i think you guys liked my remap (its fucking hilarious) maybe i'll throw my 2 cents out here
Agree:
>Its rankable
By definition, sure. However, this map is only bubbled and scrutinized on because of its novelty: star rating, familiar mapper and shitstorm-worthy. If it were to be an ugly TV Size mapped by a 1st time mapper in the exact same style (basically none of the novel qualities of this map I just mentioned), half the people here won't give a rat's ass about it. Even if it DID get popular for some reason, it'd be INSTANTLY bashed to hell because of how shitty the map is, and I'm sure most of you guys have seen shitty maps: they look exactly like this. Saying this is rankable doesn't mean anything, half the fucking trash tier maps uploaded are by definition "rankable" as well. The scrutiny of this map and the heated debate is unfair to the community of mappers because this happens solely on the premise of novelty. So, sorry, bad argument.
>Its MEANT to be ugly/Its m y A E S T H I C/Its a concept
Just because the mapper added "REALLY FUCKING UGLY" to their description in some edgy gradient that somehow justifies the idea that ugly maps like this can rank. In my opinion, the only reason why Monstrata maps even rank is because they look neat and its mapped with a hexagonal grid lmao, else there shouldn't even be a reason for contention. This map is absolute trash and there is no two ways about it. Imo monstrata's flow isn't even worth looking at, its so basic and boring and shitty all around. Without aesthetics or pp, i.e. normal TV Size-esque, anything mapped by Monstrata belongs in the depths of graveyard. Continuously reaffirming yourself that you're right only shows that you're being powered by mindless circlejerking andCall me rude, but it isn't a dig at Monstrata, his good point IS his neatness. But justifying it by saying its "trashy, unplayable trash" only proves my point that this is an argument that will only backfire. Sorry sweetie, bad argument
>There are other maps for you
As mentioned by QATs/BNs time and time again, every map is handled differently. Just because there are enough maps out there that people in this thread hating on the map will enjoy, it doesn't mean its a substantiable argument for THIS map to rank. Its basically a cowardly/"nice" way to tell non-circlejerkers to fuck off, which is rather delusional. Be it the fact that they are being mean or not, this isn't an argument of any value lmao
>Leave the mapper alone
He uploaded this shit-fest, receiving criticism (be it constructive or not) shouldn't be a surprise in any form or manner. Saying "Leave him alone" only contributes to the circlejerk imo, so saying that isn't really being "neutral" or impartial. Stop trying to defend something for the sake of defending something, criticism in ranking every map is necessary
>beCAuSE l o LL MEM ES
Remember what happened to handsome and pishifat when they actually ranked a Bearizm map that was actually well done and not this shit stain l ol xd
Disagree:
>The 1st 3/5 is overmapped and the remaining is a massive decrease in SR
This is a very poorly expressed argument. The song IS this way, its not that the rhythm is overmapped too much, most of the rhythms mapped in the first 3/5 are shitty but acceptable. There is nothing wrong with the SR dip, because all I care about is that the music is at LEAST mapped correctly in terms of rhythm, which Monstrata mostly accomplished (other than the massive clusterfuck that is the 1/4 spams). Asking for the mapper to overmap the 2nd part or undermap the 1st part will almost always be a bad idea.
This disgusting excuse of a "rankable map" needs more solid disagreements
Statements:
>Comparing Mazzerin to Monstrata
I'm sorry, but you HAVE to be blind to compare these two in any sense. Their only similarities are song choices, and I'm only referring to one map of Monstrata's: this fucking abomination. The flow is nothing like Mazzerin's, the aesthetics is nothing like Mazzerin's. I'm sorry but Mazzerin actually makes some tasteful sliders, not this pile of trash. IMO Mazzerin doesn't even try to place obnoxious pp jumps all over the place JUST for SR, the intensity of the song doesn't even allow for such high level jumps. 02:55:471 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - literally has twice the drums of 02:53:686 (1) - , and yet the fucking diff spike is somehow permitted? Only an obnoxious display of pushing the limits of "ranking" just for the sake of it.
>Shiirn's mod
Very helpful, Shiirn basically pointed out every (obvious) thing that should be fixed: The obnoxious jumps, the bad timings and most of all the "aesthetics" of the map. Won't even try to go against it, because Shiirn isn't wrong in any sense lmao
>Comparing beginner mappers to Monstrata
Essentially everything wrong with this map. Its like a beginner map, except that this mapper is well-known, and hence has backers, and the fact that somehow intending to make the map like this makes it ok doesn't sound right to me at all. Literally if this map can rank, any beginner map with their shitty map if hyped to this level can probably rank as well. The only reasons why this map will probably rank has already been stated before: Well-known mapper + Circlejerk + Obnoxious intention. This is not ok lmao
I'm basically agreeing with Ekoro, Warpyc, Jaitonat, Kiyohime, Broccoly and Kuki (sorry if I missed out some names) as of now. I basically restated their arguments since my points are basically theirs'. Up till now, I haven't seen any sound agreement to ranking this map AT ALL, other than the sake of a disgustingly obnoxious statement. If anyone else at the popularity of Monstrata were to try and rank something like this I would rag on them the same way, because this sad excuse of a "ranking system" is still too circlejerk-prone. The qualification of this map will only show how much of a massive fucking circlejerk and how much of a joke the power levels are dictated are rn. Call me a killer of creativity, but I personally think this map WILL BE the downfall of creativity, because if rules have to be put in place for this map to be kept in check it would be a horrible sight to witness.
On to more substantial map related points:
00:27:409 (1,1) - This is clearly not Monstrata-esque flow. The unintuitive-ness of this flow is very disconcerting
00:28:496 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - ^
00:43:473 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^
00:45:520 (2,3,4,1) - ^
00:49:949 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^
00:56:864 (3,4,5,6) - ^
01:43:942 (1,2,3) - ^
02:04:611 (3,4,1) - ^
02:11:659 (2,3,4) - ^
02:17:227 (2,1,2,3,4) - ^
00:34:933 (1,2) - I find this very hard to land because of the fact that you're mapping to absolutely nothing here. Especially with the vocal emphasis right after that you're obviously mapping to, I'd rather you time to the vocals instead of whatever you were trying to map to
00:40:066 (1,2,3) - This triplet is CLEARLY an overmap, there was nothing that justified the triplet
01:02:466 (1) - A pretty big number of slow sliders here are CLEARLY not timed well, or I just have absolutely no idea what you were mapping to: guitar or vocal, because it seems like there is dissonant emphasis in this whole region
01:24:363 (1,2) - Consistency for rhythm similar to 00:21:206 (1,2) - , there was no vocal at 01:24:363 (1) - , which was kinda indicated to me before that it doesn't warrant a 1/2 slider
01:35:594 (2,3,4,5) - The focus in vocal right before (and right after btw) suddenly shifts to drum mapping, it makes no sense to me, just retime it or something
I'm trying to be objective about it because somehow this is the best kind of flow/rhythm Monstrata can pull out his ass.
If the focus on every map is only about playability we might as well just not bother with nazi mods anymore, because every UGLY thing despite having mildly acceptable flow can be refuted with "oh its just my a e s t h e t i c". While most people will stop bothering with mappers who map to their aesthetic ideals, somehow its not the case with Monstrata SOLELY because he's popular.
Just to piss people off even more:
L o .x dd ko im done hre re xd