Dexus wrote:

Why even have this. Play solo if you're too unfocused to enjoy maps at a moderate pace. This is a rhythm game and If you can't do even simple stuff that's sad. I honestly enjoy simple maps that follow well with the music instead of overly-mapped pieces of crap that have stuff everywhere just because hurr durr difficulty.

Oinari-sama wrote:

For those who're against this request, what's your main concern?

Oinari-sama wrote:

Wait I'm confused...

For those who're against this request, what's your main concern? So far I haven't seen anyone complaining about this request being game breaking in anyway, though I'll admit that I haven't read through every single post in this thread.

What I saw in the recent posts are just arguments about how playing DT = Showing off and I think it's a bit off tangent. The main concern in this thread was regarding how to match the time difference between normal and DT mod, can't we focus on that instead?

Dexus wrote:

-____- wrote:

it's for having fun with others, right?

yeah, but if you're not doing the same stuff what's the point?

Also if you play stuff in multi and do all that how the hell do you not have any SS, S, or A ranks? Your rank is rather low and you seem to know a lot but don't have very many plays on anything. In fact your play history is pretty empty.

Hit Accuracy: 65.08%

Play Count: 55

I smell a multi-account or you just suck at this game.

CDFA wrote:

The only issue I really see is that the DT user is going to have to sit in Multi for a long time when the rest of the users finish the map. For long songs, this can turn into a bit of an issue (and I can probably sense a lot of bugs coming from this)

Dexus wrote:

-____- wrote:

it's for having fun with others, right?

yeah, but if you're not doing the same stuff what's the point?

-____- wrote:

And yeah, multiaccount here, not sure what that has to do with anything, seems I have no right of speaking if I am not a "good" player?

Dexus wrote:

jesus1412 wrote:

Let's remove freemods completely.

BRBP wrote:

deadbeat wrote:

first and warning warning.

Shit just got real

-____- wrote:

They're afraid to be beaten by a DT user in multiplayer while playing nomod, they like to cover it up by calling it "playing rhythm games incorrectly"

Yeah exactly. Totally. And maybe because they wouldn't be playing in realtime. I want freemod doubletime to counter-strike.

Oinari-sama wrote:

CDFA wrote:

The only issue I really see is that the DT user is going to have to sit in Multi for a long time when the rest of the users finish the map. For long songs, this can turn into a bit of an issue (and I can probably sense a lot of bugs coming from this)

Yes I think that is the main concern for implementing this. If someone can come up with a good solution then this request is more likely to be implemented.

Coincidentally there are similar discussions in another thread: Multiplayer "free play" which is a request for allowing individual players to choose whatever difficulty level within the same mapset. The concern there is that some lower diff maps are considerably shorter than the higher diff so the time gap needs to be addressed. That request, however, has an easy way out which is simply disable the "freedom" if the maps within the mapset are considerably different in length.

I just thought I'll bring it up here cause any potential solution proposed in this thread may work on the other.

Xivaxi wrote:

Can someone who feels this way explain why playing in real time is such a big deal? I don't really understand. The only indication that we're all playing in somewhat-realtime is the scoreboard anyway, so if it's implemented with the delayed scores from the DT players like everyone is suggesting, then that complaint seems to just go out the window.

CDFA wrote:

The only issue I really see is that the DT user is going to have to sit in Multi for a long time when the rest of the users finish the map. For long songs, this can turn into a bit of an issue (and I can probably sense a lot of bugs coming from this)

BRBP wrote:

Can't you people find another way to show off rather than joining multi rooms with DT?

Too bad there's no anti-votes, this thread would get every single one I have.

Oinari-sama wrote:

Oh I've completely forgotten about this thread lol

To bring the focus back to "waiting for other players to finish," what about this instead: make DT players wait for their start while others are playing.

Consider this from a race perspective. DT players wait at the starting line to give non-DT players a head start. DT players can watch the score board rise while waiting so they don't feel as bored, and it'll induce a need to catch up when it's finally it's their time to start. This can give the players a "runner vs chaser" sense and bring new dynamics to multiplayer games.

The DT players should get their countdown loud and clear, while the non-DT players should hear a new "warning" sound notifying that the DT players has started. Visual Settings can only be adjusted at the very beginning (common to all players) to ensure that the countdown is uninterrupted.

Imo this will be more exciting than waiting for players to finish.

jesus1412 wrote:

Again it would be better to make them start at the same time and feed the DT scores to the nomod players at normal speed so that none DT players can see the scores as if competing in real time, then only the DT players are hindered at all.

Keyone94 wrote:

even if the song is long, the players still choose for themself to wait at the end,
its not like anyone forces them

Saint wrote:

please

Therealsage wrote:

I don't think that this is a good feature to get implemented into multiplayer :/

jesus1412 wrote:

Therealsage wrote:

I don't think that this is a good feature to get implemented into multiplayer :/

That is a very valid point. Thank you for expanding upon your reasoning so that we can reach a compromise.

Therealsage wrote:

That would solve my issue with the idea, I just don't like changes that would affect other players experience while playing with those who would chose to use DT as a Free Mod.

I don't think that giving them the change to spectate is worth it, maybe just getting locked at the score screen while Osu streams the scores of the other players while a timer counts down to the end of the map is a better solution, but i don't know what would be the better to implement...

jesus1412 wrote:

Again it would be better to make them start at the same time and feed the DT scores to the nomod players at normal speed so that none DT players can see the scores as if competing in real time, then only the DT players are hindered at all.

jesus1412 wrote:

The idea would be that none double time players and double time players would start the map at the same time. As they play the none-DT players would have the scores of the DT players fed to them as if it was nomod with a + 0.12 modifier (essentially they would see the DT players performances at the same stage as themselves throughout the entire map). At the end of the map the DT players would have to wait for other players to finish the map at which point the results screen would appear.

This would NOT change the appearance of multiplayer AT ALL for none-DT players and it would NOT change the pace that scores are delivered to them. The argument that halftime should be allowed has been brought up too but that would mean that all nomod players would have to wait for HT players to finish which I don't think is fair.

And of course if peppy was feeling particularly generous some sort of activity could be added for player who use DT (such as spectating other players while waiting or being able to view the scores of all players live) but really the DT players should expect to wait and don't deserve this compensation.

jesus1412 wrote:

Arguments against:

Not actually physically playing in real time with the DT players. How is this an issue at all? Give me one valid reason for this to be taken seriously.
People can show off with DT. Yes, just like any other free mod.
People who pick DT will have to wait at the end of the map for other players. This is the DT picker's choice, if you don't like it, don't pick it.
People who pick DT might leave before the map is over (just like any mod choices I don't even understand this point). <

Tess wrote:

jesus1412 wrote:

Arguments against:

Not actually physically playing in real time with the DT players. How is this an issue at all? Give me one valid reason for this to be taken seriously.
People can show off with DT. Yes, just like any other free mod.
People who pick DT will have to wait at the end of the map for other players. This is the DT picker's choice, if you don't like it, don't pick it.
People who pick DT might leave before the map is over (just like any mod choices I don't even understand this point). <

I don't even see why these things are being considered as arguments, but, oh well. This might also be one of those things that peppy just refuses to change, like background dim in the editor.

Ongaku wrote:

A lot of people don't have the patience to wait for others player to play the other half of the map, nor do they have time to make people wait.

Ongaku wrote:

Freemode DT will affect the Multiplayer in-game gameplay A LOT. I wouldn't really recommend this. A lot of people don't have the patience to wait for others player to play the other half of the map, nor do they have time to make people wait.