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Hika
@bird

just check out your first few posts and try to argue to me why you wouldn't be.
it's not as bad as dawn townreading jess after one post lol
B1rd
I'm not sure really, my first post was pretty much a joke, but it seems whenever I joke people make all sorts of wild implication from them.

@Dawnsday may you find more peace in the next life

Talking about implications, I'm sure there are plenty to be made from this lynch, though I guess I'll wait to the next day to theorise. Honestly with this game, trying to figure out the implications of all the posts and possible scenarios just makes my thoughts go off on tangents and get convoluted and confusing.
Dawns
Anyway making use of this twilight.
Thanks B1rd, I'm sure I will.

Hika is easiest to confirm as VT
B1rd I'm assuming is town. Could be a 4D chess player since I know he's a Trump fan :^
Sakura is just straight up confusing to get a solid read on. N/A for my guess. Still null here.
Jess, ...
rEdo, unusually quiet :d
Frostings, motivations seem all over the place.
beeboy, I'm still convinced this is town. TP on him, if you're doubtful I understand :p
abraker, parked on me over my avatar (it is evil tho so yea I get that.) Still confused over his
No need to try defending yourself. It will only bring suffering.
but hey I guess he was right.

Anyway, D2 someone draw up EVERY players communication with EVERY other player. I feel there may be discrepancies here. Put in some context too.
abraker
wtf Jesse. WHY

Jesse didn't even stop to consider we were still deciding.

Dude just saying you know why is not enough. You got some explaining to do is Dawn turns out townie. And even more explaininh if I end up dead overnight.
abraker
That or Jesse is dumber than. dawnsday and didn't even look at backlog
Dawns
Lol I will turn townie. I'm townie tracker.

But yea Jess just says "i know why" hits the hammer and yea im donezo. I think this is either blatant maf or town got very unlucky by having 2 very dumb people be townie
abraker

abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

nah if I was scum I wouldn't have voted

keep it in mind
Pending proof from previous mafia games
don't forget
Hika
Haven't forgotten, I read ISOs daily
just cbf to get on my laptop at work
abraker

B1rd wrote:

But abraker, I would like it if you could redo your posts, I'm not sure what implications you're making, I'm not sure what you mean when you said 'I threw out two posts', nad you're chart is sort of complicated to read.
Now that Jesse answered, I can tell

The first post I threw out is an attempt to move Sakura towards a side by requesting an explanation on why Dawnsday is scum. I got a neutral answer and concluded that Sakura will need to be pressured to vote on D2 whether it will be a bad or good thing to show more contrast. Just giving townreads might be just one side of Sakura 's story.

The second post I threw out is questioning Jesse why Beeboy is townie. Now this is an attack from two sides and I did get the reaction I was expecting but also got something I did not expect. First, like Sakura I pressured Jesse to shift towards a side. Spark some movement. Second, Beeboy appears on most town reads, which is kinda suspicious if you ask me. Finally, and the most intriguing thing, there were people defending that they never read Beeboy as townie which might say something in that regard.

I still need to make sense of the results, but now I got some tasty flavors to work with
B1rd
I'm also waiting on a response from rEdo about Sakura, and I'm waiting for Sakura to respond to a post in which I implicated her, which she seemed not to bother to respond to for some reason. Also Hika, maybe you can elaborate on how she is acting different from usual this game.

For some reason rEdo hasn't been on for 45 hours, I assume rEdo has RL stuff but that's still pretty poor form. And about jess, that's a bit of headache... I think we can deal with that next the next day.
abraker

-[Jess]- wrote:


Why townread but no sucmread
this not a game to find who is town

abraker wrote:

This a game to find the truth you knucklehead

you can a learn a thing or two from cumulative town reads. Now why do you want to know who is thinking who is scum or not?

The scumread of D1 was Dawnsday. Why to ask for anything else is beyond me, especially since you unconditionally agreed in you most recent posts
Sakura
OMFG WTF JESS D2 MY VOTE IS GOING TO YOU AND IS NEVER MOVING.
Sakura

B1rd wrote:

I'm also waiting on a response from rEdo about Sakura, and I'm waiting for Sakura to respond to a post in which I implicated her, which she seemed not to bother to respond to for some reason. Also Hika, maybe you can elaborate on how she is acting different from usual this game.

For some reason rEdo hasn't been on for 45 hours, I assume rEdo has RL stuff but that's still pretty poor form. And about jess, that's a bit of headache... I think we can deal with that next the next day.
I'm not sure what post you're referring to, all I remember is you asking rEdo about me playing different than usual.
Sakura
I don't know if you want my MS Alt meta or what, but sure i can provide that, im just not sure if you're interested on meta diving that or not:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=26607
B1rd
p/5815668

This was the post. Though I won't be doing much more analysing today, I'll be going to bed soon.
Sakura

B1rd wrote:

There's always the chance of mislynches, but at the end of the day, you have to press on against the most likely person. What you say is plausible, but frankly, you're still just giving yourself license to hang back and stay out of the line-of-fire while being everyone's friend with town reads. In my experience, being neutral and not trying to seek out scum, especially on D1, isn't townie behaviour.

@rEdo, you mentioned that Sakura is playing different from usual, could you elaborate on this?
Oh this.
Yeah well i got that a lot on the alt, but everyone got used to my new playstyle there.
Someone even called it Reverse scumhunting lol.
beeboy123

Sakura wrote:

OMFG WTF JESS D2 MY VOTE IS GOING TO YOU AND IS NEVER MOVING.
I mean she did declare intent pages ago to be fair or do you have other reasons to think she is scum?
Sakura
Except she said she didnt want to hammer him Oo
beeboy123

-[Jess]- wrote:

Now I know why draw is scum
what do you mean by this Jess o3o
beeboy123
Sorry I missed that part Sakura.
Topic Starter
Zexion

Hika wrote:

@MOD: Can you do an accurate vote count to make sure dawn didn't get rekt
Do you mean my votecounts are unreliable? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

(Anyways, I did a double check to be sure)


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Huh? They already decided?!

Votecount 1.4 (D1 Final)
Dawnsday [5] - abrake, Frostings, rEdo, Hika, -[Jess]- (LYNCH)
Hika [1] - beeboy123
B1rd [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Frostings [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
rEdo [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Dawnsday, Sakura, B1rd
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.


A lynch has been achieved. Scene coming soon.
Dawns
Hika
^ you're amazing tbh
Topic Starter
Zexion
The town decided Dawnsday was guilty for defending himself, and was quickly lynched. He did seem shady anyways - he always followed people and was fantastic at not being noticed, but he actually used his abilities for good.

The town seemed satisfied anyways. The broke up the meeting and went to see the poor mayor.

But it didn't seem this was over.


Dawnsday, Town Tracker, was lynched Day 1.

It is now Night 1. It ends 48 hours after this post, that is, February 15th, 10:00 PM UTC.
All actions are due to my inbox until that timeline.
Topic Starter
Zexion
Sidenote: I know the ruleset says 36 hours for night, however due to the real life (work) I am unable to end the night at such hour. That's why the deadline is 48 hours, as 24 would be too short. Thanks for your understanding.
Topic Starter
Zexion
"As day came, a person was missing from the town meeting. A body was found in the middle of the streets....

No wait, that's the book I'm reading. Everyone is pretty much fine and accounted for this day's meeting... well.. except Dawnday.

Was the bomb thing a prank? People didn't think so, as the mayor was still seriously injured, and were looking already for others culprits."


No one died Night 1.

It is now Day 2. It ends 8 days after this post, that is, Thursday, February 23th, 10:00 PM UTC.


Votecount 2.0 (Day 2 Start)
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Frostings [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
rEdo [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [8] - Hika, Sakura, -[Jess]-, abraker , Frostings , B1rd, beeboy123, rEdo
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
abraker
mafia tried to get bulletproof townie?
rEdo
Dear God why all the RETARDED stuff happens when I have other things in mind...

Claim: 1-Shot Bulletproof

Proper post in a second.
abraker

Hika wrote:

Alright, if I don't vote you, you'll investigate me?
I prefer you not to because I'm VANILLA TOWNIE.
Makes me curious why the mafia didn't bother with you then...
rEdo
Alright. This is a highly subjective thing, but I would like to address it here and now.

abraker wrote:

Going to bed. Will be around 7pm EST

Need -[Jesse]-'s response

So far by the looks of it, -[Jesse]- might be mafia trying to be silent and out of trouble by voting Dawnsday. It may be a good way avert eyes on you especially if everybody is convinced that person you are voting for is mafia.

Frostings is a compulsive doo-hikey. Sporadically votes based on latest developments. Aka doesnt have an opinion. Playing mind tricks on him might suffice. Can't read him

B1rd is as objective as me. Can't read

Honestly I voted for Dawnsday just because of his evil like avatar. Needless, to say he dug himself into a hole and will need better justification to get out. At least he should explain why someone else is mafia dammit. Also waiting for his response of my showing evidence of his lies. I think he is the safest vote.

Sakura needs to be pushed to vote for somebody. Can't read.

rEdo, Beeboy123, and Hika you guys have been more active, so I will need to figure you guys out tommorow.

I would consider to unvote Dawnsday just to see who else may try to jump on him, but not declaring that beforehand may be a rather unwise decision on my part. And now that I do declare, that action would be pointless.
I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.

I also start to question beeboy's alignment due to him getting too silent when the lynch occured. But hey, the same argument applies to me then xd

Jess, why did you hammer Dawnsday. Just what the fuck, we weren't even done with discussion. If I had been on the forum the moment you said you're gonna hammer, or at least hours after that, I would unvote >_> Don't take it too personally, but why do you even bother signing up to these games if you're not even reading what we're doing here?
rEdo

rEdo wrote:

I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.
Reading Jess as scum doesn't count to me. She's playing terrible both as town and as scum.
abraker

rEdo wrote:

rEdo wrote:

I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.
Reading Jess as scum doesn't count to me. She's playing terrible both as town and as scum.
I didn't point anyone else as town either. There are a handful of people here I can't read. However, I shouldn't make up excuses for Hika and Beeboy. I need to look over their data asap. Also Hika's response to my previous statement will be important
abraker
Also I didn't read Jesse as scum but only provoked the thought. I don't give readings unless I have evidence to back things up
Hika

abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

Alright, if I don't vote you, you'll investigate me?
I prefer you not to because I'm VANILLA TOWNIE.
Makes me curious why the mafia didn't bother with you then...
Because they're not gonna waste their breath on me.
They're just causing WIFOM because I can't get anyone to check me.

If there is an investigative role, please crumb.
Crumb cleverly if you can, at least.
abraker
Is that an official claim though?
Hika
Scum is good at framing people right now. This isn't anything new. If someone you thought was scum didn't end up getting NK'd, then your first suspicion is because I'm scum and your second thought would be, since I claimed my role, I should've died first.

No. Scum believes my claim at least 75%. Had I been an important role, I wouldn't have fake claimed and taken the risk for claiming.
Scum doesn't want to kill a VT unless they are swaying town to a proper day lynch. They will simply take me last or just hope you all lynch me out.
Sakura

rEdo wrote:

Jess, why did you hammer Dawnsday. Just what the fuck, we weren't even done with discussion. If I had been on the forum the moment you said you're gonna hammer, or at least hours after that, I would unvote >_> Don't take it too personally, but why do you even bother signing up to these games if you're not even reading what we're doing here?
As i said to bee yesterday, she said the opposite of wanting to hammer, then just came and said "now i see why dawn's scum" and hammered without declaring any sort of intent.

Vote: Jess
Hika
Claim: VT
bold is the only way to be official apparently.
Hika
Sakura wtf
Hika

abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

nah if I was scum I wouldn't have voted

keep it in mind
Pending proof from previous mafia games
I'm live on a computer in a approximately 2 hours max.
I'll answer this for you shortly.

Mind you, the not voting thing is a 50% thing.
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