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Newbie Game 15: Rise From The Ashes [Game over!]

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B1rd
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There's hasn't been any unvotes that I can see since the last vote count where Dawnsday was at L-1, so he's is pretty much confirmed lynched at this point.

Dawnsday wrote:

B1rd didn't vote me, take him as town. imo. All his posts have given me Townie agenda vibes
To be fair, I said I would have voted you but I didn't because it was L-1. Since it seems you're town, sorry for the mislynch, even if it was partly your fault. Well, now you know at least not to make the same mistakes in the future.

Hika wrote:

Oh, bird has always been town to me. I don't see how he couldn't be
lol, I'm not gonna complain about a townread, but I'm not sure how you can feel so strongly, I don't think you can just rule anyone out so early in the game.
Wiwi_
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"partly" no it was all my fault and I am sorry to town. Emotional stress tilted me irl and I fully take my own blame, even if I made true claims it is still my fault.
Hika
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@bird

just check out your first few posts and try to argue to me why you wouldn't be.
it's not as bad as dawn townreading jess after one post lol
B1rd
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I'm not sure really, my first post was pretty much a joke, but it seems whenever I joke people make all sorts of wild implication from them.

@Dawnsday may you find more peace in the next life

Talking about implications, I'm sure there are plenty to be made from this lynch, though I guess I'll wait to the next day to theorise. Honestly with this game, trying to figure out the implications of all the posts and possible scenarios just makes my thoughts go off on tangents and get convoluted and confusing.
Wiwi_
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Anyway making use of this twilight.
Thanks B1rd, I'm sure I will.

Hika is easiest to confirm as VT
B1rd I'm assuming is town. Could be a 4D chess player since I know he's a Trump fan :^
Sakura is just straight up confusing to get a solid read on. N/A for my guess. Still null here.
Jess, ...
rEdo, unusually quiet :d
Frostings, motivations seem all over the place.
beeboy, I'm still convinced this is town. TP on him, if you're doubtful I understand :p
abraker, parked on me over my avatar (it is evil tho so yea I get that.) Still confused over his
No need to try defending yourself. It will only bring suffering.
but hey I guess he was right.

Anyway, D2 someone draw up EVERY players communication with EVERY other player. I feel there may be discrepancies here. Put in some context too.
abraker
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wtf Jesse. WHY

Jesse didn't even stop to consider we were still deciding.

Dude just saying you know why is not enough. You got some explaining to do is Dawn turns out townie. And even more explaininh if I end up dead overnight.
abraker
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That or Jesse is dumber than. dawnsday and didn't even look at backlog
Wiwi_
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Lol I will turn townie. I'm townie tracker.

But yea Jess just says "i know why" hits the hammer and yea im donezo. I think this is either blatant maf or town got very unlucky by having 2 very dumb people be townie
abraker
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abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

nah if I was scum I wouldn't have voted

keep it in mind
Pending proof from previous mafia games
don't forget
Hika
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Hika
Haven't forgotten, I read ISOs daily
just cbf to get on my laptop at work
abraker
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B1rd wrote:

But abraker, I would like it if you could redo your posts, I'm not sure what implications you're making, I'm not sure what you mean when you said 'I threw out two posts', nad you're chart is sort of complicated to read.
Now that Jesse answered, I can tell

The first post I threw out is an attempt to move Sakura towards a side by requesting an explanation on why Dawnsday is scum. I got a neutral answer and concluded that Sakura will need to be pressured to vote on D2 whether it will be a bad or good thing to show more contrast. Just giving townreads might be just one side of Sakura 's story.

The second post I threw out is questioning Jesse why Beeboy is townie. Now this is an attack from two sides and I did get the reaction I was expecting but also got something I did not expect. First, like Sakura I pressured Jesse to shift towards a side. Spark some movement. Second, Beeboy appears on most town reads, which is kinda suspicious if you ask me. Finally, and the most intriguing thing, there were people defending that they never read Beeboy as townie which might say something in that regard.

I still need to make sense of the results, but now I got some tasty flavors to work with
B1rd
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I'm also waiting on a response from rEdo about Sakura, and I'm waiting for Sakura to respond to a post in which I implicated her, which she seemed not to bother to respond to for some reason. Also Hika, maybe you can elaborate on how she is acting different from usual this game.

For some reason rEdo hasn't been on for 45 hours, I assume rEdo has RL stuff but that's still pretty poor form. And about jess, that's a bit of headache... I think we can deal with that next the next day.
abraker
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-[Jess]- wrote:


Why townread but no sucmread
this not a game to find who is town

abraker wrote:

This a game to find the truth you knucklehead

you can a learn a thing or two from cumulative town reads. Now why do you want to know who is thinking who is scum or not?

The scumread of D1 was Dawnsday. Why to ask for anything else is beyond me, especially since you unconditionally agreed in you most recent posts
Sakura
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OMFG WTF JESS D2 MY VOTE IS GOING TO YOU AND IS NEVER MOVING.
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B1rd wrote:

I'm also waiting on a response from rEdo about Sakura, and I'm waiting for Sakura to respond to a post in which I implicated her, which she seemed not to bother to respond to for some reason. Also Hika, maybe you can elaborate on how she is acting different from usual this game.

For some reason rEdo hasn't been on for 45 hours, I assume rEdo has RL stuff but that's still pretty poor form. And about jess, that's a bit of headache... I think we can deal with that next the next day.
I'm not sure what post you're referring to, all I remember is you asking rEdo about me playing different than usual.
Sakura
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I don't know if you want my MS Alt meta or what, but sure i can provide that, im just not sure if you're interested on meta diving that or not:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=26607
B1rd
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p/5815668

This was the post. Though I won't be doing much more analysing today, I'll be going to bed soon.
Sakura
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B1rd wrote:

There's always the chance of mislynches, but at the end of the day, you have to press on against the most likely person. What you say is plausible, but frankly, you're still just giving yourself license to hang back and stay out of the line-of-fire while being everyone's friend with town reads. In my experience, being neutral and not trying to seek out scum, especially on D1, isn't townie behaviour.

@rEdo, you mentioned that Sakura is playing different from usual, could you elaborate on this?
Oh this.
Yeah well i got that a lot on the alt, but everyone got used to my new playstyle there.
Someone even called it Reverse scumhunting lol.
beeboy123
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Sakura wrote:

OMFG WTF JESS D2 MY VOTE IS GOING TO YOU AND IS NEVER MOVING.
I mean she did declare intent pages ago to be fair or do you have other reasons to think she is scum?
Sakura
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Except she said she didnt want to hammer him Oo
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-[Jess]- wrote:

Now I know why draw is scum
what do you mean by this Jess o3o
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Sorry I missed that part Sakura.
Zexion
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Hika wrote:

@MOD: Can you do an accurate vote count to make sure dawn didn't get rekt
Do you mean my votecounts are unreliable? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

(Anyways, I did a double check to be sure)

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Huh? They already decided?!

Votecount 1.4 (D1 Final)
Dawnsday [5] - abrake, Frostings, rEdo, Hika, -[Jess]- (LYNCH)
Hika [1] - beeboy123
B1rd [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Frostings [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
rEdo [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Dawnsday, Sakura, B1rd
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.


A lynch has been achieved. Scene coming soon.
Wiwi_
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Hika
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^ you're amazing tbh
Zexion
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The town decided Dawnsday was guilty for defending himself, and was quickly lynched. He did seem shady anyways - he always followed people and was fantastic at not being noticed, but he actually used his abilities for good.

The town seemed satisfied anyways. The broke up the meeting and went to see the poor mayor.

But it didn't seem this was over.

Dawnsday, Town Tracker, was lynched Day 1.

It is now Night 1. It ends 48 hours after this post, that is, February 15th, 10:00 PM UTC.
All actions are due to my inbox until that timeline.
Zexion
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Sidenote: I know the ruleset says 36 hours for night, however due to the real life (work) I am unable to end the night at such hour. That's why the deadline is 48 hours, as 24 would be too short. Thanks for your understanding.
Zexion
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"As day came, a person was missing from the town meeting. A body was found in the middle of the streets....

No wait, that's the book I'm reading. Everyone is pretty much fine and accounted for this day's meeting... well.. except Dawnday.

Was the bomb thing a prank? People didn't think so, as the mayor was still seriously injured, and were looking already for others culprits."

No one died Night 1.

It is now Day 2. It ends 8 days after this post, that is, Thursday, February 23th, 10:00 PM UTC.

Votecount 2.0 (Day 2 Start)
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Frostings [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
rEdo [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [8] - Hika, Sakura, -[Jess]-, abraker , Frostings , B1rd, beeboy123, rEdo
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
abraker
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mafia tried to get bulletproof townie?
rEdo
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Dear God why all the RETARDED stuff happens when I have other things in mind...

Claim: 1-Shot Bulletproof

Proper post in a second.
abraker
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Hika wrote:

Alright, if I don't vote you, you'll investigate me?
I prefer you not to because I'm VANILLA TOWNIE.
Makes me curious why the mafia didn't bother with you then...
rEdo
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Alright. This is a highly subjective thing, but I would like to address it here and now.

abraker wrote:

Going to bed. Will be around 7pm EST

Need -[Jesse]-'s response

So far by the looks of it, -[Jesse]- might be mafia trying to be silent and out of trouble by voting Dawnsday. It may be a good way avert eyes on you especially if everybody is convinced that person you are voting for is mafia.

Frostings is a compulsive doo-hikey. Sporadically votes based on latest developments. Aka doesnt have an opinion. Playing mind tricks on him might suffice. Can't read him

B1rd is as objective as me. Can't read

Honestly I voted for Dawnsday just because of his evil like avatar. Needless, to say he dug himself into a hole and will need better justification to get out. At least he should explain why someone else is mafia dammit. Also waiting for his response of my showing evidence of his lies. I think he is the safest vote.

Sakura needs to be pushed to vote for somebody. Can't read.

rEdo, Beeboy123, and Hika you guys have been more active, so I will need to figure you guys out tommorow.

I would consider to unvote Dawnsday just to see who else may try to jump on him, but not declaring that beforehand may be a rather unwise decision on my part. And now that I do declare, that action would be pointless.
I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.

I also start to question beeboy's alignment due to him getting too silent when the lynch occured. But hey, the same argument applies to me then xd

Jess, why did you hammer Dawnsday. Just what the fuck, we weren't even done with discussion. If I had been on the forum the moment you said you're gonna hammer, or at least hours after that, I would unvote >_> Don't take it too personally, but why do you even bother signing up to these games if you're not even reading what we're doing here?
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rEdo wrote:

I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.
Reading Jess as scum doesn't count to me. She's playing terrible both as town and as scum.
abraker
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rEdo wrote:

rEdo wrote:

I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.
Reading Jess as scum doesn't count to me. She's playing terrible both as town and as scum.
I didn't point anyone else as town either. There are a handful of people here I can't read. However, I shouldn't make up excuses for Hika and Beeboy. I need to look over their data asap. Also Hika's response to my previous statement will be important
abraker
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Also I didn't read Jesse as scum but only provoked the thought. I don't give readings unless I have evidence to back things up
Hika
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abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

Alright, if I don't vote you, you'll investigate me?
I prefer you not to because I'm VANILLA TOWNIE.
Makes me curious why the mafia didn't bother with you then...
Because they're not gonna waste their breath on me.
They're just causing WIFOM because I can't get anyone to check me.

If there is an investigative role, please crumb.
Crumb cleverly if you can, at least.
abraker
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Is that an official claim though?
Hika
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Scum is good at framing people right now. This isn't anything new. If someone you thought was scum didn't end up getting NK'd, then your first suspicion is because I'm scum and your second thought would be, since I claimed my role, I should've died first.

No. Scum believes my claim at least 75%. Had I been an important role, I wouldn't have fake claimed and taken the risk for claiming.
Scum doesn't want to kill a VT unless they are swaying town to a proper day lynch. They will simply take me last or just hope you all lynch me out.
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rEdo wrote:

Jess, why did you hammer Dawnsday. Just what the fuck, we weren't even done with discussion. If I had been on the forum the moment you said you're gonna hammer, or at least hours after that, I would unvote >_> Don't take it too personally, but why do you even bother signing up to these games if you're not even reading what we're doing here?
As i said to bee yesterday, she said the opposite of wanting to hammer, then just came and said "now i see why dawn's scum" and hammered without declaring any sort of intent.

Vote: Jess
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Claim: VT
bold is the only way to be official apparently.
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Sakura wtf
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abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

nah if I was scum I wouldn't have voted

keep it in mind
Pending proof from previous mafia games
I'm live on a computer in a approximately 2 hours max.
I'll answer this for you shortly.

Mind you, the not voting thing is a 50% thing.
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Also:

Only possible setups atm are 3 and C, if rEdo's telling the truth then we're on C, Hika that claim came out of nowhere.
I'm not sure why abraker was so sure that a 1-shot BP was hit, since it's also possible that Doctor protection was hit.

abraker wrote:

mafia tried to get bulletproof townie?
This came out before rEdo's claim.
Hika
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He has to be lying. There's no way he's bulletproof.
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Vote:redo
Sakura
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abraker wrote:

Hika wrote:

Alright, if I don't vote you, you'll investigate me?
I prefer you not to because I'm VANILLA TOWNIE.
Makes me curious why the mafia didn't bother with you then...
Now this.
Assuming Hika's telling the truth the way for mafia to hit a Town PR, a normal mafia would be looking for a town doctor to shoot, since they wouldnt know which of the 2 cases it is considering they wouldn't have a roleblocker in either of the 2, if anything they WOULD be aiming away from Hika, unless they want to get rid of threat in non PR forms, in which case Hika's claim would be irrelevant.
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I take that is a CC?
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Yes. I WILL CC THIS ALL MY LIFE.

There is no way he's bulletproof unless Zexion is fucking us up.
Sakura
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Unvote
There's some things i need to parse in my mind first, as of yesterday's lynch i had a TR on rEdo, and wasnt reading Hika as town, a town BP generally doesnt claim out of the gate when shot by scum unless they are about to be lynched, since scum doesnt know if they hit BP or Doctor a BP not claiming will force scum to keep PR hunting or worst case scenario shoot again.

But that day opening idk, abraker opening with "Scum shot BP?" with then rEdo claiming "i'm BP" and then abraker going "i wonder why scum didnt bother with claimed VT then".

All these things are bothering me, and will need further inquiry.
@B1rd: how experienced is abraker at mafia (the general game, not the alignment)?
Hika
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Besides, I claimed myself D1 because people still wanted to push my wagon.
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That's two scumreads for me.
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Hika wrote:

Yes. I WILL CC THIS ALL MY LIFE.

There is no way he's bulletproof unless Zexion is fucking us up.
Ok so he's confscum unless he flips town, in which case you're confscum.
So i'll put that in the back burner for now and will try to figure out what's with abraker's posts at the start of the day and wont vote yet coz i dont want any more funny hammers from certain Jesses
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Sakura you're my townread.
because you voted Jess.
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I think this suspicion with abraker is valid because his graphs and stuff are very fluffy. He's going to generate attention to him, negative or positive, so abraker you should probably fix your game play
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in an honest, hypothetical way.

Sakura, so far what are your estimations on who is town.
Because it can either be town-scum or town-town.

And I don't wanna vote redo now after reading first page a few times.
Zexion
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"Isn't that time of the day when you start posting random stuff?"

Votecount 2.1
rEdo [1] - Hika
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Frostings [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [7] - Sakura, -[Jess]-, abraker , Frostings , B1rd, beeboy123, rEdo
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

PSA: Votecounts on weekdays (Mon - Fri) can only be done between 9 PM and 1 AM UTC. Please don't request votecounts outside that time range!
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Hika
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I'm sorry. I'm stupid. I'm still town :p
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Hika wrote:

in an honest, hypothetical way.

Sakura, so far what are your estimations on who is town.
Because it can either be town-scum or town-town.

And I don't wanna vote redo now after reading first page a few times.
Currently im thinking the team might just be rEdo + abraker.
abraker's Day 1 was a lot of IIoA, and his entrance today felt coordinated with rEdo to say the least.
i had a townread on rEdo at the end of day 1, which makes me go more wtf with that claim.

I'm fairly certain on my townreads on bee and frosty, then i have a townread on B1rd.
I'm not in favor of not punishing what Jess did coz otherwise she wouldn't learn, but if the above is the team then why the hell waste more time.
Whether you're town or not depends a lot on what rEdo flips, but... do you think rEdo's motivations were something else (i.e fake claiming as Town) and abraker just happened to be on the wrong place at the wrong time with his words?
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Oh I'm sorry, I meant in reference with M6 setup between redo and I.
I never looked this deep into the setup of M6 and currently am confused with it.

So there can only be one scum between me and him or can we both flip town together?
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Also if the possibility is town-scum, me being town, then I think he used that excuse because they couldn't find a good NK at the time.
Second, if the possibility is town-town, if that's even possible (please fact check this statement), then abraker had to have been scum.

Either way, he just could be scum. See how he got into Dawn and now me?
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Hika wrote:

Oh I'm sorry, I meant in reference with M6 setup between redo and I.
I never looked this deep into the setup of M6 and currently am confused with it.

So there can only be one scum between me and him or can we both flip town together?
Ok so i'll explain

The mod randomizes either 1,2,3,A,B,C.
Depending on the one selected that's the setup the game will have in terms of the 2 town PRs and 1 scum PR.

So for instance if setup is 3, the 2 Town PRs are "Town Tracker" "Town 1-shot Bulletproof" and the 1 scum PR is "Mafia Goon" (So scum doesnt get a PR in this setup).
If setup C was rolled then the 2 Town PRs are "Town Tracker" "Town 1-shot Buletproof" and again, the 1 scum PR is "Mafia Goon" so scum also doesnt luck out in this one.

With any of the columns OR rows the same thing applies, a setup CANNOT have one role from 2 of them if they dont intersect.
So Town Doctor/Cop/Bulletproof counterclaim Bulletproof for example.
Just like Town Tracker/Jailkeeper/Bulletproof/Cop counterclaim Cop.
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If you're either Doctor OR bulletproof then the only way rEdo is town is if he's fakeclaiming AS town (and i dont really see the need for a BP to claim or a town to fakeclaim BP, because scum knows very well who they shot).
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What makes sense however is a claim to draw out a CC to find the last PR.
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Thanks for explaining. Sorry for not reading that clearly. I just remember my last M6 game on here, I was hospitalized therefore force replaced so I didn't get to play long enough to understand the setup.
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I don't see the world where scum Hika CCs for the fun of it.

vote: rEdo
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As long as there's no possibility of redo being town, then I am fine with today's lynch.
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Sakura wrote:

@B1rd: how experienced is abraker at mafia (the general game, not the alignment)?
I needed to read your explanations to know what the possible scenarios are. I forgot about the doctor role entirely. Only remembered the BP townie as I was quickly checking the email notification of this thread when gathering my stuff to leave from work.
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It's a pretty interesting setup, makes town and scum think more about what to claim / fakeclaim, and punishes people that blindly trust claims.

I've seen instances were Setup 1 is played (JK / VT / Goon) and scum fake claim BP making town think it's A ( JK / RB / BP) since scum already would know which of the 2 would be simply by the existance or lack of a roleblocker.
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abraker wrote:

Sakura wrote:

@B1rd: how experienced is abraker at mafia (the general game, not the alignment)?
I needed to read your explanations to know what the possible scenarios are. I forgot about the doctor role entirely. Only remembered the BP townie as I was quickly checking the email notification of this thread when gathering my stuff to leave from work.
Hmm now i actually find this scenario possible too
I would've preferred B1rd to answer first, ah well his answer is still relevant.
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Sakura wrote:

Also:

Only possible setups atm are 3 and C
[/quote]Wait given there is a vanilla townie and rEdo is lying, where would we be?
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Oh I missed bee's post, damn you non existance of post review due to new posts thing

Take in mind that puts rEdo at L-2 and i would prefer he not go to L-1 coz he can self hammer to cut discussion short.
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@abraker: Because Hika's not a VT silly.
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Hika wrote:

I think this suspicion with abraker is valid because his graphs and stuff are very fluffy. He's going to generate attention to him, negative or positive, so abraker you should probably fix your game play
I can keep silent about my progress about analysis if that's fine

Sakura wrote:

@abraker: Because Hika's not a VT silly.
Hypothetically is that possible?
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I mean for there to be a vanilla townie at all in this game with how things stand
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hiding your progress is anti town. threatening us doesn't help your case.
if your town you wouldn't be saying that.
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I mean if you're a PR and you want to direct scum attention away from you what do you claim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I saw that coming since like Page 20 when i mentioned the possibilities and Hika immediately said that it was impossible for rEdo to be BP.
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abraker wrote:

I mean for there to be a vanilla townie at all in this game with how things stand
Oh all remaining players are VTs and a Goon.
Hika was fake claiming VT to protect her being PR, i realized this with her reaction to my post about the setup possibilities.
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ok I have fake claim apparently
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As i said earlier
If Hika's a BP or a Doc, then yeah her role cant coexist with rEdo's which makes rEdo's role a fake claim.
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So i'm just gonna make this clear for everyone so there's no misunderstandings about the setup.

We're either on
C:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town Doctor
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon
or
3:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town 1-Shot Bulletproof
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon

We cant be in both simultaneously save some serious mod error which i doubt, with this in mind Hika, you're 100% sure rEdo's fake claiming correct?
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If redo is fake claiming AND is mafia... only if, then this is how I interpret this

rEdo wrote:

I find it really disturbing that abraker didn't point to anyone else as scum besides a safe lynch guy Dawnsday. To me it looks like a try to letting the lynch pass after a very long inactivity.
Try to attack me. Create a common enemy

rEdo wrote:

I also start to question beeboy's alignment due to him getting too silent when the lynch occured. But hey, the same argument applies to me then xd
If beeboy is mafia: Weaken the bond between redo and beeboy.
If beeboy is not mafia: Attack someone else so it's not suspicious it's just me.
Play the "But I did same, so idk" card an attempt to look innocent

rEdo wrote:

Jess, why did you hammer Dawnsday. Just what the fuck, we weren't even done with discussion. If I had been on the forum the moment you said you're gonna hammer, or at least hours after that, I would unvote >_> Don't take it too personally, but why do you even bother signing up to these games if you're not even reading what we're doing here?
Agree with popular opinion; Townie thinking



Otherwise, take it with a grain of salt
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Sakura wrote:

So i'm just gonna make this clear for everyone so there's no misunderstandings about the setup.

We're either on
C:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town Doctor
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon
or
3:
1x Town Tracker
1x Town 1-Shot Bulletproof
5x Vanilla Townie
V.S.
2x Mafia Goon

We cant be in both simultaneously save some serious mod error which i doubt, with this in mind Hika, you're 100% sure rEdo's fake claiming correct?
I am 100% claiming I am VT.
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Sakura wrote:

i had a townread on rEdo at the end of day 1, which makes me go more wtf with that claim.
I still dont know what you base your town reads on. Can you give an explanation on how you do town reads and why they are town reads?
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On redo's defense, his last statement about Jess, that's kinda how we all feel though... whether you're town or not
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I also can't figure much about frosty Sakura, how can you?

Frosty's key events

1) Frostings votes Hika
Frostings x→ Hika

1) Frostings votes Dawnsday
Frosting x→ Dawnsday

3) Frostings reads B1rd as townie
Frosting !→ Roles:Townie = B1rd

4) Frosting’s claims that Frosting’s vote on Dawnsday is reaction testing
Frostings !→ (Frosting x→ Dawnsday = (Dawnsday ?→ Players:any)))


What am I missing?
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Looking over Frosting's posts and there is his stance about Hika

Frostings wrote:

Hika is suspicious if Dawnsday flips town, because I've seen her pull L-1 at the first opportunity multiple times as scum
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So it was all a misunderstanding then. That's why i asked again.
Vote: Jess
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I'm still confused as hell about rEdo's out of the gate claim tho.
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Apparently i missed some questions.
Most of the way i read Frosty's due to a lot of experience with him.
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actually frosty hates me :^)
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Sakura, it has come to my attention that you currently hold much of the opinion sway at the current moment. You know how other players react while players like me need to go by raw data, putting most newer players at a disadvantage. A scary disadvantage in the worst case or a really good advantage in the best case scenario.

I have reason to believe your past mentioning of past experiences with players might be telling half truths. I expect you to defend your claims by explaining why I should believe someone who might be mafia.
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beeboy123 wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Now I know why draw is scum
what do you mean by this Jess o3o
I want Jess to answer this.


unvote
Also rEdo is conf town then.
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That disadvantage will always be a thing. although in MS newbie games actually have way more newer players than in the case here.

But meta works as a disadvantage to me as well since people do think i have a good pokerface so i wouldnt blame someone getting paranoid about me (I mean that is half the reason i made an MS alt to begin with).

I suppose it's hard for a mechanical player like you to understand, but the way i get reads mostly come from gut feels which i no doubt usually get asked about and that's when i have a hard time putting those into words or evidence.
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B1rd you need to post more

B1rd wrote:

I'd rather lynch deadweight on policy before going after scumreads.
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vote: Frosting

Justify your erratic behavior. First vote and then you voted Dawnsday the second everybody start bad mouthing him. Also your explanation are too simply to hold any water.

Frosting wrote:

I voted Dawnsday because his posts up to my vote on him were all commentary with little analysis and initiative to find scum
also he keep using the "new to the game" card but I don't believe him :oops:
What was this answer to (might have missed something, but)? Were you just throwing this out to look innocent?

Frosting wrote:

I like Sakura so far
While I won't let my guard down of Jesse, a Sakura and Frosting duo might be a possibility worth looking into
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Who do you think is town Abraker?
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From my experience scum doesn't play that simply
They don't have as much an incentive to quickly get rid of town than making themselves look innocent. Depends a bit on the scum players of course, but I will give the benefit of the doubt they are experienced
It's more likely wagons form with town players voting scummy players.
I think we have a hammer on the nail here. This guy just described EXACTLY what he was doing.

At the point in time writing this, he didn't know that my vote for Dawnsday was a null vote based on nothing. So him being second to vote was a safe vote. However my vote removed, he is the first actual vote. The wagon with town player followed. While he tries to make himself look innocent.

That comment answering idk what, and him being the first to jump on the bandwagon when everybody was starting to suspect Dawnsday. Is all of this coincidence?

Yes, Frostings, scum players ARE experienced, but it does help to keep operations a bit of a secret.
And you thought nobody will think of a scum player describing him self. I laugh.


boy will I dig myself into an early grave if I'm wrong
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beeboy123 wrote:

Who do you think is town Abraker?
Either Hika or rEdo. 50/50. Waiting for rEdo's responce
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Maybe i should do 2of4 again at some point.
People seem very confused by this setup ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Jess isn't scum though. She just plays like that all the time @abraker
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