-[Jess]- wrote:

So that all my fault for not contribute enough ,I can understand that why it's all happen to me and since I am very terrible at say out of my thoughts
vote:Jess If you want to

rEdo wrote:

Beeboy, explain why do you think I'm conftown. Tell me who's scum.

B1rd wrote:

Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.

-[Jess]- wrote:

About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all

B1rd wrote:

I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.

Hika wrote:

Also heads up, I'll have a list of reads when I get more posts from bboy.

Sakura wrote:

Hika wrote:

Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)

what's with the sudden OMGUS threat? Am I also going to suddenly turn to scummy for you as well? :^)

beeboy123 wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.

This is against the rules.

Hika wrote:

Buuuut for now I'm gonna say scum team is probably you and frosty

abraker wrote:

Hmm it didnt occure to me that if rEdo was fake claiming, then the actual bulletproof townie must have counter claimed by now since that townie has nothing loose (that townie would live when shot)

Alright so rEdo is confirmed town then?

abraker wrote:

I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.

Hika wrote:

nah if I was scum I wouldn't have voted

keep it in mind

Hika wrote:

I'm live on a computer in a approximately 2 hours max.
I'll answer this for you shortly.

Mind you, the not voting thing is a 50% thing.

Hika wrote:

literally said I don't care

I'm VT
believe it or not, if you're surprised I'm sorry
wasting an investigative check on me is pointless, and to a doctor, it's pointless to protect me
I don't do anything but vote. If me not being VT doesn't help then sorry but I literally claimed my role D1, all before this soooo

1. Sakura. I can't imagine her being scum. She seems to be genuinely trying to solve the game.
2. B1rd. I'm getting nice town read vibes coming from B1rd. At first I was suspicious of him being scum, but that changed over time.
3. Frostings' posts so far express a logic that's almost 1-1 to mine, literally nothing he wrote is something I don't agree with. Since I believe I have a town thinking, Frostings should be town as well. What is more, I can't really any arguments confirming he's scum.
4. Hika seems to be sort of overprotective when it comes to herself, but that's pretty much how she played in the other games. That thing with her counter-claiming me as a VT seems to be a huge flaw in logic in townie's thinking. Hey, did you see that word? Yes, the one you're thinking of!
5. Jess. Do I have to comment on this one?
6. abraker seems to be a guy who incoherently tries to softpush certain people which actually are my townreads (Frostings, Hika), which of course means two things: he's either scum or I'm completely wrong at reading this game. I'm not convinced to his words though, especially considering he's been doing lots of posting that's not even necessary for the game to progress. I'd also like to note his inactivity on day 1 where his vote has already been placed on a town player and that haven't changed every since.
7. beeboy. For some reason most people (myself included) assumed from the beginning of the game that beeboy is town. I've seen this happen way too many times (especially in the Hoenn Mafia) - a scum player posts nothing but accurate analysis at beginning of the day 1 and woo, he gets towncred for that. I have more reasons to believe he's scum than to believe he's town.

rEdo wrote:

I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.

rEdo wrote:

. I'm not convinced to his words though, especially considering he's been doing lots of posting that's not even necessary for the game to progress. I'd also like to note his inactivity on day 1 where his vote has already been placed on a town player and that haven't changed every since.

abraker wrote:

Well now that I have this mafia topic open on my phone and computer and I am subbed to the topic, I can't really miss it. My activity mirrors that ofthe rest of OT. Though I started shitposts slightly more after Jess recent posts just because I got intoxicated by the stupidity (couldn't take it seriously). I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him. I already told everyone why I am voting on Frostings and even challenged someone to argue my vote which nobody did.

rEdo wrote:

[*]Hika-Snip- That thing with her counter-claiming me as a VT seems to be a huge flaw in logic in townie's thinking. Hey, did you see that word? Yes, the one you're thinking of!

beeboy123 wrote:

4.9 I'd be loopholing the prod system by abusing VLA.

rEdo wrote:

By OT you mean Off-Topic?

rEdo wrote:

You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though

abraker wrote:

I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him.

rEdo wrote:

but Frostings himself pretty much answered your every doubt and you haven't properly replied to him ever since.

abraker wrote:

Frostings wrote:

People were questioning my vote and so I explained it after people already had votes on him for similar reasons that I had

I must have missed something. Who was questioning you?

beeboy123 wrote:

I said I wasn't a mason 16 posts into the game so I didn't really do what you were saying at all.
I mean I am pretty sure I said Dawnsday was town all of day 1 so I am not exactly sure what I fence sat on.
And all I have done this day phase was the vote counter claim and ask people questions. I don't see how voting a counter claim is scummy and I don't know why you are referring to bandwagons as a plural when I haven't voted anyone else.
Like literally nothing you said is true.

abraker wrote:

My vote remains unless somebody shows correlations, coincidence or evidence between actions and mafia and demonstrates the other choice(s) correlate, coincide, or are evident of actions and townies.

I don't move unless a strong force makes me move

abraker wrote:

Beeboy reads as town for me. Idk why a scum would want to fake a role to be questioned throughout the game later. That will be a handicap from the start. Also dawn claimed the fake role and turned town, so I can believe Beeboy is town despite the fake claim.

I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.

Sakura wrote:

My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.

Hika wrote:

bboy + frosty
or bboy + Jess

are my corrected scumteam reads.

Just currently reading interactions thus far and hopefully soon, I can re-read thread!
I also have a doctor's appt around 4pm EST so pls bear with me guys! I think I have the flu ):

rEdo wrote:

rEdo wrote:

I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.

Let me corrent myself: {Jess, beeboy, {Hika | abraker}}. I just reminded myself of the fact that beeboy didn't even question Hika's counterclaim to me and voted me right off the bat.

rEdo wrote:

[*]beeboy. For some reason most people (myself included) assumed from the beginning of the game that beeboy is town. I've seen this happen way too many times (especially in the Hoenn Mafia) - a scum player posts nothing but accurate analysis at beginning of the day 1 and woo, he gets towncred for that. I have more reasons to believe he's scum than to believe he's town.[/list]
.

Hika wrote:

Jess on L-1 right?
I can hammer if everyone's ready to end the day in a few hours.

B1rd wrote:

Also Sakura, do you actually think Hika is scum? Because if you have a strong case, that's all well and good. But if you're just going to relentlessly pursue a small chance that she's scum when most others don't think so, I feel like that's just gonna break up the cohesion of town, especially when you're one of the most conftown at the moment and could take a strong leading role in scumhunting.

abraker wrote:

abraker wrote:

must have missed something. Who was questioning you?

I never got an answer to this iirc

Frostings wrote:

Also I briefly skimmed over the posts again
When I townread abraker over his tryhard diagrams, in retrospect it could actually be an easy way to convince others to vote the wrong people if town is dumb like me

Sakura wrote:

I did something like that back on Sunday.
But all people said is that her "townslip" made it impossible for her to be scum.
At the top of that post also showed a potential "scumslip" in the form of CCing as Mafia Goon.

I'm not 100% sure on her being scum, if anything it's more like... 50-60%, what i do know is that players always do something for a reason, whether the reason is subconcious or concious could heavily lead to alignment relevant information, which is why i still wonder "why did she CC as VT, when there wasn't a VT on either of the row or the column".
The same could be said about her constant rejecting of PRs using their abilities on her, and her false meta call that was later invalidated anyway before anyone investigated it in depth.

Sakura wrote:

What do you think of my theory that she saw Mafia Goon on the vertical line and thought it'd counterclaim you? Makes more sense to me since there's no VT on either line.

abraker wrote:

rEdo wrote:

You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though

I just did?

abraker wrote:

I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him.

Or are you referring to me saying anything back then and not now?

beeboy123 wrote:

Ok so as scum Hika would basically have no reason to commit to a counter claim on your bullet proof.
It isn't like you are a full bullet proof or a cop with a doctor still alive (literally anything that would be worth dying to get lynched) scum could literally just kill you N2 if you are a bullet proof and there is nothing anyone could do about it so I just made the assumption that Hika was the town in the situation in addition to the fact she sort of sorted some kind of PR.

Was I correct, no but to say I didn't question it when in my mind there was literally nothing to question is kinda silly.

beeboy123 wrote:

I would argue my reads are more then just factual analysis but meh.

beeboy123 wrote:

vote: jess
anyway I said I would do this so ima do this.

rEdo wrote:

Unfortunately I have to agree with Sakura on the fact that Jess' alignment is something we literally can't solve in any other way than lynching her. Even though like literally 3 people (myself included) said she's about to flip town.

Sakura wrote:

What im interested in is knowing what makes you say she's gonna flip town.

rEdo wrote:

Sakura wrote:

What im interested in is knowing what makes you say she's gonna flip town.

That self-vote thing triggered me to thinking she's frustrated that we scumread her so she self-voted.

Sakura wrote:

Do you have reasons to believe she wouldnt do this as scum?

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Sakura wrote:

B1rd wrote:

While we do have time, why do you two have a town read on Frostings? I had a scum read on him before, and I haven't analysed frosty's recent posts, but him being scum is still a possibility IMO.

Everything is always a possibility, I just think the chances are very unlikely. And my read on him comes entirely from Experience, specially coz i've been in his crosshairs several times in the past on games.

abraker wrote:

If Jess flips town, you are and Frosty will be in my watch list