I 100% believe that a lot of mappers won't map anymore if this rules are already finalized
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I've made a mapset with a fucking ton of difficulties and I finished it yesterday. Now I've got to delete all my hard work? Fuck it.
also, in before this thread is inevitably locked to shut the community up ..~
(Sry if your post was ironic)
i completely disagree with this
"The aim of this project is to adjust the Ranking Criteria to the today's needs".
Might have missed it but I cant find any information about what "today's needs" is, or for what purpose the change is being made. This change should result in less maps so im guessing there is a good reason for this change?
I honestly don't understand why we need these changes
just no
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WutFace DansGame
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
This.Idealism wrote:
WutFace DansGame
Really now? This is going to kill at least half of the current mapsets from having a chance of being ranked. Come on now...
I've made a mapset with a fucking ton of difficulties and I finished it yesterday. Now I've got to delete all my hard work? Fuck it.
E m i
and what about the mappers who exist out there that love a song so much they map tons of difficulties for it all on their own? rip to them too.Shiguri wrote:
rip lazy mappers
DeletedUser_2304476
So there can only be one 'ultra' difficulty? Does that mean that map sets like this will no longer be allowed?ztrot wrote:
You can add one Ultra difficulty past an Expert difficulty that does not have to increase linearly in difficulty with the rest of the spread. Keep in mind, that Ultra is a placeholder term, used to reflect a high end difficulty that has not been specified with a name yet. We put that name in place, so you guys know what we are talking about when we want to refer to the high end difficulties of a mapset.
Just why?ztrot wrote:
Secondly, we limited the amount of difficulties of the same level per game mode. Every mapset is limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode. While this appears very limiting at the beginning, the hybrid set rules stay intact. Don't forget that every keycount in osu!mania is considered as individual game mode, too! If you wish to get your mapsets with multiple difficulties of the same level ranked, we advise you to split it off into a new mapset.
well this is fucking retarded
the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
osu file format v15 are upon us
Who came up with this idea in the first place?
Tho I do agree with allowing one or more "ultra" diffs, but not the linear spread.
Tho I do agree with allowing one or more "ultra" diffs, but not the linear spread.
no plsAnxient wrote:
the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
UR MUM! Hewl noh, Rito pls fix ResidentSleeper
??Anxient wrote:
the days of
osu file format v15 are upon us
also, in before this thread is inevitably locked to shut the community up ..~
this thread shows the demand gap between staffs and community is quite huge
0 qf map day will soon
0 qf map day will soon
lol, i think you mixed up valentine's day and april fools.
Clearly with every single osu! player ever stating their disapproval, this is stupid.
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.mintong89 wrote:
This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
As if it wasnt hard enough to rank maps in this day and age.
Rip quality mapping.
Absolutely disgusting.
Rip quality mapping.
Absolutely disgusting.
rip osu
worst idea ever
worst idea ever
HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This sounds purely useless. You're restricting the amount of difficulties for the sake of it.
Len wrote:
HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
these rules make light insanes and hard+ extinctCome[Back]Home wrote:
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.mintong89 wrote:
This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
I swear, if this isn't a troll, RIP osu!.
Really hoping this is.
Community poll anyone?
Really hoping this is.
Community poll anyone?
[MJGHD] wrote:
This sounds purely useless. You're restricting the amount of difficulties for the sake of it.
This is a very interesting idea!
You don't get it lol you just can't have a Hard+ with a Hard because they're both Hard.Come[Back]Home wrote:
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.mintong89 wrote:
This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
(Sry if your post was ironic)
Mum? qqL-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:
GIDZ - UR MUM
IM DYINGLen wrote:
HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is unnecessary. >.>
no sense
also, http://www.strawpoll.me/6805738Ascendance wrote:
Spy wrote:
lmfao
This is terrible if difficulty spreads are required for Taiko/CtB/mania mapsets that have no easier diffs including marathons and compilations.
Looks like the future Taiko maps that I worked on will never materialize as single diff mapsets.
Looks like the future Taiko maps that I worked on will never materialize as single diff mapsets.
Hot topic here
For rules regarding approvals, I don't really mind since it means there's more people playing the mapset.
For rules regarding one diff one map, I don't find any problem on it since I already applying this for a long time. But what'd I say is that pattern's difficulty are pretty subjective. I stumbled across many mappers that considers hard to execute patterns as normal patterns. Aren't that means Mapper A's Hard is considered as hard as Mapper B's Normal?
And,
For rules regarding approvals, I don't really mind since it means there's more people playing the mapset.
For rules regarding one diff one map, I don't find any problem on it since I already applying this for a long time. But what'd I say is that pattern's difficulty are pretty subjective. I stumbled across many mappers that considers hard to execute patterns as normal patterns. Aren't that means Mapper A's Hard is considered as hard as Mapper B's Normal?
And,
If you wish to get your mapsets with multiple difficulties of the same level ranked, we advise you to split it off into a new mapset.Are you telling mappers to rank an exactly same song twice or more if he got many styles to express?
LMAOLen wrote:
HEY MOM!!!!!!!! IM MAKING 129073109237901232130971630912739021STAR DIFF NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
WITH 1*EASY 2*NORMAL 3*HARD 4*INSANE 5*EXTRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Side wrote:
PLz n0 k1ll m4pp3r sp1r17
I can't agree on the 1diff per IconRizia wrote:
rip osu
worst idea ever
Light Insanes and Hard+ are not allowed due to the new ruleCome[Back]Home wrote:
Well, there are still Light Insanes, Hard+ etc. shouldnt be a problem.mintong89 wrote:
This is ridiculous then how we can balance the gap the hard is too hard or something like that? make more easier? that is not a solution
ye the rc has already changed, very wonderful idea staffs, and i hope the game would be much better and better in the future!
- First rule seems stupid. However, since I still am not sure if I've understood correctly I wont comment more about it. (Are these gaps star rating?)
- The second rule is ridiculous, please reconsider. Doing that not only will annoy most(all) players but it will also greatly hurt mapping. We're going to end up having our favorite song with a diff we dislike as an Insane/Extra diff (I do have many mapsets with multiple maps on Insane/Extra but I usually like only one or two of those difficulties). Also players that can play light insanes wont be able to find maps nearly that easily. (Since many light insanes are accompanied by higher star insanes -which are very popular-).
Applying this rule will only increase the amount of mapsets!!! Can you imagine how annoying it will be having to search through 50 maps of the same song just to find the one you like? Because if someone can't make a second guest insane diff on a mapset he'll just do it on another mapset. The result will be tens of mapsets ready for approval. - I'm fine with the 3rd rule.
This is absolute nonsense who came up with this
i need hook up for valentino
this change is so genius you've created possibly the largest shitstorm over a change and have absolutely no one from your special little group to come up with a remark to please your distressed community. great fuckin work mateys. really outdone yourselves this time.
Okay then, I'm out of the beatmapping community.
Goodbye.
FOREVER
Goodbye.
FOREVER
Was this even brought up with anybody higher up in the community?
Even the QAT's and BN's heck the GLM don't like this change.
Even the QAT's and BN's heck the GLM don't like this change.
15 pages of people disagreeing and they still haven't changed...
I recon this as a good idea. Obviously ranking routine will be greatly simplified because nominator team never need to judge the gap between Extra to OMFGITSSKYSTAR when they are in doubt or incapable to play the difficulty. Plus mappers will have to decide which difficulty to keep, a better GD or a just-so own made diff. This will greatly increase the overall quality of qualified maps. If players want to play other mappers' difficulties, they could choose to play unrank maps, like what currently Taiko mode players do.
In other aspect, people must stay clear that it is unfair to stick their difficulties to anither mapset just because the songs name the same. It is their obligations to seek mods and ask for qualifications with their own efforts.
Everyone does know that it is unlikely to retract a newly addressed rule like slapping oneself. Thus, why shan't we enjoy it and push forward?
In other aspect, people must stay clear that it is unfair to stick their difficulties to anither mapset just because the songs name the same. It is their obligations to seek mods and ask for qualifications with their own efforts.
Everyone does know that it is unlikely to retract a newly addressed rule like slapping oneself. Thus, why shan't we enjoy it and push forward?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wldE_4xjVQantondan wrote:
I really wish this is just a prank....
- First rule seems stupid. However, since I still am not sure if I've understood correctly I wont comment more about it. (Are these gaps star rating?)
- The second rule is ridiculous, please reconsider. Doing that not only will annoy most(all) players but it will also greatly hurt mapping. We're going to end up having our favorite song with a diff we dislike as an Insane/Extra diff (I do have many mapsets with multiple maps on Insane/Extra but I usually like only one or two of those difficulties). Also players that can play light insanes wont be able to find maps nearly that easily. (Since many light insanes are accompanied by higher star insanes -which are very popular-).
Applying this rule will only increase the amount of mapsets!!! Can you imagine how annoying it will be having to search through 50 maps of the same song just to find the one you like? Because if someone can't make a second guest insane diff on a mapset he'll just do it on another mapset. The result will be tens of mapsets ready for approval.- I'm fine with the 3rd rule.
Why did you do this?
In no way does this help the ranking system.
Beginners have enough maps to play, since every mapset already has easy's.
Why would they need 5min+ maps too?
We need more 6* maps, not more 3* maps.
In no way does this help the ranking system.
Beginners have enough maps to play, since every mapset already has easy's.
Why would they need 5min+ maps too?
We need more 6* maps, not more 3* maps.
i completely disagree with this
Secondly, we limited the amount of difficulties of the same level per game mode. Every mapset is limited to one of each difficulty level per game mode.why this seems stupid and pointless
I just realized something, if somebody makes a full spread for centipede, it can get ranked? cuz the gap doesn't matter between extra and ultra :^))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
As a player, my personal satisfaction comes from playing different diffs from a skillset,because even with the same star rating, two extras can have significant difference in play, which i feel should not dissappear from a set.
I see the spread lately between easy and ultra hard maps, but I feel like mapping easier songs has a lack of options to choose from, which is why we see more harder maps maybe?
As for my opinion, I want to appriciate every style of extra difficulties mapped by various talented mappers.
I see the spread lately between easy and ultra hard maps, but I feel like mapping easier songs has a lack of options to choose from, which is why we see more harder maps maybe?
As for my opinion, I want to appriciate every style of extra difficulties mapped by various talented mappers.
Why would you REDUCE the amount of difficulties you can map? That is just going to make it harder for new players like myself to climb the difficulty ladder.
This change makes no sense.
This change makes no sense.
This.CptBlackBird wrote:
I just realized something, if somebody makes a full spread for centipede, it can get ranked? cuz the gap doesn't matter between extra and ultra :^))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I'm hoping that these rules get rescinded, not even sure why they need to be introduced to begin with. This "goal" has already been accomplished and the professionals have been catered to more in the last year than ever before. Also, what do you mean our goals? Nobody outside of your little council wants this.ztrot wrote:
Hello everyone, ztrot here with some exciting new news!
From today on, there will be a new format in which mapping beatmap sets will work. This falls in line with our goals to make as many of the maps here at osu accessible to all players of many skill types! This new rule might seem scary at first but, fear not as we don't want to forget our professional osu! players either!
woo wow wow what a fast response post
rip most GDs :c
should this thread moved to ranking criteria subforum so this can be discussed there?
don't forget to board some pants to leave a trace :v
don't take mah stale popcorn :v
rip most GDs :c
should this thread moved to ranking criteria subforum so this can be discussed there?
don't forget to board some pants to leave a trace :v
don't take mah stale popcorn :v
Someone help me!!!
I can only facepalm at the staff so much!
I can only facepalm at the staff so much!
Averaging at nearly 1 post every 30 seconds it's incredible.Cirno-baka9 wrote:
15 pages of people disagreeing and they still haven't changed...
This REALLY damages mapsets which are over 10 minutes, like one I'm working on now, since making a new whole easier diff not only is extremely time consuming (considering mine is 16 mins) but the currently difficulty is all about working with the atmosphere of the original song, so it has easy and hard parts, so making an easier diff would make no sense.
I could say that for shorter approval maps having multiple diffs is more acceptable, but for way longer ones? No way.
I could say that for shorter approval maps having multiple diffs is more acceptable, but for way longer ones? No way.
OK, this looks fine.
Bubbled.
ztrot wrote:
Hello everyone, ztrot here with some retarded new bullshit!
this is just plain stupid and why is someone that doesnt even map anymore taking decisions?
hilariosu
enjoy ur life ppl, think wat u doing with life, or feet.
To top it all off, this is pretty fucking hilarious:
I hope you enjoyed having your opinion heard, the many thousands of asian standard mappers out there! That's what the staff really thinks of you; they didn't even bother to invite you to their little discussion!
(edit: yes I know frosty maps, but they didn't even bother inviting a Chinese/Japanese/Taiwanese/Korean mapper; someone from one of the largest countries inside osu? Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous.)
I hope you enjoyed having your opinion heard, the many thousands of asian standard mappers out there! That's what the staff really thinks of you; they didn't even bother to invite you to their little discussion!
(edit: yes I know frosty maps, but they didn't even bother inviting a Chinese/Japanese/Taiwanese/Korean mapper; someone from one of the largest countries inside osu? Come on, that's absolutely ridiculous.)
Doesn't hurt to try something, but having further elaboration on the reasoning behind the mentioned changes would be really good to help us grasp the situation and the council's ideals.
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
i think the funiest part of this is when a BN tell you to map a new Insane to fill the gap between a GD Insane and your Hard, and after see this stupid rule coming from nowhere and is contradictory with everything peoples agrees on it.
JUST CHANGE IT ! DO IT ! YES YOU CAN !
Just listen to all the people who already complain here, and all other who will stop mapping just because of this rule who destroy everything.
JUST CHANGE IT ! DO IT ! YES YOU CAN !
Just listen to all the people who already complain here, and all other who will stop mapping just because of this rule who destroy everything.
Same tbhRumia- wrote:
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
The second rule is seems illogical as there is no set definition what difficulty includes which gameplay-elements.
Depending on the song different gameplay-elements are appropriate to reflect the song, making it impossible to judge what difficulty name a map should receive.
The only way I see is classifying the difficulties after the gameplayelements in a scheme like
So my difficulty(3,8*) may be called
124;2;-;1.8;10;10;Flowbased Sliders on high/changing SV
opposed to my second difficulty(3.6*)
1248;4;1.5;1.4;3;0;Changing Directions a lot+Streamjumps+Kicksliders
Which again, no casual player wants to read or understand.
With the current icons - which are known to not reflect difficulty properly - naming difficulties isnot easy impossible and it kind of fucks with all difficulty naming so far.
While I think that fucking with difficulty naming in standard and making it tie to gameplayelement usage is a very good idea this is FAR away from being polished and usable.
If you already do stuff while excluding the public you should try to think stuff to its end instead of making a scheme and then posting it into the forums. I'm very dissatisfied with having such a halfhearted piece of a rulescheme thrown at me.
If you are going to rewrite RC you have to consider every part of it. It doesn't make sense to write one part, toss it to the hard rules and then write the next one without really caring about context.
kudosu pls - oh wait, kudosu are stil useless...
Depending on the song different gameplay-elements are appropriate to reflect the song, making it impossible to judge what difficulty name a map should receive.
The only way I see is classifying the difficulties after the gameplayelements in a scheme like
Used snaps; Most Used Spacing(time);DS Used; SV Used;Frequency of DS Changes; Frequency of SV Changes; Main Patterns used
So my difficulty(3,8*) may be called
124;2;-;1.8;10;10;Flowbased Sliders on high/changing SV
opposed to my second difficulty(3.6*)
1248;4;1.5;1.4;3;0;Changing Directions a lot+Streamjumps+Kicksliders
Which again, no casual player wants to read or understand.
With the current icons - which are known to not reflect difficulty properly - naming difficulties is
While I think that fucking with difficulty naming in standard and making it tie to gameplayelement usage is a very good idea this is FAR away from being polished and usable.
If you already do stuff while excluding the public you should try to think stuff to its end instead of making a scheme and then posting it into the forums. I'm very dissatisfied with having such a halfhearted piece of a rulescheme thrown at me.
If you are going to rewrite RC you have to consider every part of it. It doesn't make sense to write one part, toss it to the hard rules and then write the next one without really caring about context.
kudosu pls - oh wait, kudosu are stil useless...
I'm pretty sure every single person who has ever played osu! disagrees with the new rules.
Hey guys, calm down and let's look at the positive side of this newly amended rule!!!
Are you experiencing difficulty in gathering modders on your E-N-H-I-I-I-I mapset? Exciting news!!! Enjoy your time deciding what difficulty to remove from your mapset, that you have dedicated your time towards osu! mapping!!! No your beatmap will be E-N-H-I for the community to look, and lazzzzy modders would get more interested to look your map!!!
Concerned about the restriction of having only 1 insane, while you prefer to having another insane with a different style??? Why waste your mapping ability for an insane??? Focus your full mapping abilities towards "Ultra"-classified difficulty, and make 20 kinds of various Ultra difficulties!!!
Are you experiencing difficulty in gathering modders on your E-N-H-I-I-I-I mapset? Exciting news!!! Enjoy your time deciding what difficulty to remove from your mapset, that you have dedicated your time towards osu! mapping!!! No your beatmap will be E-N-H-I for the community to look, and lazzzzy modders would get more interested to look your map!!!
Concerned about the restriction of having only 1 insane, while you prefer to having another insane with a different style??? Why waste your mapping ability for an insane??? Focus your full mapping abilities towards "Ultra"-classified difficulty, and make 20 kinds of various Ultra difficulties!!!
2016 will be great guys! I love you <3Len wrote:
calm down moe ppls
we can make 1903280192380912star diff and can get ranke now
its very interesting rule
holy shit this blew way the fuck up lmfao
in all seriousness, why? why are you attempting to restrict the amount of ranked maps by making it artificially harder to get a set / diff ranked? makes no sense to me.
also, insane or below for 1 diff approval mapsets? are you joking?
in all seriousness, why? why are you attempting to restrict the amount of ranked maps by making it artificially harder to get a set / diff ranked? makes no sense to me.
also, insane or below for 1 diff approval mapsets? are you joking?
Horrible rules are happening._underjoy wrote:
what the hell is happening here
please reconsider approval maps that are over 10 minutes, idk if 20 min marathon that is an extra needs to have a insane, it's just a pain and probably a lot of extra or higher marathons won't be made now
quick add me on skyp b4 u get 400h silence !!1 xd
I so agree with this, especially as my 23 min project is even only one song, not some kind of compilation ;_;Arphimigon wrote:
This REALLY damages mapsets which are over 10 minutes, like one I'm working on now, since making a new whole easier diff not only is extremely time consuming (considering mine is 16 mins) but the currently difficulty is all about working with the atmosphere of the original song, so it has easy and hard parts, so making an easier diff would make no sense.
I could say that for shorter approval maps having multiple diffs is more acceptable, but for way longer ones? No way.
DeletedUser_3886246
Loctav wrote:
We went through that change with these people t/420229VINXIS wrote:
Edit: was there even discussion witht he community or qats hOLY
"The aim of this project is to adjust the Ranking Criteria to the today's needs".
Might have missed it but I cant find any information about what "today's needs" is, or for what purpose the change is being made. This change should result in less maps so im guessing there is a good reason for this change?
i will date u 4 valentineRumia- wrote:
you guys instead of let your emotions controls you , better date me for valentine dude , its been 47 mins and i dont have gf sad
I honestly don't understand why we need these changes
just no
my map is NHH diff and if I do NHI the I will be overmap what should I do aaaaaaa
I hope this is just a meme
I hope this is just a meme