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Mapset and Spread Restructure (Proposed)
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this is just plain stupid and why is someone that doesnt even map anymore taking decisions?
hilariosu
enjoy ur life ppl, think wat u doing with life, or feet.
To top it all off, this is pretty fucking hilarious:
I hope you enjoyed having your opinion heard, the many thousands of asian standard mappers out there! That's what the staff really thinks of you; they didn't even bother to invite you to their little discussion!
(edit: yes I know frosty maps, but they didn't even bother inviting a Chinese/Japanese/Taiwanese/Korean mapper; someone from one of the largest countries inside osu? Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous.)
I hope you enjoyed having your opinion heard, the many thousands of asian standard mappers out there! That's what the staff really thinks of you; they didn't even bother to invite you to their little discussion!
(edit: yes I know frosty maps, but they didn't even bother inviting a Chinese/Japanese/Taiwanese/Korean mapper; someone from one of the largest countries inside osu? Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous.)
Doesn't hurt to try something, but having further elaboration on the reasoning behind the mentioned changes would be really good to help us grasp the situation and the council's ideals.
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
i think the funiest part of this is when a BN tell you to map a new Insane to fill the gap between a GD Insane and your Hard, and after see this stupid rule coming from nowhere and is contradictory with everything peoples agrees on it.
JUST CHANGE IT ! DO IT ! YES YOU CAN !
Just listen to all the people who already complain here, and all other who will stop mapping just because of this rule who destroy everything.
JUST CHANGE IT ! DO IT ! YES YOU CAN !
Just listen to all the people who already complain here, and all other who will stop mapping just because of this rule who destroy everything.
Same tbhRumia- wrote:
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
The second rule is seems illogical as there is no set definition what difficulty includes which gameplay-elements.
Depending on the song different gameplay-elements are appropriate to reflect the song, making it impossible to judge what difficulty name a map should receive.
The only way I see is classifying the difficulties after the gameplayelements in a scheme like
So my difficulty(3,8*) may be called
124;2;-;1.8;10;10;Flowbased Sliders on high/changing SV
opposed to my second difficulty(3.6*)
1248;4;1.5;1.4;3;0;Changing Directions a lot+Streamjumps+Kicksliders
Which again, no casual player wants to read or understand.
With the current icons - which are known to not reflect difficulty properly - naming difficulties isnot easy impossible and it kind of fucks with all difficulty naming so far.
While I think that fucking with difficulty naming in standard and making it tie to gameplayelement usage is a very good idea this is FAR away from being polished and usable.
If you already do stuff while excluding the public you should try to think stuff to its end instead of making a scheme and then posting it into the forums. I'm very dissatisfied with having such a halfhearted piece of a rulescheme thrown at me.
If you are going to rewrite RC you have to consider every part of it. It doesn't make sense to write one part, toss it to the hard rules and then write the next one without really caring about context.
kudosu pls - oh wait, kudosu are stil useless...
Depending on the song different gameplay-elements are appropriate to reflect the song, making it impossible to judge what difficulty name a map should receive.
The only way I see is classifying the difficulties after the gameplayelements in a scheme like
Used snaps; Most Used Spacing(time);DS Used; SV Used;Frequency of DS Changes; Frequency of SV Changes; Main Patterns used
So my difficulty(3,8*) may be called
124;2;-;1.8;10;10;Flowbased Sliders on high/changing SV
opposed to my second difficulty(3.6*)
1248;4;1.5;1.4;3;0;Changing Directions a lot+Streamjumps+Kicksliders
Which again, no casual player wants to read or understand.
With the current icons - which are known to not reflect difficulty properly - naming difficulties is
While I think that fucking with difficulty naming in standard and making it tie to gameplayelement usage is a very good idea this is FAR away from being polished and usable.
If you already do stuff while excluding the public you should try to think stuff to its end instead of making a scheme and then posting it into the forums. I'm very dissatisfied with having such a halfhearted piece of a rulescheme thrown at me.
If you are going to rewrite RC you have to consider every part of it. It doesn't make sense to write one part, toss it to the hard rules and then write the next one without really caring about context.
kudosu pls - oh wait, kudosu are stil useless...
I'm pretty sure every single person who has ever played osu! disagrees with the new rules.
Hey guys, calm down and let's look at the positive side of this newly amended rule!!!
Are you experiencing difficulty in gathering modders on your E-N-H-I-I-I-I mapset? Exciting news!!! Enjoy your time deciding what difficulty to remove from your mapset, that you have dedicated your time towards osu! mapping!!! No your beatmap will be E-N-H-I for the community to look, and lazzzzy modders would get more interested to look your map!!!
Concerned about the restriction of having only 1 insane, while you prefer to having another insane with a different style??? Why waste your mapping ability for an insane??? Focus your full mapping abilities towards "Ultra"-classified difficulty, and make 20 kinds of various Ultra difficulties!!!
Are you experiencing difficulty in gathering modders on your E-N-H-I-I-I-I mapset? Exciting news!!! Enjoy your time deciding what difficulty to remove from your mapset, that you have dedicated your time towards osu! mapping!!! No your beatmap will be E-N-H-I for the community to look, and lazzzzy modders would get more interested to look your map!!!
Concerned about the restriction of having only 1 insane, while you prefer to having another insane with a different style??? Why waste your mapping ability for an insane??? Focus your full mapping abilities towards "Ultra"-classified difficulty, and make 20 kinds of various Ultra difficulties!!!
2016 will be great guys! I love you <3Len wrote:
calm down moe ppls
we can make 1903280192380912star diff and can get ranke now
its very interesting rule
holy shit this blew way the fuck up lmfao
in all seriousness, why? why are you attempting to restrict the amount of ranked maps by making it artificially harder to get a set / diff ranked? makes no sense to me.
also, insane or below for 1 diff approval mapsets? are you joking?
in all seriousness, why? why are you attempting to restrict the amount of ranked maps by making it artificially harder to get a set / diff ranked? makes no sense to me.
also, insane or below for 1 diff approval mapsets? are you joking?
Horrible rules are happening._underjoy wrote:
what the hell is happening here
please reconsider approval maps that are over 10 minutes, idk if 20 min marathon that is an extra needs to have a insane, it's just a pain and probably a lot of extra or higher marathons won't be made now
quick add me on skyp b4 u get 400h silence !!1 xd
I so agree with this, especially as my 23 min project is even only one song, not some kind of compilation ;_;Arphimigon wrote:
This REALLY damages mapsets which are over 10 minutes, like one I'm working on now, since making a new whole easier diff not only is extremely time consuming (considering mine is 16 mins) but the currently difficulty is all about working with the atmosphere of the original song, so it has easy and hard parts, so making an easier diff would make no sense.
I could say that for shorter approval maps having multiple diffs is more acceptable, but for way longer ones? No way.
DeletedUser_3886246
Loctav wrote:
We went through that change with these people t/420229VINXIS wrote:
Edit: was there even discussion witht he community or qats hOLY
"The aim of this project is to adjust the Ranking Criteria to the today's needs".
Might have missed it but I cant find any information about what "today's needs" is, or for what purpose the change is being made. This change should result in less maps so im guessing there is a good reason for this change?
i will date u 4 valentineRumia- wrote:
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
I honestly don't understand why we need these changes
just no
my map is NHH diff and if I do NHI the I will be overmap what should I do aaaaaaa
I hope this is just a meme
I hope this is just a meme
this is probably a huge prank gone wrong in the hood :^)
Everything I wanted to say has been said already but I mean, what were you thinking guys? Who does this benefit? I don't really mind the approval rule, but one diff per icon? As others have said, this doesn't benefit players, who now have less variety, it kills mappers and GD mappers who want to express the song their way, and if, as you said, the mapper must make a new mapset for more diffs, doesn't that create more work for the BNG and QAT? Work that is unnecessary since you could just have all the Insanes in one mapset? I don't understand, to be perfectly honest.
ok bby wats ur name we can fugRumia- wrote:
quick add me on skyp b4 u get 400h silence !!1 xd
do post as f
just dumb...
I remember when someone talked with me about some ideas of rules that we could add. They told us that we should ask to the community what they think about our ideas of rules.
AND YOU ADD THIS LIKE THAT WITHOUT LETTING THE COMMUNITY THINK ABOUT IT?
is this 1st April?
AND YOU ADD THIS LIKE THAT WITHOUT LETTING THE COMMUNITY THINK ABOUT IT?
is this 1st April?
yea
i've never seen before
forum is burning
thx for xxxxx and xxxxxx
you make it
To be honest, I wrote an entire essay and the osu website froze up when I tried to reply so I'll just keep this short. I probably should have saved a draft.
Removing the ability to create multiple insane difficulties and stating you want to add variety is the most stupid thing I've ever heard. I want to play multiple insane difficulties on a map I like, especially as the start difficulty raises. People would have to add variety this way by mapping the same song over, and over again.
I was going to finally upload a map I was actually going to try to rank, and I have no reason to now. It has multiple of the same difficulties, so what's the point? I have to remove my hard work? Thanks.
I would go into more detail. Afraid to lose all my wording again.
Removing the ability to create multiple insane difficulties and stating you want to add variety is the most stupid thing I've ever heard. I want to play multiple insane difficulties on a map I like, especially as the start difficulty raises. People would have to add variety this way by mapping the same song over, and over again.
I was going to finally upload a map I was actually going to try to rank, and I have no reason to now. It has multiple of the same difficulties, so what's the point? I have to remove my hard work? Thanks.
I would go into more detail. Afraid to lose all my wording again.
appleeaterx wrote:
It's really heartwarming that almost the whole community can finally agree with something for the first time; this new rule is bullshit!
I still can't believe this
the answer is simple. stop thinking and say no.
listen to this person!ZTH wrote:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
also, apparently many people would like to eat ice cream right now. I should open an ice cream factory.
Isn't it a bit early for April fool?
yo Rumi sex me tbhRumia- wrote:
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
Ayy lmaoFlamie Spidlow wrote:
i've never seen before
forum is burning
thx for xxxxx and xxxxxx
you make it
Chewin wrote:
Isn't it a bit early for April fool?
Konomi_old_1
lets make that a 3way-Kamikaze- wrote:
yo Rumi sex me tbhRumia- wrote:
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
you know something's fucked up when 2 pages of comments appear every minute
One thing I'm confused about is that insanes are restricted to one per set. So why has light insanes now been totally forgotten? They exist, they're like entry levels to insanes between hard and what a stereotypical insane feels like.
The most unenjoyable mapsets come from sets which jump from Hard -> very hard insane and nothing inbetween the two, a lot of players play a lot of the light insanes and middle ground insanes on mapsets before even considering the extras.
Also, does my star icon which I got from Irre on my Sigma set t/248186 void it from this new ruleset? It's such an old set now and I don't see the problem with me trying to get diffs which fill in gaps. What I don't understand is that this set is now unrankable yet each diff is easier/harder than the other, so the spread is going to be more immaculate than new sets, also I'll be sad to remove diffs.
I appreciate the idea behind this new ruleset, the problem is, why did you implement it before discussing it on the forums? It's inherently going to have issues like you missing out easy hards and very hards, light insanes and insanes. Who decides what's an extra and what's not, it's clear what insanes are.
An example of entry level light insane would be - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/654453&m=0 Without this diff, the mapset would be inaccessible to a lot of players, and Aiceo's diff is far from an Extra.
The most unenjoyable mapsets come from sets which jump from Hard -> very hard insane and nothing inbetween the two, a lot of players play a lot of the light insanes and middle ground insanes on mapsets before even considering the extras.
Also, does my star icon which I got from Irre on my Sigma set t/248186 void it from this new ruleset? It's such an old set now and I don't see the problem with me trying to get diffs which fill in gaps. What I don't understand is that this set is now unrankable yet each diff is easier/harder than the other, so the spread is going to be more immaculate than new sets, also I'll be sad to remove diffs.
I appreciate the idea behind this new ruleset, the problem is, why did you implement it before discussing it on the forums? It's inherently going to have issues like you missing out easy hards and very hards, light insanes and insanes. Who decides what's an extra and what's not, it's clear what insanes are.
An example of entry level light insane would be - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/654453&m=0 Without this diff, the mapset would be inaccessible to a lot of players, and Aiceo's diff is far from an Extra.
If only dude, we all hope it is ^^'Zerss wrote:
I remember when someone talked with me about some ideas of rules that we could add. They told us that we should ask to the community what they think about our ideas of rules.
AND YOU ADD THIS LIKE THAT WITHOUT LETTING THE COMMUNITY THINK ABOUT IT?
is this 1st April?
meme in valentine day, or this stuff make ppl for pathetic. or blaRaediaufar wrote:
my map is NHH diff and if I do NHI the I will be overmap what should I do aaaaaaa
I hope this is just a meme
Shohei Ohtani
Shout-out to everyone suddenly being an activist and talking about poor staff communication skills when i literally talk about it all the time but people are like "lmao shut up Reditum"
Like im just going to go ahead and link the post I made where, when promoting activism and involvement in the development of an effective modding system, to where I was told "hahah just wait patiently for what master feeds us instead of sharing your opinion and expressing concerns", and nobody reallt seemed to disagree except for me and a few others, but now everyone is vehemently acting as if theyve been in support of activism for as long as theyve been alive: p/4797100
Mini-rant aside, While it would have been nice to have had this announced a little bit before being put into place, i think theres some benefits to this.
I think for this to be effective, there needs to be an acknowledgement of a more diverse spread of difficulty in terms of insanes. Because i agree that having like 2 hards is fucking retarded, but there are instances when 2 insanes act as logical stepping stones to difficulty, and i think they should be defined by two different difficulty names rather than excluded.
I entirely dont agree with the approval category rules. While it doest affect me much as i tend not to reach past insane difficulty in my maps, there is a lot of validity of having 5 minute intense-only mapsets. Especially seeing as i come from a time where you could get ANYTHING approved, it makes no sense to limit things.
Im curious to see how this turns out. I think that this actually tackles a lot of issues that have been "taboo" to discuss (aka. Cramming maps with difficulties, spread issues, etc), but id hope that it could be a dynamic system, and that we would someday receive either changes to rules that the majority of the community seem to disagree with, or there are explanations as why this seems to be the beat course of action.
Like im just going to go ahead and link the post I made where, when promoting activism and involvement in the development of an effective modding system, to where I was told "hahah just wait patiently for what master feeds us instead of sharing your opinion and expressing concerns", and nobody reallt seemed to disagree except for me and a few others, but now everyone is vehemently acting as if theyve been in support of activism for as long as theyve been alive: p/4797100
Mini-rant aside, While it would have been nice to have had this announced a little bit before being put into place, i think theres some benefits to this.
I think for this to be effective, there needs to be an acknowledgement of a more diverse spread of difficulty in terms of insanes. Because i agree that having like 2 hards is fucking retarded, but there are instances when 2 insanes act as logical stepping stones to difficulty, and i think they should be defined by two different difficulty names rather than excluded.
I entirely dont agree with the approval category rules. While it doest affect me much as i tend not to reach past insane difficulty in my maps, there is a lot of validity of having 5 minute intense-only mapsets. Especially seeing as i come from a time where you could get ANYTHING approved, it makes no sense to limit things.
Im curious to see how this turns out. I think that this actually tackles a lot of issues that have been "taboo" to discuss (aka. Cramming maps with difficulties, spread issues, etc), but id hope that it could be a dynamic system, and that we would someday receive either changes to rules that the majority of the community seem to disagree with, or there are explanations as why this seems to be the beat course of action.
@nikamirulhamzah looo thxCptBlackBird wrote:
ok bby wats ur name we can fugRumia- wrote:
quick add me on skyp b4 u get 400h silence !!1 xd
so accurateBroccoly wrote:
you know something's fucked up when 2 pages of comments appear every minute
Someone make a petition to remove these rules.
Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
Maybe this whole thing is a Valentine Fool since April Fool is not here.
hi<3Rumia- wrote:
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
How many pages will we reach before they revert the rule?Broccoly wrote:
you know something's fucked up when 2 pages of comments appear every minute
My money's on 50!
150UndeadCapulet wrote:
How many pages will we reach before they revert the rule?Broccoly wrote:
you know something's fucked up when 2 pages of comments appear every minute
My money's on 50!
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD this forum will be shrine soonCirno-baka9 wrote:
Ayy lmaoFlamie Spidlow wrote:
i've never seen before
forum is burning
thx for xxxxx and xxxxxx
you make it
AMEN!
LETS DO THIS RUMIA
DeletedUser_3886246
silmarilen wrote:
lol, i think you mixed up valentine's day and april fools.
Is Valentine the new April's fool?
Pls yesG3m4sSt4ffLP wrote:
Yes plsCirno-baka9 wrote:
Someone make a petition to remove these rules.
Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738/rCirno-baka9 wrote:
Someone make a petition to remove these rules.
Will get 325,000 signatures in a minute.
At least osu's april fools joke last year was well liked xd
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LOL THIS GAME IS A JOKE
I like this rule.
Said 0% of mappers ever.
Said 0% of mappers ever.
So
you're limiting mappers with this new rule devised from a council of which, most don't map.
How about, no
you're limiting mappers with this new rule devised from a council of which, most don't map.
How about, no
Dear OSU!(RIP),
I have seen maps without sensible patterning getting mapped and this makes map are get more cancerous, but this rule becomes very vague as difficulty is decided subjectively thus evermore injecting diseases into the ranked map pool. Also this might potentially affect players in both the mapping community and playing community. For example, what will happen to Dragonforce maps?? I strongly believe OSU! staff has to listen to our opinions as our community is built up together and we all have the right to have our opinions voiced out and heard. Furthermore what is the purpose of making this rule, it won't solve or balance anything!
Btw, SUPERCALIFRAGALISTICEXPIALIDOCIOUS STAR LEVEL MAPS ARE GONNA GET RANKED! PEPPI GET DOWN FROM UR JET AND FIX THIS! :V
REGARDZ,
UR MUM.
I have seen maps without sensible patterning getting mapped and this makes map are get more cancerous, but this rule becomes very vague as difficulty is decided subjectively thus evermore injecting diseases into the ranked map pool. Also this might potentially affect players in both the mapping community and playing community. For example, what will happen to Dragonforce maps?? I strongly believe OSU! staff has to listen to our opinions as our community is built up together and we all have the right to have our opinions voiced out and heard. Furthermore what is the purpose of making this rule, it won't solve or balance anything!
Btw, SUPERCALIFRAGALISTICEXPIALIDOCIOUS STAR LEVEL MAPS ARE GONNA GET RANKED! PEPPI GET DOWN FROM UR JET AND FIX THIS! :V
REGARDZ,
UR MUM.
HEY GUYS LET'S MAKE AN EASY DIFF AND THEN A 9* DIFF BECAUSE NOW IT'S RANKABLE
Best staff ever, who cares a lot about the community and stuff
dumb.
dumb.
worst fl player
ice cream > new mapping criteria
does this really need any more explanation?
to be honest, for me, its very good stuff
lets make 7293431123461356031star and give rsi to players wow
lets make 7293431123461356031star and give rsi to players wow
DeletedUser_3886246
how could you possibly trust this community with joke poll optionsKencho wrote:
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Whoever made the fancy pictures, congratulations on using white font on white background.
i think xxxxx and xxxxx saw CODE GEASS before
WE ARE THE WORLD
MAKE US WHOLE
WE ARE THE WORLD
MAKE US WHOLE
I can only hope that this rule does not go through. I am not a mapper, so I'm not going to act like the implementation of this rule affects me, but after the extreme backlash from the community it would show extreme disrespect towards the community if the staff were to continue with this.
Also please fix your graphic design. White text on a white background, seriously?
Also please fix your graphic design. White text on a white background, seriously?
Mekki
Ayako wrote:
is this when strawpoll comes in handy? or is it too hard to make one
worst fl player
The changes are unfun for both players and mappers, I'm not sure how they got proposed as it is really obvious by just looking at the most played beatmaps, most of which do not fit under new rules.
thisWojowu wrote:
Whoever made the fancy pictures, congratulations on using white font on white background.
I made a petition for fun, but should i really post it, lol