somebody say something

Sakura I waited. You never said anything. Why?

No ones saying anything because we are clearly waiting for bboy n Sakura.

Oh thanks for saying that. I neglected to read the last two pages and thought everyone decided they'd rather be a lurker.

Not in a mood to read anything today. Prod dodge. Waiting for tomorrow.

Forget to answer this

Hika wrote:

Jess you literally summarized D2 thus far and didn't even do it properly.

Why wouldnt I want people to think I'm town?!!!!
Isn't that the point of mafia? For us to find the scum and to prove everyone's innocence?!

It just my thought about your action
also sorry for make everyone get headache

Im still on Limited Activity but i found some time so i decided to put a post out, however it ended up being a Wallpost/Case kinda thing.

So i'm currently reading through everything that's going on and the back and forth between Frosty and Hika, Hika pretending to be confused sounds very legit, but then I ask this question, is there any possible proof that she's doing this? Idk where Frosty got that this could be a townslip from Hika, so we need to re-examine the turn of events that led to that confusion.

First of All:
Back in D1 Hika claimed VT unprompted, this has always been one of the most wtf momments that i've been wondering up until my post about the setup on D2, why does she care so much about claiming being VT if she's town that leaves scum with less night targets when PR Hunting, or they could be WIFOM'd by her claim.
Then with the post that caused actual confusion:

Sakura wrote:

Only possible setups atm are 3 and C, if rEdo's telling the truth then we're on C, Hika that claim came out of nowhere.

Was there any doubt those were the 2 possible setups? i even colored them and everything with the tracker flip.
What's important here is that there is no VT on either of those 2, It's something that's been boggling my mind, why would Hika think a VT would counter anything in there. Which is another reason why i thought she was claiming something else other than VT, the only place you see VT is on 1 or B.
Next in the mod's setup post:

Zexion wrote:

After signups and before the game starts, I will choose randomly one of {A,B,C,1,2,3} and that will select which roles will appear, and after that it will be filled with Vanilla Townies and a Mafia Goon until we have a 7 town, 2 scum setup. The assignation of roles will be totallly randomized as well. (Meaning, I don't get to choose anything by myself).

Regardless, the only vanilla role that appears on these 2 in the table itself is Mafia Goon.
In addition, let's look back at one of Hika's posts during D1 when the thing about Masons with bee was going on:
p/5811147

Hika wrote:

Oh my fucking lord I'm stupid this is a matrix 6 setup wtf.

This implies she knows what a matrix 6 setup means and the fact that Masons arent in it. Then this happens: p/5812168
Another thing bothering me about Hika is that back in D1 she said:

Hika wrote:

anyways, why would i sit here and not say anything @sakura. i'm clearly going to express my reads when i do see something out of the ordinary, and i do think the fact that you think I'm literally going to 'wait for a slip' is totally weird

And from there she only got a suppsed very high scumread on Dawn that she didt push too hard (As she says) and a conf town read on rEdo after everyone else was conf towning him for his claim: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not to mention she said:

Hika wrote:

Sakura you're my townread.
because you voted Jess.

And that read seems to have vanished into thin air ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ while soft defending Jess from abraker back in:

Hika wrote:

Jess isn't scum though. She just plays like that all the time @abraker

Now here's some questions for Hika:

Hika wrote:

This doesn't even work here.
Literally everyone else was pushing him harder than me.

So?, Scum are more likely to not push hard a wagon when the town is doing that job for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hika wrote:

I didn't know he was town, he was the scummiest person playing at the moment, and he was even playing anti town!

And you didnt push the "scummiest person playing at the momment and being even anti town" hard? i mean Jess is also the scummiest hammer ever and also even playing anti town and you're doing nothing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hika wrote:

Why do you keep looking at me when Jess has given more bs reasons

Why me > Fry me, You're deflecting, and since your supposed defense is that Jess has given more bs reasons why arent YOU looking at her.

Hika wrote:

No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town. These are MY reads.

So we're midway through D2 and you only got a grand total of 1 town read? and it's even the safest town read?

Hika wrote:

Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)

what's with the sudden OMGUS threat? Am I also going to suddenly turn to scummy for you as well? :^)

I think rn the team is Hika/Jess

Now something about bee is that he likes to joke around a lot, plus i've never seen him use his mason fake claim as scum, however i've also never seen him do it in an Open game.

I didn't say I had only two reads? I said I was also reading bird town.
And where did I say you were scummy anywhere??? @sakura

also vote me if you think I'm scum then?
You're looking too hard into my posts. Jess isn't cleared, I just can't give her a scumread if she doesn't post anything important because I can point fingers at you guys, who are already saying things and speaking up.
Also my :^) face is clearly a joke. Why the hell would I vote my town read for thinking I'm not town. If they think I'm not town, cool, they think I'm not town and I know my role. And if somehow I end up getting voted, I know who pushes me the hardest and I'd hope my town reads would figure out who scum is.

Also I finally understand a Matrix 6 setup thanks to you!!!
And if you don't believe I was genuinely being stupid then thanks! I take it as a compliment. I thought he filled our roles based off of the chart, obviously but in a different way until your explanation in stupid people terms helped me figure out I can't counter claim anything even though Dawn flipped. Scum wouldn't be smart to fake claim or CC a confirmed town because it would bring them too much attention. I however, am not scum so it didn't even bother me at the slightest. I made a small mistake I reading the setup.

Also, I'm looking through rEdo's reads to see who he's scum reading instead of pointing fingers and thinking hard on a stupid CC.

Also heads up, I'll have a list of reads when I get more posts from bboy.

Ooh look, did anyone notice how Jess has two pages of ISO to read?
Love it.

I would love to call attention to Hika getting focused only on my thinking she was faking confusion about the setup, and proceeding to ignore all the other points and my questions.
I will concede however that i may have misinterpreted her calling her and rEdo conftown as a full reads list, but still she doesnt mention reads anywhere so that's her own fault for me misinterpreting it.

Anyway that's all from me today, i'll be back in full tomorrow.

Totally answered your questions. If you don't like it, sorry... I don't give answers to please you or anyone else, I give answers to rationalize my thinking in the current moment.

Especially the one with Jess. I don't think she's town, nor scum, but she is nullscum because she only posted one thing after we all got on her. I'm fine with that PL.

I actually don't think Hika could make this up as scum
it doesn't really make sense to claim VT as scum on Day 1 and then push that onto Day 2 to try to "CC" a claimed BP in an open setup, especially after the Tracker flip

It's a pretty believable townslip, I'd be really really surprised if Hika flipped scum

Did Hika actually claim VT on D1? Seemed like a joke to me. I also agree that it would be unlikely that Hika could pretend to townslip so much as scum.

I did claim VT. Because I thought the votes were mixed up.

Sakura defends Frosting
Frosting defends Hika
Sakura attacks Hika

*Raises eyebrow*

Sigh,the dead is real
Will post some of my thought on this tmr since I am tried

smh.

I'm at work and I have class right after. I'll be happy to respond when the people who we've said needed to post, decides to post. Smh.

Some people were supposedly waiting for me and only Hika and abraker ever replied.
Hmm...

Oh wait Frosty and B1rd did as well

Actually I think you posted a good amount. I was referring to bboy and Jess.

I'm sort of just waiting to hear what other people think over my comments about beeboy being scummy

My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.

Sakura wrote:

My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.

I have no reason to believe Jess is scum either unfortunately. She is a hard read

But did she screw up with voting for someone like that before? Better question is she always this clueless about what is going on?

Zexion wrote:

@Sakura, beeboy: do you consider a 24h day extention neccesary?

Based on what I've read, people are going everywhere and there's no cohesion.
So i'd say yes to that extension.

abraker wrote:

Sakura wrote:

My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.

I have no reason to believe Jess is scum either unfortunately. She is a hard read

But did she screw up with voting for someone like that before? Better question is she always this clueless about what is going on?

The former, i think she has, but i cant recall. The later, yes. I cannot say whether it's true she's clueless or just pretending tho, since it always comes across as such, but i have no way to know what's going in her head.

From experience we should be reaching a consensus by the time there's 48h left on the clock, to have enough time to analyze anything left over or in case a player turns out to town it up when being roped.
As people say, alignment is much easier to read at the face of pressure.
Btw for some reason i thought it was 4 to lynch and not 5 to lynch i completely forgot about the lack of death during the night.

But seriously we have about a lil less than 3 days remaining with 5 people not voting, one of those not even being around yet. Assuming bee's town, that means there's 7 votes 2 of which are scum that are currently active, and that means that EVERY SINGLE TOWN PLAYER must vote to lynch.
I hope bee comes around and gives some insight sooner or later. I'd also like the people not voting to put their vote somewhere.

I'd like to lynch Jess today, she's probably the safest bet
We have a free lynch right now so it'll save us the trouble of having choosing between her and someone else later on when it actually matters

-[Jess]- wrote:

Sigh,the dead is real
Will post some of my thought on this tmr since I am tried

Though I'd like to hear what she has to say

Actually, why are you saying it's dead when we had a ton of content @ Jess

you're not even trying anymore

Hika wrote:

Actually, why are you saying it's dead when we had a ton of content @ Jess

you're not even trying anymore

I was hoping that was a typo much like many other things she writes

I'm *pretty* sure a policy lynch on Jess is an alright move for us today. I'm tired of her not talking.

Vote: -[Jess]-

Sorry for my inactivity earlier, was busy with a job talk.

Still feel uncomfortable voting on Jesse due to the lack of info. I am staying on Frostings unless I get evidence that is as good or better than what I got for him.

Also it kinda feels weird that nobody questioned my vote in him. Can somebody at least point out if I have any faults in my reasoning?

Hika wrote:

Actually, why are you saying it's dead when we had a ton of content @ Jess

you're not even trying anymore

Because everyone won't listen of my word,they just want to get a "safe lynch" for me and help scum to lynch a town

Two of people voted reason is because my vote in D1 make them think it is a scum move and My action in past make them think they should PL Jess again is a right move.they just saying whom player are scum for them and still want to vote me.Just why would you think it's is a right move to lynch a town player?why don't you vote the one that you think it is more scummy than me?

-[Jess]- wrote:

Because everyone won't listen of my word,they just want to get a "safe lynch" for me and help scum to lynch a town

Two of people voted reason is because my vote in D1 make them think it is a scum move and My action in past make them think they should PL Jess again is a right move.they just saying whom player are scum for them and still want to vote me.Just why would you think it's is a right move to lynch a town player?why don't you vote the one that you think it is more scummy than me?

I had to read this twice to full understand.

Because:
a) You're not contributing at all. We are listening, and we want to listen to you, but it just seems like you have nothing constructive to say.
b) You hammered without even talking to anyone about this (I know you posted a few hours earlier you're gonna hammer if nobody else does)
c) The reason people vote you over the people they find scummy is to (quoting Frostings here) "save us a headache later". The behavior from b) is an outright scum move or a vanillia idiot one. So even if you actually do flip town, it's at least going to make the game progress instead of stagnating like it's happening right now. But I guess it's not just because of you, but because of bboy's inactivity.

My reads are not as clear as I want them to be, that's why my vote sits on you.

I would say something, but rEdo's pretty much said what i wanted to say.
Only thing to add is Jess you keep saying PL this, PL that, you made something scum would do, and are doing something scum does (lots of words, zero contribution, just being self preserving, not scumhunting). In your eyes, why should I believe you're town when you've been acting like scum does? from my PoV you have higher chance of flipping scum than town.

So that all my fault for not contribute enough ,I can understand that why it's all happen to me and since I am very terrible at say out of my thoughts
vote:Jess If you want to

...well you're not gonna do yourself any favours by self-voting and sulking (or town, for that matter). Jess, maybe you should consider that if you made more of an effort to improve your gameplay you wouldn't always end up in situations like this in the first place.

Zexion wrote:

@Sakura, beeboy: do you consider a 24h day extention neccesary?

No thanks Kappa Ya.

I'll post tonight once I can put time into this game without worrying about needing to do anything else.
I should have posted last night but I forgot oops?

No hammer until I am back pls.

What's funny is that while that is a self-vote related topic some of the things pointed out such as:

Thor665 wrote:

Why should I be allowed to get away with that? Why should town need to try to sort out whether someone is a derp town or a vile scum just due to a single vote?

Can apply pretty much to most of what Jess does.

I ain't hammering that due to wanting to hear bboy.
Afterward, we can hammer her because sulking ain't gonna save your "town" behind at the end of the day.

-[Jess]- wrote:

So that all my fault for not contribute enough ,I can understand that why it's all happen to me and since I am very terrible at say out of my thoughts
vote:Jess If you want to

Jess, why...

Either you are a scum who now sees no way out
Or you are the second most unfortunate and extremely stupid townie

Who's the first one?

Dawnsday, I assume.

Jess takes the cake because she hammered him without explanantion, actually.

Sorry for getting emotional
unvote

Btw i'd still advise against putting Jess at L-1, she can self-hammer to cut off discussion before we hear from bee.

Prod Dodge
Been busy all day

rEdo wrote:

Beeboy, explain why do you think I'm conftown. Tell me who's scum.

Because you would have been CC'd by now if you were scum. A bullet proof has no reason to not CC and I don't think a doc would value there action over lynching conf scum.

B1rd wrote:

Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.

I said I wasn't a mason 16 posts into the game so I didn't really do what you were saying at all.
I mean I am pretty sure I said Dawnsday was town all of day 1 so I am not exactly sure what I fence sat on.
And all I have done this day phase was the vote counter claim and ask people questions. I don't see how voting a counter claim is scummy and I don't know why you are referring to bandwagons as a plural when I haven't voted anyone else.
Like literally nothing you said is true.

-[Jess]- wrote:

About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all

I'd vote Jess for this considering she declared intent to hammer earlier so idk why she would suddenly think Dawnsday is at L-2.

B1rd wrote:

I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.

This is against the rules.

Uh anyway I kinda suck at catching up I think that was everything directed at me?
Anyway I'll post my reads in a bit.

Hika - could be scum. I don't get the whole obbession with not wanting to be copped. The only time I have actually seen this happen with a town player before was when that player was a commuter and didn't want to claim ascetic cause they thought they could block a NK.

Sakura - I am pretty sure Sakura is town here. Pretty sure she would be more apathetic if she was scum in this game after a decently sized break from mafia. And as scum I find her reads to feel more like attempts at pushing people and doing things (like her read on me in musical mafia in that 1/2 day before she replaced out) rather then actual attempts at solving the game.

abraker - I don't think abraker is actually trying to push people for someone with such a high volume of posts. It is a scum tell for me when people have such a high volume of posts without ever really pushing people or changing the pace of the game. so he could also be scum.

-[Jess]- - I literally don't understand how Jess would think Dawnsday wasn't at L-1 when she declared intent on an earlier page.

Frostings - I think Frosting defending Hika isn't something scum would do, it's a defense that I'd imagine would bring on more questions and attention he wouldn't want. He is also generating content and moving the game forward so he is prolly town.

B1rd - I think B1rd's attempts of solving the game and the fact he is push me in general to develop his read is pretty town but I also think his read on me is total garbage which evens that out.

Scum team is Jess + abraker/Hika

I'll vote Jess if no one has any problems in a decent chunk of hours. (like tomorrow morning

nice try

also my thoughts didn't change even after bboy' post sadly. So we're gonna wait until D3.

Hika wrote:

Also heads up, I'll have a list of reads when I get more posts from bboy.

Still waiting

yeah you can wait I'm at work

Buuuut for now I'm gonna say scum team is probably you and frosty

And btw I will have a better confirmation on that day 3

Sakura wrote:

Hika wrote:

Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)

what's with the sudden OMGUS threat? Am I also going to suddenly turn to scummy for you as well? :^)

lol called it.

stuff happens

beeboy123 wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.

This is against the rules.

I'm not gonna read/reply to everything at this point in time, but I've read every rule, and there is nothing that remotely pertains to this.

4.9 I'd be loopholing the prod system by abusing VLA.

Faking V/LA is against the rules yes. bee wouldnt do something like that.

Hika wrote:

Buuuut for now I'm gonna say scum team is probably you and frosty

lol wtf where did this come from

Beeboy reads as town for me. Idk why a scum would want to fake a role to be questioned throughout the game later. That will be a handicap from the start. Also dawn claimed the fake role and turned town, so I can believe Beeboy is town despite the fake claim.

I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.

how are people STILL going on about the mason claim

Also I don't really like where the reads are going
Many are automatically assuming Jess is scum
While there's obviously good reason to think that, I don't think anyone here can actually read her all that well
The ones reading her as scum are probably unprepared for a potential but unsurprising townflip from Jess and it's messing up a lot of the scumpartner reads
I would really like to take this game on in Day 3, but if Jess flips town and scum's not afk then it'd be MyLo on D3 already

Also a thought.

If we are in a setup with a doctor, then unless the player protected self, then the player should 100% know the player they protected is townie

An analysis in changes of town reads before and after the 1st day should hint whether rEdo is really bulletproof townie or not.
If the analysis does work, we might figure out a scum, a doctor, and a townie sEdo is not bulletproof townie

forgot "if" between townie and the sEdo typo

Doctor's cant protect themselves generally, but that's 100% the case on matrix 6 (and newbie games).
Why would a doctor fakeclaim 1shot BP? if rEdo's scum then he should've been counter claimed already, scum know who they shot (unless they no killed which is all sorts of wtf).

Hmm it didnt occure to me that if rEdo was fake claiming, then the actual bulletproof townie must have counter claimed by now since that townie has nothing loose (that townie would live when shot)

Alright so rEdo is confirmed town then?

abraker wrote:

Hmm it didnt occure to me that if rEdo was fake claiming, then the actual bulletproof townie must have counter claimed by now since that townie has nothing loose (that townie would live when shot)

Alright so rEdo is confirmed town then?

or the townie's a doctor (doctor can CC 1shot BP since they cant be together in the same setup).
rEdo's indeed conf town until someone CCs, and if someone flips town doctor or BP then... rEdo's pretty much confscum.

But i highly doubt anyone wouldnt have CC'd yet, and i'd take any CC to rEdo at this point as a scum claim because they've had all the time in the world to CC.

it doesn't make sense to fakeclaim anything at the start of Day 2 after the D1 and N1 events whether you're scum or town. rEdo is 99% telling the truth

It is a posibility. Denying possibilities will drive you away from the truth.
While i disagree that scum wouldnt fake claim at that point, i do think that town would've CC'd by now regardless.

I have a townread on Hika. rEdo is conftown, and I'm getting good vibes from beeboy and Sakura

By PoE scum is among Jess abraker and B1rd from my PoV

abraker wrote:

I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.

^
By the way this is a good mindset to have, I remembered GIF mentioning something like that in lovers mafia, which im re-reading right now to compare Hika's scumgame from there to Hika's game here, just in case.
But when i came across this: p/4504905 and the followups it reminded me of what you said.

Hika wrote:

nah if I was scum I wouldn't have voted

keep it in mind

Hika wrote:

I'm live on a computer in a approximately 2 hours max.
I'll answer this for you shortly.

Mind you, the not voting thing is a 50% thing.

I kinda want to revisit these statements after re-reading lovers mafia.
For starters the first statement turns out to be a lie, the 2nd statement completely invalidates the first with the 50% thing, since then it's not a meta tell, so why was it mentioned in the first place?

Hika wrote:

literally said I don't care

I'm VT
believe it or not, if you're surprised I'm sorry
wasting an investigative check on me is pointless, and to a doctor, it's pointless to protect me
I don't do anything but vote. If me not being VT doesn't help then sorry but I literally claimed my role D1, all before this soooo

This also feels all kinds of wrong to me, i know bee already mentioned about hika being worried about investigatives on her, I don't see why it's pointless to protect her if she's town.

Then there's all her soft-defense / soft-attack switching with Jess and never commiting to either one, which is how some people feel with their scum partner specially if it's Jess.

The difference tho, her posts seemed to lack more dedication in lovers mafia, like less fire, could be the case of a different partner i guess (GIF was pretty much doing all the work back then), but it's something that could be alignment related.

Since I'm gonna get NK'd tonight, it's time for a proper readlist. But hey, I'm gonna pretty much reinvent the wheel here.

1. Sakura. I can't imagine her being scum. She seems to be genuinely trying to solve the game.
2. B1rd. I'm getting nice town read vibes coming from B1rd. At first I was suspicious of him being scum, but that changed over time.
3. Frostings' posts so far express a logic that's almost 1-1 to mine, literally nothing he wrote is something I don't agree with. Since I believe I have a town thinking, Frostings should be town as well. What is more, I can't really any arguments confirming he's scum.
4. Hika seems to be sort of overprotective when it comes to herself, but that's pretty much how she played in the other games. That thing with her counter-claiming me as a VT seems to be a huge flaw in logic in townie's thinking. Hey, did you see that word? Yes, the one you're thinking of!
5. Jess. Do I have to comment on this one?
6. abraker seems to be a guy who incoherently tries to softpush certain people which actually are my townreads (Frostings, Hika), which of course means two things: he's either scum or I'm completely wrong at reading this game. I'm not convinced to his words though, especially considering he's been doing lots of posting that's not even necessary for the game to progress. I'd also like to note his inactivity on day 1 where his vote has already been placed on a town player and that haven't changed every since.
7. beeboy. For some reason most people (myself included) assumed from the beginning of the game that beeboy is town. I've seen this happen way too many times (especially in the Hoenn Mafia) - a scum player posts nothing but accurate analysis at beginning of the day 1 and woo, he gets towncred for that. I have more reasons to believe he's scum than to believe he's town.

I've considered a No-Lynch for today, but that would mean just me getting NK-d, and that's literally no information for town. I believe the safest bet right here is Jess, even though I have a feeling that she's gonna townflip. That self-vote thing seems to be an AtE used by bad scum players, but I don't think she's even capable of doing that, considering all of her games... >_>"

I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.

Unvote
Vote: beeboy123

I'd like everyone to rethink the Jess lynch. I started to doubt it's necessary.

rEdo wrote:

I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.

Let me corrent myself: {Jess, beeboy, {Hika | abraker}}. I just reminded myself of the fact that beeboy didn't even question Hika's counterclaim to me and voted me right off the bat.

rEdo wrote:

. I'm not convinced to his words though, especially considering he's been doing lots of posting that's not even necessary for the game to progress. I'd also like to note his inactivity on day 1 where his vote has already been placed on a town player and that haven't changed every since.

Well now that I have this mafia topic open on my phone and computer and I am subbed to the topic, I can't really miss it. My activity mirrors that ofthe rest of OT. Though I started shitposts slightly more after Jess recent posts just because I got intoxicated by the stupidity (couldn't take it seriously). I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him. I already told everyone why I am voting on Frostings and even challenged someone to argue my vote which nobody did.

abraker wrote:

Well now that I have this mafia topic open on my phone and computer and I am subbed to the topic, I can't really miss it. My activity mirrors that ofthe rest of OT. Though I started shitposts slightly more after Jess recent posts just because I got intoxicated by the stupidity (couldn't take it seriously). I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him. I already told everyone why I am voting on Frostings and even challenged someone to argue my vote which nobody did.

By OT you mean Off-Topic?

You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though. At least I can't read that from your ISO instead of that one post where you pointed his flaws concerning him not being a new player. But that was more of a direct attack rather the in-game one.

Your vote on Frostings was indeed sort of ignored by the other players, which is worrying, but Frostings himself pretty much answered your every doubt and you haven't properly replied to him ever since.

afk for ~4-6h ive got classes

rEdo wrote:

[*]Hika-Snip- That thing with her counter-claiming me as a VT seems to be a huge flaw in logic in townie's thinking. Hey, did you see that word? Yes, the one you're thinking of!

What do you think of my theory that she saw Mafia Goon on the vertical line and thought it'd counterclaim you? Makes more sense to me since there's no VT on either line.

beeboy123 wrote:

4.9 I'd be loopholing the prod system by abusing VLA.

This is why I can't pin point you both being scum because he would've probably said something against it. He meaning zexion.

rEdo wrote:

By OT you mean Off-Topic?

yea

rEdo wrote:

You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though

I just did?

abraker wrote:

I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him.

Or are you referring to me saying anything back then and not now?

rEdo wrote:

but Frostings himself pretty much answered your every doubt and you haven't properly replied to him ever since.

Because I am not sure what to reply with. Even if he partially refuted my arguements, I have nothing of such sort for other players yet. My vote remains unless somebody shows correlations, coincidence or evidence between actions and mafia and demonstrates the other choice(s) correlate, coincide, or are evident of actions and townies.

I don't move unless a strong force makes me move

Also Sakura, for my defense statement, or "defense" statement towards Jess.

I just thought it would be fair if she could play with all of us, however, her consistent "I'll post tomorrow" or self voting things don't generate anything but toxic and anti town moves for actual town if she IS town. Simply by asking everyone to shift their attention to others during the witch hunt on Jess helps us generate conversation for the other things that actually do matter. I'm sure we ALL, rather scum or town, would be okay with lynching her, simply because we have so much content and actually put effort in this game.

Also hold on. Either I forgot where Frostings refuted my vote or you are pulling my leg. I wouldn't be complaining that nobody is questioning my vote if at least one opposed it.

abraker wrote:

Frostings wrote:

People were questioning my vote and so I explained it after people already had votes on him for similar reasons that I had

I must have missed something. Who was questioning you?

I never got an answer to this iirc

beeboy123 wrote:

I said I wasn't a mason 16 posts into the game so I didn't really do what you were saying at all.
I mean I am pretty sure I said Dawnsday was town all of day 1 so I am not exactly sure what I fence sat on.
And all I have done this day phase was the vote counter claim and ask people questions. I don't see how voting a counter claim is scummy and I don't know why you are referring to bandwagons as a plural when I haven't voted anyone else.
Like literally nothing you said is true.

Fence sitting is the wrong word. However, a lot of the time scum usually like to have one on a bandwagon, one off it. And like rEdo mentions, they also like to get town cred from accurate analysis at the start, and they don't have any incentive to push a lynch rather than just makes themselves look like townies. You fit both these bills. And what have you done to make me think you're town? You've done pretty much nothing in the way of serious scumhunting, besides floating around and asking a few questions.

So a lot of people so far seem to be townreading beeboy, but I'd like some more explanation of this rather than just "good vibes".

abraker wrote:

My vote remains unless somebody shows correlations, coincidence or evidence between actions and mafia and demonstrates the other choice(s) correlate, coincide, or are evident of actions and townies.

I don't move unless a strong force makes me move

Umm

abraker wrote:

Beeboy reads as town for me. Idk why a scum would want to fake a role to be questioned throughout the game later. That will be a handicap from the start. Also dawn claimed the fake role and turned town, so I can believe Beeboy is town despite the fake claim.

I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.

This was kinda late.