ExplainHika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town.
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I already explained it. I believe his claim, there is already no way he would claim it out of the blue.
And I thought my VT a wasn't a fill role (didn't realize he filled roles) and I tried to CC that. But I'm stupid.
Everyone's gonna claim they're town. I know I'm town. I'm just a plain old VT.
And I thought my VT a wasn't a fill role (didn't realize he filled roles) and I tried to CC that. But I'm stupid.
Everyone's gonna claim they're town. I know I'm town. I'm just a plain old VT.
So really at the end of the day, either he is creating WIFOM , by thinking he got hit and claiming that, OR
he could be really town as one shot BP but wasn't targeted due to scum's in activity, OR
his one shot was used up and he just really wanted us to know.
he could be really town as one shot BP but wasn't targeted due to scum's in activity, OR
his one shot was used up and he just really wanted us to know.
Sorry, Dawnsday had an RVS vote on him when I voted. That's totally as soon as people were getting suspiciousWhat is RVS?
If my incentive was to park my vote on a wagon, why would move my vote from Hika who already had more votes and more reason to have my vote on?Maybe Hika is mafia as well? Idk, whatever Hika is, it will be worth looking into once the red flags from your pasts stop blinding my eyes.
*pasts -> posts
You mention Dawnsday had had no notable points WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I voted him (which I mentioned three times now)Suppose I grant you that, but explain the post you threw out addressing nobody out of the blue.
Frostings wrote:
I voted Dawnsday because his posts up to my vote on him were all commentary with little analysis and initiative to find scum
also he keep using the "new to the game" card but I don't believe him
You are not.Hika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town.
Like I said - going by your logic, literally everyone could counterclaim me as VT. So hey, doesn't that make all 7 people (living except for me) conftown? Yay!
You're making things overcomplicated.Hika wrote:
So really at the end of the day, either he is creating WIFOM , by thinking he got hit and claiming that, OR
he could be really town as one shot BP but wasn't targeted due to scum's in activity, OR
his one shot was used up and he just really wanted us to know.
@mod: Two key players are on V/LA, I suggest prelonging this day to Feb 25th.
Topic Starter
rEdo wrote:
@mod: Two key players are on V/LA, I suggest prelonging this day to Feb 25th.
I considered it. Will ask for their opinion once they are back, no problems on my side.
Votecount 2.4
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on Feb 23th, 22:00 UTC.
Sakura and beeboy123 are V/LA until Feb 20th.
Vote me then if you don't think I'm town? lol.rEdo wrote:
You are not.Hika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town.
I stated my reads, you don't have to agree with them if you don't want to.
But I'm not voting you at all.
But I'm not voting you at all.
Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)
I didn't say you're not town, I just stated that you're not a confirmed one.
Nice threats, though. I like them.
Nice threats, though. I like them.
No problem. I like to stand my ground on things so you all know for sure what I think.
Unlike some people here
Unlike some people here
By saying 'I like them' I meant that you've earned yourself some discredit. OMGUS votes aren't seen as a thing townies would do.
He was responding to one of my posts.abraker wrote:
Suppose I grant you that, but explain the post you threw out addressing nobody out of the blue.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Random_Voteabraker wrote:
What is RVS?
There's a whole wiki for mafiascum, there really isn't any good reasons for people not to be aware of basic game mechanics at this point.
Did you mean pasta? hmm seems we have an Italian Mafiaso on you hands here. Oh yes I saw your scumslip, I'm on to you mate.abraker wrote:
*pasts -> posts
...
About frosty, I feel like he's been playing a bit weak but I wouldn't say he's definitely scum, mainly because if Sakura's meta analysis is correct (p/5812335/) then this is somewhat normal play for him. I'd be on board with bandwagoning him but he wouldn't be my first choice at the moment.
I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.
I didn't vote you just now so really what you're saying is irrelevant. I even told people not to vote you. Doesn't matter though. \:D/rEdo wrote:
By saying 'I like them' I meant that you've earned yourself some discredit. OMGUS votes aren't seen as a thing townies would do.
Still not voting you. You're just rxn testing me thus far and even if you say you're not, you clearly are.
Also, safe lynches would be frosty or Jess, I'll just state that again so you all know my opinion.
If I eat sushi pizza, does that make me an Italian yakuza scum?B1rd wrote:
Did you mean pasta? hmm seems we have an Italian Mafiaso on you hands here. Oh yes I saw your scumslip, I'm on to you mate.
Ah so you admit your guilt. Was getting caught part of your plan?abraker wrote:
If I eat sushi pizza, does that make me an Italian yakuza scum?
So... Hika thought there was only one VT in the game? Even after Tracker got flipped?
... It's actually a pretty convincing townslip, how can you even make this up as scum
... It's actually a pretty convincing townslip, how can you even make this up as scum
I was under the impression beeboy was being town read by manyB1rd wrote:
I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.
Where did this come from?
Shit you have me. I stole your sushi pizza while you were bashing at Frosting. I can buy you another one if you want.B1rd wrote:
Ah so you admit your guilt. Was getting caught part of your plan?abraker wrote:
If I eat sushi pizza, does that make me an Italian yakuza scum?
I voted Dawnsday because of his playstyle, but I didn't mention my reason because I didn't want him to just say "oh woops new player I'll play better", and wanted to get an actual reaction out of himabraker wrote:
You mention Dawnsday had had no notable points WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I voted him (which I mentioned three times now)Suppose I grant you that, but explain the post you threw out addressing nobody out of the blue.
Frostings wrote:
I voted Dawnsday because his posts up to my vote on him were all commentary with little analysis and initiative to find scum
also he keep using the "new to the game" card but I don't believe him
People were questioning my vote and so I explained it after people already had votes on him for similar reasons that I had
I must have missed something. Who was questioning you?Frostings wrote:
People were questioning my vote and so I explained it after people already had votes on him for similar reasons that I had
It's not my responsibility to read the thread for you. Everyone should do that themselves.Frostings wrote:
I was under the impression beeboy was being town read by many
Where did this come from?
^ sometimes it helps to quote if someone has missed something that you've said, otherwise if you didn't say it then you don't have to worry of it
Anyways I still am sure I didn't say bboy was town
Anyways I still am sure I didn't say bboy was town
It was one of my main points in my post p/5822470, sometimes you can miss small thing, but you can't of missed that. It just shows that frosty didn't bother to read it properly.
Considering I have townreads on quite a few people already, that just intensifies my focus on any scummy behaviour on the remaining people. Like, I may make mistakes sometimes, but I'd be extremely surprised if none of my scumreads were scum.
Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.So to recap my point about beeboy, he hasn't really done much, I mean he's asked a few questions but his posts just seem superficial without any serious conviction for finding scum. Read his ISO and you will see what I mean. He hasn't gotten his hands dirty and he's pretty much stayed in the sidelines.
So about this day 1 bandwagon analysis, it would seem typical if there was one scum on it, and one scum off of it, since IMO beeboy was a fence sitter for no good reason, and frosting inserted himself for no good reason, I think that the scum team is most likely beeboy + frosting
Considering I have townreads on quite a few people already, that just intensifies my focus on any scummy behaviour on the remaining people. Like, I may make mistakes sometimes, but I'd be extremely surprised if none of my scumreads were scum.
Also, idk maybe a few people have townread beeboy, ok looks like it's case closed then 
somebody say something
Sakura I waited. You never said anything. Why?
No ones saying anything because we are clearly waiting for bboy n Sakura.
Oh thanks for saying that. I neglected to read the last two pages and thought everyone decided they'd rather be a lurker.
Not in a mood to read anything today. Prod dodge. Waiting for tomorrow.
Forget to answer this
also sorry for make everyone get headache
It just my thought about your actionHika wrote:
Jess you literally summarized D2 thus far and didn't even do it properly.
Why wouldnt I want people to think I'm town?!!!!
Isn't that the point of mafia? For us to find the scum and to prove everyone's innocence?!
also sorry for make everyone get headache
Im still on Limited Activity but i found some time so i decided to put a post out, however it ended up being a Wallpost/Case kinda thing.
So i'm currently reading through everything that's going on and the back and forth between Frosty and Hika, Hika pretending to be confused sounds very legit, but then I ask this question, is there any possible proof that she's doing this? Idk where Frosty got that this could be a townslip from Hika, so we need to re-examine the turn of events that led to that confusion.
First of All:
Back in D1 Hika claimed VT unprompted, this has always been one of the most wtf momments that i've been wondering up until my post about the setup on D2, why does she care so much about claiming being VT if she's town that leaves scum with less night targets when PR Hunting, or they could be WIFOM'd by her claim.
Then with the post that caused actual confusion:
What's important here is that there is no VT on either of those 2, It's something that's been boggling my mind, why would Hika think a VT would counter anything in there. Which is another reason why i thought she was claiming something else other than VT, the only place you see VT is on 1 or B.
Next in the mod's setup post:
In addition, let's look back at one of Hika's posts during D1 when the thing about Masons with bee was going on:
p/5811147
Another thing bothering me about Hika is that back in D1 she said:
Not to mention she said:
I think rn the team is Hika/Jess
Now something about bee is that he likes to joke around a lot, plus i've never seen him use his mason fake claim as scum, however i've also never seen him do it in an Open game.
So i'm currently reading through everything that's going on and the back and forth between Frosty and Hika, Hika pretending to be confused sounds very legit, but then I ask this question, is there any possible proof that she's doing this? Idk where Frosty got that this could be a townslip from Hika, so we need to re-examine the turn of events that led to that confusion.
First of All:
Back in D1 Hika claimed VT unprompted, this has always been one of the most wtf momments that i've been wondering up until my post about the setup on D2, why does she care so much about claiming being VT if she's town that leaves scum with less night targets when PR Hunting, or they could be WIFOM'd by her claim.
Then with the post that caused actual confusion:
Was there any doubt those were the 2 possible setups? i even colored them and everything with the tracker flip.Sakura wrote:
Only possible setups atm are 3 and C, if rEdo's telling the truth then we're on C, Hika that claim came out of nowhere.
What's important here is that there is no VT on either of those 2, It's something that's been boggling my mind, why would Hika think a VT would counter anything in there. Which is another reason why i thought she was claiming something else other than VT, the only place you see VT is on 1 or B.
Next in the mod's setup post:
Regardless, the only vanilla role that appears on these 2 in the table itself is Mafia Goon.Zexion wrote:
After signups and before the game starts, I will choose randomly one of {A,B,C,1,2,3} and that will select which roles will appear, and after that it will be filled with Vanilla Townies and a Mafia Goon until we have a 7 town, 2 scum setup. The assignation of roles will be totallly randomized as well. (Meaning, I don't get to choose anything by myself).
In addition, let's look back at one of Hika's posts during D1 when the thing about Masons with bee was going on:
p/5811147
This implies she knows what a matrix 6 setup means and the fact that Masons arent in it. Then this happens: p/5812168Hika wrote:
Oh my fucking lord I'm stupid this is a matrix 6 setup wtf.
Another thing bothering me about Hika is that back in D1 she said:
And from there she only got a suppsed very high scumread on Dawn that she didt push too hard (As she says) and a conf town read on rEdo after everyone else was conf towning him for his claim: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Hika wrote:
anyways, why would i sit here and not say anything @sakura. i'm clearly going to express my reads when i do see something out of the ordinary, and i do think the fact that you think I'm literally going to 'wait for a slip' is totally weird
Not to mention she said:
And that read seems to have vanished into thin air ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ while soft defending Jess from abraker back in:Hika wrote:
Sakura you're my townread.
because you voted Jess.
Now here's some questions for Hika:Hika wrote:
Jess isn't scum though. She just plays like that all the time @abraker
So?, Scum are more likely to not push hard a wagon when the town is doing that job for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Hika wrote:
This doesn't even work here.
Literally everyone else was pushing him harder than me.
And you didnt push the "scummiest person playing at the momment and being even anti town" hard? i mean Jess is also the scummiest hammer ever and also even playing anti town and you're doing nothing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Hika wrote:
I didn't know he was town, he was the scummiest person playing at the moment, and he was even playing anti town!
Why me > Fry me, You're deflecting, and since your supposed defense is that Jess has given more bs reasons why arent YOU looking at her.Hika wrote:
Why do you keep looking at me when Jess has given more bs reasons
So we're midway through D2 and you only got a grand total of 1 town read? and it's even the safest town read?Hika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town. These are MY reads.
what's with the sudden OMGUS threat? Am I also going to suddenly turn to scummy for you as well? :^)Hika wrote:
Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)
I think rn the team is Hika/Jess
Now something about bee is that he likes to joke around a lot, plus i've never seen him use his mason fake claim as scum, however i've also never seen him do it in an Open game.
Topic Starter
I'll be doing a votecount and deliver prods in a few hours. Sorry for the inconveniences.
I didn't say I had only two reads? I said I was also reading bird town.
And where did I say you were scummy anywhere??? @sakura
And where did I say you were scummy anywhere??? @sakura
also vote me if you think I'm scum then?
You're looking too hard into my posts. Jess isn't cleared, I just can't give her a scumread if she doesn't post anything important because I can point fingers at you guys, who are already saying things and speaking up.
Also my :^) face is clearly a joke. Why the hell would I vote my town read for thinking I'm not town. If they think I'm not town, cool, they think I'm not town and I know my role. And if somehow I end up getting voted, I know who pushes me the hardest and I'd hope my town reads would figure out who scum is.
You're looking too hard into my posts. Jess isn't cleared, I just can't give her a scumread if she doesn't post anything important because I can point fingers at you guys, who are already saying things and speaking up.
Also my :^) face is clearly a joke. Why the hell would I vote my town read for thinking I'm not town. If they think I'm not town, cool, they think I'm not town and I know my role. And if somehow I end up getting voted, I know who pushes me the hardest and I'd hope my town reads would figure out who scum is.
Also I finally understand a Matrix 6 setup thanks to you!!!
And if you don't believe I was genuinely being stupid then thanks! I take it as a compliment. I thought he filled our roles based off of the chart, obviously but in a different way until your explanation in stupid people terms helped me figure out I can't counter claim anything even though Dawn flipped. Scum wouldn't be smart to fake claim or CC a confirmed town because it would bring them too much attention. I however, am not scum so it didn't even bother me at the slightest. I made a small mistake I reading the setup.
Also, I'm looking through rEdo's reads to see who he's scum reading instead of pointing fingers and thinking hard on a stupid CC.
And if you don't believe I was genuinely being stupid then thanks! I take it as a compliment. I thought he filled our roles based off of the chart, obviously but in a different way until your explanation in stupid people terms helped me figure out I can't counter claim anything even though Dawn flipped. Scum wouldn't be smart to fake claim or CC a confirmed town because it would bring them too much attention. I however, am not scum so it didn't even bother me at the slightest. I made a small mistake I reading the setup.
Also, I'm looking through rEdo's reads to see who he's scum reading instead of pointing fingers and thinking hard on a stupid CC.
Also heads up, I'll have a list of reads when I get more posts from bboy.
Ooh look, did anyone notice how Jess has two pages of ISO to read?
Love it.
Love it.
I would love to call attention to Hika getting focused only on my thinking she was faking confusion about the setup, and proceeding to ignore all the other points and my questions.
I will concede however that i may have misinterpreted her calling her and rEdo conftown as a full reads list, but still she doesnt mention reads anywhere so that's her own fault for me misinterpreting it.
Anyway that's all from me today, i'll be back in full tomorrow.
I will concede however that i may have misinterpreted her calling her and rEdo conftown as a full reads list, but still she doesnt mention reads anywhere so that's her own fault for me misinterpreting it.
Anyway that's all from me today, i'll be back in full tomorrow.
Totally answered your questions. If you don't like it, sorry... I don't give answers to please you or anyone else, I give answers to rationalize my thinking in the current moment.
Especially the one with Jess. I don't think she's town, nor scum, but she is nullscum because she only posted one thing after we all got on her. I'm fine with that PL.
I actually don't think Hika could make this up as scum
it doesn't really make sense to claim VT as scum on Day 1 and then push that onto Day 2 to try to "CC" a claimed BP in an open setup, especially after the Tracker flip
It's a pretty believable townslip, I'd be really really surprised if Hika flipped scum
it doesn't really make sense to claim VT as scum on Day 1 and then push that onto Day 2 to try to "CC" a claimed BP in an open setup, especially after the Tracker flip
It's a pretty believable townslip, I'd be really really surprised if Hika flipped scum
Did Hika actually claim VT on D1? Seemed like a joke to me. I also agree that it would be unlikely that Hika could pretend to townslip so much as scum.
I did claim VT. Because I thought the votes were mixed up.
Topic Starter
"I've never seen a mod being so mentioned in a non-bastard game"
Day 2 ends on Feb 23th, 22:00 UTC.
Sakura and beeboy123 are V/LA until Feb 20th.
Votecount 2.5
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on Feb 23th, 22:00 UTC.
Sakura and beeboy123 are V/LA until Feb 20th.
Sakura defends Frosting
Frosting defends Hika
Sakura attacks Hika
*Raises eyebrow*
Frosting defends Hika
Sakura attacks Hika
*Raises eyebrow*
Sigh,the dead is real
Will post some of my thought on this tmr since I am tried
Will post some of my thought on this tmr since I am tried
smh.
I'm at work and I have class right after. I'll be happy to respond when the people who we've said needed to post, decides to post. Smh.
Some people were supposedly waiting for me and only Hika and abraker ever replied.
Hmm...
Hmm...
Oh wait Frosty and B1rd did as well
Actually I think you posted a good amount. I was referring to bboy and Jess.
I'm sort of just waiting to hear what other people think over my comments about beeboy being scummy
My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.
I already got your opinions on Hika.
Topic Starter
@Sakura, beeboy: do you consider a 24h day extention neccesary?
Frostings has been prodded.
rEdo has been prodded.
Day 2 ends on Feb 23th, 22:00 UTC.
Sakura and beeboy123's V/LA are over. Prod timer is reset for beeboy123.
Votecount 2.6
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Frostings has been prodded.
rEdo has been prodded.
Day 2 ends on Feb 23th, 22:00 UTC.
Sakura and beeboy123's V/LA are over. Prod timer is reset for beeboy123.
I have no reason to believe Jess is scum either unfortunately. She is a hard readSakura wrote:
My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.
But did she screw up with voting for someone like that before? Better question is she always this clueless about what is going on?
Zexion wrote:
@Sakura, beeboy: do you consider a 24h day extention neccesary?
Based on what I've read, people are going everywhere and there's no cohesion.
So i'd say yes to that extension.
The former, i think she has, but i cant recall. The later, yes. I cannot say whether it's true she's clueless or just pretending tho, since it always comes across as such, but i have no way to know what's going in her head.abraker wrote:
I have no reason to believe Jess is scum either unfortunately. She is a hard readSakura wrote:
My current main question is "Does anyone have any reason to believe Jess is town?"
I already got your opinions on Hika.
But did she screw up with voting for someone like that before? Better question is she always this clueless about what is going on?
From experience we should be reaching a consensus by the time there's 48h left on the clock, to have enough time to analyze anything left over or in case a player turns out to town it up when being roped.
As people say, alignment is much easier to read at the face of pressure.
Btw for some reason i thought it was 4 to lynch and not 5 to lynch i completely forgot about the lack of death during the night.
As people say, alignment is much easier to read at the face of pressure.
Btw for some reason i thought it was 4 to lynch and not 5 to lynch i completely forgot about the lack of death during the night.
But seriously we have about a lil less than 3 days remaining with 5 people not voting, one of those not even being around yet. Assuming bee's town, that means there's 7 votes 2 of which are scum that are currently active, and that means that EVERY SINGLE TOWN PLAYER must vote to lynch.
I hope bee comes around and gives some insight sooner or later. I'd also like the people not voting to put their vote somewhere.
I hope bee comes around and gives some insight sooner or later. I'd also like the people not voting to put their vote somewhere.
I'd like to lynch Jess today, she's probably the safest bet
We have a free lynch right now so it'll save us the trouble of having choosing between her and someone else later on when it actually matters
We have a free lynch right now so it'll save us the trouble of having choosing between her and someone else later on when it actually matters
Though I'd like to hear what she has to say-[Jess]- wrote:
Sigh,the dead is real
Will post some of my thought on this tmr since I am tried
Actually, why are you saying it's dead when we had a ton of content @ Jess
you're not even trying anymore
you're not even trying anymore
I was hoping that was a typo much like many other things she writesHika wrote:
Actually, why are you saying it's dead when we had a ton of content @ Jess
you're not even trying anymore
I'm *pretty* sure a policy lynch on Jess is an alright move for us today. I'm tired of her not talking.
Vote: -[Jess]-
Sorry for my inactivity earlier, was busy with a job talk.
Vote: -[Jess]-
Sorry for my inactivity earlier, was busy with a job talk.
Still feel uncomfortable voting on Jesse due to the lack of info. I am staying on Frostings unless I get evidence that is as good or better than what I got for him.
Also it kinda feels weird that nobody questioned my vote in him. Can somebody at least point out if I have any faults in my reasoning?
Also it kinda feels weird that nobody questioned my vote in him. Can somebody at least point out if I have any faults in my reasoning?
Because everyone won't listen of my word,they just want to get a "safe lynch" for me and help scum to lynch a townHika wrote:
Actually, why are you saying it's dead when we had a ton of content @ Jess
you're not even trying anymore
Two of people voted reason is because my vote in D1 make them think it is a scum move and My action in past make them think they should PL Jess again is a right move.they just saying whom player are scum for them and still want to vote me.Just why would you think it's is a right move to lynch a town player?why don't you vote the one that you think it is more scummy than me?
I had to read this twice to full understand.-[Jess]- wrote:
Because everyone won't listen of my word,they just want to get a "safe lynch" for me and help scum to lynch a town
Two of people voted reason is because my vote in D1 make them think it is a scum move and My action in past make them think they should PL Jess again is a right move.they just saying whom player are scum for them and still want to vote me.Just why would you think it's is a right move to lynch a town player?why don't you vote the one that you think it is more scummy than me?
Because:
a) You're not contributing at all. We are listening, and we want to listen to you, but it just seems like you have nothing constructive to say.
b) You hammered without even talking to anyone about this (I know you posted a few hours earlier you're gonna hammer if nobody else does)
c) The reason people vote you over the people they find scummy is to (quoting Frostings here) "save us a headache later". The behavior from b) is an outright scum move or a vanillia idiot one. So even if you actually do flip town, it's at least going to make the game progress instead of stagnating like it's happening right now. But I guess it's not just because of you, but because of bboy's inactivity.
My reads are not as clear as I want them to be, that's why my vote sits on you.
I would say something, but rEdo's pretty much said what i wanted to say.
Only thing to add is Jess you keep saying PL this, PL that, you made something scum would do, and are doing something scum does (lots of words, zero contribution, just being self preserving, not scumhunting). In your eyes, why should I believe you're town when you've been acting like scum does? from my PoV you have higher chance of flipping scum than town.
Only thing to add is Jess you keep saying PL this, PL that, you made something scum would do, and are doing something scum does (lots of words, zero contribution, just being self preserving, not scumhunting). In your eyes, why should I believe you're town when you've been acting like scum does? from my PoV you have higher chance of flipping scum than town.
So that all my fault for not contribute enough ,I can understand that why it's all happen to me and since I am very terrible at say out of my thoughts
vote:Jess If you want to
vote:Jess If you want to
...well you're not gonna do yourself any favours by self-voting and sulking (or town, for that matter). Jess, maybe you should consider that if you made more of an effort to improve your gameplay you wouldn't always end up in situations like this in the first place.
Zexion wrote:
@Sakura, beeboy: do you consider a 24h day extention neccesary?
I'll post tonight once I can put time into this game without worrying about needing to do anything else.
I should have posted last night but I forgot oops?
No hammer until I am back pls.
What's funny is that while that is a self-vote related topic some of the things pointed out such as:
Can apply pretty much to most of what Jess does.Thor665 wrote:
Why should I be allowed to get away with that? Why should town need to try to sort out whether someone is a derp town or a vile scum just due to a single vote?
I ain't hammering that due to wanting to hear bboy.
Afterward, we can hammer her because sulking ain't gonna save your "town" behind at the end of the day.
Afterward, we can hammer her because sulking ain't gonna save your "town" behind at the end of the day.
Jess, why...-[Jess]- wrote:
So that all my fault for not contribute enough ,I can understand that why it's all happen to me and since I am very terrible at say out of my thoughts
vote:Jess If you want to
Either you are a scum who now sees no way out
Or you are the second most unfortunate and extremely stupid townie
Dawnsday, I assume.
Jess takes the cake because she hammered him without explanantion, actually.
Sorry for getting emotional
unvote
unvote
Btw i'd still advise against putting Jess at L-1, she can self-hammer to cut off discussion before we hear from bee.
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Votecount 2.7
-[Jess]- [3] - Sakura, B1rd, rEdo (L-2)
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [4] - Frostings, beeboy123, Hika, -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [3] - Sakura, B1rd, rEdo (L-2)
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [4] - Frostings, beeboy123, Hika, -[Jess]-
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
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Because you would have been CC'd by now if you were scum. A bullet proof has no reason to not CC and I don't think a doc would value there action over lynching conf scum.rEdo wrote:
Beeboy, explain why do you think I'm conftown. Tell me who's scum.
I said I wasn't a mason 16 posts into the game so I didn't really do what you were saying at all.B1rd wrote:
Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.
I mean I am pretty sure I said Dawnsday was town all of day 1 so I am not exactly sure what I fence sat on.
And all I have done this day phase was the vote counter claim and ask people questions. I don't see how voting a counter claim is scummy and I don't know why you are referring to bandwagons as a plural when I haven't voted anyone else.
Like literally nothing you said is true.
I'd vote Jess for this considering she declared intent to hammer earlier so idk why she would suddenly think Dawnsday is at L-2.-[Jess]- wrote:
About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all
This is against the rules.B1rd wrote:
I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.
Uh anyway I kinda suck at catching up I think that was everything directed at me?
Anyway I'll post my reads in a bit.
Anyway I'll post my reads in a bit.
Hika - could be scum. I don't get the whole obbession with not wanting to be copped. The only time I have actually seen this happen with a town player before was when that player was a commuter and didn't want to claim ascetic cause they thought they could block a NK.
Sakura - I am pretty sure Sakura is town here. Pretty sure she would be more apathetic if she was scum in this game after a decently sized break from mafia. And as scum I find her reads to feel more like attempts at pushing people and doing things (like her read on me in musical mafia in that 1/2 day before she replaced out) rather then actual attempts at solving the game.
abraker - I don't think abraker is actually trying to push people for someone with such a high volume of posts. It is a scum tell for me when people have such a high volume of posts without ever really pushing people or changing the pace of the game. so he could also be scum.
-[Jess]- - I literally don't understand how Jess would think Dawnsday wasn't at L-1 when she declared intent on an earlier page.
Frostings - I think Frosting defending Hika isn't something scum would do, it's a defense that I'd imagine would bring on more questions and attention he wouldn't want. He is also generating content and moving the game forward so he is prolly town.
B1rd - I think B1rd's attempts of solving the game and the fact he is push me in general to develop his read is pretty town but I also think his read on me is total garbage which evens that out.
Sakura - I am pretty sure Sakura is town here. Pretty sure she would be more apathetic if she was scum in this game after a decently sized break from mafia. And as scum I find her reads to feel more like attempts at pushing people and doing things (like her read on me in musical mafia in that 1/2 day before she replaced out) rather then actual attempts at solving the game.
abraker - I don't think abraker is actually trying to push people for someone with such a high volume of posts. It is a scum tell for me when people have such a high volume of posts without ever really pushing people or changing the pace of the game. so he could also be scum.
-[Jess]- - I literally don't understand how Jess would think Dawnsday wasn't at L-1 when she declared intent on an earlier page.
Frostings - I think Frosting defending Hika isn't something scum would do, it's a defense that I'd imagine would bring on more questions and attention he wouldn't want. He is also generating content and moving the game forward so he is prolly town.
B1rd - I think B1rd's attempts of solving the game and the fact he is push me in general to develop his read is pretty town but I also think his read on me is total garbage which evens that out.
I'll vote Jess if no one has any problems in a decent chunk of hours. (like tomorrow morning
nice try
also my thoughts didn't change even after bboy' post sadly. So we're gonna wait until D3.
Still waitingHika wrote:
Also heads up, I'll have a list of reads when I get more posts from bboy.
yeah you can wait I'm at work
Buuuut for now I'm gonna say scum team is probably you and frosty