Evening wrote:

General

Not sure if this has been brought up before but difficulty name spread is most likely unrankable at this point, the main criteria is basically to have someone who is somewhat fluent in the english able to rank the difficulty names in terms of "difficulty" and it's currently quite hard to do that honestly
Changed all of the diff names to incorporate level numbers as well. Hopefully the numbers I chose work well, if not, I'll just edit them to fit. Edit: It seems the level system isn't very liked, and people would rather the original naming. I'm trying to work out a way to have the original names without adding a level system, and still have it be rankable :S

00:28:147 - This uses a 141 BPM on 3/4
00:38:359 - Revert back to 188 here
Wew. Fixed.

Think you can use something to override normal-hitnormal for now, it's quite weird to hear on the default skin, it's best to check hitsounds on default skin anyways, won't give too much comments about these so just look through the diff.s with default skin and correct those that sound weird
Oh wow, the hitsounds sound horrible on the default skin! Glad you pointed this out. Most of the sounds are overridden (the bad sounding ones anyway, the rest I think sounds fine).

Grotesque

00:27:349 (27349|2) - Didn't really like the SV effect of this very much, I was thinking of something that is less fierce/snappy here, basically not in favor of that 0.1x in particular.
I would suggest to do something like a sine function that hovers around 0.7 - 1.3
Okay. Hopefully I did it similar to what you imagined.

00:28:147 (28147|0,29424|0,30700|0,31977|0) - Was thinking that you can emphasize the repeating section with a bump SV right at the beginning of these LNs, much like a gif/animation that doesn't loop perfectly, think you can mimic that here
Oooh. I like this idea. I've added it, but it's subtle.

00:37:083 (37083|3,38360|3) - I believe you can do a slightly speed up here as the intensity builds up
Yep. Added.

00:41:232 (41232|1,41232|2,41232|0,41232|3) - sounds like you're missing a clap here
Fixed

00:44:743 (44743|1) - Not sure about using a jumptrill here, personally felt that the rolls could be extended towards the LN here instead of a roll to jumptrill transition as the instrumentals in the track do not heavilty suggest the usage of jumps?
In the original version of this difficulty, the rolls were extended to the LN (although it wasn't as symmetrical as it is now) and it played pretty messily. The jumptrill was added to emphasize the 6 sounds starting from 44741 (the noise and the snare alternating). However, the 6 sounds also kinda double up/reverberate, so I've extended the rolls like you said for now. At this very moment I'm not sure whether I like it better, but I'll check with some other people as well ^^

01:15:062 (75062|2,75860|2) - Think you can throw in some bump SVs for the plucking instrumentals here
Ehhhhh... It kinda overdid it just a little. I think I'd rather keep this how it is as the section is a little too dense for something like that imo.

01:21:764 - Felt that the slowjam is a bit too small of an effect here, thinking that you can drop to 0.8?
Yep, seems good.

01:38:360 - Put an increasing SV here up to 1.2 at 01:39:636 -
Yep cool.

01:48:493 (108493|1,108493|0,108573|0) - Think it'd be better if you shifted this to the right hand, a triple "consecutive" minijack pattern here strains the left hand a ton
Fixed (And it seems to play well with the patterns around it, but I'd have to ask you or another skilled player to check that, as I'm no good at quadstreams this fast >w<)

01:48:892 - well, looking at it on a larger scale here, you seem to have a lot more left hand "consecutive" minijacks than that of right hand
Okay, should be a lot more equal now.

02:06:126 - These are some weird choice/placement of SVs, they kinda distort the 1/4s weirdly here, might want to shift the 0.75x SV somewhere after
I fixed the first 0.75x SV as it was oddly early, but the others seem perfectly fine to me? Nevermind, I understand now. Yeah that first SV was early for some reason. Fixed across all diffs.

02:14:104 - Feel like this 4 to 3 transition isn't that heavy and doesn't feel fitting to the bass kick the song, maybe add on 1?
I see. added.

02:43:147 - Pretty sure you can speed this SV up, the chord @ 02:46:019 (166019|3,166019|1,166019|2) - would feel much more heavy if the chord comes at a surprisingly faster SV than that of 1.0x
It now comes at 1.15x. I tried 1.20x but it was a little uncomfortably fast, even for me (and it might annoy the hell out of players), so I think 1.15x is enough.

02:58:573 (178573|1,178626|1) - yeaaaa this is quite hard to read and execute, it's doable but would suggest to omitt this anchor
The only way I could see to omit this anchor while keeping the roll pattern was to just remove that note. The transition from the roll to the double does a good job at masking the fact that it isn't a triple though. So it seems to be fine, and much better to play.

Well in general this plays not bad but I would say this has quite a bit of missed opportunities for stutter/stagger SVs but it's mainly personal taste at this point
I mean... I could add more, but it may cross a line at one point where I'll just be overdoing it. I'm trying to at least keep it approachable to most players at this level, so that they can still enjoy the map without getting too annoyed with the SV (unless they love SV like us lol). If that makes sense?

Brutal

00:27:349 - Same as Grotesque, well all SV suggestions apply to here if you want to of course
Fixed. Also incorporated some of the SV changes from grotesque to this diff and all of the others as well.

00:52:482 (52482|1,52482|0,52642|0,52642|1,52801|0,52801|1) - Hitsounds sound weird here (?)
Fixed across all diffs.

02:15:062 (135062|3,135381|2) - Think these should be on the same column for the vocals
I'm just a little iffy on this one. One of the LN's are the same at least, so you still get the repetition, but I think it just feels better to play a different note for the other LN. Could be the change in pitch of the guitar, could be the vast difference in length, idk. Sounds kinda dumb, but I think I'll keep it how it is for now, but it's not too much of a big deal if I need to change it. (except for just a little bit of moving around notes on every difficulty)

Not too sure about this difficulty wise i can't really detect any difficulty spike basically
Might be because you're a very skilled player. I know I used to have a LOT of trouble at the mid kiai section, so it felt like a massive spike then. Now I can play those kinds of patterns a lot better so I can see why it doesn't seem to spike too much. It's probably because there's no real 'chorus' of the song (except that mid kiai); the song just keeps changing. I know the end section starting from about 2:56 to the end is quite difficult compared to the rest (as people have told me), so I'm assured that the difficulty curve does exist. Remember it's only a 4* map too.

Cruel

00:33:679 (33679|0,34104|2) - Would compare this to 00:33:253 (33253|3) - and say that they are different sounds, the first 2 LNs I've mentioned feel like they are plucked compared to the 2nd set of LN I've linked hence i'm suggesting to make those 2 first LNs I've linked a shorter LN/staccato LN
Oh... those LN's are more following that "wahhh wahhh" sound behind the piano that slowly gets louder as the section goes on. Despite this, if you still think I should take a look at shortening those LN's, I'll do so ^^.

00:45:222 (45222|1) - I believe this is for the bass? Think it's better if it's just a single instead of an LN, maybe a {12} chord if you want a heavier impact and a hammer
I hear the bass dragging on until the two LN's. There's like a static/noise that runs from that note until the two LN's, so I have it as an LN instead of a single note. It's also an LN to act as a kind of slow leaning note, so that the emphasis lands on the snare, and the bass is pretty much a means to get to the snare. This goes for all difficulties too. Maybe I could turn 00:45:061 (45061|3) - into an LN to fit more? Not sure if that'd achieve anything though.

01:23:041 (83041|3,83041|2,84211|1,84317|2,84317|0,85487|1,85594|2,85594|3,86764|1,86870|2,86870|0) - May want to shift LN positionings here a bit, it's a direct repeat and from what you've done here it seems like it's not what you really want to do
Yup. Shifted.

01:38:360 (98360|2,98360|3) - Think you can extend this towards 01:39:397 (99397|1) - (?) not sure about the gap, it feels unneeded imo
01:39:636 (99636|3) - Similarly
01:42:828 (102828|2) -
I'll probably get yelled at for LN inconsistency across diffs D: See: Brutal/Grotesque, they stop short because there's no room to extend. If it's allowed for me to do something like that then yep, I'll change it!

02:40:055 (160055|0,160275|3,160714|2,160913|1) - I would assume everyone will fuck up here at this skill level because of a slowjam not sure if you wanna delete these singles to make it easier
I think this is fine. The singles are removed in all of the difficulties below to fit its level. I guess, most of the difficulties include a fair few patterns that will challenge the player at that level, so this isn't really anything radical. I'll see if I can find some 3-4* players and ask what they think of it. For now I think I'll keep it as is.

03:00:913 - Pretty sure the LN/sound starts here (?) instead of the 1/4 (should've mentioned earlier but yea fix on all diff.s if you see this line)
Yeah this seems to sound better on 100% speed. If you play it at 25% it sounds like it starts a fraction of a second later, but it's basically too small to notice anyway. It's likely from being a sound with a vague start or something. Fixed on all diffs.

Harsh

00:16:019 (16019|1,16019|0) - Would say that this sound here doesn't really have the same intensity/heaviness as 00:15:700 (15700|2,15700|3) - for example, think you can do 1 note for the chord at 16seconds instead of 2
Changed to 1 note at 16sec.

00:33:679 (33679|1,34104|2) - Same suggestion as previously, basically making these sounds staccato LNs
Ditto for what I said in the Cruel section of this mod.

00:38:360 - Unsure what you're mapping to with these LNs, I would suggest to map LNs to the more prominent synth sounds only, like: 00:38:360 (38360|2,38519|1,38839|3,39158|1,39317|3,39477|0,39636|2,39796|0,40115|2,40434|1,40594|2) -
It's pretty much just the result of trying to keep the LN's consistent across the difficulties. But basically the absence of LN is there where the song seem to 'hang' there. Hold the same sound, nothing changing. This means that there should be an LN at 00:39:476 - though, so I've gone through each difficulty and added an LN there (which also meant moving around the notes to fit). As for what I'm following, basically just the synth sounds in general, as they reverberate more, and give out this full sound that the quick noises around it don't achieve.

00:41:312 (41312|1) - Think you can emphasize the snares here instead of doing a full on stream that overlays over this whole drum pattern here, something like this: http://puu.sh/oTIL7/783031b623.jpg | jumps for the snares and repeated hammer on 1 column for the kick there
I purposely started the streams that got cut off by the snares directly on top of the jump so as to mimic this "continuation effect" (wow i'm horrible at explaining but yea)
I understand your point. It may be just me, but the gaps in that pattern feel really weird and out of place compared to the rest of the difficulty. Compare it to Cruel and Unpleasant. It needs to be easier than Cruel but harder than Unpleasant. The best way I saw, was to remove the doubles in the stream (which makes sense because a lot of this diff is specifically concentrated on single notes, and single streams). So the solution I've come up with is to accentuate the snare by column placement. The repetition of column 4, as well as the use of space between other notes the snare note (always 2 or 3 columns away, with only one exception) brings enough attention to it I think. So yeah, fixed, but differently to your suggestion.

00:45:222 (45222|1) - yea, same thing, would suggest a single instead of an LN if you're doing the bass
Same reason as in the Cruel section.

02:57:296 (177296|1) - Hmm maybe change this such that it ends @ 02:57:509 (177509|2) - ? this covers the fading in stream of kick effect here also
Ooooh, I like this

Innocuous & Harsh

Well the main problem is see is that the gap between this and Harsh basically this is mainly due to factors like:

- Harsh has a ton more SVs than Innocuous
- Harsh has very adventurous/experimental/unconventional usages of LNs and note patterning which are significantly harder than Innocuous
- Harsh has much more streaming than that of Innocuous

This is mainly due to how Abraxos takes the safer side of mapping and how Harsh is a descendent of Grotesque. Harsh preserves most elements of Grotesque except that it's less dense, the problem is that the reading requirement doesn't really decrease to the point where it bridges well with Innocuous currently.
The main suggestion and the most fitting one would be to have you make another difficulty, something similar to Harsh but with less difficulty, this decrement should mainly come from either:

- Removal of (some) SVs
- Removal of complex patterning (such as miniLNs and LNs that doesn't really end at a point that is easy to time, see: Harsh's 03:12:615 (192615|1) - )
- Less streaming I suppose

I'll look at the new difficulty and Innocuous once this is kind of done, if you'd insist to not create another difficulty I'd have to consult fellow BNs + QATs to see their opinions on this

Resolved for now

Else, it's a really solid set, very uniquely and boldly mapped.

Parachor wrote:

If you would like to see the changes, look at the 'Reprise (Temporary)' difficulty. I would really love some feedback as to if it's a significant improvement or not.

Raveille wrote:

Parachor wrote:

If you would like to see the changes, look at the 'Reprise (Temporary)' difficulty. I would really love some feedback as to if it's a significant improvement or not.

Hohoho I'M BACK BABY i think?

Reprise

00:43:465 - can this be a triple instead? Yep
02:23:039 - this is probably intentional but there's a missing sound/hold here. Intentional. Not following that sound.
02:34:210 (154210|0,154210|2,154210|1,154210|3) - this could be a triple. I like this being a quad. It's powerful. And it doesn't really make it any more hard or uncomfortable to play.
02:59:482 (179482|3) - it'll be cool if this is a very short hold. Nah, I like this to be short and sharp. Plus the slow SV will likely skew the length and make reading it a little weird.
03:04:688 - this should be the same as the others like 02:52:401 (172401|3,172401|1,172401|0,172401|2) - Same reason as above^. There's also a lot of distance between to the two so it really isn't a problem.
03:07:720 (187720|0,187720|2,187720|1) - same for these| Same reason^
I compared with Brutal and it is about the same idea. Idk if you are willing to make any of these changes since it may affect the other charts. Do check them over though.

2 months after my mod and holy crap how many mods have there been lmao.

Take a pew pew. :D yay

Edit: I missed my objective LOL. It is an improvement definitely, compared it to the old Figue Folle I still had (oh jeez).

Evening wrote:

IRC

13:38 Parachor: Hey there. Do you think you'd be free to do the metadata check now/soon? I can try my best to help make this as quick as we can so you can get back to what you're doing >~<
13:39 Parachor: I'm probably going to have a whole lot of homework to do soon, so I'm hoping we could get this done with, if you're ok with that :D
13:39 Evening: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
13:39 Parachor: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
13:39 Evening: let me see
13:40 Evening: i need to check the easy diff too
13:41 Evening: should i just irc mod
13:41 Parachor: go ahead ^^
13:42 *Evening is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/916730 Igorrr & Ruby My Dear - Figue Folle [Unpleasant [Lv.6]]]
13:42 Evening: 00:53:678 (53678|0) - probably easier to time on 1/1 
13:42 Evening: the pitch change of the synth is on 1/1 anyways
13:43 Parachor: 1/3 is hard to time?
13:43 Evening: 2/3 is hard to time
13:44 Evening: 1/3 isn't
13:44 Evening:  there isn't any significant audio cue to back the 2/3 up basically
13:44 Parachor: Yeah that part I was really struggling to find the right thing to map
13:46 Evening: well if you want to show the 1/3 over the 1/1 LN, you can probably SV it
13:46 Parachor: So what are you suggesting for there?
13:46 Evening: 1/1 patterns
13:47 Parachor: I'm trying to work out what 1/1 would even be mapped to though
13:47 Evening: the pitch change 
13:47 Evening: or the point where the instrumental pattern repeats
13:48 Parachor: http://prntscr.com/b8jtoOh wait I hear it now
13:48 Parachor: Ignore the screenshot wth
13:48 Parachor: Why was that even pasted
13:48 Parachor: alright fixed
13:48 Evening: ye i didn't click it
13:49 Evening: 01:46:018 (106018|3) -  anyways, was thinking that it'd be more intense (and fun) if you did this section with (only) jacks
13:49 Evening: so like [24] x8 [13] x4 [34] x4 etc
13:50 Parachor: Might be a bit repetitive
13:50 Evening: well, i feel like this section is rather underwhelming
13:50 Parachor: idk, for a <2* diff I think that part is pretty intense
13:50 Parachor: after watching new players try it
13:51 Parachor: They tend to get really worked up by it
13:51 Evening: eh up to you i guess
13:51 Evening: (?)
13:52 Parachor: hrmm
13:52 Parachor: I'll just quickly play through the diff, 1 sec
13:55 Parachor: okay yeah I see what you're getting at
13:55 Parachor: Would adding jacks into the stream be ok? I think that'll make it a little more intense to play without bloating it with more notes
13:56 Evening: uhhhhhhhhh
13:56 Evening: yea i guess it kinda makes the map more intense
13:56 Parachor: actually hmm
13:56 Parachor: Then again this was supposed to be the easiest diff (except for the GD added)
13:57 Evening: pure jacks come with the problem that the player can [1234] everything anyways
13:57 Evening: i think
13:57 Parachor: It definitely gets more intense the more you move up the diffs
13:57 Evening: ok they can't bleh
13:57 Evening: was talking about in comparison to the other parts of this difficulty
13:58 Evening: it can be more physically demanding i believe
13:58 Parachor: What about adding doubles every 2/1 instead on just each guitar key change?
13:58 Evening: don't think that'd really affect much of the physical aspect, instead, reading
13:59 Evening: but yea up to you lol
13:59 Parachor: Is there even any physical aspect for a 1.99*? lmao
13:59 Evening: it's more of personal preference on how i percieve how to map a certain section
13:59 Evening: there is if you hammer everything
13:59 Evening: the player can go ham if the chords are the same combination
13:59 Parachor: I think it should be fine, this is much harder than most diffs around it's range anyway.
14:00 Evening: 03:01:816 (181816|0) -  what's this note for btw
14:00 Parachor: Woah what
14:01 Parachor: On 100% I can hear a sound there, on 25% I can't.
14:01 Parachor: My bad
14:01 Parachor: Wow it's in every diff
14:01 Evening: abrax snapped this differently also
14:01 Evening: ehhhhhhh
14:01 Parachor: lemme fix that real quick lol
14:01 Parachor: oh?
14:02 Parachor: oh he did too .-.
14:02 Evening: he snapped the last note correct i think
14:05 Parachor: http://prntscr.com/b8jxky abrax's Left, upleasant Right
14:06 Parachor: Or are those three notes now too hard to time for the easiest diff?
14:07 Evening: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
14:07 Evening: my keyboard tends to stop working woops
14:07 Evening: anyways, was thinking that since this song really dynamic in beats i think it's fine 
14:08 Parachor: cool
14:09 Parachor: just uploaded the changes
14:10 Evening: is abrax doing the changes himself or are you doing it
14:11 Parachor: me (by his permission)
14:11 Evening: ah
14:11 *Evening is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/916729 Igorrr & Ruby My Dear - Figue Folle [Abrax's Innocuous [Lv.3]]]
14:11 Evening: 00:12:509 (12509|2) - uh think this can be an LN to make it slightly varying
14:11 Evening: considering he layered everything here with singles
14:11 Parachor: I agree
14:14 Parachor: Should I add 'sv' in the tags? You'd think sv would be a common search to find sv heavy maps but idk if I'm able to do that.
14:14 Evening: not sure
14:14 Parachor: I'll leave it be then
14:14 Evening: eeh think you can (?)
14:14 Evening: if qats get mad they will just remove it, not dq the mapset
14:15 Parachor: oh okay, in that case
14:17 Evening: 02:21:763 (141763|0,142401|3,143039|0) - hmmm
14:17 Evening: maybe 2 LNs for the first 2 notes and the 3rd being a single?
14:18 Evening: with the 2nd LN extending across the 3rd note
14:18 Parachor: I like it
14:20 Parachor: done
14:22 Evening: 03:33:571 (213571|2,214210|3) -  same idea as before, change these to LNs to vary
14:22 Evening: 03:35:486 (215486|0) -  
14:22 Evening: uhh and ^that too
14:23 Parachor: Yup, done
14:24 Evening: yea that's all
14:24 Evening: bleh metadata
14:25 Evening: mmm for tags
14:25 Evening: Simon Fleury 
14:25 Evening: for vocals 
14:25 Parachor: oh okay
14:26 Evening: actually
14:26 Evening: https://www.discogs.com/Igorrr-Ruby-My-Dear-Maigre/release/6402094 i'm not sure where junon fits in here
14:26 Parachor: I should credit the french-speaking guy as well :^)
14:26 Parachor: oh, never heard of him, hmm
14:26 Evening: is junon vinau igorrr/ruby my dear (?)
14:27 Parachor: He's not Igorrr
14:27 Parachor: so I'm guessing RMD
14:27 Parachor: Because  Gautier Serre is Igorrr
14:28 Evening: well, rmd is not junon
14:28 Parachor: Simon might actually be the guy speaking french
14:28 Parachor: hmm, that's odd
14:28 Evening: waaait
14:28 Evening: actually, idk
14:28 Evening: wiki gave me R,MD not RMD
14:28 Evening: R,MD is a jazz band wew
14:29 Parachor: wew
14:29 Evening: ok yea idk
14:29 Parachor: Might be a pseudonym for someone
14:30 Parachor: Or the guy that they used the French sample from
14:30 Evening: Julien Chastagnol is RMD
14:30 Evening: maybe
14:30 Evening: idk
14:30 Evening: i guess you can add him in for w/
14:30 Evening: e
14:31 Parachor: If it's that obscure that we can't find any other info on him I don't think it matters too much lol
14:31 Parachor: But still add Simon Fleury right?
14:31 Evening: yee
14:31 Evening: otherwise it should be a o k now i need to check the hitsoundsdssdanidwebweferfu8yergbfnwrefer
14:32 Parachor: If I change the tags for one diff will it update for all of them or...?
14:32 Evening: uh
14:32 Evening: you have to do for all
14:32 Evening: :(
14:32 Parachor: alrighty
14:34 Parachor: there we go
14:37 Evening: [S] 00:17:934 (17934|2) - | 00:48:571 (48571|2) - | [S] 00:51:124 (51124|1) - | [S] 00:53:678 (53678|2) - | 02:09:156 (129156|2,129635|2,129848|2,130061|2) - | 02:32:614 (152614|3) - |
14:38 Evening: [S] denotes a section
14:38 Evening: these points are where hitsounds (generally the normal-hitnormal) are a bit too loud/earpiercing
14:38 Evening: well i looked at the hardest diff only anyways
14:38 Evening: did you just hitsound copier from that
14:38 Parachor: the other diffs are just copied hitsound-wise
14:38 Evening: ah
14:38 Evening: including the GD?
14:38 Parachor: oh shit I need to make these changes to all 6 of them
14:38 Parachor: Yeah
14:39 Evening: for [S] I think you just need to change the green lines
14:40 Parachor: yeah
14:40 Evening: should be cool after that
14:40 Parachor: Alright, shouldn't take long
14:58 Parachor: aaaaaand submitted
14:58 Evening: aaaa
14:59 Parachor: aaaa
14:59 Evening: aaaaa
14:59 Evening: i assume you changed it for all diffs
14:59 Parachor: uuuuuu
14:59 Parachor: All the diffs applicable yeah
14:59 Evening: yeee i trust you on this then

-Kamikaze- wrote:

You deserve it man

Qualified!

Garalulu wrote:

Congratz!!! :D:D

Raveille wrote:

can I kiss Parachor

Shiro-neechan wrote:

Congrats

SanadaYukimura wrote:

hmm... why there are some unsnap green line and notes in this mapset

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

First, congratulation to you but sorry for posting this:

I took a light check before but seems the problems still remaining not only one
So first, Green Timings (mostly are SV timings) are unsnapped


(Brutal [Lv.15])

I mean, some (but also maybe not, there is a little bug on showing green/red/preview timings in editor)! Please take a check to all SV changes (normal green timings too), for now, they are unsnapped
I will took a test on Brutal [Lv.15]:

1ms delayed

Grotesque [Lv.18]

2ms delayed

[Snapping]
I will take Grotesque [Lv.18] as an example
00:23:839 (23839|0,23858|1,23878|3,23898|2,23918|0,23938|1) - should be 1/8 snap only here
The snap here is not audible but the patterning used is fine for me

00:49:529 - if you heard it carefully, this part only have 1/4
that rrrr sound are just continually, that only fit with long hold, nothing more, 1/8 is not fit with them somehow I think
My suggestion: http://puu.sh/p5FyY/869cd5bad0.png
I took the trough of the bass-wub here as another note and it felt fine for me

00:57:986 (57986|3,58066|3) - no reason to keep them jack here, because there is no fit sound for both of them according with PR
I would say this is a fitting transition but i'll leave it to the mapper

01:02:135 - not sure about this, and also not 1/16 at all
I think it's 1/8 only and they began on 01:02:215 -
Bleh, went with the idea i had, the snaps here weren't that audible, if anything these could be 1/8

01:05:194 (65194|2,65220|0) - not 1/12 again, it's still 1/8
I agree

01:19:529 - this snap on here, also not 1/16, around 1/6 and 1/12, however, 1/6 is most certainly, snap based on them and on 01:19:529 -
01:19:555 - 01:19:582 - (also 1/12 also fit)
not audible, it's a snare with lots of noise to it, not sure how you're getting these snaps actually
was thinking of suggesting to extend to 01:19:648 - held it back because i *thought* it was too hard but it seems applicable at this point

01:20:007 - this part too, 1/12 of them
not sure where you're getting 1/12

01:52:082 (112082|3,112082|2,112241|2,112241|3,112401|2,112401|3) - this is small hihat, i don't know why you put double notes here
01:53:359 (113359|2,113359|3,113518|2,113518|1,113678|3,113678|1) -
01:54:635 (114635|3,114635|1,114795|3,114795|0,114954|0,114954|2) -
01:55:912 (115912|3,115912|1,116071|0,116071|1,116231|1,116231|2) -
01:57:188 (117188|3,117188|2,117348|3,117348|2,117507|2,117507|1) -
01:58:465 (118465|1,118465|2,118624|0,118624|2) -
01:58:465 (118465|2,118465|1,118624|2,118624|0,119422|0,119422|3,119582|1,119582|0,119741|3,119741|0) -
will leave this to the mapper

02:12:188 (132188|0,132188|1,132228|3,132268|2,132401|0,132401|1,132428|3,132454|2,132614|0,132614|1,132640|3,132667|2) - certainly wrong snapped, however, there are a same pitch end: and i believe they are on 1/6: http://puu.sh/p5GEz/1388cb8843.png
They aren't wrongly snapped in a way: let me break it down here

1. The mapper wanted to lower the snap here as time goes on here due to the instrument increasing in frequency here
2. The mapper wanted it to be quad-able I presume, so he left it at 4 notes for each
3. The mapper takes note of the starting point of the instrument as to make the starting at least timeable for the players


02:36:364 - add a note on here, the scream sound still continue and end here
I believe he took the "tick" sound as an indication to stop the stream

02:39:695 (159695|3) - end on 02:39:795 -
02:39:914 (159914|2) - end on 02:40:014 -
02:40:134 (160134|1) - end on 02:40:234 -
02:40:353 (160353|0) - end on 02:40:453 -
02:40:573 (160573|2) - end on 02:40:672 -
02:40:772 (160772|0) - begin on 02:40:812 - end on 02:40:912 -
02:40:991 (160991|3) - end on 02:41:091 -
02:41:211 (161211|2,161211|0) - end on 02:41:311 -
02:41:430 (161430|3,161430|1) - end on 02:41:530 -
02:41:650 (161650|3,161650|0) - end on 02:41:749 -
02:41:869 (161869|1,161869|2) - end on 02:41:969 -
This part is so hard to find out, however, i can't sure too, i just try it, besure to ask other for confirm, by the way, all my snap i gave you is on 1/16
Would argue that he purposely lengthened the LN this way for playability (ending the LN with a note beside it), but yea I'll leave this to the mapper

02:59:422 (179422|1,179442|2,179462|0,179482|3) - can't be sure about them, but my snap is on: 1/8 - http://puu.sh/p5Hpm/fed36fdf74.png (however, they're pretty fit)
Eeeeeeh not too sure about this too tbh, I let it pass since the pattern itself fits quite well to the track itself

03:01:337 (181337|1) - better let it begin on 03:01:417 -
The sound comes much earlier (but softer) than this i believe

03:11:763 - these snap should be on 1/6, and begin end like this http://puu.sh/p5Hz3/40dddcc80d.png
Think the mapper notices the 2 different sounds here and went for a bulk pattern instead of making them discretely hence the wub may seem to be mapped later than expected

03:23:837 - there are still 1/6, not 1/8
03:31:497 - still, 1/6
03:36:603 - still, 1/6
I agree actually, didn't notice this

So on, i found snapping conflict:
I will compare both Grotesque [Lv.18] and Brutal [Lv.15]

00:44:422 - left is Lv.18 and right is Lv.15
(I believe this part is 1/8 snap)



I apologies if i did mistaken here, but certainly, some snaps are weird, please check them for me
So far, it's a good map to me! Thank you and good luck

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

First, congratulation to you but sorry for posting this:

I took a light check before but seems the problems still remaining not only one
So first, Green Timings (mostly are SV timings) are unsnapped

I've talked to a whole bunch of people about this. the unsnapped green lines aren't an issue as it doesn't affect any of the SV's enough for anyone to notice without having to check the editor. 1ms/2ms makes no difference here apart from making it look slightly cleaner for anyone who decided to go into the editor and look at the green snaps. Grotesque likely has about 200 inherited timing points, so changing all of them will end up being a waste of time (adding on to the crazy amount of time I've spent on this mapset already o-o;) for something so small.
TL;DR, I've been told that the 1/2ms unsnapped green lines are fine and don't need to be changed.
Like... not even AIMod detects a problem lol. Oh, I should mention that they became randomly unsnapped in the first place because of the BPM changes added earlier in the map. Dunno why it has to unsnap everything... :c
Fixed x_x


(Brutal [Lv.15])

I mean, some (but also maybe not, there is a little bug on showing green/red/preview timings in editor)! Please take a check to all SV changes (normal green timings too), for now, they are unsnapped
I will took a test on Brutal [Lv.15]:

1ms delayed

Grotesque [Lv.18]

2ms delayed

[Snapping]
I will take Grotesque [Lv.18] as an example
00:23:839 (23839|0,23858|1,23878|3,23898|2,23918|0,23938|1) - should be 1/8 snap only here
The sound kinda does more than just 3 hits though, it buzzes, and to represent that, the snap is cut in half (however it's still easily playable as a mini jumptrill, which make it play like a 1/8 snap pattern anyway. Two in one! ). It also works in context of playing at 100% speed, where three normal notes will look and feel a little disjointed.

00:49:529 - if you heard it carefully, this part only have 1/4
that rrrr sound are just continually, that only fit with long hold, nothing more, 1/8 is not fit with them somehow I think
My suggestion: http://puu.sh/p5FyY/869cd5bad0.png
Exactly what Evening said. The dips in the wubs are represented by a note, giving it a vibrating feel.

00:57:986 (57986|3,58066|3) - no reason to keep them jack here, because there is no fit sound for both of them according with PR
While I'm keeping it as a single note for playability's sake (as adding another note would create an awkward minijack as well), the patterning has changed to avoid the jack. I quite like the pattern now actually ^^

01:02:135 - not sure about this, and also not 1/16 at all
I think it's 1/8 only and they began on 01:02:215 -
I'm not sure about this. I'll come back to it. I definitely hear 1/12 from 01:02:295 - but I'm not quite sure about before it. Also, despite being quiet, I'm pretty sure the sound starts at 01:02:135 - like it is now, it just takes a little to get to max volume.
Fixed.

01:05:194 (65194|2,65220|0) - not 1/12 again, it's still 1/8
Yep I agree. Fixed.

01:19:529 - this snap on here, also not 1/16, around 1/6 and 1/12, however, 1/6 is most certainly, snap based on them and on 01:19:529 - 01:19:555 - 01:19:582 - (also 1/12 also fit)
01:20:007 - this part too, 1/12 of them
Yeah... not sure how you're finding these snaps. It's pretty much just a buzzing snare/thing that plays extremely fast, so no snap will truly fit, so I approximated it with the quickest snap whilst also keeping it playable by positioning it like a quad. I talked to Evening about extending the first one (as it plays a little longer, essentially doubling it), but it turned out to be unfitting and incredibly strange to play because of the notes in front of it. However on a slightly related note, I reversed the double trill after this part to avoid the really really strange anchor in columns 1 and 4. Phew.

01:52:082 (112082|3,112082|2,112241|2,112241|3,112401|2,112401|3) - this is small hihat, i don't know why you put double notes here
01:53:359 (113359|2,113359|3,113518|2,113518|1,113678|3,113678|1) -
01:54:635 (114635|3,114635|1,114795|3,114795|0,114954|0,114954|2) -
01:55:912 (115912|3,115912|1,116071|0,116071|1,116231|1,116231|2) -
01:57:188 (117188|3,117188|2,117348|3,117348|2,117507|2,117507|1) -
01:58:465 (118465|1,118465|2,118624|0,118624|2) -
01:58:465 (118465|2,118465|1,118624|2,118624|0,119422|0,119422|3,119582|1,119582|0,119741|3,119741|0) -
This is simply stylistic choice. I understand that experienced players can get bored in long sections that are incredibly easy compared to the rest of the map, and this section is pretty much just 1/2 snap with some 1/4 every now and then, the equivalent of a NM difficulty or something. To make it more interesting the doubles were put in. Another reason (the main one) is to make it different/harder than the difficulty below it, which in this case is Brutal. This type of mapping occurs all throughout this mapset. Almost every pattern is harder than the diff before, and easier than the diff in front. I think this makes each difficulty a little more unique, and feels less like a carbon-copy of all the other diffs with minor changes. Also, 1 note and 2 notes, honestly not much difference. With a difficulty this hard, I'm sure players will have absolutely no trouble with this section at all, so adding the doubles is not there to inflate difficulty. It's a nice, interesting break. Hope that made sense :S

02:12:188 (132188|0,132188|1,132228|3,132268|2,132401|0,132401|1,132428|3,132454|2,132614|0,132614|1,132640|3,132667|2) - certainly wrong snapped, however, there are a same pitch end: and i believe they are on 1/6: http://puu.sh/p5GEz/1388cb8843.png
I'm pretty sure they're snapped correctly, with the exception of the third one as it extends longer, but continuing the 1/12ths would be hell to play. Evening is also pretty much spot-on with his explanation, so I won't repeat it here.

02:36:364 - add a note on here, the scream sound still continue and end here
Yeah I agree with this! I also changed the column of the LN in front of it to avoid the mini-jack formed by the new note.

02:39:695 (159695|3) - end on 02:39:795 -
02:39:914 (159914|2) - end on 02:40:014 -
02:40:134 (160134|1) - end on 02:40:234 -
02:40:353 (160353|0) - end on 02:40:453 -
02:40:573 (160573|2) - end on 02:40:672 -
02:40:772 (160772|0) - begin on 02:40:812 - end on 02:40:912 -
I'm not hearing what you're suggesting. I have a feeling it's because I've mapped the ending for when the sound is gone, not when the sound drops like what you seem to have suggested. It could honestly go either way, but I'd much rather stick to mapping the LN endings to the absence of sound for this bit. Also, some of them were extended to sit beside the notes as Evening mentioned, for playability's sake.

02:40:991 (160991|3) - end on 02:41:091 -
02:41:211 (161211|2,161211|0) - end on 02:41:311 -
02:41:430 (161430|3,161430|1) - end on 02:41:530 -
02:41:650 (161650|3,161650|0) - end on 02:41:749 -
02:41:869 (161869|1,161869|2) - end on 02:41:969 -
This part is so hard to find out, however, i can't sure too, i just try it, be sure to ask other for confirm, by the way, all my snap i gave you is on 1/16
I agree that it's hard to find out, this was one of the more annoying parts to map. This time I can see why you've chosen some of those endings, but at the moment it's pretty much mapped for consistency, just to make it a little bit easier to acc (remember that this pattern also appears in the easy difficulties!). So the length of these ones were kept the same, even though about two of them could possibly be ended a fifth of a second earlier. At this BPM, I think it would be nicer on the players to keep it as it is, as changing the length of one or two of them would make it slightly weird to read. Seriously the endings for the sound here is so incredibly vague that really anything could fit lol.

02:59:422 (179422|1,179442|2,179462|0,179482|3) - can't be sure about them, but my snap is on: 1/8 - http://puu.sh/p5Hpm/fed36fdf74.png (however, they're pretty fit)
I tried this out. It sounds kinda nice on 25% speed as it's drawn out more, but playing it on 100% speed is awkward. The pattern is designed to be played like a delayed quad from the middle outward ([23]->[14]), and extending the fourth note will definitely end in a lot of players mistiming it and ending up with a 100 from hitting it with the other notes. On 100% speed, the sound is vague, and the delayed quad does a nice job of representing the squelch sound.

03:01:337 (181337|1) - better let it begin on 03:01:417 -
The sound starts fading in at the point I set it. At the point you suggested it reaches its height. As it's a string instrument, I mapped the entirety of the sound this this case.

03:11:763 - these snap should be on 1/6, and begin end like this http://puu.sh/p5Hz3/40dddcc80d.png
It's mapped this way to coincide with the hi-hat sound. If you listen to it at 100% speed, everything sounds equidistant. Moving the final wub forwards a little completely breaks up the flow that the player relies on the successfully do the lifts to get from one LN to the other. The varying lengths represent the two types of wub as Evening pointed out.

03:23:837 - there are still 1/6, not 1/8
03:31:497 - still, 1/6
03:36:603 - still, 1/6
Oh wow, thanks for noticing this! All fixed now

So on, i found snapping conflict:
I will compare both Grotesque [Lv.18] and Brutal [Lv.15]

00:44:422 - left is Lv.18 and right is Lv.15
(I believe this part is 1/8 snap)


I asked Evening about this one. The sound that's mapped for both is incredibly vague, and essentially doesn't have a correct snap within the 1/16 or less range. If you look at each difficulty by itself, the mapping makes sense. Brutal only maps the emphasized buzzing, therefore it has the fast snap there. Grotesque decides to map the entire thing, which ends up covering the emphasized buzz shown in Brutal with its own drawn out pattern. It's possible for me to change the snap for the Grotesque pattern to exactly match, but consider what the pattern would become: a jumptrill spamfest. While the jumptrill there at the moment can easily be done with control, changing the frequency halfway through for less than a second will definitely throw players off. Evening pointed out that because of the nature of the sound, the snap difference is negligible. Luckily the ranking criteria doesn't have any rules regarding having perfect across-difficulty consistency, because in this case the difference is warranted.

I apologies if i did mistaken here, but certainly, some snaps are weird, please check them for me
So far, it's a good map to me! Thank you and good luck

-Kamikaze- wrote:

well the 1/2ms unsnap on lines isn't doing much but if you didn't fix it, you should do it now that it's dq'ed, I'll be back once it gets rebubbled I guess

Agis- wrote:

isn't overmapped on last diff ??

Stellatrix13 wrote:

\o/ CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST RANKED MAP PARA!!! \o/

It's been a long road but you did it! You've come such a long way from when this map was used as a warm-up in the 4KMWC and you decided that hey maybe this was worth a shot. Through all the struggles and rants and nagging and excitement and laughs it's been a great journey to witness. You've created an awesome, unique mapset and started to make a name for yourself in the mania mapping community already. I can't wait to see what you do next
(I'll be there to nag you again the next time you decide to go for ranked. )