Btw i'd still advise against putting Jess at L-1, she can self-hammer to cut off discussion before we hear from bee.
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-[Jess]- [3] - Sakura, B1rd, rEdo (L-2)
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [4] - Frostings, beeboy123, Hika, -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [3] - Sakura, B1rd, rEdo (L-2)
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [4] - Frostings, beeboy123, Hika, -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
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Because you would have been CC'd by now if you were scum. A bullet proof has no reason to not CC and I don't think a doc would value there action over lynching conf scum.rEdo wrote:
Beeboy, explain why do you think I'm conftown. Tell me who's scum.
I said I wasn't a mason 16 posts into the game so I didn't really do what you were saying at all.B1rd wrote:
Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.
I mean I am pretty sure I said Dawnsday was town all of day 1 so I am not exactly sure what I fence sat on.
And all I have done this day phase was the vote counter claim and ask people questions. I don't see how voting a counter claim is scummy and I don't know why you are referring to bandwagons as a plural when I haven't voted anyone else.
Like literally nothing you said is true.
I'd vote Jess for this considering she declared intent to hammer earlier so idk why she would suddenly think Dawnsday is at L-2.-[Jess]- wrote:
About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all
This is against the rules.B1rd wrote:
I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.
Uh anyway I kinda suck at catching up I think that was everything directed at me?
Anyway I'll post my reads in a bit.
Anyway I'll post my reads in a bit.
Hika - could be scum. I don't get the whole obbession with not wanting to be copped. The only time I have actually seen this happen with a town player before was when that player was a commuter and didn't want to claim ascetic cause they thought they could block a NK.
Sakura - I am pretty sure Sakura is town here. Pretty sure she would be more apathetic if she was scum in this game after a decently sized break from mafia. And as scum I find her reads to feel more like attempts at pushing people and doing things (like her read on me in musical mafia in that 1/2 day before she replaced out) rather then actual attempts at solving the game.
abraker - I don't think abraker is actually trying to push people for someone with such a high volume of posts. It is a scum tell for me when people have such a high volume of posts without ever really pushing people or changing the pace of the game. so he could also be scum.
-[Jess]- - I literally don't understand how Jess would think Dawnsday wasn't at L-1 when she declared intent on an earlier page.
Frostings - I think Frosting defending Hika isn't something scum would do, it's a defense that I'd imagine would bring on more questions and attention he wouldn't want. He is also generating content and moving the game forward so he is prolly town.
B1rd - I think B1rd's attempts of solving the game and the fact he is push me in general to develop his read is pretty town but I also think his read on me is total garbage which evens that out.
Sakura - I am pretty sure Sakura is town here. Pretty sure she would be more apathetic if she was scum in this game after a decently sized break from mafia. And as scum I find her reads to feel more like attempts at pushing people and doing things (like her read on me in musical mafia in that 1/2 day before she replaced out) rather then actual attempts at solving the game.
abraker - I don't think abraker is actually trying to push people for someone with such a high volume of posts. It is a scum tell for me when people have such a high volume of posts without ever really pushing people or changing the pace of the game. so he could also be scum.
-[Jess]- - I literally don't understand how Jess would think Dawnsday wasn't at L-1 when she declared intent on an earlier page.
Frostings - I think Frosting defending Hika isn't something scum would do, it's a defense that I'd imagine would bring on more questions and attention he wouldn't want. He is also generating content and moving the game forward so he is prolly town.
B1rd - I think B1rd's attempts of solving the game and the fact he is push me in general to develop his read is pretty town but I also think his read on me is total garbage which evens that out.
I'll vote Jess if no one has any problems in a decent chunk of hours. (like tomorrow morning
nice try
also my thoughts didn't change even after bboy' post sadly. So we're gonna wait until D3.
Still waitingHika wrote:
Also heads up, I'll have a list of reads when I get more posts from bboy.
yeah you can wait I'm at work
Buuuut for now I'm gonna say scum team is probably you and frosty
And btw I will have a better confirmation on that day 3
lol called it.Sakura wrote:
what's with the sudden OMGUS threat? Am I also going to suddenly turn to scummy for you as well? :^)Hika wrote:
Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)
stuff happens
I'm not gonna read/reply to everything at this point in time, but I've read every rule, and there is nothing that remotely pertains to this.beeboy123 wrote:
This is against the rules.B1rd wrote:
I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.
4.9 I'd be loopholing the prod system by abusing VLA.
Faking V/LA is against the rules yes. bee wouldnt do something like that.
lol wtf where did this come fromHika wrote:
Buuuut for now I'm gonna say scum team is probably you and frosty
Beeboy reads as town for me. Idk why a scum would want to fake a role to be questioned throughout the game later. That will be a handicap from the start. Also dawn claimed the fake role and turned town, so I can believe Beeboy is town despite the fake claim.
I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.
I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.
Also I don't really like where the reads are going
Many are automatically assuming Jess is scum
While there's obviously good reason to think that, I don't think anyone here can actually read her all that well
The ones reading her as scum are probably unprepared for a potential but unsurprising townflip from Jess and it's messing up a lot of the scumpartner reads
I would really like to take this game on in Day 3, but if Jess flips town and scum's not afk then it'd be MyLo on D3 already
Many are automatically assuming Jess is scum
While there's obviously good reason to think that, I don't think anyone here can actually read her all that well
The ones reading her as scum are probably unprepared for a potential but unsurprising townflip from Jess and it's messing up a lot of the scumpartner reads
I would really like to take this game on in Day 3, but if Jess flips town and scum's not afk then it'd be MyLo on D3 already
Also a thought.
If we are in a setup with a doctor, then unless the player protected self, then the player should 100% know the player they protected is townie
If we are in a setup with a doctor, then unless the player protected self, then the player should 100% know the player they protected is townie
An analysis in changes of town reads before and after the 1st day should hint whether rEdo is really bulletproof townie or not.
If the analysis does work, we might figure out a scum, a doctor, and a townie sEdo is not bulletproof townie
If the analysis does work, we might figure out a scum, a doctor, and a townie sEdo is not bulletproof townie
forgot "if" between townie and the sEdo typo
Doctor's cant protect themselves generally, but that's 100% the case on matrix 6 (and newbie games).
Why would a doctor fakeclaim 1shot BP? if rEdo's scum then he should've been counter claimed already, scum know who they shot (unless they no killed which is all sorts of wtf).
Why would a doctor fakeclaim 1shot BP? if rEdo's scum then he should've been counter claimed already, scum know who they shot (unless they no killed which is all sorts of wtf).
Hmm it didnt occure to me that if rEdo was fake claiming, then the actual bulletproof townie must have counter claimed by now since that townie has nothing loose (that townie would live when shot)
Alright so rEdo is confirmed town then?
Alright so rEdo is confirmed town then?
or the townie's a doctor (doctor can CC 1shot BP since they cant be together in the same setup).abraker wrote:
Hmm it didnt occure to me that if rEdo was fake claiming, then the actual bulletproof townie must have counter claimed by now since that townie has nothing loose (that townie would live when shot)
Alright so rEdo is confirmed town then?
rEdo's indeed conf town until someone CCs, and if someone flips town doctor or BP then... rEdo's pretty much confscum.
But i highly doubt anyone wouldnt have CC'd yet, and i'd take any CC to rEdo at this point as a scum claim because they've had all the time in the world to CC.
it doesn't make sense to fakeclaim anything at the start of Day 2 after the D1 and N1 events whether you're scum or town. rEdo is 99% telling the truth
It is a posibility. Denying possibilities will drive you away from the truth.
While i disagree that scum wouldnt fake claim at that point, i do think that town would've CC'd by now regardless.
While i disagree that scum wouldnt fake claim at that point, i do think that town would've CC'd by now regardless.
I have a townread on Hika. rEdo is conftown, and I'm getting good vibes from beeboy and Sakura
By PoE scum is among Jess abraker and B1rd from my PoV
By PoE scum is among Jess abraker and B1rd from my PoV
^abraker wrote:
I always fear that scum can be good at acting. I tend to ignore statements "scum wouldn't do x" or "x is not something scum would do" because of this.
By the way this is a good mindset to have, I remembered GIF mentioning something like that in lovers mafia, which im re-reading right now to compare Hika's scumgame from there to Hika's game here, just in case.
But when i came across this: p/4504905 and the followups it reminded me of what you said.
Hika wrote:
nah if I was scum I wouldn't have voted
keep it in mind
I kinda want to revisit these statements after re-reading lovers mafia.Hika wrote:
I'm live on a computer in a approximately 2 hours max.
I'll answer this for you shortly.
Mind you, the not voting thing is a 50% thing.
For starters the first statement turns out to be a lie, the 2nd statement completely invalidates the first with the 50% thing, since then it's not a meta tell, so why was it mentioned in the first place?
This also feels all kinds of wrong to me, i know bee already mentioned about hika being worried about investigatives on her, I don't see why it's pointless to protect her if she's town.Hika wrote:
literally said I don't care
I'm VT
believe it or not, if you're surprised I'm sorry
wasting an investigative check on me is pointless, and to a doctor, it's pointless to protect me
I don't do anything but vote. If me not being VT doesn't help then sorry but I literally claimed my role D1, all before this soooo
Then there's all her soft-defense / soft-attack switching with Jess and never commiting to either one, which is how some people feel with their scum partner specially if it's Jess.
The difference tho, her posts seemed to lack more dedication in lovers mafia, like less fire, could be the case of a different partner i guess (GIF was pretty much doing all the work back then), but it's something that could be alignment related.
Since I'm gonna get NK'd tonight, it's time for a proper readlist. But hey, I'm gonna pretty much reinvent the wheel here.
I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.
Unvote
Vote: beeboy123
I'd like everyone to rethink the Jess lynch. I started to doubt it's necessary.
- Sakura. I can't imagine her being scum. She seems to be genuinely trying to solve the game.
- B1rd. I'm getting nice town read vibes coming from B1rd. At first I was suspicious of him being scum, but that changed over time.
- Frostings' posts so far express a logic that's almost 1-1 to mine, literally nothing he wrote is something I don't agree with. Since I believe I have a town thinking, Frostings should be town as well. What is more, I can't really any arguments confirming he's scum.
- Hika seems to be sort of overprotective when it comes to herself, but that's pretty much how she played in the other games. That thing with her counter-claiming me as a VT seems to be a huge flaw in logic in townie's thinking. Hey, did you see that word? Yes, the one you're thinking of!
- Jess. Do I have to comment on this one?
- abraker seems to be a guy who incoherently tries to softpush certain people which actually are my townreads (Frostings, Hika), which of course means two things: he's either scum or I'm completely wrong at reading this game. I'm not convinced to his words though, especially considering he's been doing lots of posting that's not even necessary for the game to progress. I'd also like to note his inactivity on day 1 where his vote has already been placed on a town player and that haven't changed every since.
- beeboy. For some reason most people (myself included) assumed from the beginning of the game that beeboy is town. I've seen this happen way too many times (especially in the Hoenn Mafia) - a scum player posts nothing but accurate analysis at beginning of the day 1 and woo, he gets towncred for that. I have more reasons to believe he's scum than to believe he's town.
I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.
Unvote
Vote: beeboy123
I'd like everyone to rethink the Jess lynch. I started to doubt it's necessary.
Let me corrent myself: {Jess, beeboy, {Hika | abraker}}. I just reminded myself of the fact that beeboy didn't even question Hika's counterclaim to me and voted me right off the bat.rEdo wrote:
I see the scumteam in {Jess, beeboy, {Frostings | abraker}}. Jess is put in this set for complete safety, to be honest.
Well now that I have this mafia topic open on my phone and computer and I am subbed to the topic, I can't really miss it. My activity mirrors that ofthe rest of OT. Though I started shitposts slightly more after Jess recent posts just because I got intoxicated by the stupidity (couldn't take it seriously). I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him. I already told everyone why I am voting on Frostings and even challenged someone to argue my vote which nobody did.rEdo wrote:
. I'm not convinced to his words though, especially considering he's been doing lots of posting that's not even necessary for the game to progress. I'd also like to note his inactivity on day 1 where his vote has already been placed on a town player and that haven't changed every since.
By OT you mean Off-Topic?abraker wrote:
Well now that I have this mafia topic open on my phone and computer and I am subbed to the topic, I can't really miss it. My activity mirrors that ofthe rest of OT. Though I started shitposts slightly more after Jess recent posts just because I got intoxicated by the stupidity (couldn't take it seriously). I just chose my vote at random on day 1 based on judgement on an avatar and remained on Dawn because his stupidity mislead everyone including me to vote for him. I already told everyone why I am voting on Frostings and even challenged someone to argue my vote which nobody did.
You have never explained why your vote on Dawnsday stayed on him, though. At least I can't read that from your ISO instead of that one post where you pointed his flaws concerning him not being a new player. But that was more of a direct attack rather the in-game one.
Your vote on Frostings was indeed sort of ignored by the other players, which is worrying, but Frostings himself pretty much answered your every doubt and you haven't properly replied to him ever since.
afk for ~4-6h ive got classes
What do you think of my theory that she saw Mafia Goon on the vertical line and thought it'd counterclaim you? Makes more sense to me since there's no VT on either line.rEdo wrote:
[*]Hika-Snip- That thing with her counter-claiming me as a VT seems to be a huge flaw in logic in townie's thinking. Hey, did you see that word? Yes, the one you're thinking of!
This is why I can't pin point you both being scum because he would've probably said something against it. He meaning zexion.beeboy123 wrote:
4.9 I'd be loopholing the prod system by abusing VLA.