:21:423 (1) - and end on 00:21:803 (4) - while it could be a stream because of strong tomb, i find the way doublets represent that sounds more appropriate here, if i'm not a total retard. i might change it though, if someone actually will convince me with something more than WHYWHYWHYitIsOvermap
also got very tilted because of discussions i've seen, thanks

tbh i really can't understand doubles here too, even if i listen closely i don't get it. moving 3 at the white tick would make much more sense to me

also

01:16:297 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - i knew overmap with sliderend were allowed but this stream is completely out of place
01:24:461 (7,1) - also here ?? but you ignore the existing 1/4s to completely overmap inexisting sounds ?
01:25:411 (5) - nc pls

Net0 wrote:
while Mirash follows his own mapping based on overmapped rhythms

when did this become a thing ? thoses streams emphasize or express nothing in the song, i don't get it, why is this even a thing

also ppl here getting triggered easily, don't take this offensively, i'm out already do what you want

@Shizuku rly nice diff

Delis

1,442 posts

Joined May 2012

Delis 8 years ago

I've never been mapping just to make every circle sense btw maybe not a good thing to tell someone what to do by your words >u<

p.s. my post with the fixed .osu is deleted holy shit

Sotarks

3,552 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 8 years ago

Jounzan wrote:
SnowNiNo_ wrote:
why do ppl try to map gimmicks
when the song isnt gimmicky at all
:thinking:
Because mapping basic stuff is boring and not original

Agree with Nino here..
If you guys really want to be original just make original maps on original songs. But this is just my opinion tho.

I remember modded this and yeah shizuku reflected this song really well with his mapping. The rest is good but like trying too hard to be creative ends up random gimmicks and doesn't fit.

Anyway good luck with this

Akitoshi

2,687 posts

Joined August 2014

Akitoshi 8 years ago

Delis wrote:
>u<

pregnant_man

2,494 posts

Joined August 2012

pregnant_man 8 years ago

I mean this thread is lol. Would it work as a something worth discussion if i come to a random map thread and say something like "this map is too generic and it doesnt fits the song"? Can you quit this nonsence, and instead point everyhing you find unfittig by examples, because saying u pepel try two hard to be creative and song doesnt support it is straight retarded in case why on earth you think people will agree with your opinions when obviously liking other kind of stuff than you do lol im mad

juankristal

osu! Alumni

1,408 posts

Joined August 2010

juankristal 8 years ago

Delis wrote:
I've never been mapping just to make every circle sense btw maybe not a good thing to tell someone what to do by your words >u<

p.s. my post with the fixed .osu is deleted holy shit

That was my bad! Restored.

AshbeII

88 posts

Joined October 2015

AshbeII 8 years ago

--nostalgic diff

00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - xd

this basically has 0 sense and doesn't hint at anything coming into the map, the song doesn't even change here so I assume you had a missclick and moved the circles a little bit too far so maybe fix?

you emphasize 00:32:056 (1) with distance - but not 00:31:297 (1) - or 00:32:816 (1) - or 00:33:765 (1) -

00:42:879 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:45:917 (1) - ^

00:36:803 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this feels honestly so weird to play and hear , why not map only voice or instrumentals ? ;f this is just an opinion tho

not sure what happend to the map past 1 minute

xd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-naduAbrBnc

Net0 wrote:
but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.

...right no wonder mapping meta sucks nice mentality you got there

this is on the maps front page btw

Neto

Beatmap Nominator

1,298 posts

Joined October 2014

Topic Starter

Neto 8 years ago

VINXIS wrote:
meh monstrata isnt wrong in the mod

i think most of the mappers' efforts in this set r trying to be 2 creative which led them to obscure the image of their own map

chainpullz wrote:
I too was there for Monstrata's stream and while he may not have gone start to finish on every diff, there are like a dozens diffs on this set so it still ended up costing an hour of his time to go over what he did.

I'm usually a fan of edgy mapping (hanzer x irre eastbound & down is one of my favorites) but when the tone of the song itself is the exact opposite of edgy it has the same cringe feeling as a bunch of middle schoolers trying to be edgy for the sake of being edgy.

This is just a first impression (opinion) from seeing the maps on his stream so take it as you will (though I do hope you at least take a moment to ask yourself why it had to be this song that you mapped like this).

Kisses wrote:
Imho I see you as quite an inexperienced mapper (dw I suck too) and whenever someone critisizes one of your maps, or just don't agree with certain aspects, you get really defensive and start bringing up loads of other maps in retaliation, and that doesn't really help much. I think if you were to truly take a step back with some humility, try out a few things other modders have brought up, you'd go a long way, not just improving your individual maps but also improving as a mapper as well

You guys do know that any personal comments about me as a mapper are totally irrelevant right? You can think whatever you want, as long as you're not discussing the map itself, I don't care. So in case you case you want to comment anything about any diff, that's what you should do. Like Linada doesn't agree with a specific concept used in one of the diffs, that's how you make you point. Not generically saying "yo you're not hanzer!", "you're inexperienced", "you can't map this song in x-y way of mapping, this song can only be done with z mapping, etc" this are not valid points because you're just pointing out your own personal perspectives about mapping itself or me as a mapper rather than discussing the mapset, which is the goal of this thread.

Sotarks wrote:
If you guys really want to be original just make original maps on original songs. But this is just my opinion tho.

1- The reason all of you prefer Shizuku-'s diff I already explained before in the reply of Monstrata (which seems that he would rather just ignore) But I'll explain again even tho I might sound too pretentious.

ANY song can be mapped in multiple different ways, and that's something most ppl should realize long ago. Do you want examples? Okay I'll drop a few maps of the same song that ARE mapped in completelly and entirelly different ways;
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/376552 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/440068
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/55925 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/55115
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/479470 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/12327
And recently my favorite example of that contrast
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/16440 / https://osu.ppy.sh/s/618290

All of this maps with you take into account what elements were made differently, which concepts were adopted and which weren't will show that it's up to the mapper how they want to design their maps, and the variety of the insane diffs here only show how that is true, even for a song like Natsukoi Hanabi that tradicionally is considered pp.

Jounzan wrote:
I mean this thread is lol. Would it work as a something worth discussion if i come to a random map thread and say something like "this map is too generic and it doesnt fits the song"? Can you quit this nonsence, and instead point everyhing you find unfittig by examples, because saying u pepel try two hard to be creative and song doesnt support it is straight retarded in case why on earth you think people will agree with your opinions when obviously liking other kind of stuff than you do lol im mad

This summons up my point.

[/b]

Xexxar wrote:
top diff:

00:25:411 - ... why did you ignore this beat? i cannot fathom a reason for why this is ignored. Can you explain this?

Net0 wrote:
00:25:411 - Why isn't this mapped tho lol... It's a piano sound with no percussion; Also there's a rhythm construction here; 00:24:651 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - first you have the gap idea that should come up with all groups 00:24:651 (1,2) - /00:25:220 (3,4) - /00:25:980 (1,2) - /00:26:740 (1,2) - second, you have an increasing singletap objects groupíng from 2 00:25:031 (2,3) - to 3 00:25:601 (4,5,1,2,3,1) - to 400:27:120 (2,3,4,1) - which helps building up a bit more of tension in this section
(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)One object mentioned = yeah not ready for rank. Good old Xexxar :3

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

rakuenslove wrote:
--nostalgic diff

you emphasize 00:32:056 (1) with distance - but not 00:31:297 (1) - or 00:32:816 (1) - or 00:33:765 (1) -

00:42:879 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:43:449 (1) - 00:45:917 (1) - ^

You're comparing 3 distinct sounds there; the object emphasized with distance there is this one 00:32:056 (1) - as you said it has bigger spacing so the similar one is also spaced emphasized right here 00:30:727 (1) - , even tho leniency makes this a bit less spacing intense 00:30:348 (3) - they're still similar, you can't compare those to 00:31:297 (1) - /00:32:816 (1) - they're similar but if you check the pattern you can notice I treated them differently. Also 00:33:196 (1,1) - saying this 1/4 gap is not emphasized is just lol

00:36:803 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this feels honestly so weird to play and hear , why not map only voice or instrumentals ? ;f this is just an opinion tho

Sliders for dense vocal lines and circles to keep the rhythm along percussion? fuan ni naru kedo all are mapped with sliders and since the "do" line is bigger and mapped a reverse slider to change the flow since I'd use sliders for percussion afterwards 00:38:892 (1,2,1,1) - that's also the reason I changed combo colors there.

00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - xd

this basically has 0 sense and doesn't hint at anything coming into the map, the song doesn't even change here so I assume you had a missclick and moved the circles a little bit too far so maybe fix?
not sure what happend to the map past 1 minute
xd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-naduAbrBnc
Wow posting pishifat video as argument, let's see if you watched the video and really mod the map accordingly;
spacing with jumps: spacing shouldn't be random, and must be according to the songs intensity;
More intense section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - with 00:18:765 (2,1) - having bigger spacing compared to 00:18:955 (1,2) - compared to 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - with less contrast between the intensity of 1-2 connections to 2-1, so the spacing is accordingly, repeated element 00:20:094 (1,2,1,2) - when the song repeats itself
visuals with jumps; 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - highlight and observe, try to understand before getting all sarcastic
flow with jumps; "By continuosly using one type of flow throught one section of the song jumps can represent that section's repeated elements, and when the song change, flow change as well;
00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - snap/angular flow with increasing and decreasing spacing according to the hitsounding/music interpretation
00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - Linear motion with wide angles and a bit of a decreased spacing
There's also an element he didn't mention in the video;
positioning with jumps; objects with bigger contrast between 1-2 and 2-1 spacing are on the edges of the playfield while the ones with smaller are more on the middle 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - , objects with snare are upwards compared to the ones that are not, etc...

Net0 wrote:
but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.
...right no wonder mapping meta sucks nice mentality you got there

this is on the maps front page btw

Nice sarcasm, but don't quote me without the full context of it;

Net0 wrote:
Monstrata wrote:
Uhh I really can't agree with how you map this lmao... I feel that way about a lot of maps out there, but meh, ppl should be allowed to get pp with no effort.

I didn't change anything but thanks for the mod.

Necroluttah

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Necroluttah 8 years ago

ouçam os bn gente, nenhum deles tão dizendo isso pra atacar
é pra ajudar

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Necroluttah wrote:
ouçam os bn gente, nenhum deles tão dizendo isso pra atacar
é pra ajudar

Ué, eu to dando reply normalmente nos mods que chegaram na thread x.x

Yuii-

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Yuii- 8 years ago

Meu amor por Necro é demais <3
Mas vc tem que dizer a outras pessoas para nao spammar o thread, Net0...

Muito amor de mim, meninos

AshbeII

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AshbeII 8 years ago

why did i waste my time you dont even understand. shame. other diffs are super nice tho

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

rakuenslove wrote:
why did i waste my time you dont even understand. shame. other diffs are super nice tho

You post a mod full of sarcasm
I reply everything posted trying my best to make everything clear with how I've done stuff
You proceed to say I didn't understand the mod and say you wasted your time without mentioning anything regarding the reply...
...
..
.

AshbeII

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AshbeII 8 years ago

there are 3 general portions in the song (Beggining of it) that gradually increase which I hope we can agree on,

first starting at 00:18:575 (1) -
second at 00:19:335 (1) -
third at 00:21:613 (1) -

the way you map is you choose to pick a spacing in the middle of the first jump sequence 00:18:765 (2,1) - that is basically equal/bigger to the 3rd sequence
essentially overshadowing the 2nd sequence 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -

the player should have a feeling of increasing difficulty along with the song and not a feeling of relief after passing 00:18:765 (2,1) - knowing that the 2nd sequence is bassically half spacing.

but the main point that I specified in my mod is that you choose to build up the 3rd sequence(which becomes the general type of linear jump in your map) using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore, which would be okay if this part of the song was unique , but its not.

maybe visually it looks cute but that's not all there is.

it simply doesn't reflect the song properly and it doesn't feel consistent and I hope you make some sort of change, I don't want another explanation of your map. you already explained these parts over and over... try to be a bit objective.

i could understand weird spacings in this part of the map if they somehow reflected,hinted the end of the map. but they are completely different except that stream, props on it altho you should change its angle a bit

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

rakuenslove wrote:
there are 3 general portions in the song (Beggining of it) that gradually increase which I hope we can agree on,

first starting at 00:18:575 (1) -
second at 00:19:335 (1) -
third at 00:21:613 (1) -

the way you map is you choose to pick a spacing in the middle of the first jump sequence 00:18:765 (2,1) - that is basically equal/bigger to the 3rd sequence
essentially overshadowing the 2nd sequence 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -

the player should have a feeling of increasing difficulty along with the song and not a feeling of relief after passing 00:18:765 (2,1) - knowing that the 2nd sequence is bassically half spacing.

but the main point that I specified in my mod is that you choose to build up the 3rd sequence(which becomes the general type of linear jump in your map) using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore, which would be okay if this part of the song was unique , but its not.

maybe visually it looks cute but that's not all there is.

it simply doesn't reflect the song properly and it doesn't feel consistent and I hope you make some sort of change, I don't want another explanation of your map. you already explained these parts over and over... try to be a bit objective.

i could understand weird spacings in this part of the map if they somehow reflected,hinted the end of the map. but they are completely different except that stream, props on it altho you should change its angle a bit

Now you're modding.
I made changes on; 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2) - the spacing was reduced to that it won't overshadow 00:19:715 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - as the version before was, but I really want to keep the contrast between 1-2 for 2-1 bigger compared to the afterwards section. Also repositioned 00:19:335 (1,2,1,2) - to improve readability since I stacked the previous pattern with it.
"using weirdly spaced 1-2s that do not appear in the map anymore" They're the core of the mapping itself, they appear in the kiai a lot, but indeed comparing the initial jump section 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - to the last one 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - there's a distinct amount of linear flow, being drastically reduced, so I'll make the last part have more linear sections; currently there's this 90º part 01:27:689 (1,2,3,4) - which kinda falls on the ambiguous side of wheter ppl snap or make smooth motion and this 120º 01:29:398 (1,2,3) - , but I'm also now making the star here 01:30:158 (1,2,3,4,5) - flow with linear motion, adding a bit more of consistency between the two sections.
Since I changed the star flow, I also had to re-work the stream 01:31:107 (1,2,3,4,1) - to fit the flow better.

Thanks again for mod ^^

Nikakis

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Nikakis 8 years ago

Hi Net0~

Nostalgic Festival:

00:06:423 (1,2,3) - : I was curious about this unexpected wide spacing comparing these 00:00:348 (1,2,3) - , 00:03:385 (1,2,3) - .The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind, so yeah, could you explain this spacing for this specific part?In my opinion, you should keep the same spacing concept for these piano sounds like in the beginning.The background rhythm change is too quiet to modify piano sounds' spacing.
00:09:461 (1) - : Ctrl + G'ing this slider itself gives a better motion in my opinion.
00:21:234 (1,2,1,2) - : Well, using the ''right to left'' motion twice in a row is too harsh.It ruins the whole natural movement of going to ''zig zag'' mode.Why don't try Ctrl + H'ing this whole part 00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - ?It will a make a nice circular flow instead.
00:36:234 (8) - : This distance from the slider is quiet big and uncomfortable for this kind of a lower tone vocal.For example, you could stack it on the slidertail of 00:35:284 (5) - .
00:48:386 (8) - : Same thing.
00:50:284 (5,6) - : This doesn't sound very nice.It may follow somehow the vocal's held duration but it's still weird.You could do two things;You can simply Ctrl + G them ,which im more fan of this option, or, you can delete the slider and add a circle here 00:50:664 - .Both of these ways are better in my opinion than your choice of mapping a circle + slider.
01:00:727 (1) - : Why so low slider velocity?0,50 SV totally underemphasizes the vocals' tone change.The vocals are completely different and lively here.I would definitely recommend you to change the slider velocity to 1,0.
01:12:310 (1) - : Really harsh SV change, the player will definetely sliderbreak this.
01:09:651 (4,5) comparing 01:21:803 (6,7) - : Could you explain me this huge spacing difference behind the second part?I really wonder
01:27:689 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2) - : Very, very very hard to aim.Could you nerf them a bit?

~Good luck!

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Nikakis wrote:
Hi Net0~

Nostalgic Festival:

00:06:423 (1,2,3) - : I was curious about this unexpected wide spacing comparing these 00:00:348 (1,2,3) - , 00:03:385 (1,2,3) - .The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind, so yeah, could you explain this spacing for this specific part?In my opinion, you should keep the same spacing concept for these piano sounds like in the beginning.The background rhythm change is too quiet to modify piano sounds' spacing."The piano rhythm isn't changing at all except the calm melody from behind" you already figured the reason, the rhythm itself didn't change, but song intensity did increase.
00:09:461 (1) - : Ctrl + G'ing this slider itself gives a better motion in my opinion. It does, but I'm not going for a confotable motion; the fact is that the slider there is unconfortable for the song change on 00:09:461 (1) - since that's when percussion starts. Basically it's most of the time uncortable moviment or high spacing for transitions; 00:18:196 (5,1) - /00:24:082 (6,1) - /00:38:132 (6,7,1) - etc
00:21:234 (1,2,1,2) - : Well, using the ''right to left'' motion twice in a row is too harsh.It ruins the whole natural movement of going to ''zig zag'' mode.Why don't try Ctrl + H'ing this whole part 00:21:613 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1) - ?It will a make a nice circular flow instead. I did some re-work on this section,
I was also kinda tilted a bit with it as it was after so many mod applications, so changed some stuff again to make it work more similar to how it was originally.
00:36:234 (8) - : This distance from the slider is quiet big and uncomfortable for this kind of a lower tone vocal.For example, you could stack it on the slidertail of 00:35:284 (5) - .All right, I'll go with that ^^
00:48:386 (8) - : Same thing.
00:50:284 (5,6) - : This doesn't sound very nice.It may follow somehow the vocal's held duration but it's still weird.You could do two things;You can simply Ctrl + G them ,which im more fan of this option, or, you can delete the slider and add a circle here 00:50:664 - .Both of these ways are better in my opinion than your choice of mapping a circle + slider. Kinda hard to ctrol+g and keep the flow idea in the pattern, but hopefully fixed.
01:00:727 (1) - : Why so low slider velocity?0,50 SV totally underemphasizes the vocals' tone change.The vocals are completely different and lively here.I would definitely recommend you to change the slider velocity to 1,0.Did something to make it more overwhelming
01:12:310 (1) - : Really harsh SV change, the player will definetely sliderbreak this.well this is like something really special, and mostly SVs there are to follow and emphasize the vocal line which I perceived as the most important one in the entire song. It's a section players will have to read.
01:09:651 (4,5) comparing 01:21:803 (6,7) - : Could you explain me this huge spacing difference behind the second part?I really wonder They're different sections tho, but I can see where you're coming from, I increased the spacing here 01:09:651 (4,5) - since it was kinda small considering the chorus overall spacing
01:27:689 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,1,2) - : Very, very very hard to aim.Could you nerf them a bit?Nothing really extraordinary, just jumps imo.

~Good luck!
Thanks mod, and no, I repeat, this map is not a meme. :3

fabriciorby

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fabriciorby 8 years ago

little irc mod

SPOILER

00:15 fabriciorby: achei q tem uns slider q dibra demaius
00:15 Net0: foi sim
00:15 Net0: opa
00:15 Net0: só falar
00:15 fabriciorby: perai
00:16 Net0: eita perai
00:16 fabriciorby: esse aqui dibra mas dps q passa ele ja da pra saber q o segundo é assim
00:16 fabriciorby: 00:33:196 (1) -
00:17 Net0: okay
00:17 fabriciorby: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:17 fabriciorby: esse aqui
00:17 fabriciorby: q eu achei q dibro mt
00:17 Net0: btfé
00:17 Net0: vou fazer assim
00:17 Net0: vou mudar esse aqui de lugar
00:18 Net0: 01:11:550 (1) -
00:18 Net0: mesmo que aumente o spacing
00:18 Net0: pra esse aqui ficar mais visivel
00:18 Net0: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:18 Net0: oq acha?
00:18 fabriciorby: 01:24:082 (1) -
00:18 fabriciorby: esse aqui é a msm coisa mas n dibra
00:18 fabriciorby: pq da pra ver o corpo entrando
00:19 fabriciorby: mas eu entendi q a ideia era deixar eles do msm tamanho msm
00:19 fabriciorby: e no outro n ta do mesmo tamanho
00:21 fabriciorby: mas eu n sei modar essa diff
00:22 Net0: Deixa eu te mostrar
00:22 Net0: https://puu.sh/y3YLX.png
00:22 Net0: ficou com aim mais difícil
00:22 Net0: so que melhorou a leitura

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Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

fabriciorby wrote:
little irc mod
SPOILER
00:15 fabriciorby: achei q tem uns slider q dibra demaius
00:15 Net0: foi sim
00:15 Net0: opa
00:15 Net0: só falar
00:15 fabriciorby: perai
00:16 Net0: eita perai
00:16 fabriciorby: esse aqui dibra mas dps q passa ele ja da pra saber q o segundo é assim
00:16 fabriciorby: 00:33:196 (1) -
00:17 Net0: okay
00:17 fabriciorby: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:17 fabriciorby: esse aqui
00:17 fabriciorby: q eu achei q dibro mt
00:17 Net0: btfé
00:17 Net0: vou fazer assim
00:17 Net0: vou mudar esse aqui de lugar
00:18 Net0: 01:11:550 (1) -
00:18 Net0: mesmo que aumente o spacing
00:18 Net0: pra esse aqui ficar mais visivel
00:18 Net0: 01:11:930 (1) -
00:18 Net0: oq acha?
00:18 fabriciorby: 01:24:082 (1) -
00:18 fabriciorby: esse aqui é a msm coisa mas n dibra
00:18 fabriciorby: pq da pra ver o corpo entrando
00:19 fabriciorby: mas eu entendi q a ideia era deixar eles do msm tamanho msm
00:19 fabriciorby: e no outro n ta do mesmo tamanho
00:21 fabriciorby: mas eu n sei modar essa diff
00:22 Net0: Deixa eu te mostrar
00:22 Net0: https://puu.sh/y3YLX.png
00:22 Net0: ficou com aim mais difícil
00:22 Net0: so que melhorou a leitura
commit purpose only

We discussed this pattern; 00:32:816 (1,1,1) - was hard to read but predictable, but here 01:11:550 (1,1,1) - tho, difficulty wasn't balanced spacing/readability wise. It was decided that it was better to improve readability even if the spacing on the 1/4 gap was increased, since this also has a big spacing 01:23:702 (1,1,1) - for the 1/4 gap.
After apply the suggestion re-worked 01:23:702 (1,1) - and 01:00:727 (1,1) - for consistency both spacing wise and visual wise.
Thanks a lot for testing the map :3

Xexxar

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Xexxar 8 years ago

Net0 wrote:
(also overall agree with monstrata this map isnt really fit for rank as is)One object mentioned = yeah not ready for rank. Good old Xexxar :3

Just giving an opinion not trying to start an in depth discussion. Maps like these aren't worth the effort.

Weedy

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Weedy 8 years ago

now it's a race of "which bn will turn a blind eye to top diff and bubble this" ResidentSleeper

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

Xexxar wrote:
Maps like these aren't worth the effort.

Yeah, we should spend more time mapping songs of games related to pedophilia, I'm totally in the wrong side here.

Jokes aside, I'll just repeat it once more, if you don't want to make MODS about anything related to any of the diffs, just meme and complain about the map in discord/twitter/reddit wherever you can find yourself a nice place to complain about things on the internet to make yourself feel better. HERE is not the place.

Also, saying "maps aren't worth the effort" only shows what a shitty mentality you have if you ever considered yourself a modder in the first place.

[[Pika]] wrote:
now it's a race of "which bn will turn a blind eye to top diff and bubble this" ResidentSleeper

If you have any concerns about top diff feel free to drop a mod ^^
If you just don't like there isn't anything I can do about that, you have plenty of other maps out there that I'm sure fits your taste.

Ataraxia

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Ataraxia 8 years ago

130 post e so tem uma estrela
edit: agora tem 131 :joy_cat:
edit: agora tem 2

Shadow guerreiro

OzenIce

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OzenIce 8 years ago

um modzin simples pro map

*** Easy ***

00:33:196 - nota faltando?
00:45:348 - aki tambem... se bem que os 2 juntos do mesmo jeito fica bom (se for add nota a 1, add também a outro)

Muito bom.

*** Normal = muito bom
*** Advanced = muito bom
*** Hard = MUITO bom !

-={ Insanes }=-

*** Bariton Insane

muito Ousado com os slide muito bom ! flue bem

*** Delis Insane

very good work

*** Trynna Insane

essa parte me chamou atenção : 00:55:031 (1,2,3) - boa mistura de drums com voz, ficou supimpa

as outras parte tb estão boas

-={ Extras }=-

*** Mirash

00:00:917 (1) - why too far from the other before? ... but... it may be a good effect (good to keep)
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - more notes than music .. but as an extra diff it may be accept. a nice make-up rhtythm (good to keep)

*** Shizuku-

very good work : )

*** Mun

good work too

*** Nostalgic Festival

muita ousadia com os slides tipo 00:36:803 (1,3,6,1,1) - e tipo 00:44:968 (1,1) - e 01:11:550 (1,1,1) -

parece que tão reclamando deles mas tão muito... seila... DIVINO !

e tá no extra, deviam deixar rankea...
fosse no normal ou hard td bem reclamar, mas no extra...

é DIVINO

e o q eh divino os humanos ñ entende...

boa sorte cara

e q musica boa tb

Neto

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Neto 8 years ago

OzenIce wrote:
um modzin simples pro map

*** Easy ***

00:33:196 - nota faltando?
00:45:348 - aki tambem... se bem que os 2 juntos do mesmo jeito fica bom (se for add nota a 1, add também a outro)

Muito bom.

*** Normal = muito bom
*** Advanced = muito bom
*** Hard = MUITO bom !

-={ Insanes }=-

*** Bariton Insane

muito Ousado com os slide muito bom ! flue bem

*** Delis Insane

very good work

*** Trynna Insane

essa parte me chamou atenção : 00:55:031 (1,2,3) - boa mistura de drums com voz, ficou supimpa

as outras parte tb estão boas

-={ Extras }=-

*** Mirash

00:00:917 (1) - why too far from the other before? ... but... it may be a good effect (good to keep)
00:21:423 (1,2,3,4) - more notes than music .. but as an extra diff it may be accept. a nice make-up rhtythm (good to keep)

*** Shizuku-

very good work : )

*** Mun

good work too

*** Nostalgic Festival

muita ousadia com os slides tipo 00:36:803 (1,3,6,1,1) - e tipo 00:44:968 (1,1) - e 01:11:550 (1,1,1) -

parece que tão reclamando deles mas tão muito... seila... DIVINO !

e tá no extra, deviam deixar rankea...
fosse no normal ou hard td bem reclamar, mas no extra...

é DIVINO

e o q eh divino os humanos ñ entende...

boa sorte cara

e q musica boa tb

Eu pedi pro Ataraxia autorizar colocar os circles aqui
00:33:196 - e 00:45:348 - na Easy, valeu pelo mod e por apoiar o mapa ^^

Tarrasky

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Tarrasky 8 years ago

this map is good?

defiance

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defiance 7 years ago

Tarrasky wrote:
this map is good?

no

Alarido

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Alarido 7 years ago

Uma vez o InC0nceNtrateD fez uma guest Insane pro meu mapa do Coldplay e que só não foi adiante por causa do BD (um BAT da época) e Luanny e assim ficou sem insane. Mas não há problema nisso. Um dia ainda o submito para ficar como Loved (uma 'pedalada' que na época ainda não tinha).
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_handholding

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_handholding 7 years ago

I can shot some stars if you want to go for loved

Neto

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Neto 7 years ago

osuskrub wrote:
Tarrasky wrote:
this map is good?
no

I think is good

Alarido wrote:
Uma vez o InC0nceNtrateD fez uma guest Insane pro meu mapa do Coldplay e que só não foi adiante por causa do BD (um BAT da época) e Luanny e assim ficou sem insane. Mas não há problema nisso. Um dia ainda o submito para ficar como Loved (uma 'pedalada' que na época ainda não tinha).
l

Não sabia disso Alarido. Realmente é complicado quando uma GD não consegue ir pra ranked e tem que sair do set, mas é algo que acontece :/

Kisses wrote:
I can shot some stars if you want to go for loved

The current loved system has no relation to star priority, you should get yourself updated on news like this and no thanks, the map is going for rank. Also, I think I already made myself clear that I don't you getting involved with me, I'm tired of your pointless offensive comments.

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